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Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by IbrahimDamola: 7:07am On Oct 10, 2018
Everyone here have noticed a recent trend- Apc supporters (including their poorly paid beasts of burden known popularly as 'Buhari media center (BMC) zombies' from SW are asking PDP a party they've laboured so hard to destroy for past 4 years to gift the SW zone the VP ticket even though they know SW are unreliable and won't give block votes to PDP, no matter the circumstance.

Do they suddenly 'mean well' for PDP or are they trying to goad PDP to mock the East and destroy itself? Let's discuss grin

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by IbrahimDamola: 7:13am On Oct 10, 2018
Cc buterflyle0, passingshot, deomelo, madridguy, kyase, omenka, midolian, ,

Abeg Immhotep call the other APC and BMC emerituses. grin

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by slivertongue: 7:14am On Oct 10, 2018
they are driven by hypocrisy & greed. they also lack any sense of dignity

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by Yomboy4ever(m): 7:16am On Oct 10, 2018
Cos no candidate has won a presidential election without the support of the Yoruba. Proof me. Wrong but unfortunately they just want to help you guyz get somthing better ni. No vacancy in aso rock

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by devindevin2000: 7:18am On Oct 10, 2018
The reason will shock you...ATIKU WILL PICK IGBO VP. That's a NO NO for Yoruba. Tomorrow they will tell you, Southerners lets unite, Southerners lets be one, Southerners lets for a coalition, but they are the first to always stab a fellow Southerner in the back like they stabbed GEJ only because he surrounded himself with Igbos and saw video of PEJ speaking Igbo. That video of PEJ speaking Igbo was the last straw, because they thought she was a "SS" with no affiliation to Igbos as they foolishly always think of SS people, LOL. From that day, she became their enemy number one. Why did you think they starting hating that woman for no reason? Even Diezani, why do you think they hate her? Because she has affiliation to Igbo. You think they will hate Deizani if her name was Aisha or Adeosun? Hypocrites! An afonja wrote here in 2015 he would rather suffer under Buhari than to see GEJ surrounded by Igbos even if the economy is doing well. I'll never forget that post!

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by kotv: 7:18am On Oct 10, 2018
IbrahimDamola:
Everyone here have noticed a recent trend- Apc supporters (including their poorly paid beasts of burden among known popularly as 'Buhari media center (BMC) zombies' from SW are asking PDP a party they've laboured so hard to destroy for past 4 years to gift the SW zone the VP ticket even though they know SW are unreliable and won't give block votes to PDP, no matter the circumstance.

Do they suddenly 'mean well' for PDP or are they trying to goad PDP to mock the East and destroy itself? Let's discuss grin

I don't know why some of you keep asking the same question over and over again. It is not that difficult to figure out. The answer is very simple

They trying to make him lose that's why. Since when do an opposition start instructing their opponent how to win an election. If he picks VP from SW, they weaken his stronghold and that lifeless defeats him easily. If he does not, they have to work extra hard to rig him in because Buhari will get a fight of his life. They know APC/Buhari is hated severally in three areas, NC, SE and SS. All three combine knocks out SW votes. Even within the SW votes, the three equally have a significant number of their people contributing to the voting number there plus there are some yorubas who do not support Buhari so there's no guarantee block votes for Buhari over there but there is a guarantee block vote for Atiku in SS and SE but, if chooses a SW VP, that block vote is gone for Atiku. Atiku although not severally liked either but is seen more accepted by all than Buhari. They pretty much trying to knock him off his game but unlike the lifeless one, Atiku is actually semi-educated so I doubt he'll fall for it.

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by Nobody: 7:18am On Oct 10, 2018
IbrahimDamola:
Cc buterflyle0, passingshot, deomelo, madridguy, kyase, omenka, midolian, ,

Abeg Immhotep call the other APC and BMC emerituses. grin
grin grin grin

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by IbrahimDamola: 7:19am On Oct 10, 2018
Yomboy4ever:



Cos no candidate has won a presidential election without the support of the Yoruba. Proof me. Wrong

Shagari did. Read your history grin

Even OBJ a yoruba man did. yorubas voted Olu falae in 1999. Check your history boy you are talking to a veteran. grin

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by kotv: 7:20am On Oct 10, 2018
Yomboy4ever:



Cos no candidate has won a presidential election without the support of the Yoruba. Proof me. Wrong but unfortunately they just want to help you guyz get somthing better ni. No vacancy in aso rock

Obasanjo won first time without yoruba supporting him

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by RevenGeMission: 7:21am On Oct 10, 2018
Sensible people won't reason like this

Not all Yoruba hates PDP , and definitely not all Yoruba loves APC , You vote who you want based on your belief , we are not follow follow people , we make decisions after weighing our options

Now to answer the stupid question, it's about keeping Yoruba in power , Political Permutation, already we have people capable of being presidents , let's start with Fashola , Ambode , Osibanjo , even Jagaban(But i doubt he's interested) and the young Vibrant youth Sowore


Having Yoruba VP is called Training or Internship ... Power is coming to the south west in the next 4 years , Osibanjo , Fashola, Ambode and whoever the hell PDP picks are being subliminally planted into your brains , they will be popular and well known , if any of them comes out for presidency , you dolts have no choice but to vote them into power


Oh and even Potor residents love Osibanjo more than Buhari , just find one popular idiot from Potor land, give him VP , Give Osibanjo Presidency , come and see how your people will come out in droves to vote for Osibanjo , even though he was mentored by Buhari


hahahahahahah


Eee tii ri nkan kan

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by ariesbull: 7:28am On Oct 10, 2018
RevenGeMission:
Sensible people won't reason like this

Not all Yoruba hates PDP , and definitely not all Yoruba loves APC , You vote who you want based on your belief , we are not follow follow people , we make decisions after weighing our options

Now to answer the stupid question, it's about keeping Yoruba in power , Political Permutation, already we have people capable of being presidents , let's start with Fashola , Ambode , Osibanjo , even Jagaban(But i doubt he's interested) and the young Vibrant youth Sowore


Having Yoruba VP is called Training or Internship ... Power is coming to the south west in the next 4 years , Osibanjo , Fashola, Ambode and whoever the hell PDP picks are being subliminally planted into your brains , they will be popular and well known , if any of them comes out for presidency , you dolts have no choice but to vote them into power


Oh and even Potor residents love Osibanjo more than Buhari , just find one popular idiot from Potor land, give him VP , Give Osibanjo Presidency , come and see how your people will come out in droves to vote for Osibanjo , even though he was mentored by Buhari


hahahahahahah


Eee tii ri nkan kan


For me to believe that yoruba love PDP show us one state or local government that is PDP in the whole region of SW

Then the world and nation can take you guys seriously

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by IbrahimDamola: 7:31am On Oct 10, 2018
RevenGeMission:
Sensible people won't reason like this

Not all Yoruba hates PDP , and definitely not all Yoruba loves APC , You vote who you want based on your belief , we are not follow follow people , we make decisions after weighing our options

Now to answer the stupid question, it's about keeping Yoruba in power , Political Permutation, already we have people capable of being presidents , let's start with Fashola , Ambode , Osibanjo , even Jagaban(But i doubt he's interested) and the young Vibrant youth Sowore


Having Yoruba VP is called Training or Internship ... Power is coming to the south west in the next 4 years , Osibanjo , Fashola, Ambode and whoever the hell PDP picks are being subliminally planted into your brains , they will be popular and well known , if any of them comes out for presidency , you dolts have no choice but to vote them into power


Oh and even Potor residents love Osibanjo more than Buhari , just find one popular idiot from Potor land, give him VP , Give Osibanjo Presidency , come and see how your people will come out in droves to vote for Osibanjo , even though he was mentored by Buhari


hahahahahahah


Eee tii ri nkan kan


Aburo,

1) there is NO GUARANTEE that power is coming to the SW in 4 years. Osibande can't defeat a North+East alliance. Even Awo with all his education, clout, sagacity and refineness was made 'the best president nigeria never had' by the East+North. grin

2.) There cannot be an Osibande+ East candidate when power comes to the south. The north will not allow themselves to be shut out from the presidency and VP at the same time. If for argument sake Buhari wins and gets a second tenure, if yoruba tries to present themselves for presidency, the East will remind the rest of the world it is their turn as they are the only one in South who have not produced the president, it will set the East against APC and East will liase with north to scuttle a SW presidency if the SW remains adamant. After all yoruba have produced the OBJ presidency, if they can't wait for the East to take their turn, they won't have it either.

That's how nigerian politics works, no emotion, just facts my brother.

Abeg all these ones una sabi nigeria politics at all?

Biko Go and call your BMC yoruba veterans in politics, na dem I wan discuss with. grin

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by RevenGeMission: 7:34am On Oct 10, 2018
ariesbull:


For me to believe that yoruba love PDP show us one state or local government that is odp6 in the whole region of SW

kINDLY REBOOT your brain and your eyes, i never claimed APC or PDP are loved equally otherwise why would Adeleke Nearly win IleriOluwa ?

decisions are made on present interests and carefully weighed options in Yoruba land that's what i said

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by Yomboy4ever(m): 7:34am On Oct 10, 2018
kotv:


Obasanjo won first time without yoruba supporting him


Is that one a president abi compensation. Abegiii talk another thing. Atiku knows better like I said earlier no vacancy in Aso villa.
Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by kotv: 7:36am On Oct 10, 2018
Yomboy4ever:



Is that one a president abi compensation. Abegiii talk another thing. Atiku knows better like I said earlier no vacancy in Aso villa.

You claimed there have never been a president that won without yoruba support, I gave you one who is yoruba. Yoruba does not matter in scheme of things. The deciding factor have always been NC. GEJ is a perfect example, he won the first time because of NC and equally lost the second time because of NC despite Yoruba deceiving themselves it's because of them.

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by RevenGeMission: 7:42am On Oct 10, 2018
Afofungbemu

8 years of Northern Presidency will expire in 2023 , Power is definitely coming to the South West , others like you have come with your faulty
stupid analysis and they've failed woefully, i still remember those predicting Amobode decamping over governorship , i remember those who said Fayose will win, i remember those who stopped talking / responding to mentions because they bet 100k Ademola will win


You think you are a veteran ? the first thing to do is stay true to your identity and stop faking Yoruba name when your ancestors are from Potor republic


Ciao
IbrahimDamola:


Aburo,

1) there is NO GUARANTEE that power is coming to the SW in 4 years. Osibande can't defeat a North+East alliance. Even Awo with all his education and refineness was made 'the best president nigeria never had' by the East+North. grin

2.) There cannot be an Osibande+ East candidate when power comes to the south. The north will not allow themselves to be shut out from the presidency and VP at the same time.

Abeg all these ones una sabi nigeria politics at all?

Biko Go and call your BMC yoruba veterans in politics, na dem I wan discuss with. grin

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by IbrahimDamola: 7:43am On Oct 10, 2018
kotv:


You claimed there have never been a president that won without yoruba support, I gave you one who is yoruba. Yoruba does not matter in scheme of things. The deciding factor have always been NC. GEJ is a perfect example, he won the first time because of NC and equally lost the second time because of NC despite Yoruba deceiving themselves it's because of them.

yorubas have always been on the losing side 'opposition' for a long time until recently in 2015 just few years ago, now they call it a winning 'streak'. Our yorubas have redefined the meaning of ' winning streak' in the nigerian politicosphere. grin

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by KanwuliaMama: 7:43am On Oct 10, 2018
Only the USELESS ones! kiss
The serious one know to mind their cocaine business in the SW! cheesy

Na only dem waka come o!

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by livelymatilda22: 7:44am On Oct 10, 2018
Hypocrisy is when you scream Biafra or death in the morning ,then scream Vice president at night.. grin


What do you really want?

1...Biafra?
2...Referendum?
3...Vice president?

I thought your leader nnamdi kanu ordered you guys not to vote in 2019 without referendum?

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by IbrahimDamola: 7:46am On Oct 10, 2018
RevenGeMission:
Afofungbemu

8 years of Northern Presidency will expire in 2023 , Power is definitely coming to the South West , others like you have come with your faulty
stupid analysis and they've failed woefully, i still remember those predicting Amobode decamping over governorship , i remember those who said Fayose will win, i remember those who stopped talking / responding to mentions because they bet 100k Ademola will win


You think you are a veteran ? the first thing to do is stay true to your identity and stop faking Yoruba name when your ancestors are from Potor republic


Ciao
You are being emotional my dear aburo, I'm talking facts. There is NO guarantee Osibande is becoming president in 2023, he can't withstand the heavyweight of a North+East alliance. Even Baba Awolowo with his Ogboni confraternity 'strong head' couldn't. The only way power is returning to the south is if it is coming East, which is rightfully their turn. grin

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by livelymatilda22: 7:48am On Oct 10, 2018
IbrahimDamola:


yorubas have always been on the losing side 'opposition' for a long time until recently in 2015 just few years ago, now they call it a winning 'streak'. Our yorubas have redefined the meaning of ' winning streak' in the nigerian politicosphere. grin

If this is really the case, why are you complaining of MARGINALIZATION? grin

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by IbrahimDamola: 7:49am On Oct 10, 2018
livelymatilda22:
Hypocrisy is when you scream Biafra or death in the morning ,then scream Vice president at night.. grin


What do you really want?

1...Biafra?
2...Referendum?
3...Vice president?

I thought your leader nnamdi kanu ordered you guys not to vote in 2019 without referendum?

It is not your business what the East want. Afterall OPC was formed to achieve oduduwa republic, whatever happened to that mission? grin


Mind your business and let's play 'sophisticated' politics you always craved for. grin

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by goodnessme1(f): 7:50am On Oct 10, 2018
slivertongue:
they are driven by hypocrisy & greed. they also lack any sense of dignity
not all of us are like that,
is only our muslim brothers.

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by bishopkay: 7:51am On Oct 10, 2018
RevenGeMission:
Sensible people won't reason like this

Not all Yoruba hates PDP , and definitely not all Yoruba loves APC , You vote who you want based on your belief , we are not follow follow people , we make decisions after weighing our options

Now to answer the stupid question, it's about keeping Yoruba in power , Political Permutation, already we have people capable of being presidents , let's start with Fashola , Ambode , Osibanjo , even Jagaban(But i doubt he's interested) and the young Vibrant youth Sowore


Having Yoruba VP is called Training or Internship ... Power is coming to the south west in the next 4 years , Osibanjo , Fashola, Ambode and whoever the hell PDP picks are being subliminally planted into your brains , they will be popular and well known , if any of them comes out for presidency , you dolts have no choice but to vote them into power


Oh and even Potor residents love Osibanjo more than Buhari , just find one popular idiot from Potor land, give him VP , Give Osibanjo Presidency , come and see how your people will come out in droves to vote for Osibanjo , even though he was mentored by Buhari


hahahahahahah


Eee tii ri nkan kan


Whenever you speak, you spew so much hate garnished with all sorts of rubbish! So in your infantile brain, a SE and SW ticket can work in this country for 2023 abi or even the nearest future?

I have come to understand that you fools supporting the dullard do so not for your claims of him to continue his "good works", because apparently, there are no good works to support him for...non what so ever. You dolts support him because you feel he'd hand over to a yoruba but unfortunately, you people don't have what it takes to arm twist Nigerians into your wish and I believe there are still sensible detribalized yorubas who share my line of thought.

More painful is the fact some of you claim to be Patriots. You ain't Patriots, y'all just 2 faced cut throat nit-wits who hide under the cloak of patriotism to spread hate and chaos because patriotism isn't loyalty to a president but to the cause of the nation.

And For your information also, the MB has always been the deciding factor for presidential election wins, not the SW and I guess you know they are not smiling with the dullard? SW votes have always been split and would remain like that in a long time due to enlightened folks there.
I sincerely hope the PDP and Atiku don't fall into the trap you snakes are setting for him just like they didn't fall into the tambuwal and Saraki presidential ticket snare.

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by gratiaeo(m): 7:52am On Oct 10, 2018
Yomboy4ever:



Cos no candidate has won a presidential election without the support of the Yoruba. Proof me. Wrong but unfortunately they just want to help you guyz get somthing better ni. No vacancy in aso rock
Shagari did, even Obasanjo first tenure.. prove me wrong

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by goodnessme1(f): 7:52am On Oct 10, 2018
devindevin2000:
The reason will shock you...ATIKU WILL PICK IGBO VP. That's a NO NO for Yoruba. Tomorrow they will tell you, Southerners lets unite, Southerners lets be one, Southerners lets for a coalition, but they are the first to always stab a fellow Southerner in the back like they stabbed GEJ only because he surrounded himself with Igbos and saw video of PEJ speaking Igbo. That video of PEJ speaking Igbo was the last straw, because they thought she was a "SS" with no affiliation to Igbos as they foolishly always think of SS people, LOL. From that day, she became their enemy number one. Why did you think they starting hating that woman for no reason? Even Diezani, why do you think they hate her? Because she has affiliation to Igbo. You think they will hate Deizani if her name was Aisha or Adeosun? Hypocrites! An afonja wrote here in 2015 he would rather suffer under Buhari than to see GEJ surrounded by Igbos even if the economy is doing well. I'll never forget that post!
yea i remember that post.

These my muslim brothers are terrible.

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by IbrahimDamola: 7:52am On Oct 10, 2018
devindevin2000:
The reason will shock you...ATIKU WILL PICK IGBO VP. That's a NO NO for Yoruba. Tomorrow they will tell you, Southerners lets unite, Southerners lets be one, Southerners lets for a coalition, but they are the first to always stab a fellow Southerner in the back like they stabbed GEJ only because he surrounded himself with Igbos and saw video of PEJ speaking Igbo. That video of PEJ speaking Igbo was the last straw, because they thought she was a "SS" with no affiliation to Igbos as they foolishly always think of SS people, LOL. From that day, she became their enemy number one. Why did you think they starting hating that woman for no reason? Even Diezani, why do you think they hate her? Because she has affiliation to Igbo. You think they will hate Deizani if her name was Aisha or Adeosun? Hypocrites! An afonja wrote here in 2015 he would rather suffer under Buhari than to see GEJ surrounded by Igbos even if the economy is doing well. I'll never forget that post!

We yorubas only ask for 'southern' unity when it is to our favour. We yoruba get sense, other southerners no get. grin

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by RevenGeMission: 7:56am On Oct 10, 2018
When did you withdraw your support for Saraki ? i saw you praising him rooting for him

Odinary cocaine Pusher (According to dolts from Potor region) Tinubu fucccked him up in Ekiti , Osun and Presidential Primaries

when you know what you are saying i will discuss with you , until then, have a lovely morning

bishopkay:


Whenever you speak, you spew so much hate garnished with all sorts of rubbish! So in your infantile brain, a SE and SW ticket can work in this country for 2023 abi or even the nearest future?

I have come to understand that you fools supporting the dullard do so not for your claims of him to continue his "good works", because apparently, there are no good works to support him for...non what so ever. You dolts support him because you feel he'd hand over to a yoruba but unfortunately, you people don't have what it takes to arm twist Nigerians into your wish and I believe there are still sensible non tribalistic yorubas who share my line of thought. More painful is the fact some of you claim to be Patriots. You ain't Patriots, y'all just 2 faced cut throat nit wits who hide under the cloak of patriotism to spread gage and chaos because patriotism isn't loyalty to a president but to the cause of the nation.

And For your information also, the MB has always been the deciding factor for presidential election wins, not the SW and I guess you know they are not smiling with the dullard?
Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by hucienda: 7:56am On Oct 10, 2018
This election has exposed Nigeria's fault lines as Atiku is in a Catch-22 situation.

Imagine him picking a SW VP and going to campaign say in Onitsha or Aba, folks there would be like ''so we are good for just votes and not the office abi?"

Imagine him picking a SE VP and going to campaign in Abeokuta or Ibadan, folks there would be like "why should we move from certainty (as we currently have the VP) to uncertainty?"

Analyzing both scenarios his safest bet would be to pick a SE VP, as that would give further drive to folks from there across the country to the ballot box since it would be the first time in 20 years since the dawn of the Fourth Republic that one of theirs would be on the ticket of any of the major political parties and secondly, since there is hardly any incentive for the SW to leave their current VP and 6-state APC regional stronghold to vote for the PDP. Also, recent historical data of votes from the region always shows a split in the votes not like the block votes of say the NW, SE and SS. Atiku needs his data analytics team to crunch the numbers and hedge their bets to make the right, optimal choice. Good luck to him.

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by IbrahimDamola: 7:57am On Oct 10, 2018
livelymatilda22:

If this is really the case, why are you complaining of MARGINALIZION? grin

Everybody complains of marginalization, even MURIC yoruba muslims are the biggest screamers of marginalization in today's nigeria even in a muslim buhari presidency. grin

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by globemoney: 7:57am On Oct 10, 2018
Yomboy4ever:



Cos no candidate has won a presidential election without the support of the Yoruba. Proof me. Wrong but unfortunately they just want to help you guyz get somthing better ni. No vacancy in aso rock
Obasanjo, Yar’adua, GEJ all won their elections without Yoruba support. Buhari is the only person that won with Yoruba support

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Re: Why Are Yoruba Apc Members Keen On A Sw Vp For Pdp? by RevenGeMission: 7:58am On Oct 10, 2018
hahahahahahahahah


EpiTical Satirism Confused region


hahahahahahahahah


livelymatilda22:
Hypocrisy is when you scream Biafra or death in the morning ,then scream Vice president at night.. grin


What do you really want?

1...Biafra?
2...Referendum?
3...Vice president?

I thought your leader nnamdi kanu ordered you guys not to vote in 2019 without referendum?

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