Billions of Catholics worship, venerate & adore Mary yet many of them do not know the history or the real identity of the personality called Mary.

In Paganism, ancient Egyptain and European religeons the worship of the goddess of fertility, motherhood and magic was highly celeberated she was conferred with several titles and names like ,The divine one,Virgin Mother,Mother of God,The Queen of Heaven,Queen of all Gods,The maker of Sunrise.
In Egyptian literature she was called ISIS or Athor, Virgo,Deipara in Tibet and China, as Hestia or Athena in Greece & Juno or Dove in Rome . she was known as the goddess with ten thousand names.
During the reign of Constantine when Rome(Seat of Catholic Church) was converting from paganism to Christainity Mary the mother of Jesus Christ was chosen as the Subsitute for the Mother goddess, pagans and Christains continued there prayers and devotion to the The Mother goddess which was rebranded as Mary to appeal to the Christains.this doctrine was enacted by the Catholic Church at the council of Ephesus in 431AD.
Among the early Christains and Apostles the worship of any diety or Mother goddess was totally forbidden  no where in the Bible are Christains taught to pray worship or venerate any other person than God or Jesus
  The Queen of Heaven mentioned in the Bible was not Mary but a goddess who  was worshipped and venerated by the Israelities.
Rather than be a blessing  the worship of the Queen of Heaven provoked God to anger. Jeremiah  7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
It was becos of this Sin that God castout all the Children of Judah and destoryed Jerusalem, jeremiah44:1-end especially verse17.
If God regarded it as sin then he still regards it as sin today becos  he says in Malachi  3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not;
God is a jealous God, he cannot share his glory with anyone that includes the Pope,Mary,Saints,or Queen of Heaven Isaiah42:8 “I am the Lord; that is my name;
my glory I give to no other…”

The bible is explictly clear on the issue of worship and prayer to God  only in the name of  Jesus Christ are we expected to pray.
Even Angels refused to recieve worship in the bible, it was Satan's desire to share or recieve God's worship that lead to the Beginning of war in Heaven Isaiah14:13 & Ezekiel28:18.

In matthew2:11
And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped HIM: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.

From the above bible verse we can see that The Wise men from the East worshipped only Jesus and not Mary.


Some false assumptions made by the Catholic Church about Mary.

Immaculate mother:Mary was a descendant of David she was born through the act of sexual intercourse and not by divine immaculate conception as Catholics present her to be therefore she has sin.
psalm 143:2 And do not enter into judgment with Your servant, For in Your sight no man living is righteous.
Job 25:4 How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?

Virgn mother: While Mary was a virgin before she was chosen by God as the mother of  Jesus Christ she don't remain a virgn forever, after the birth of Jesus  Mary had many other children with Joseph of course through sexual intercourse this means Mary did not die a virgin as Catholic protary her to be.
Matthew 12:46-47 , "While He was still speaking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. And someone said to Him, "Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You."

Matthew 13:55, "Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? "
Mark 6:2-3 , "And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue; and the many listeners were astonished, saying, "Where did this man get these things, and what is this wisdom given to Him, and such miracles as these performed by His hands? "Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon?Are not His sisters here with us?"

Holy Mother: Mary is viewed as an  intercessor,  When Jesus Christ taught  his disciples  how to  pray he told them clearly that prayers where to be made to his Father only through his name "Jesus Christ" and not through Mary or Saints. Jesus alone is our high priest.Heb7:21'John14:13' 1Timothy2:15



In Conclusion
While Catholics believe that they are honouring Mary the truth is that they are Worshipping the pagan mother goddess which has be rebranded as Mary and this is pure idolatry.

Thank you for reading this post.

OP God bless you... This knowledge of the truth has set u free. keep it up.

Bruno3000:
OP God bless you... This knowledge of the truth has set u free. keep it up.

Thank you.

Ubenedictus, solite3, Hundredfold4lif, Gggg102, UbiPetrus, KENFERDYOORI, budaatum, MuttleyLaff, Syncan

There's a difference between worship and veneration in context. Mary is venerated like other saints, only the Blessed Trinity is worshipped.

blueAgent:
Ubenedictus, solite3, Hundredfold4lif, Gggg102, UbiPetrus, KENFERDYOORI, budaatum, MuttleyLaff, Syncan

Isn't there a thread on here about Jesus being a pagan god? And one about even Yahweh wearing pagan clothes and being syncretised from various different gods? I feel someone would post me a link.

the immaculate conception refers to Jesus conception and birth. On the issue of mary having other children beside Christ, i wonder why Jesus will handover mary her mother to John his most beloved apostle as a caretaker. Donot allow sentiment cloud ur judgement. Salvation is an individual race. Run urs and leave catholics run theirs the way they want.

budaatum:

Isn't there a thread on here about Jesus being a pagan god? And one about even Yahweh wearing pagan clothes and being syncretised from various different gods? I feel someone would post me a link.

the op is just ignorant, there are several pagan stories that parallels the story of Jesus, certain pagan gods also have stories of coming to earth through a virgin and dying to save their people, in fact among the earliest people to recognise this was the early Christian Justin, the Christian story is similar to what several pagan gods were acclaimed to have done.


It is called the devils mimicry, nothing new there, does that mean that Jesus is a pagan deity adopted by the Christian churches? Nope. The devil already knew God's plan to redeem humanity, he simply mimicked it in certain aspects.

It is petty ignorance.

Kcgeology:
the immaculate conception refers to Jesus conception and birth.
On the issue of Mary having other children beside Christ,
I wonder why Jesus will handover Mary His mother to John, His most beloved apostle as a caretaker.
Do not allow sentiment cloud ur judgement. Salvation is an individual race.
Run urs and leave catholics run theirs the way they want.

"When Jesus' family heard what he was doing,
they thought he was crazy and went to get him under control."
- Mark 3:21

"For even His own brothers did not believe in Him."
- John 7:5

John from knowing the mind of Jesus,
is why he was qualified, more than anybody else, family or not, to be trusted with handing Mary over to

blueAgent:
Billions of Catholics worship, venerate & adore Mary yet many of them do not know the history or the real identity of the personality called Mary.

The Bible says thou shall not bear false witness dear.

Catholics have been consistent in insisting that Mary is simply human and should not be adored it is a sin called idolatry and any Catholic who holds such opinion is condemned by the church under anathema since that is a serious heresy.

In Paganism, ancient Egyptain and European religeons the worship of the goddess of fertility, motherhood and magic was highly celeberated she was conferred with several titles and names like ,The divine one,Virgin Mother,Mother of God,The Queen of Heaven,Queen of all Gods,The maker of Sunrise.
In Egyptian literature she was called ISIS or Athor, Virgo,Deipara in Tibet and China, as Hestia or Athena in Greece & Juno or Dove in Rome . she was known as the goddess with ten thousand names.

in ancient religion there are also gods called king of kings, Lord of lords, divine, savior, first and last, and several thousand names, that didn't stop Christians from using all those titles for Jesus, even many titles Yorubas use for Jesus comes from their local deities.

This appropriation is not new nor sinful, if false gods use a title the belongs to God we remove those titles from them, if false heroes take titles that grace have given to others, we removed the false heroes and give the titles to those who have been given the grace. It doesn't mean we worship false gods, instead we removed titles from false illusions and give it to those who deserve such either by nature or by grace.

During the reign of Constantine when Rome(Seat of Catholic Church) was converting from paganism to Christainity Mary the mother of Jesus Christ was chosen as the Subsitute for the Mother goddess, pagans and Christains continued there prayers and devotion to the The Mother goddess which was rebranded as Mary to appeal to the Christains.this doctrine was enacted by the Catholic Church at the council of Ephesus in 431AD.

This is an unfortunate lie,

The honor of Mary, the apostles and martyrs in the Christian churches was already a solid and clear practice even before the birth of Constantine or even his parents, so too the asking of their intercession.

The false story that it began during Constantine to merge other religions is a lie peddled by either those ignorant of the early church or out to deceive others.
In the early church even before Constantine Mary is referred to as the new Eve who rolls back the disobedience of the old Eve

"As Eve was seduced by the speech of an angel, so as to flee God in transgressing his word, so also Mary received the good tidings by means of the angel's speech, so as to be God within her, being obedient to this word. And though the one had disobeyed God, yet the other was drawn to obey him; that of the virgin Eve, the virgin Mary might become the advocate and as by a virgin the human race had been bound to death, by a virgin it is saved, the balance being preserved- a virgin's disobedience by a virgin' obedience." (Against Heresies, 3, 19 130 A.D

For whereas Eve, yet a virgin and undefiled, through conceiving the word that came from the serpent, brought forth disobedience and death; the Virgin Mary, taking faith and joy, when the Angel told her the good tidings that the Spirit of the Lord should come upon her, and the power of the Most High overshadow her, and therefore the Holy One to be born of her should be the Son of God, answered, Be it done to me according to thy word. And so by means of her was he born, concerning whom we have shown so many Scriptures were spoken; through whom God overthrows the serpent, and those angels and men who have become like to it, and on the other hand, works deliverance from death for such as repent of their evil doings and believe in him (Dialogue with Trypho, 100 A.D.)

Along with titles like mother of God, ever virgin, etc. Her intercession is requested even in the early church

We fly to your patronage, O holy Theotokos; despise not our petition in our necessities, but deliver us always from all dangers, O ever-glorious and blessed Virgin." 3rd century


Check all those dates, those are Christian leaders before Constantine.

Among the early Christains and Apostles the worship of any diety or Mother goddess was totally forbidden  no where in the Bible are Christains taught to pray worship or venerate any other person than God or Jesus

the worship of any deity is still prohibited in the Catholic church as it always was.

All scriptures are given by the inspiration of God... Including the Quran and every other spiritual books claiming to be from God.

Hogwash.

I stopped paying attention to all these protestants long ago, but as I keep ignoring them, they keep falling into disillusion, the problem being that they refuse to hear the truth till the extent that all they hear that hits the Catholic Church is sweet to their ears, they forget that, the church, has gone from one suffering period to another yet still stood strong is that not the grace of God.

Another that makes me laugh is that their founding fathers who protested against the Catholic Church held that MARY IS MOTHER OF GOD, how these new off springs came up with their own fallacy remains a mystery.

And for you people I shake my head, stop living in fallacy and come to the light.

The good thing is that all I'm those days were written and stored, who who have ears let them hear, you can spit upon the truth, smear it with dirt, the truth still remains the truth and those who know it hold it irrespective of what people think or say.

budaatum:

Isn't there a thread on here about Jesus being a pagan god? And one about even Yahweh wearing pagan clothes and being syncretised from various different gods? I feel someone would post me a link.

Having a thread on your claim does not make it true.

akeensbussy:
All scriptures are given by the inspiration of God... Including the Quran and every other spiritual books claiming to be from God.

Lie. only the Bible is God's inspired word.

Aizenosa:
I stopped paying attention to all these protestants long ago, but as I keep ignoring them, they keep falling into disillusion, the problem being that they refuse to hear the truth till the extent that all they hear that hits the Catholic Church is sweet to their ears, they forget that, the church, has gone from one suffering period to another yet still stood strong is that not the grace of God.

Another that makes me laugh is that their founding fathers who protested against the Catholic Church held that MARY IS MOTHER OF GOD, how these new off springs came up with their own fallacy remains a mystery.

And for you people I shake my head, stop living in fallacy and come to the light.

The good thing is that all I'm those days were written and stored, who who have ears let them hear, you can spit upon the truth, smear it with dirt, the truth still remains the truth and those who know it hold it irrespective of what people think or say.

Keep confusing yourself. how is Mary been Queen of Heaven truth?

Ubenedictus:
the op is just ignorant, there are several pagan stories that parallels the story of Jesus, certain pagan gods also have stories of coming to earth through a virgin and dying to save their people, in fact among the earliest people to recognise this was the early Christian Justin, the Christian story is similar to what several pagan gods were acclaimed to have done.


It is called the devils mimicry, nothing new there, does that mean that Jesus is a pagan deity adopted by the Christian churches? Nope. The devil already knew God's plan to redeem humanity, he simply mimicked it in certain aspects.

It is petty ignorance.

So how does that justify the worship and veneration of Mary?

blueAgent:



So how does that justify the worship and veneration of Mary?

adoration belongs to God ALONE, I don't give it to Mary or anyone.

The last time I checked a dictionary, to venerate means to show respect and or honor to a person or thing.

We respect our president, our parents, our elders, we show them honor? I believe the right question should be: why should I not respect the mother of my saviour, the obedient handmaiden of God, with whose agreement the incarnation was worth?

blueAgent:


Having a thread on your claim does not make it true.

Never said it was. Just there's other views, is all.

blueAgent:
Billions of Catholics worship, venerate & adore Mary yet many of them do not know the history or the real identity of the personality called Mary.

In Paganism, ancient Egyptain and European religeons the worship of the goddess of fertility, motherhood and magic was highly celeberated she was conferred with several titles and names like ,The divine one,Virgin Mother,Mother of God,The Queen of Heaven,Queen of all Gods,The maker of Sunrise.
In Egyptian literature she was called ISIS or Athor, Virgo,Deipara in Tibet and China, as Hestia or Athena in Greece & Juno or Dove in Rome . she was known as the goddess with ten thousand names.
During the reign of Constantine when Rome(Seat of Catholic Church) was converting from paganism to Christainity Mary the mother of Jesus Christ was chosen as the Subsitute for the Mother goddess, pagans and Christains continued there prayers and devotion to the The Mother goddess which was rebranded as Mary to appeal to the Christains.this doctrine was enacted by the Catholic Church at the council of Ephesus in 431AD.
Among the early Christains and Apostles the worship of any diety or Mother goddess was totally forbidden  no where in the Bible are Christains taught to pray worship or venerate any other person than God or Jesus
  The Queen of Heaven mentioned in the Bible was not Mary but a goddess who  was worshipped and venerated by the Israelities.
Rather than be a blessing  the worship of the Queen of Heaven provoked God to anger. Jeremiah  7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
It was becos of this Sin that God castout all the Children of Judah and destoryed Jerusalem, jeremiah44:1-end especially verse17.
If God regarded it as sin then he still regards it as sin today becos  he says in Malachi  3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not;
God is a jealous God, he cannot share his glory with anyone that includes the Pope,Mary,Saints,or Queen of Heaven Isaiah42:8 “I am the Lord; that is my name;
my glory I give to no other…”

The bible is explictly clear on the issue of worship and prayer to God  only in the name of  Jesus Christ are we expected to pray.
Even Angels refused to recieve worship in the bible, it was Satan's desire to share or recieve God's worship that lead to the Beginning of war in Heaven Isaiah14:13 & Ezekiel28:18.

In matthew2:11
And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped HIM: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.

From the above bible verse we can see that The Wise men from the East worshipped only Jesus and not Mary.


Some false assumptions made by the Catholic Church about Mary.

Immaculate mother:Mary was a descendant of David she was born through the act of sexual intercourse and not by divine immaculate conception as Catholics present her to be therefore she has sin.
psalm 143:2 And do not enter into judgment with Your servant, For in Your sight no man living is righteous.
Job 25:4 How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?

Virgn mother: While Mary was a virgin before she was chosen by God as the mother of  Jesus Christ she don't remain a virgn forever, after the birth of Jesus  Mary had many other children with Joseph of course through sexual intercourse this means Mary did not die a virgin as Catholic protary her to be.
Matthew 12:46-47 , "While He was still speaking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. And someone said to Him, "Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You."

Matthew 13:55, "Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? "
Mark 6:2-3 , "And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue; and the many listeners were astonished, saying, "Where did this man get these things, and what is this wisdom given to Him, and such miracles as these performed by His hands? "Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon?Are not His sisters here with us?"

Holy Mother: Mary is viewed as an  intercessor,  When Jesus Christ taught  his disciples  how to  pray he told them clearly that prayers where to be made to his Father only through his name "Jesus Christ" and not through Mary or Saints. Jesus alone is our high priest.Heb7:21'John14:13' 1Timothy2:15



In Conclusion
While Catholics believe that they are honouring Mary the truth is that they are Worshipping the pagan mother goddess which has be rebranded as Mary and this is pure idolatry.

Thank you for reading this post.

now that we know about the "catholic mary" like you said.. what can you teach us about the non-catholic mary.. Ode!

blueAgent:



So how does that justify the worship and veneration of Mary?

Do you worship Mary? Or where did you see a church purposefully Built for the WORSHIP of Mary? Ye must be kidding thyself.. I used to be Catholic.. but the worship of mary like you posit is a fallacy, unknown, foreign, and a stupid myopic allegation.

MuttleyLaff:
"When Jesus' family heard what he was doing,
they thought he was crazy and went to get him under control."
- Mark 3:21

"For even His own brothers did not believe in Him."
- John 7:5

John from knowing the mind of Jesus,
is why he was qualified, more than anybody else, family or not, to be trusted with handing Mary over to

I Concur 100%

Yale9:
now that we know about the "catholic mary" like you said.. what can you teach us about the non-catholic mary.. Ode!

You will find the true Mary in your Bible go and read it stop been a sheepie.

budaatum:
Never said it was. Just there's other views, is all.

Those other views are wrong.

Ubenedictus:



The Bible says thou shall not bear false witness dear.

Catholics have been consistent in insisting that Mary is simply human and should not be adored it is a sin called idolatry and any Catholic who holds such opinion is condemned by the church under anathema since that is a serious heresy.

in ancient religion there are also gods called king of kings, Lord of lords, divine, savior, first and last, and several thousand names, that didn't stop Christians from using all those titles for Jesus, even many titles Yorubas use for Jesus comes from their local deities.

This appropriation is not new nor sinful, if false gods use a title the belongs to God we remove those titles from them, if false heroes take titles that grace have given to others, we removed the false heroes and give the titles to those who have been given the grace. It doesn't mean we worship false gods, instead we removed titles from false illusions and give it to those who deserve such either by nature or by grace.





This is an unfortunate lie,

The honor of Mary, the apostles and martyrs in the Christian churches was already a solid and clear practice even before the birth of Constantine or even his parents, so too the asking of their intercession.

The false story that it began during Constantine to merge other religions is a lie peddled by either those ignorant of the early church or out to deceive others.
In the early church even before Constantine Mary is referred to as the new Eve who rolls back the disobedience of the old Eve

"As Eve was seduced by the speech of an angel, so as to flee God in transgressing his word, so also Mary received the good tidings by means of the angel's speech, so as to be God within her, being obedient to this word. And though the one had disobeyed God, yet the other was drawn to obey him; that of the virgin Eve, the virgin Mary might become the advocate and as by a virgin the human race had been bound to death, by a virgin it is saved, the balance being preserved- a virgin's disobedience by a virgin' obedience." (Against Heresies, 3, 19 130 A.D

For whereas Eve, yet a virgin and undefiled, through conceiving the word that came from the serpent, brought forth disobedience and death; the Virgin Mary, taking faith and joy, when the Angel told her the good tidings that the Spirit of the Lord should come upon her, and the power of the Most High overshadow her, and therefore the Holy One to be born of her should be the Son of God, answered, Be it done to me according to thy word. And so by means of her was he born, concerning whom we have shown so many Scriptures were spoken; through whom God overthrows the serpent, and those angels and men who have become like to it, and on the other hand, works deliverance from death for such as repent of their evil doings and believe in him (Dialogue with Trypho, 100 A.D.)

Along with titles like mother of God, ever virgin, etc. Her intercession is requested even in the early church

We fly to your patronage, O holy Theotokos; despise not our petition in our necessities, but deliver us always from all dangers, O ever-glorious and blessed Virgin." 3rd century


Check all those dates, those are Christian leaders before Constantine.
the worship of any deity is still prohibited in the Catholic church as it always was.

You lied the early Church never worshipped or venerated Mary.
In Acts 19:24 Paul condemed the Greeks for worshipping the goddess Diana which is another name for Queen of Heaven no where in the bible did Paul or any other the apostles ever give Mary any title lest of all venerate her. it was this same Diana that was rebranded as Mary


Acts 19:24
For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen; 19:25 Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth. 19:26 Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands: 19:27 So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth. 19:28 And when they heard these sayings, they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians. 19:29 And the whole city was filled with confusion: and having caught Gaius and Aristarchus, men of Macedonia, Paul's companions in travel, they rushed with one accord into the theatre. 19:30 And when Paul would have entered in unto the people, the disciples suffered him not.

Ubenedictus:



The Bible says thou shall not bear false witness dear.

Catholics have been consistent in insisting that Mary is simply human and should not be adored it is a sin called idolatry and any Catholic who holds such opinion is condemned by the church under anathema since that is a serious heresy.

in ancient religion there are also gods called king of kings, Lord of lords, divine, savior, first and last, and several thousand names, that didn't stop Christians from using all those titles for Jesus, even many titles Yorubas use for Jesus comes from their local deities.

This appropriation is not new nor sinful, if false gods use a title the belongs to God we remove those titles from them, if false heroes take titles that grace have given to others, we removed the false heroes and give the titles to those who have been given the grace. It doesn't mean we worship false gods, instead we removed titles from false illusions and give it to those who deserve such either by nature or by grace.





This is an unfortunate lie,

The honor of Mary, the apostles and martyrs in the Christian churches was already a solid and clear practice even before the birth of Constantine or even his parents, so too the asking of their intercession.

The false story that it began during Constantine to merge other religions is a lie peddled by either those ignorant of the early church or out to deceive others.
In the early church even before Constantine Mary is referred to as the new Eve who rolls back the disobedience of the old Eve

"As Eve was seduced by the speech of an angel, so as to flee God in transgressing his word, so also Mary received the good tidings by means of the angel's speech, so as to be God within her, being obedient to this word. And though the one had disobeyed God, yet the other was drawn to obey him; that of the virgin Eve, the virgin Mary might become the advocate and as by a virgin the human race had been bound to death, by a virgin it is saved, the balance being preserved- a virgin's disobedience by a virgin' obedience." (Against Heresies, 3, 19 130 A.D

For whereas Eve, yet a virgin and undefiled, through conceiving the word that came from the serpent, brought forth disobedience and death; the Virgin Mary, taking faith and joy, when the Angel told her the good tidings that the Spirit of the Lord should come upon her, and the power of the Most High overshadow her, and therefore the Holy One to be born of her should be the Son of God, answered, Be it done to me according to thy word. And so by means of her was he born, concerning whom we have shown so many Scriptures were spoken; through whom God overthrows the serpent, and those angels and men who have become like to it, and on the other hand, works deliverance from death for such as repent of their evil doings and believe in him (Dialogue with Trypho, 100 A.D.)

Along with titles like mother of God, ever virgin, etc. Her intercession is requested even in the early church

We fly to your patronage, O holy Theotokos; despise not our petition in our necessities, but deliver us always from all dangers, O ever-glorious and blessed Virgin." 3rd century


Check all those dates, those are Christian leaders before Constantine.
the worship of any deity is still prohibited in the Catholic church as it always was.

Stop been ingnorant even a when known occultists acknownledge that Mary in Catholism was there plan and agenda

Jones suggests that there is an "Hegelian
Dialectic to combine a form of Christianity as
thesis, with a pagan spiritualism as
antithesis, resulting in a synthesis very akin
to the Babylonian Mystery Religions. This
appears to be confirmed by Teilhard de
Chardin who said:
"My approach...would be...to narrow that
gap...by bringing out what one might call the
Christian soul of pantheism or the pantheist
aspect of Christianity." The 'form of
Christianity' he mentions is that of the
Catholic church and the weakened, diluted,
Protestantism that barely resembles that
which existed at the time of the Reformation.
An important point is made with a quote
from Fritz Springmeier's book, `Be Wise As
Serpents`. He says, "When you worship the
sun, moon, stars, a statue, or even yourself,
Lucifer is leading you astray. You are not to
worship things that were created; instead you
are to worship the creator. To worship
anything other than the creator is giving heed
to Lucifer".
Mary. Of course the worship of Mary,
in Roman catholicism, is actually
veiled worship of the pagan mother
goddess or queen of heaven,
Semiramis.

blueAgent:



Those other views are wrong.

That's what you all say.

blueAgent:





You lied the early Church never worshipped or venerated Mary.
In Acts 19:24 Paul condemed the Greeks for worshipping the goddess Diana which is another name for Queen of Heaven no where in the bible did Paul or any other the apostles ever give Mary any title lest of all venerate her. it was this same Diana that was rebranded as Mary


Acts 19:24
For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen; 19:25 Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth. 19:26 Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands: 19:27 So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth. 19:28 And when they heard these sayings, they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians. 19:29 And the whole city was filled with confusion: and having caught Gaius and Aristarchus, men of Macedonia, Paul's companions in travel, they rushed with one accord into the theatre. 19:30 And when Paul would have entered in unto the people, the disciples suffered him not.

what concerns Diana and Mary, you seem to be inconsistent as usual.


The Bible tells us about the honor of Mary and her title.

You just seem blind to it or you knowingly try confusing the mother of Jesus with Diana.


I would go even more direct, God himself honored Mary, Jesus honoured her, the the Bible tells me that all generation, all ages will do same.

God honored her
Luke 1
God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27 to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28 The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”

Jesus honored her
Luke 2:51

Then he went down to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them. But his mother treasured all these things in her heart.

All ages will honor her.

Luke 1:48 hmm



So Jesus honored her, so do I

The Mistake we keep making is that we think bible stories are literal or historical.. They are not.. They are spiritual stories meant to Teach spiritual truths...
In the book of Jeremiah a mention is made of certain "queen of heaven".. It is that cult that metamorphosed into Christianity.. The new testament was then fabricated to look like it was an actual event.. It is not..
Mary the mother of jesus is the Queen of heaven and also lucifer" the light bearer". The morning star, she is known as Inanna by the sumarians, ishtar by Egyptian, Venus by the Romans and aphrodite by the Greeks.. Shiva by the Indians..i think she will correspond to Olokun in yoruba /Bini religion..
She is venerated all round the world under different names...

There is no where it was reported that she is evil, she was given the title of Goddess of death and destruction that was why she was considered an enemy of Marduk, the creator of the universe...

She is the Queen of heaven and earth and underworld..

Catholic are not wrong in honouring her, it is the honour that is due to her..

Ubenedictus:
what concerns Diana and Mary, you seem to be inconsistent as usual.


The Bible tells us about the honor of Mary and her title.

You just seem blind to it or you knowingly try confusing the mother of Jesus with Diana.


I would go even more direct, God himself honored Mary, Jesus honoured her, the the Bible tells me that all generation, all ages will do same.

God honored her
Luke 1
God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27 to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28 The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”

Jesus honored her
Luke 2:51

Then he went down to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them. But his mother treasured all these things in her heart.

All ages will honor her.

Luke 1:48 hmm



So Jesus honored her, so do I

So you don't know that Diana is another name of the pagan goddess which your church rebranded as Mary?

budaatum:
That's what you all say.

It not what i say or what others say but what God and his word(bible says)

Yale9:
Do you worship Mary? Or where did you see a church purposefully Built for the WORSHIP of Mary? Ye must be kidding thyself.. I used to be Catholic.. but the worship of mary like you posit is a fallacy, unknown, foreign, and a stupid myopic allegation.

Define worship?