DoctorAlien:


Who said if man was not corrupt, there would be no need for the 10 commandments? What then would have been the standard of right and wrong without the 10 commandments? Understand that the Law, the principles of which are summarized for man in the 10 commandments, is the standard of right and wrong with which GOD rules creation.

Why will a perfect world need rules? If u said God created man perfect before he fell, then man wouldn't have don't wrong... There will be no standard for right and wrong because man would always be right... Except u wanna tell me that God ALWAYS EXPECTED man to fall.

LOL. It is not really true that "only a corrupt man will think of killing". Killing is sin, a violation of the law(1 Jn. 3:4). But before Satan sinned in heaven, (of which the Law was the only standard by which his acts could have been adjudged sin) he was not corrupt. Sin is really a mystery, as the Bible says.(2 Thess. 2:7).

Only corrupt man thinks of killing... Why will an incorrupt person think of killing... U mean God created man with the ability to kill? Like seriously... Well thought he only became capable of sinning after he fell

johnydon22:


That verse seem to not collaborate with what seem like a personal injection to the story to maintain doctrinal correctness.

Read that verse again.

" then the serpent was the wisest of all the animals "

"And God cursed the serpent"

It was the serpent which is wise and chatty. Read the verse again, God cursee the serpent for its transgression.

LOL. Even the Bible terms the ant wise when it refers the sluggard to the ant to learn her ways. A wonderfully functional brain that can be deployed to solve problems in animals is not the same as a conscience which can feel moral right or wrong. The serpent was simply a very intelligent creature. Maybe that was why Satan chose it. But the serpent did not have a conscience! Only creatures like man and angels have.

frank317:

Why will a perfect world need rules? If u said God created man perfect before he fell, then man wouldn't have don't wrong... There will be no standard for right and wrong because man would always be right... Except u wanna tell me that God ALWAYS EXPECTED man to fall.

LOL. A system without guiding laws is in anarchy bro. It means anything goes. Man was created perfect but with freewill, which means he could choose to obey GOD or disobey GOD(sin, fall). "Man would always be right" by what standard? Meanwhile what prevents GOD from having the pleasure of creating beings who could reciprocate His love by truly willfully obeying Him?

Only corrupt man thinks of killing... Why will an incorrupt person think of killing... U mean God created man with the ability to kill? Like seriously... Well thought he only became capable of sinning after he fell

If man was not capable of sinning he would not have fallen. Isn't that much obvious?

johnydon22:


It is like this; For only 100naira you get a popcorn for free ... Lol

frank317:

Why will a perfect world need rules? If u said God created man perfect before he fell, then man wouldn't have don't wrong... There will be no standard for right and wrong because man would always be right... Except u wanna tell me that God ALWAYS EXPECTED man to fall.



Only corrupt man thinks of killing... Why will an incorrupt person think of killing... U mean God created man with the ability to kill? Like seriously... Well thought he only became capable of sinning after he fell

The thing tire me.....it's pure cognitive dissonance

frank317:
Its a response to his post

I know it was a response to his post
but what point were you trying to make responding to his post in that manner with your comment?

frank317:
There is no evidence to this bro... It said the serpent was the wisest among the beast of the field (perhaps wiser than dumb Adam and Eve)...

You got jokes. Right?
If wiser than dumb Adam and Eve, look where it got it
Bwahahaha ha

frank317:
It never said Satan saw it as the sharpest tool to use...
The serpent deceived man... Not Satan.
Read ur bible again. god cursed serpent and never mentioned Satan.

"Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made."
- Genesis 3:1a

If you read Genesis 3:1a carefully, who in that verse was said to be more subtil than any beast of the field?

The word "subtil" in that verse, has the meaning of having or showing sharp powers of judgement
or having or showing an ability to accurately assess situations or people and turn this to one's advantage

Who from that verse in Genesis 3:1a above, is the sharpest tool in box?
Who did Satan use as a tool to deceive Eve?

frank317:
Well, I am not possessed...
Just like how u are accusing serpent of being possessed... Bible never said serpent was possessed...
U made it all up just as u are making it up I am possessed.
Christianity is all about making up stories in ur head and calling it fact.

Maybe its your guilty conscience that's pricking you
as I never at any time wrote that you are possessed
You've just there slandered me with a false accusation

I'll like you to go re-read my comment to see your mistake
thereafter retract your false accusation and then tender an unreserved apology

frank317:
Satan is all in ur head.. I have never seen him and I don't believe is exist.

That's exactly how satan wants it to be.
Satan wants you to believe satan doesnt exist because you havent seen satan
Dont you know that satan is a celestial being, you cant see with nâked eyes?

frank317:
Judas was not possessed by Satan... Another one of ur made up lies.

"Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve."
- Luke 22:3

"And when Judas had taken the piece of bread, Satan entered into him.
Then Jesus said to Judas,
"What you are about to do, do quickly.""
- John 13:27

frank317:
I am not surprised at this statement...
With someone who makes up stories ...
U are becoming very good in the art.

Idle hands are the devil's tools
that's why I wrote the statement that:
"frank317, you might be giving in and yielding to being a tool, right now, in satan's hand"

frank317:
How about seeing me as Satan himself.

Dont think too highly of yourself
You arent the šhit, you're not šhit poop stain, you are not even a fart of Satan

MuttleyLaff:
I know it was a response to his post
but what point where you trying to make responding to his post in that manner with your comment?

You got jokes. Right?
If wiser than dumb Adam and Eve, look where it got it
Bwahahaha ha

"Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made."
- Genesis 3:1a

If you read Genesis 3:1a carefully, who in that verse was said to be more subtil than any beast of the field?

The word "subtil" in that verse, has the meaning of having or showing sharp powers of judgement
or having or showing an ability to accurately assess situations or people and turn this to one's advantage

Who from that verse in Genesis 3:1a above, is the sharpest tool in box?
Who did Satan use as a tool to deceive Eve?

Maybe its your guilty conscience that's pricking you
as I never at any time wrote that you are possessed
You've just there slandered me with a false accusation

I'll like you to go re-read my comment to see your mistake
thereafter retract your false accusation and then tender an unreserved apology

That's exactly how satan wants it to be.
Satan wants you to believe satan doesnt exist because you havent seen satan
Dont you know that satan is a celestial being, you cant see with nâked eyes?

"Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve."
- Luke 22:3

"And when Judas had taken the piece of bread, Satan entered into him.
Then Jesus said to Judas,
"What you are about to do, do quickly.""
- John 13:27

Idle hands are the devil's tools
that's why I wrote the statement that:
"frank317, you might be giving in and yielding to being a tool, right now, in satan's hand"

Dont think too highly of yourself
You arent the šhit, you're not šhit poop stain, you are not even a fart of Satan

If your god was perfect in the first place, you wouldn't have to go through all this stress just to defend the Bible stories.

ScepticalPyrrho:
If your god was perfect in the first place, you wouldn't have to go through all this stress just to defend the Bible stories.

God is perfect, whether you like it or not, whether you accept it or not, whether you agree or not, whether you believe or not

Fishes swim without stress. Birds fly without stress. Cheetahs sprints without stress
What you read in the bible doesnt need anyone defending it.
Effortlessly, sharing whats in the bible is not stressful (i.e. because of grace and the Spirit of truth)

DoctorAlien:
It has none bro. The new testament may be heretical to the Jews but it does not mean it is not true.

Really? Read Matthew 28 and Mark 16 for a start and compare them.

Omooba224:
Really? Read Matthew 28 and Mark 16 for a start and compare them.

Check this thread which I created on that issue:
https://www.nairaland.com/4102701/christs-resurrectionfour-accounts-one-reality

CAPSLOCKED:


BECAUSE LIVING IS TOO DIFFICULT.
JESUS HAD TO DO EVERYTHING WITHIN HIS MIGHT TO ESCAPE THIS EARTH ON TIME.
I'M SURE IF HE HAD BEEN BORN IN THIS PRESENT DAY NIGERIA HE WOULD HAVE DISAPPEARED BEFORE HIS 4TH BIRTHDAY.

CAPSLOCKED!
LMFAO. I FIND THIS VERY FUNNY

MuttleyLaff:
The plan to come and die on earth had been formulated even before creation and foundation of the earth

Jesus started to exist subsequently after the moment the Holy Spirit came upon Mary and the power of the Most High overshadowed her

WTF is this guy saying

No, technically and biologically Jesus wasnt in Heaven at the beginning of creation.

Nigga are you confusing yourself or are you trying to be illogical

if Jesus doesn't exist back then, how tha fvck was the plan to sacrifice him formulate

In the original babylonian tale from which the story was adapted from by the jews, Ninghiszida was the serpent of the good tree while Inanna was the serpent of the Evil tree.. I think the story is about life and death.. And how death is just a punishment (illusion).. As both life and death are one and the same thing..

DoctorAlien:


Using the word "punish" on the serpent is really meaningless. You could say GOD implemented a change on the anatomy and physiology of the serpent at that moment, because even the serpent does not have a mind with which to feel that it has been wronged or wrongly punished. But the message to Satan and to Adam and Eve has been passed by that act.

from your explanation, I think that is how the Bible came to be, men trying to think for the gods

purem:
WTF is this guy saying

Nigga are you confusing yourself or are you trying to be illogical

https://www.nairaland.com/4787556/writers-adam-eve-honest/1#72080614

purem:
if Jesus doesn't exist back then, how tha fvck was the plan to sacrifice him formulate

Are proposal of houses on a plan, already existing on the ground before they are physically built?

MuttleyLaff:
https://www.nairaland.com/4787556/writers-adam-eve-honest/1#72080614


Are proposal of houses on a plan, already existing on the ground before they are physically built?

Dafork are u talking

is Jesus house


Nigga u shud goan sleep, l think u ve consume enough weeed already

Blakjewelry:

from your explanation, I think that is how the Bible came to be, men trying to think for the gods

No bro. Rather the Bible came from GOD to, amongst other things, guide how men think.

purem:
Dafork are u talking

is Jesus house

Nigga u shud goan sleep, l think u ve consume enough weeed already

Please accept my sympathy
I am sorry to read from your signature that your IQ is lower than zero percent,
and so won't judge you for saying trash or misquoting.

MuttleyLaff:
God is perfect, whether you like it or not, whether you accept it or not, whether you agree or not, whether you believe or not

Fishes swim without stress. Birds fly without stress. Cheetahs sprints without stress
What you read in the bible doesnt need anyone defending it.
Effortlessly, sharing whats in the bible is not stressful (i.e. because of grace and the Spirit of truth)

So much energy...

ScepticalPyrrho:
So much energy...

It's the life we chose
and its no strain on the body mind and soul
Its our work ooo, yeah soft work

MuttleyLaff:
No, technically and biologically Jesus wasnt in Heaven at the beginning of creation.
It is the Word, in the, in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, that was in heaven

I am sorry. I left out the final part of that quote.
It says:
"You are my friends, if you do what I command."

lol, so why didn't he just command instead of wasting his death

DoctorAlien:


Bro, all these things are what you think. I will not be surprised too if you say GOD is not omnipotent just because He did not create a square circle.

By the way, a perfect world with freewill was existing until imperfection came in through the only door through which it could have come in: freewill.

who created the imperfection?

MuttleyLaff:
We dont put sauces and spices on our table because two people always make the perfect dish:
My Mom and my better half

Craving is associated with abnormal desire

We live in an imperfect world
Prior to where we are, with the exception of mentioning man, each stage of creation and the entire package were pronounced good
There were six "it was good" before the finale seventh, God looked upon all that He had made "it was very good"
The amount of times "good" was declared is seven.
The number seven signifies and represents perfection, there are numerous examples in the bible to illustrate this with
but alas, there is a twist to the number seven, which you might find interesting and possibly appreciate I shared it

The twist, is that, the number seven also is a sign that indicates knowing that nothing is exactly as it seems
and that reality often can be hidden behind illusions.

a perfect dish is relative, must you argue about everything?

DoctorAlien:
LOL. A system without guiding laws is in anarchy bro. It means anything goes. Man was created perfect but with freewill, which means he could choose to obey GOD or disobey GOD(sin, fall). "Man would always be right" by what standard? Meanwhile what prevents GOD from having the pleasure of creating beings who could reciprocate His love by truly willfully obeying Him?

If man was not capable of sinning he would not have fallen. Isn't that much obvious?

you are getting it all wrong. A perfect system won't need rules and their will be no standard for anarchy.
if the earth were created perfect, there will be no rules hence there will be no anarchy.

anarchy is a factor of rules

And the preaching of the cross is foolishness to those that are perishing.

And God has really giving them a reprobate mind, ever learning but never understanding.

They strive so much with their maker. Day and night, yet to them he does not exist.

Should I take them serious? Nahhh!

Yoruba muslims and Christians must take not of this fake king, especially muslims. Islam has nothing to do with Yoruba religion.


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DoctorAlien:


Check this thread which I created on that issue:
https://www.nairaland.com/4102701/christs-resurrectionfour-accounts-one-reality

Baba, I have seen the work of copy and paste you did right there. As far as the Bible is concerned it is not infallible and can never be a true word of God. It is the true word of men. Why did the contradictions come so much? How credible is the source of the gospels? You can't find an objective reply to my questions. So sorry to break your heart, the Bible is full work of wise men. Kiss the truth.

nwabekeyi:
lol, so why didn't he just command instead of wasting his death

So why didn't He just command what?
How did you arrive at the idea and conclusion that His death is wasted?

nwabekeyi:
a perfect dish is relative, must you argue about everything?

We dont put sauces and spices on our table because two people (i.e. my Mom and my better half) always make the perfect dish.
That's a fact, not an argument as we never had to put sauce or spices after the cooking or served dish

nwabekeyi:
you are getting it all wrong. A perfect system won't need rules and their will be no standard for anarchy.
if the earth were created perfect, there will be no rules hence there will be no anarchy.

anarchy is a factor of rules

We live in an imperfect world
Prior to where we are in this current imperfect world, with the exception of mentioning man as good, each stage of creation and the entire package were pronounced good
There were six "it was good" before the finale seventh, God looked upon all that He had made "it was very good"

The amount of times "good" was declared is seven.
The number seven signifies and represents perfection, there are numerous examples in the bible to illustrate this with
but alas, there is a twist to the number seven, which you might find interesting and possibly appreciate I shared it

The twist, is that, the number seven also is a sign that indicates knowing that nothing is exactly as it seems
and that reality often can be hidden behind illusions.

DoctorAlien:
No bro. Rather the Bible came from GOD to, amongst other things, guide how men think.

No, that is not correct, the jews wrote the Tanakh (which Christians call the old testament) for their religion called Judaism.. It is the Romans who came later on and used it as a base for thir own religion (Christianity).. They removed some books they don't like and called it the old testament and added their own at the end of it.. They now called the whole book and THE BIBLE..

Every community in this world have their own laws of the land or Omenani guiding them.. We igbos have ours,
It is all the same laws told with different elements.. Do not kill, do not commit adultery, honour parents, do not steal.. Etc...

It is the European that came looking for slaves and resources to steal that gave the book to your ancestors... They know the book is useless to us, because it was useless to them, until they started enlightening them selves , it is meant to keep us busy and occupied and confused while they steal our natural and human resources..

johnydon22:

And God created Adam and Eve and put them in a perfect garden. The tree of life and death was with God and then God thought to himself;

"I should put that tree right into the garden"

"Jesus! What do you think? I am gonna put that tree into the garden"

"What?" Jesus yelled "Are you kidding me right now? That's a horrible idea"

"Ooooh i am going to put it" God smirked

"Common!!!" Jesus yelled and other inhabitants of heaven just looked on.

And so it happened, that God put the tree he didn't want anybody to eat from right into the middle of the garden where the only 2 people who possibly could eat it lived.

And then, he called Adam and Eve and said "See, you guys can eat from every tree in this garden but not that one"

"What?" Eve yelled

"Why did you put it here then?" Adam queried

God rolled his eyes "Hey, Hey, common guys, see, i am serious. Nobody should eat from that tree"

Do you know the first thing the b-itch did? Totally eat the fruit and gave it to Adam.

Back in heaven, Jesus and God watched with open mouth as Adam and Eve munched the juicy fruit like their lives depended on it.

And God slowly turned to Jesus and said "You do know i'm gonna have to have you killed for this right?"

Jesus chuckled at the perceived subtle joke then it dawned on him, God never jokes.

"WTF!!!"

It will continue to sound foolish to those who don't want to obey divine instructions,so that their minds are resolved as freethinkers to think, talk and do whatever they like until Jesus come and EXTERMINATE them all! Instead of thoughtfully asking "what is behind all of these?" a foolish individual will quickly discard the idea of an unseen superior intelligent being,yet from all indications someone is behind all of these. Because intelligent creatures like man can fool other intelligent creatures sometimes but certainly NOT ALL THE TIME. Therefore there is a clue hiding behind what an ordinary layman can see,Satan instituted so many religions all claiming they belong to the same God and misleading billions both by their utterances and actions but if you truly want to know the TRUE Christians you can know and learn to fully grasp the meaning of the Genesis account of "Adam and Eve"! You'll be surprised to know that what seems to be like a child's play is fulfilling right before your own eyes but out of negligence you don't care to verify!

TATIME:
It will continue to sound foolish to those who don't want to obey divine instructions,so that their minds are resolved as freethinkers to think, talk and do whatever they like until Jesus come and EXTERMINATE them all! Instead of thoughtfully asking "what is behind all of these?" a foolish individual will quickly discard the idea of an unseen superior intelligent being,yet from all indications someone is behind all of these. Because intelligent creatures like man can fool other intelligent creatures sometimes but certainly NOT ALL THE TIME. Therefore there is a clue hiding behind what an ordinary layman can see,Satan instituted so many religions all claiming they belong to the same God and misleading billions both by their utterances and actions but if you truly want to know the TRUE Christians you can know and learn to fully grasp the meaning of the Genesis account of "Adam and Eve"! You'll be surprised to know that what seems to be like a child's play is fulfilling right before your own eyes but out of negligence you don't care to verify!

Excellent rebuttal. . . lol

Empiree:
Yoruba muslims and Christians must take not of this fake king, especially muslims. Islam has nothing to do with Yoruba religion.


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oni ogunwusi is not a trainned historian or a scholar. I will rather say he is just good at sophistry because his position demands that for peace to prevail among the muslim , Christian and traditionalist. Some youruba suffi muslim also use this line of thought to accomodate all other religion veiws.


But let me dance along with your reasons....

What is prophet adam religion?