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| Is "Allah" The Moon God? by OnyeOGA(op): 3:20pm On Oct 25, 2018 |
"Allah" is the personal name of the moon god, the chief among the three-hundred sixty pagan idols that were worshipped in Mecca, the home town of Muhammad. Consider what the ancient pagan Arabians did to worship their moon god, Allah; they prayed while bowing toward K'abah, the "house of Allah" in Mecca that houses a meteorite - a rock from space - several times a day, visited it once a year, and walked around it several times during their visit. To worship their Allah. Perched atop mosques across the world is the crescent moon (above), the symbol of Allah whom Muhammad chose as the god of Islam. When confronted with the details above, Muslim typically re-assert that "Allah" still means "al" + "ilah" - i.e., "the" + "god" - and is same as the God of the Bible, not the moon god of pagan Mecca. They even point out that Arabic Christian Bibles use "Allah" to refer to God. The "Allah" in the Arabic Christian Bibles is literally "the God" and does refer to the God of the Bible. Advise Muslims that if this is really the God they are worshipping, then they should stop bowing down to a meteorite five times a day and the crescent moon should neither start their "holy" month nor top their mosques. If the "Allah" they are worshipping is genuinely the God of the Bible, then they should worship Him as the Bible instructs. |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by sonmvayina(m): 3:40pm On Oct 25, 2018*. Modified: 3:59pm On Oct 25, 2018 |
Yes, somebody finally gets it... Allah was already worshipped before Muhammad was born as his father's name is Abdullah which means servant of Allah... There is no tradition or prophesy written or oral that suggests that Allah will raise a prophet.. none.. So why will he just come from no where and claim prophetship... Same rope also ties the figure at the centre of Christianity.. There is just no where it says in the old testament that the Messiah was coming to die for sin or that he would be a demi God.. No where.. Why would God go against his words? These 2 religions are just for population control and to me are both bad fruits from the same evil tree... |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by Originakalokalo(m): 4:06pm On Oct 25, 2018 |
sonmvayina:Really? Ignorance. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. Isaiah 53 vs 5. He was wounded for our sins... His name is God... " For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9: 6) The name of a son is called EVERLASTING FATHER.. AND ALMIGHTY GOD... This is a prophecy that came to pass after hundreds of years... We serve a living God.. The message of the Bible is simple... It's central theme is SERVING GOD IN HOLINESS THROUGH THE BLOOD OF JESUS... THIS IS SALVATION.. ANY OTHER WAY LEADS TO DESTRUCTION. |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by mujahid777(m): 4:09pm On Oct 25, 2018 |
This moon god joke of a narrative is actually xtianity's best(least inane) argument so far for 1400 years. Lol |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by OnyeOGA(op): 4:15pm On Oct 25, 2018 |
sonmvayina:I overheard that christianity started at the era of byzantine which was later hijacked by Romans. Check the way the first Church on earth worship. They worship according to Roman culture and tradition. If care is not taken, Christians may be worshipping zeus. What baffles me is why the son of God is given a Latin name instead of Jewish name. |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by Seun(mod): 4:24pm On Oct 25, 2018*. Modified: 10:25pm On Oct 25, 2018 |
It is unremarkable that the Muslim religion borrowed some elements of the Arab polytheistic beliefs that preceded it. Many religion have done this in order to be more marketable. In Acts 17, Apostle Paul claimed that an “unknown god” that some Athenians were worshipping Here in Nigeria, Yoruba Christians say that the God of the Bible is the same as Olorun and Oludumare in Yoruba mythology (even though they reject the stories told about them in the myths). This makes the transition from paganism to Christianity smoother for Yoruba traditionalists. Even the Jewish Bible, the Old Testament, borrows some elements of the polytheistic beliefs that So let’s free the Muslims. If we accept that Jews and Christians worship the one true God who (allegedly) created and controls everything that exists, we should not find it difficult to accept that Muslims worship that same God. Whether that God actually exists is a different matter. |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by CodeTemplar: 4:28pm On Oct 25, 2018 |
sonmvayina:Your ignorance on subjects you parade as knowledgeable about is appalling at best. Do you believe in spirit or the spiritual realm existence? |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by OnyeOGA(op): 4:30pm On Oct 25, 2018 |
Originakalokalo:you are just a big joke. |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by OnyeOGA(op): 4:32pm On Oct 25, 2018 |
Seun:funny guy |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by OnyeOGA(op): 4:41pm On Oct 25, 2018 |
Seun:funny dude. Am a pure traditionalist. Both Christianity and Islam are two religions on earth that has subdued unbelievers to worship their God. The question that the African muslims and christians should be asking themselves is "how did christianity and Islam approach africa?" In the northern part of Nigeria for example Islam never existed till the Fulanis waged war against the Hausas. Likewise, the southern part of Nigeria which similar thing was done by the british in order for them to bring in Christianity. |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by Originakalokalo(m): 5:23pm On Oct 25, 2018 |
OnyeOGA:Ignorance. Jesus is Greek and Yehoshua is Hebrew... The gentiles accepted the Gospel of Jesus greatly... while very few Jews did... that is why most of the New Testament were written in Greek. Jesus is used in English. jesu is used in Yoruba. The power in the name depends on who calls it. That explains why the seven sons of sceva called the name Jesus and we're attacked by the demons Jesus is the way... He said.... Anyone who doesn't believe in the son of God IS CONDEMNED ALREADY . you don't need to wait for the judgement day... You know where you belong already. Accept Jesus and be saved from eternal condemnation. |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by Originakalokalo(m): 5:23pm On Oct 25, 2018 |
OnyeOGA:Thanks. |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by Originakalokalo(m): 5:54pm On Oct 25, 2018*. Modified: 11:54am On Oct 26, 2018 |
Seun:Wrong!! !!!!!!!! The Athens, after worshiping all the gods they could think of, ERECTED AN ALTAR.. and inscribed on it.. TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.. There is no place in the scriptures where a statue or idol was used to represent this unknown God in that passage of the Bible... Besides, if it was a statue, apostle Paul wouldn't dare compare God to a statue. It baffles me to know that you can go to this length. You also said that the ANCIENT JEWS borrowed some polytheistic belief before they become monotheistic.. That is a lie from the hottest part of a burning hell. Who is a Jew? A Jew is Someone from the tribe of Judah plus some benjamites and some Levites. These tribes are from Jacob, who served God almighty.. Jacob is from Isaac who served the almighty God.. Isaac is from Abraham who served the almighty God.. There was no time when THE JEWS were polytheistic. God will have mercy on you. lastly, The muslims and the Christians serve the same God... That is a lie. God of the Christians affirmed that Jesus is his begotten son.. Allah said he has no son... Mode of worship, believes and doctrines are entirely different... Obviously, Allah and Yahweh are not the same. Look at this : " I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. " (John 5: 43) Who did the Jews received more than Jesus?... 20 percent of the Jews are muslims. Apart from Judaism, Islam is next accepted. This person is a HE. and HE COMES IN HIS OWN NAME. It means no one sent him. Jesus is specific here that the father did not send him.. But he will gain acceptance. God sent Jesus. Allah sent Mohammed. |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by Originakalokalo(m): 10:10pm On Oct 25, 2018 |
Jesus is the way to heaven. God cannot behold sin. It takes the blood of Jesus Christ to be sinless. No sinner shall see God.. Believe in Jesus and follow his teaching.. He asks us to be holy, merciful and loving. But a child of God is someone who is aware of the cleansing power of Jesus and yet strive to live a holy life... He doesn't want to commit sin... and if he as a flesh mistakenly fall into sin, the blood of Jesus cleans it up... In the sight of God, he remains sinless. NO WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS CAN STAND BEFORE GOD... EXCEPT BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB. |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by Seun(mod): 10:19pm On Oct 25, 2018 |
Originakalokalo:Apologies for being lazy. Yes, it was an altar, and there is no explicit mention of a statue. So some of the Athenians were worshipping an unknown God and Paul incorporated the unknown God into his gospel message, implying that the unknown God they were worshiping was the same as the God of Christianity. This made it easier for them to accept the gospel. Is that a fair interpretation? You also said that the ANCIENT JEWS borrowed some polytheistic belief before they become monotheistic..Another lazy mistake, which I apologize for. What I meant to imply is that the ancestors of the Jews (Hebrews and/or Israelites) were polytheistic, and elements of their beliefs were incorporated into Judaism. Is this something that we can agree on? If you look at deliverance ministries in Nigeria, they have incorporated traditional beliefs about “marine spirits”, “spiritual spouses”, etc into their flavor of the gospel. This happens all the time in religion. lastly, The muslims and the Christians serve the same God... That is a lie.Agreed. That’s not what I was trying to say. It didn’t come out right. By the way, Yahweh is more similar to Allah than to the Christian God. Yahweh is one. Allah is one. The Christian God is 3. The Muslims probably got the idea of the one God from Jews. Religions have always borrowed popular ideas from each other and continue to do so. Where do you think the Christian practice of speaking in tongues came from? Certainly not Jesus, who said “do not babble like the pagans” |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by Moveonmax: 11:17pm On Oct 25, 2018 |
And how exactly does the Bible instruct us to worship God ? |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by Originakalokalo(m): 11:25pm On Oct 25, 2018 |
Seun:The Athens built a lot of statues for all the gods they have known and erected an altar for any other god whose form they didn’t know. Paul saw that and built on that existing theory. This makes his argument flow through. It is a strategy…..i will agree with you on this… Judaism is Abrahamic religion and Torah is the foundation. The Torah are the five books (Genesis to deutronomy), the books of the prophets (Isaiah, Daniel, jeremaiah, etc. ) the book of psalms, and the history of the judges… it is basically the Christians old testament with some other books. God gave moses those instructions on how to worship him plus some laws and principles. God wouldn’t have copied a pagan practice. Yes, Abraham had a pagan history, he did not write the laws and levite practices for Israel. Moses did. God gave him. mark 16 vs 17....this sign shall follow them that believe....they shall speak with new tongues....the disciples spoke with new tongues on the day of pentecost...AS THE SPIRIT GIVES THEM UTTERANCE. .....SOME SPOKE IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE, THAT ARE KNOWN...OTHERS IN A COMPLETE UNKNOWN TONGUE AS MENTIONED BY PAUL......DONT FORGET....AS THE SPIRIT GIVES THEM UTTERANCE. |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by Originakalokalo(m): 11:26pm On Oct 25, 2018 |
We don’t serve 3 Gods.God almighty is one. He is invincible. Jesus is the physical form of God, begotten by God as his son. Jesus is someone that can be seen, the image of God. I hope you remember how jesus was formed in the womb of Mary?..He just appeared in the womb. No process formed him. If you know me before and hear my voice, you will place an identity and a personality on that voice..I am not God. The nature of God is such that his word formed jesus. The holy spirit is the spirit of God. God’s nature is not the same as man…let me show you why… God himself is a spirit, invincible….yet he has a spirit. That’s the complexity of God’s nature. Man is made in the image of God…Body , soul and spirit. You see the body(jesus is the flesh) ..the soul and spirit are unseen..(God and his spirit) Water exists in three different forms…(solid) Ice…liquid(water) and gas (steam)…they are all the same, just that they exist in 3 different forms. The egg shell is physically seen..the flesh...Jesus. The yoke and the egg white are inside it, unseen from the outside….God and his spirit In summary, God is unseen. His visible version is Jesus. The holy spirit is his spirit. Still One God. The fact that you don’t understand the concept of trinity does not make it false. I might not be able to explain to your satisfaction…the complexity of God’s nature make it so. |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by enilove(m): 11:40pm On Oct 25, 2018*. Modified: 11:57am On Oct 26, 2018 |
Seun:The devil is not foolish , he paints black white and white to be black. It is left for the wise to find his way . The Original is always before the fake. Islam is a fake. The devil used Muhammad to create Islam , nothing more nothing less. When GBENGA Adeboye the comedian died , he was sent back to life with a message that Christianity is the way , but majority could not decode his message . The book of Revelation in the Bible was written about 2000 years ago when there was no Banking system . It says in : Revelation 13:16-17 KJV And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: [17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. This was a message b4 the advent of computer and before the discovery of finger print and the retina as the best form of biometrics. Either of the two would be where the computer chips would be implanted in the human body. For example the Obama health care bill stipulated that recipients of the facility would be implanted with the chips in their forehead of in their palms. That is a test run. Gradually the world is moving into the era of a cashless system and ATM cards would soon be discarded and people will be implanted with those chips that will be a mark of the beast , without which they will not have access to their funds or money. This is unfolding in this generation and the ignorant majority will call it "technology" . The Bible warned us to beware. Also , the God that could divided a sea for hours to make a way of escape for the Israelites is a God indeed : Exodus 14:13-16,21,29-31 KJV And Moses said unto the people, Fear ye not, stand still, and see the salvation of the Lord , which he will shew to you to day: for the Egyptians whom ye have seen to day, ye shall see them again no more for ever. [14] The Lord shall fight for you, and ye shall hold your peace. [15] And the Lord said unto Moses, Wherefore criest thou unto me? speak unto the children of Israel, that they go forward: [16] But lift thou up thy rod, and stretch out thine hand over the sea, and divide it: and the children of Israel shall go on dry ground through the midst of the sea. [21] And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land , and the waters were divided. [29] But the children of Israel walked upon dry land in the midst of the sea; and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left. [30] Thus the Lord saved Israel that day out of the hand of the Egyptians; and Israel saw the Egyptians dead upon the sea shore. [31] And Israel saw that great work which the Lord did upon the Egyptians: and the people feared the Lord , and believed the Lord , and his servant Moses. DON'T BE DECEIVED , ISLAM IS FALSE AND THE ALLAH IS NOT DIFFERENT FROM THE GODDESS ALLAT IN SAUDI ARABIA . |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by Originakalokalo(m): 11:53pm On Oct 25, 2018 |
Moveonmax:You cannot worship God without believing in the son of God.. " And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. " (John 6: 40) This is the will of the father... to believe in the son. This is the reason : It is the Holy Spirit of God that makes serving God possible.... and easier... He dwells in you and take over your life, he subdues the flesh and take over your thoughts.. the will of God becomes your will... and You just want to serve God... But the Holy Spirit won't live in you if you don't believe the son Jesus....this is because you are not pure to host him..the blood of Jesus makes you pure to house the Holy Spirit... and if you don't believe the son Jesus, the blood is not available for you. Because of your flesh, It is impossible to serve God without the Holy Spirit. To serve God, you need to believe the son first. |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by Moveonmax: 11:56pm On Oct 25, 2018 |
Originakalokalo:After that? |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by Originakalokalo(m): 12:02am On Oct 26, 2018 |
Moveonmax:The Holy Spirit then enables you to live a holy life.. He keeps subduing the flesh until it "dies" You no longer obey the flesh .. No lust, no immorality, no lies, no hatred.. No stealing.. You don't hold grudges, you are not covetous.. etc.. It takes time... but with his help, you will get there if you listen to him. This is serving God... and Jesus said... He will raise you up on the last day... Regardless of the type of death you die.. You will live again. |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by Moveonmax: 12:07am On Oct 26, 2018 |
Originakalokalo:Interesting. If I get you right, you're impying Holy life= Worship |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by Originakalokalo(m): 12:37am On Oct 26, 2018 |
Moveonmax:Serving God is obeying his instructions.. and obeying his instructions is the true worship ... You do that by living a holy life with the help of the Holy Spirit.. The hour comes and now is when the true worshipers will worship God IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH... |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by Moveonmax: 12:38am On Oct 26, 2018 |
Originakalokalo:I get your drift. God help us all. |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by Originakalokalo(m): 12:39am On Oct 26, 2018 |
Then you can worship him in songs and thanksgiving. and he will inhabits your praise ...... |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by Originakalokalo(m): 12:39am On Oct 26, 2018 |
Moveonmax:Yeah. Everyone of us. |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by Moveonmax: 12:42am On Oct 26, 2018 |
Originakalokalo:Yeah. But then I have a question. Rn, I'm forced to a vigil cos churchgoers won't stop chanting. Is their vigil part of the Holy life? |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by Moveonmax: 12:44am On Oct 26, 2018 |
Originakalokalo:OK. |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by Nobody: 5:08am On Oct 26, 2018 |
Oga seun your knowledge of the Bible outsmart that of the atheism you profess. |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by Originakalokalo(m): 5:12am On Oct 26, 2018 |
Moveonmax:Vigil is a means of gathering together. ..However, the fact that I attend church programs does not mean I am holy. Holiness is doing the things of the spirit.. and neglecting the works of the flesh . |
| Re: Is "Allah" The Moon God? by CodeTemplar: 6:32am On Oct 26, 2018 |
Originakalokalo:Holiness vs Uprightness, what's the difference. also righteousness. |
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