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Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by adikayci: 9:39am On Oct 29, 2018
MetaPhysical:
PDP went from $35billion in 2010 to $67.7billion in 2014. This is almost 100% debt increment in one term. Where did 32.7billion dollars go?
They shared it!
At least we see where the money enter, including these projects APC is commissioning now

https://www.proshareng.com/news/Nigeria%20Economy/Lagos-State-Has-the-Highest-Foreign-and-Domestic-Debts-as-at-June-2017/36409
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by Bizibi(m): 9:40am On Oct 29, 2018
Govs,govs and govs....
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by Buterflyle0: 9:41am On Oct 29, 2018
jmaine:
How can I understand your non-sense. Am amazed you actually believe your tripe is worth understanding.

What a loss.
What you are exhibiting is called denial syndrome. I understand cheesy
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by jmaine: 9:42am On Oct 29, 2018
Buterflyle0:
What you are exhibiting is called denial syndrome. I understand cheesy
Okay.
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by GoodGovernance: 9:43am On Oct 29, 2018
Buterflyle0:
Are APC and APGA governors governing another state OUTSIDE of Nigeria?

Does the different party affiliation mean they are no longer a part of Nigeria?

You are the one clearly confused
The guy is a confusion agent.

The explanation by PYO was to clarify the evil,lies and propaganda by PDP,that the APC government has put Nigeria into N20trillion(about $70b) debt.
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by Nobody: 9:43am On Oct 29, 2018
deji17:
FACT-CHECK: How accurate is Osinbajo’s claim on Nigeria’s debt profile

The Vice President, Yemi Osinbajo, on Saturday, October 27, said Nigeria’s debt was $73 billion, a $10 billion increase from $63 billion the present administration inherited in 2015.

He made the disclosure in Ibadan on Saturday during the 9th Public Lecture of Sigma Club at the International Conference Centre, University of Ibadan.

THE CLAIM
“In 2010 our debt was $35 billion, $41 billion in 2011, $48 billion in 2012, $64 billion in 2013, $67.7 billion in 2014, $63.8 billion in 2015, $57.8 billion in 2016, $70 billion in 2017 and $73 billion in 2018.

“The nation’s debt as at today was $73 billion, an increment of $10 billion from the $63 billion inherited in 2015,”

VERIFICATION OF CLAIM
To verify the claim, PREMIUM TIMES and Dubawa, used data from the Debt Management Office (DMO), the agency officially responsible for managing Nigeria’s debt.

According to the DMO, as at June 2015, the external debt of the Federal Government of Nigeria (FGN) and the 36 states was $10.316 billion; domestic debt (FGN only) was $42.633 billion while domestic debt of states was $10.856 billion. These give a total public debt of $63.806 billion as at June 2015.

Also, according to the same document from Debt Management Office, the total public debt as at June 2018 stood at $73.207 billion with breakdown as follows: federal government and the 36 states owed $22.083 billion, domestic debt (FGN Only) was $39.749 billion and total domestic debt of states and the FCT stood at $11.374 billion.

Further analysis of Nigeria’s debt also revealed that in 2012, Nigeria’s debt was $48.496 billion; in 2013, it was $64.509 billion; in 2014, it was $67.726 billion; in 2016, it stood at $57.391 billion; and as at December 31, 2017, the total debt was $70.999 Billion

These official figures tally with those quoted by the vice president who said “In 2010 our debt was $35 billion, $41 billion in 2011, $48 billion in 2012, $64 billion in 2013, $67.7 billion in 2014, $63.8 billion in 2015, $57.8 billion in 2016, $70 billion in 2017 and $73 billion in 2018.”

There was no available record on the website of the Debt Management Office for 2010 and 2011; so it is difficult to verify Mr Osinbajo’s debt figures for those two years.



However, going by available data on public debt from 2012 till date, the total debt of the country in 2015 was $63.806 billion while the current debt figure as at June 2018 stood at $73.207 billion. Both are same as the figures quoted by the vice president on Saturday.

Therefore, the claim by the vice president that the Buhari administration has increased the nation’s debt by $10 billion from $63 billion it inherited in 2015 is TRUE.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/293012-fact-check-how-accurate-is-osinbajos-claim-on-nigerias-debt-profile.html
Stop fooooooooling ur self unnecessarily.



Buhari has increased Nigeria's debt by only 10 billion dollars.

But that doesn't mean that he hasn't borrowed 30 billion dollars in 3 years with absolutely nothing to show for it.

The remaining 20 billion dollars debt borrowed by buhari is already been deducted monthly because we service those debts, These funds are deducted automatically.
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by waveman2: 9:46am On Oct 29, 2018
People should stop talking like illiterates.when osibanjo made this statement the question should have been what components made up for the debts both foriegn and local debts for both federal and states. As we, ve always know Lagos to have the highest debt profile but the argument was,what are they using the money for? Even the US borrow in trillions of dollars and it's a known fact so all this politicians should stop talking as if they, really talking to illiterates.
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by Doyin2(m): 9:51am On Oct 29, 2018
PrecisionFx:
Stop fooooooooling ur self unnecessarily.



Buhari has increased Nigeria's debt by only 10 billion dollars.

But that doesn't mean that he hasn't borrowed 30 billion dollars in 3 years with absolutely nothing to show for it.

The remaining 20 billion dollars debt borrowed by buhari is already been deducted monthly because we service those debts, These funds are deducted automatically.
You are not only the fool,your brain also needs a reset.

Oh my God,how can someone be this daft?
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by Nobody: 9:57am On Oct 29, 2018
Buterflyle0:
Are APC and APGA governors governing another state OUTSIDE of Nigeria?

Does the different party affiliation mean they are no longer a part of Nigeria?

You are the one clearly confused
I think you're the one pretending like you don't understand the polity of Nigeria and the purpose of the statement by the VP. Your head is living in deceit so I rather not waste much time on you
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by Temple1288(m): 10:02am On Oct 29, 2018
deji17:
He was a member. You cannot deny him membership. But he was not the President or the VP . These are the key people running the affairs of the Govt.
50% of APC members are former Govs, and party members of the PDP. The Sixteen years PDP wanted to suck Nigeria dry harboured Rotimi Amechi, Orji Uzor Kalu, Godswill Akpabio and the rest of them.

Have you heard about buying an item from someone you know as a thief?
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by Buterflyle0: 10:19am On Oct 29, 2018
nineone:
I think you're the one pretending like you don't understand the polity of Nigeria and the purpose of the statement by the VP. Your head is living in deceit so I rather not waste much time on you
Genetically Deceitful soul such as you are wants to claim I being deceitful.

Wail me an ocean
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by Nobody:
ican2020:
the VP is a certified lier.
the only thing APC does well is to borrow and borrow, so, Monkey VP should shut up
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by Nobody: 10:22am On Oct 29, 2018
Doyin2:
You are not only the fool,your brain also needs a reset.

Oh my God,how can someone be this daft?
Exactly the kind of response generated by brainless people. U absolutely said nothing, What an empty post.
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by plaetton: 11:17am On Oct 29, 2018
MetaPhysical:
PDP went from $35billion in 2010 to $67.7billion in 2014. This is almost 100% debt increment in one term. Where did 32.7billion dollars go?
They shared it!
This slowpoke doesn't understand what debt is and what role it plays in the economy.

Every nation , even rich nations borrow to stimulate economic growth. The theory is that a GDP increment of say $1Tr or even half a $Trillion would more than compensate for the mere $35b in additional debt.
In fact, in the early days of this administration, the former finance minister Kemi Adeosun is on record as stating that Nigeria's Debt to GDP profile was quite low. She was using that as a justification for Nigeria to borrow more money to fund the government.
It is on record that the period between 2010 - 2015 recorded unprecedented economic expansion in Nigeria.
Borrowing without commensurate economic expansion is what they call the Debt Trap. And this is where we are right now, and it doesn't look any brighter unless a new vision is thrust into the economic management of Nigeria.
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by uba1991: 12:23pm On Oct 29, 2018
ipob trying to put a weaklin like ATIKU so dat they can b able to defeat nigeria. they know that defeating a strong, gallant general like BUHARI is imposible, thus, the hatrate for PMB
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by Kennydoc(m): 12:24pm On Oct 29, 2018
life2017:
Why Nigerians will be making a big mistake by making 2019 voting decision base on current Hardship under PMB

Jonathan PDP Govt 2010 to 2014

Oil Revenue $381 billion dollars.

Debt increased by $29 billion (From $35bn to $64bn)

Reserves dropped by $6bn ($36bn to $30bn in May 2015)

There was increase in enjoyment due to promotion of consumption and free money.

Buhari APC govt 2015 to 2018.

Oil revenue $112billlion dollars.

Debt Increased by $10billion dollars ($63bn to $73bn)

Federal Reserves increased by $12billion dollars ($30bn in 2015 to about $42bn in 2018)

There is relative increase in hardship due to less free money, relatively less focus on consumption despite low revenue and some focus on capital expenditure.

As a neutral Observer
which of the two above is better in terms of fiscal reaponsibility?.

Main Source of data:

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/292875-nigerias-debt-only-increased-10-billion-since-buhari-assumed-office-osinbajo.html

https://tradingeconomics.com/nigeria/foreign-exchange-reserves


The cry of hardship has not been looked into Objectively.

A drop of oil Revenue from $381bn to $112bn cannot be replaced with magic.

Actually PMB govt has done well with the level of hardship we have today. With the drop in oil revenue shown above, I expected the hardship to be much more than it is today.

One of the reason the hardship is not much relative to drop in revenue is because alot of the money from oil boom during Jonathan era were spent abroad buying houses in dubai, US, Canada etc. Hence the hardship is less compared to the drop in oil revenue because a good portion of the money was not in Nigeria economy.

A drop from $381bn to $112bn is a drop of around $269bn . With our current Fed Govt budget of around $30bn( 9trillion Naira), that drop is equivalent to about 9 years of federal govt Budget.

For those who like comparing with Obj govt.

The govt of IBB, Abacha and Abdusalam from 1990 to 1998 only earn $120bn dollar from oil

Obj/Yar adua from 1999 to 2009 earned $481bn due to higher oil production and increasing price. Nigeria just started deep water oil production during Obj. Hence increased volume of oil export. Currently many of those oil fields( Akpo, Usan, Agbami, Bonga) are producing about 70% or less of thier initial capacity. During Obj, most of the foreign sanction impose on Nigeria by US, UN and EU because of Abacha millitary govt were removed. Higher oil revenue and Sanction relief created the economic improvement under Obj.

And again Nigeria population has almost doubled. From 120million in 1999 to about 200million today with declining resources (oil).

Ngozi Nkonjo Iweala understood how Nigeria economy solely depend on oil price. That was why during Q3 2014 when oil price drop from 100 dollar to 70 dollars, she was already warning us to prepare for recession in 2015. She was already borrowing to pay salary in Q4 2014. During Buhari govt, oil price dropped as much as 28dollars per barrel at its worst though averaged 40 dollars with reduced oil production.

We need aggressive diversification of the economy.
When you compare how much dollar exchanged to Naira under Jonathan and how much it is under Buhari, you will realise Jonathan's government earned just a little more than Buhari in Naira. We spend our earnings in Naira not dollars. Salaries of workers and other recurrent expenditures haven't increased since the time of Jonathan as there is no minimum wage increase so far.
Also, you need to remember how much petrol sold under Jonathan. Do you know how much Buhari would have spent by now to keep petrol at ₦87 per litre? I tell you that petroleum subsidy under Jonathan's government was a major issue that massively depleted our savings. We know how much Buhari still spends on subsidy despite increasing petrol to ₦145 per litre.
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by busuyhi(m): 1:39pm On Oct 29, 2018
sincerely i always feel sorry for people talking about atikulating cos they dhon't know what they are saying, if u run through the statistics u would see the present administration have done better than the past despite the fall in oil
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by NairaMaster1(m): 2:25pm On Oct 29, 2018
ADMAF:
If u have evidence against them, why dont you blow d whistle, u obviously are privy to some pretty valuable info. If not, please drop sentiments and hear say!
Hahahaha! Usual zombie language.

You forgot Akpabio is in court?

You also forgot a River state judicial panel indicated Amaechi and submitted the report to EFCC?

What of the evidence against Fayaemi that was submitted to EFCC by the house of assembly?

Just understand that as far as you're in any government; PDP, APGA, SDP you're untouchable, Simple.
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by Mangreat034(m): 3:36pm On Oct 29, 2018
Buterflyle0:
You cannot separate the states on party grounds when the people in those States ARE NIGERIANS.

Is this too hard to understand?
then they should stop blaming the debt on pdp, afterall they are still part of the system
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by Buterflyle0: 3:39pm On Oct 29, 2018
Mangreat034:
then they should stop blaming the debt on pdp, afterall they are still part of the system
Wrong the blame goes to the PDP GOVERNMENT as the supervising government over everyone else
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by farem: 4:37pm On Oct 29, 2018
ican2020:
the VP is a certified lier.
the only thing APC does well is to borrow and borrow, so, Monkey VP should shut up
What you are spewing is right from the medulla of d wild gorilla. Your , statistical, spiritual, physical, social eyes and ears are all gone off!
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by Akanapiaigwe: 5:03pm On Oct 29, 2018
IrokoOluwere:
Go to hell!
Ipob
mynd44 lalasticlala seun obinoscopy
rule 2
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by Boyooosa(m): 6:34pm On Oct 29, 2018
jmaine:
Not when the corrupt file has some salvageable properties.

Moreover, get involved at the politics at your ward level to influence the way forward in the future. We can all stay and aloof and watch things remain the same.
Mw, the bad cell is also retrievable; that is if me n you are ready to replace both with refreshed system.
Lets make the good options more popular, we can both do it! Instead of canvassing vote for one of the 2 bad options... Other candidates are there, lying down hopelessly idle, they are trying tho but they wont get popular even come 2023 if we continue chanting Atikulate as if he is a better evil! get it right!
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by itchie: 2:13am On Oct 30, 2018
Uglymugg:
He calls fact checking copy copy. grin if you check now, this one is also a graduate from Nigerian Uni. Pdp really damaged Nigeria.
Get lost dumbo, when did Nigerian news sites start fact checking? They just copied it because it is trending in the US media
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by bluke(m): 2:30am On Oct 30, 2018
deji17:
He was a member. You cannot deny him membership. But he was not the President or the VP . These are the key people running the affairs of the Govt.
You remember Buharis' wife comment sometimes ago,
the govt had been hijacked by some people, they (APC) do no know.
You can see them all back in PDP, all fighting to get to Aso rock
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by Dtribeless: 2:39am On Oct 30, 2018
I believe the below more than the VP.

https://tradingeconomics.com/nigeria/external-debt

Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by MetaPhysical: 2:46am On Oct 30, 2018
adikayci:
At least we see where the money enter, including these projects APC is commissioning now

https://www.proshareng.com/news/Nigeria%20Economy/Lagos-State-Has-the-Highest-Foreign-and-Domestic-Debts-as-at-June-2017/36409
PDP is incompetent.
In government we expect a succeeding administration to review the works left uncompleted by its predecessor and prioritize them for completion. This is Best Practice! APC knows this because, unlike PDP, it is serious about government business. PDP should never contend with APC and fight for credit for project completion, never! They are not PDP projects....they are national projects. But because you go into government with intent to loot...the only thing that occupy your mind is loopholes for stealing money. When the loop hole is blocked you become a spoiler on national news, trying to discredit APC, the task manager that steps in and show responsibility and accountability.

I will repeat, PDP is exponentially incompetent in all ramifications!
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by MetaPhysical: 2:54am On Oct 30, 2018
plaetton:
This slowpoke doesn't understand what debt is and what role it plays in the economy.

Every nation , even rich nations borrow to stimulate economic growth. The theory is that a GDP increment of say $1Tr or even half a $Trillion would more than compensate for the mere $35b in additional debt.
In fact, in the early days of this administration, the former finance minister Kemi Adeosun is on record as stating that Nigeria's Debt to GDP profile was quite low. She was using that as a justification for Nigeria to borrow more money to fund the government.
It is on record that the period between 2010 - 2015 recorded unprecedented economic expansion in Nigeria.
Borrowing without commensurate economic expansion is what they call the Debt Trap. And this is where we are right now, and it doesn't look any brighter unless a new vision is thrust into the economic management of Nigeria.
Forget about projections and theories. Where did over $32billion go? If you have the projects to show for it, please bring it on. We are in age of online and cloud archiving, record keeping did not stop in 2010 and resumed in 2015. Show me the money...!
Re: FACT-CHECK: How Accurate Is Osinbajo’s Claim On Nigeria’s Debt Profile by Uglymugg: 8:27am On Nov 01, 2018
itchie:
Get lost dumbo, when did Nigerian news sites start fact checking? They just copied it because it is trending in the US media
lol
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