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You are dissing him for something he wrote in Nov 30, 2012

IkpuMmadu:
Oga for years now ...you have been on this Igbo thing.are you this jobless and useless that you don't have any meaningful thing to do with your life than

Who is Igbo or not

agbotaen:
1. sorry to dissappoint you , okowa does not mean man from owa , its taken from two words , ika language was initially close to edo language but as time , went on it gained a life of its own from many people migrating from many areas into ika , so changes occured .
2. oko can mean man or prince from the ika /edo word word okoh or senior male , while owa -means wealth and goodness in benin and it later changed into uwe in ika today , and so the name okowa is taken from okoh-uwa and later written and pronounced as okowa.
3. the name efosa in edo means wealth of God , and in ika it is efose , it is taken from efe- wealth and oselobue in ika , while benin is efe- osalobuwa .
4. we reserve the right to bear the names of our ancestors , we dont need to listen to igbo propaganda , if we have edo names thats our business and if some of us bear igbo names thats our business ,, just like we have igbos bearing british names such as alex ekwueme , mary onyali , and even igala names too , even some igbos have yoruba names , have they removed it ?
5. ikas are proud of their ancestory and we do not want to change it for igbo , so keep your 200 million population , we no want , all we want is to be called ika .
6. igbo nation or tribe is a creation of the british that brought people together under the name igbo and so it is not from God and people did not sit to agree and to force it on other people because you feel they bear some of your name or have some similarities with you is very absurd .

you are a m.o.r.o.n

The remaining relic of benin in anioma are almost over, only a little more time will tell.

agbotaen:
1. igbos should respect ika nation and people , our resolve to be ika is very ancient and even the british knows it , we resisted being benin and in 1930 , our fathers wrote to the british telling them in clear terms that ika is not part of any known ethnic group in nigeria, and in 1967 , during the civil war igbos also claimed ika and our elders also rejected that claim and rejected biafra .
2. nduka is his first name and its definitely igbo , but his surname is obaigbena and its benin or edo and so what does that tell you , igbos should realise that ika people came into ika in different waves from benin, ishan, ora, ndokwa, aniocha and igbo land and even yoruba , so its a mixed race , but the core founders came from edo areas , but over time we have evolved into a seperate and distinct ethnicity and as such we are ika ethnic group and we should be respected .
3. we were called eka , later changed into ika , we had ogunagbon or agbon later changed in 1906 into agbor , we know our history and we are ika people and if igbos want to kill them selves on ika issues thats their business.
4. ika is a large ethnic group covering many areas in delta and edo state , and majority of ika people believe they are ika , but we have a small percentage from the eastern corridors in some parts of igbodo and ekwoma that say they are igbos , thats ok , but 99 percent of ika people belong to ogua/onu ika as the highest socio-political group for ika nation , just like igbos have ohaneze ndigbo .
5. we know some ika people have igbo names mostly as their first name but that does not make them igbos , just like we have majority of ikas with family names that are of edo.benin origin , and that does not make them benins , but we know we are ika thats what we call our selves and we do not add ibo to it , but out of ignorant many write whatever they like .
6. ika people are confident and we have made many brake throughs and by the grace of God , we will become the next governor of delta state .
7. nduka obaigbena is a proud prince from owa and ika , and so am i proud of being ika, i dont want to be any thing else .
8. moreover igbo nation was organised and created by europeans , it did not exist 200 years ago, so those who believe they are igbo that is their business and we that believe we are ika , thats our business , i dont even see the great similarity between ika and igbo ?
9. itsekiri in delta arose from both yoruba and benin and they are a different ethnicity , isoko and uhrobo speak very similar language and has similar culture and yet they are different ethnic groups, so nearness of language between ika and igbo does not make them same ethnic group.
10. kpanmiose is a proper ika name and many ika bear it today , am only sorry for ikas that decide to give their children igbo names over the beautiful ika names that abound

Ika people should run massive tests on their people for Y-dna and find out once and for all who their founding fathers are.

You people are spinning stories left right and center, it is possible that Ika may have merged with other groups of people but with genetics and the patriarchy system practiced in this part of the world, a simple genetic test of Y-dna, Mtdna and atdna will map what groups are "founders" and what group were incorporated.

Linguists and anthropologist note that there is a strong correlation between genetics and similar lexicons, grammar and alphabet structure within two groups of people in close proximity, in other words if two people speak a somewhat mutually intelligible language they both emanate from the same "founder" population.

Any thing else regarding this matter is subjective heresay, folk tales and possible historical fabrications. A history or self determination based on lies is a lie in and of itself.

DNA does not lie!

Shikena

morpheus24:
Ika people should run massive tests on their people for Y-dna and find out once and for all who their founding fathers are.

You people are spinning stories left right and center, it is possible that Ika may have merged with other groups of people but with genetics and the patriarchy system practiced in this part of the world, a simple genetic test of Y-dna, Mtdna and atdna will map what groups are "founders" and what group were incorporated.

Linguists and anthropologist note that there is a strong correlation between genetics and similar lexicons, grammar and alphabet structure within two groups of people in close proximity, in other words if two people speak a somewhat mutually intelligible language they both emanate from the same "founder" population.

Any thing else regarding this matter is subjective heresay, folk tales and possible historical fabrications. A history or self determination based on lies is a lie in and of itself.

DNA does not lie!

Shikena

Is the E1b1a7 haplogroup the dominant paternal lineage for Igbo people?

AtaniWarrior:
Is the E1b1a7 haplogroup the dominant paternal lineage for Igbo people?

I believe so however other subclades of E1b1a such as E1b1a7a8a are also spread across the Igbo and other closer groups around the surrounding area. The clade E1b1a unifies most West African, central and Southern Africans.

I do believe however that in addition an autosomal DNA test would also be needed to accurately determine "founder populations" of all these so called "igboid" groups.

The suffix letters and numbers at the end of the subclades are simply added mutations and help to determine what specific "ethnic group" possess these unique mutations

African Ancestry which is a test that differentiates itself from say 23&men and ancestry.com does a better job in pinpointing the actual "ethnic group" in Africa one comes from and the more tests done the more accurate their predictions would be.


The Ytdna would tie these so called Igboid groups first of all to specific groups in the South of Nigeria, then specific mutations would narrow down to the specific ethnic groups as well.

Mtdna would find out if their women came from the same ethnic grouping or from other surrounding groups and finally the autosomal would determine how close in complete genetic makeup they are to each group in the surrounding area.

They will not include these possibilities in their discussions however because I suspect a more sinister geo political motive in play.

morpheus24:
I believe so however other subclades of E1b1a such as E1b1a7a8a are also spread across the Igbo and other closer groups around the surrounding area. The clade E1b1a unifies most West African, central and Southern Africans.

I do believe however that in addition an autosomal DNA test would also be needed to accurately determine "founder populations" of all these so called "igboid" groups.

The suffix letters and numbers at the end of the subclades are simply added mutations and help to determine what specific "ethnic group" possess these unique mutations

African Ancestry which is a test that differentiates itself from say 23&men and ancestry.com does a better job in pinpointing the actual "ethnic group" in Africa one comes from and the more tests done the more accurate their predictions would be.


The Ytdna would tie these so called Igboid groups first of all to specific groups in the South of Nigeria, then specific mutations would narrow down to the specific ethnic groups as well.

Mtdna would find out if their women came from the same ethnic grouping or from other surrounding groups and finally the autosomal would determine how close in complete genetic makeup they are to each group in the surrounding area.

They will not include these possibilities in their discussions however because I suspect a more sinister geo political motive in play.

Thank you for the information. Perhaps the E1b1a7 and E1b1a7a subclades originated in Central or Southern Nigeria? E1b1a8 subclade from the Nigerian/Cameroon border area? E1b1a8a and E1b1a8a1 subclades from Southern Cameroon?

I think these areas are where the subclades might have the highest frequencies. Hopefully we will get more information from future DNA tests.

AtaniWarrior:
Thank you for the information. Perhaps the E1b1a7 and E1b1a7a subclades originated in Central or Southern Nigeria? E1b1a8 subclade from the Nigerian/Cameroon border area? E1b1a8a and E1b1a8a1 subclades from Southern Cameroon?

I think these areas are where the subclades might have the highest frequencies. Hopefully we will get more information from future DNA tests.

The diversity of this haplogroup is more prevalent in West Africa which is why the hypothesis is that it originated more West-central than anywhere else. It is possible that E1b1a7 originated somewhere in central Africa but much closer to Sudan and the Central African republic than to say the Congo but definitely not in Southern Africa. The Migration flows from central( closer to Sudan) to the west then back to east and then down central via Cameroon then down South.


Please note that E1b1a is the not the oldest Ytdna haplogroup in Africa but was the most successful of all to populate the continent via the Bantu expansion. Ethiopians, Somali, Nubians, Southern sudanese and many North east African's carry an older version of this Ydna but not the E1b1a mutation.


All the so called Igboid groups such as Ika, etche, Ikwerre and the likes are most likely of igob "stock' in my opinion, the indicators point to this conclusion but again it will not be tested. Nigeria doesn't have any Universities that are researched based that will even ponder this question so it will remain in the arena of socio-political discourse.

Sad!


source
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_populations_of_Sub-Saharan_Africa

morpheus24:
The diversity of this haplogroup is more prevalent in West Africa which is why the hypothesis is that it originated more West-central than anywhere else. It is possible that E1b1a7 originated somewhere in central Africa but much closer to Sudan and the Central African republic than to say the Congo but definitely not in Southern Africa. The Migration flows from central( closer to Sudan) to the west then back to east and then down central via Cameroon then down South.


Please note that E1b1a is the not the oldest Ytdna haplogroup in Africa but was the most successful of all to populate the continent via the Bantu expansion. Ethiopians, Somali, Nubians, Southern sudanese and many North east African's carry an older version of this Ydna but not the E1b1a mutation.


All the so called Igboid groups such as Ika, etche, Ikwerre and the likes are most likely of igob "stock' in my opinion, the indicators point to this conclusion but again it will not be tested. Nigeria doesn't have any Universities that are researched based that will even ponder this question so it will remain in the arena of socio-political discourse.

Sad!


source
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_populations_of_Sub-Saharan_Africa

That’s interesting. DNA is very intricate. I will definitely do more research.

Regarding the Igboid groups I respect your views. The situation is complicated. Igbo cohesion has a lot of potential to accomplish even greater things. Same with the other groups in Nigeria and Africa as a whole. With the right mindset of the people and good leadership, the sky is the limit.

AtaniWarrior:
That’s interesting. DNA is very intricate. I will definitely do more research.

Regarding the Igboid groups I respect your views. The situation is complicated. Igbo cohesion has a lot of potential to accomplish even greater things. Same with the other groups in Nigeria and Africa as a whole. With the right mindset of the people and good leadership, the sky is the limit.

Genetics is amazing, if I could go back I would most definitely have been a geneticist. The patterns and discoveries are intriguing and mind blowing.

Nigerians should simply accept that no group should try to dominate the other and instead focus on building a nation state and not cultural enclaves who wish to wield power that bears no fruit. Like I said earlier I am all for self determination and if my blood brother wished to marry a Yoruba woman and his children see it fit to change their names to Nwa-Ayodele and call carve out for themselves a new ethnic identity, it will never change or dismiss the fact that their father was my blood brother. The genetics will tell the true story.

Hello, i find your knowledge on Ika and Owa history and affairs very intriging, i would like to discuss and learn more from you please if you do not mind, we need to spread this same enegry to our children so the culture and history lives on and vibrant. pls can i get your contact.

agbotaen:
1. sorry uwa means wealth in edo and in ika its uwe , so its oko- uwa that was spelt and pronounced as okowa