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Why Is Christian Dating So Challenging A Task?

It was quite easy for me to date as an unbeliever but ever since I got born again dating has been a challenge.

i don't see why it is a challenge, except if you are reffering to sex

Think i agree wit u. I always think dating some1 from my church is like dating a fake. And u are never free 2 xpress urself&there seems to be many dont's than do's

It depends on ur reasoning as a christain,if u are an archaic christain or ur girlfriend is,then u both will have problems.sex is prohibited and i think thats a problem for u.

The real problem is an obvious one here.
   I want to start by askin U one question though;If all U needed to pass a particular exam was to simply show up n' write your name,would U bother to study hard?
U sure need to do a lot more of studying God's Word to pass this one.  Renew your mind bro.
   I am of the opinion Christian courtship (if done as it should be) is the most fulfilling form of relationship there can ever be on the surface of the earth. The problem that most people have is that there is God's way of going about it(which people term as "rules".Pple do not like rules or any semblance of restriction at that but U have to choose between the broadway of sin(which I believe U have forsaken but which U & I must admit is more acceptable to the world) and the strait n'narrow path of the Christ life.
  If U are wise,U will realise these "rules" are not meant to restrict,rather they are to guide U in the path of true love for the other person.The earnest desire for the ultimate eventual good of the recipient of your love.This contrasts sharply with the innate/natural love of self.The love that is geared towards using the other to gratify one's base but immediate urges.Any idiot on the street can love a girl's body(n'I'm sure there are enough on your fiancee's street ogling her ).
  True Christian courtship teaches you to love your woman for who God made her to be.To love her for her.To love her soul,her very being,her personality,her ideals,her take/slant on issues,the way she laughs-in short everything 'bout her even her occasional flaws.
One of the greatest joys a woman can have is knowing her man loves her beyond her physical attributes(which are transient anyway).He loves her total being.
Introduce sexual immorality into this entire equation and it's like deactivating the brakes of a car cruisin at 170miles/h.The end is better imagined.

  1Jn5:3
   For this is the love of God that we keep His commandments:
   and His commandments are not grievous.

mcgboye:
Think i agree wit u. I always think dating someone from my church is like dating a fake. And u are never free 2 xpress yourself&there seems to be many don't's than do's

NB:Do not subscribe to the school of thought that believe Christian dating is all 'bout "don'ts".If U bother to search the scriptures thoroughly(as I expect U to),U'll discover there're far more "do's"e.g. "Love one another sincerely","Speak the truth in love","Esteem the other more highly than yourself","Be kindly affectionate to one another". . .the list is inexhaustive.
God bless U in your quest to do His will.

@Bolarge
Abeg u hit the bulls-eye point blank!!!
Lemme just add to mcgboye that cristian dating isn't about dating someone from ur church, haven't u heard the saying now that the devil goes to church?
Its about two people commited in their hearts to their faith (In God through Jesus Christ), seeking to live lives of fulfilment with integrity and loving each other in the true definition of love as God gives and not the movies/ soaps/society/or even culture

@Bolarge
well put.

Is this some form of sexual frustration?

I agree with bolarge's input on the issue. I just wanna say that it's a beautiful thing to be in a relationship with all the right values and attitudes. And i believe that " Christian Dating " offers an excellent platform for developing the right mindset which would prove invaluable in marriage and family life when practised with some of the points he's outlined.

you really have to pray hard for God to give you a true date.

@Freestyl

u are right nad u also have to open ur eyes,not just get carried away by ur emotions.

Radiant:
Is this some form of sexual frustration?

thnx sister,i could not have said it better.lol

Letz get real. whether or not he agrees with my post, when chidebe refers to dating as an xtian being difficult, he is more or less referring to the fact that it is harder to get into the pants of his wd-b date. Even if he doesn't have "bedmatics" in mind, the way guys operate these days, it is getting tougher (can you blame them? ) to convince a girl that dating won't turn into an eventual "wild monkey dance", with a relationship that has a potential of going nowhere immediately after.

But wetin I sabi? Just my 2 cents.

Why has everyone assumed that he must be referring to sexual frustrations. I dont see anything alluding to that in his post.

Easyy,

It is a subtle one. At least thatz my opinion, which you can pretty much take to the bank

Christain dating is actually easier if you are both christains.
The problem is that christains try to date like non-christains.
Throughout my courtship with my fiancee, she only visited my house once. We always kept outdoors.
When I visited her in the flat, that she shared with friends, we always kept the room doors open.
Get busy, get preaching, get praying and playing, get sharing

What is difficult about the christian dating?

Expansiate

chidebe, now that u are a born again, ur choices in women should change as well, i think the issue here is u are still drawn to the same ladies u dated when u werent a born again christian, so open ur eyes and pray to God to help u choose the right woman for u goodluck

dating as it is get odd when after a while:
(sometimes as odd as a a few hours)
touching - general tactile contact aint made,
and advanced tactile contact aint made,
it's as if touch is the criteria for levels of intimacy.
that's how the world sees it,
that is NOT how God sees it, so it get hard , really it gets odd
for christians who've been doing it the other way.

kambo,

as one, i would like to call wise man once told me, "atimes vertical emotions get translated to horizontal actions", which goes to the heart of my argument all along - y get involved in something that can potentially result in committing a sin?

oooh boy, I can see the SU-types ripping thru their Bibles, in search of scripture to render my statements above, on this one

@Chidebe,
bro.I quite agree with U that it's challenging.However,i want U to know that U're still seeing it from the worldly point of view.As a born again christian,there are meant to be changes in U and ur ways-the way U live,talk ,approach people,etc(as the rules stated).Ur going about it might still be in ur past.Of course this will pose a challenge towars u in that U are now a new creature with old ways. All i'll advise u is to still pray and GOD will put U thru.It's well with u.

@Bolarge,
I agree with U wholeheartedly.May GOD ALMIGHTY continue to guide us in His ways.Amen

@chidebe

I think you should reborn again to make this Xian dating issue advantage for you Christian faith,

To some extent the poster is right.I allude this problem not to the christain tenet of a godly relationship but to the people involved.Most christain shy away from real life issues all in the name of godliness.Many others pretend and even double date in the church a virtue common among unbels.Many more suffer from unresolved "issues" of the heart probably carry overs from past relationships.

All,

Thanks to Bolarge for his post.  Just to add my voice.  The truth is that Dating and Courtship are not the same thing!  That is why it is difficult for a christian to date, according to Chidebe, because many confuse the two.  The focus of the two are not the same.

While dating is a social appointment, engagement, or occasion arranged beforehand with another person, courtship on the other hand is seeking the affection of a partner with the intention of marriage.  The difference lies with the intention of marriage.  Dating is not specific to a partner, since that intention is not there and there is no commitment involved.  Dating is done with as many people as possible.  There is nothing wrong so long as there is no motive behind it and done with christian brotherly love.  You can use it to make friends.

But when you are in courtship with someone, the two of you agree to court and make commitment with each other, in short you are engaged to one another, with the intention of marrying.  This is what you will find in the scriptures.  This is the christian way, and there are guidelines of going about it.  It is such a wonderful period that leads to marriage.

If it is your intention to be in courtship, then don't do it the way it was done before you became a christian.  It won't work.  They are two different kingdoms with two different lifestyles.  For more on this, read this article by a Christian counsellor on Dating and Courtship.

Be blessed.

A very interesting thread and quite enlightening. But then why is 'christian' dating difficult? I should
like to share with you another angle to this dating stuff - which I share. I recognise however that I
may be regarded as an out of date person. I agree. But then I encourage you to think on it and then go back to
the original question.

Roman 12:2
Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.
"Everyone dates. Or at least everyone is supposed to date. Or, if they don't date, then something is wrong, or someone is ugly, right?" In our society, writes author Douglas Wilson, "recreational dating is taken to be a positive good, like food, air and sunshine, a necessary, inescapable activity. It is considered to be a normal and natural part of growing up."
But, says Wilson, "in reality dating is a custom which began in this century." And it has led to enormous problems. "Relationships between boys and girls, men and women, husbands and wives are a stretcher case," declares Wilson. "The starting point for most of our relationships, the modern dating system, can safely be considered as bankrupt."
That's an awfully strong statement, isn't it? Sure, there may be problems here and there, but how can anyone say that the entire modern dating system is bankrupt? Isn't dating one of the best parts of growing up? Aren't there people who date and get married and live happily ever after? How can anyone challenge the very concept of dating and attack our society's whole approach to romance? That may sound too radical. But before you go on taking for granted the common acceptance of dating, please at least ask the question: Is dating dangerous?
That's a question many young people don't bother asking, and it's one many parents would rather not think about especially just before Valentine's Day. We'd like to think junior high romance is a fun, harmless game. We'd like to think proms and dances and dates are good for high school kids and aren't a threat to anyone. We'd like to think college students are mature and their dating life is responsible and healthy. But much as we want a "don't worry, be happy" view of dating, let's ask the question anyway: Is dating dangerous?

Can we continue?

Suppose you were thinking of moving into a new area, and you found out that over half the men in the area were convicted rapists who had been paroled from prison. Would you think of that as a dangerous neighborhood? If you were a girl, would you want your family to move there? If you were a father or mother, would you want your daughters out on the streets at night in such a neighborhood? Who in their right mind would want to be in an area where over half the men are willing to rape someone?
Well, the fact is that huge numbers of people keep moving into an area where up to two thirds of the males think they have the right to rape someone: the area of dating! A survey asked kids in their early teens if a boy has a right to force a girl to have sex if he has spent money on her. 25 percent of the boys said yes. Worse yet, when the survey asked if a boy has a right to force a girl to have sex if they had been dating for six months, 65 percent--almost two thirds--of the boys said yes.
Is dating dangerous? It's hard to imagine anything more dangerous. Most boys and men wouldn't consider grabbing a woman they don't know and raping her. But if a guy can get a girl to date him for awhile, it's another story. If a girl lets a guy pay for a date, or if she or goes out with him for a few months, she may be in greater danger of being raped than a girl walking at midnight in the nastiest neighborhood of the worst city.
Maybe you have a hard time believing that. The survey was conducted by reputable researchers, but could it really be true that almost two thirds of teenage boys think they have the right to force a girl to have sex just because they've been dating for six months? After all, even if boys talk this way in a survey, the percentage of girls who go steady and have actually been raped by boyfriends is much lower. According to a major study involving thousands of young women on college campuses, 25 percent have been victims of rape or attempted rape, mostly by acquaintances or dates. It's horrible if one in four women has been attacked, but 25 percent is still a lot less than 65 percent. Why would "only" 25 percent of young women have suffered rape or attempted rape if 65 percent of boys believe they have a right to force a girl to go all the way after they've been dating six months?
Perhaps the main reason is that a great many girls agree with the boys! When asked if a boy has a right to force a girl to have sex if they've been dating six months, 47 percent of the teenage girls surveyed said yes. Obviously, girls who think that way won't need to be forced into anything by steady boyfriends. They'll do it willingly. They figure that if you're a girl who wants to go steady, you owe the guy your body.
Many girls may be as eager for sex as the guys are, and in their opinion, any girl who doesn't want sex has no right to go on date after date with the same guy. For millions of teens and single adults, that's a basic ground rule of the dating game. If you don't want to play by that rule, you are dating at your own risk. Dating is an area where you shouldn't say no, not for more than a few dates anyway, and surely not after several months of dating. If you keep saying no to sex, your date doesn't have to take no for an answer. At least that's how a great many participants in the dating game see it.
Date rape is devastating for many girls, and there's also serious danger for girls and guys who have sex willingly. About half of high school kids have had sexual intercourse. And by the time they are nineteen, 81 percent of the girls and 88 percent of the boys have been sexually active, according to the National Center for Health Statistics. Almost everybody who gets involved in serious dating ends up having sex before they are out of their teens. This results in the spread of many nasty diseases, including AIDS. It produces unwanted pregnancies and countless babies who are either killed through abortion or grow up without a father around. When you move into the area of modern dating, you're moving into a nasty neighborhood indeed, an area where rape, disease, baby-killing, and fatherless families are dreadfully common.

What's the Point?
There are other dangers, too--very serious dangers--but before we get into those, we let's ask ourselves: If dating is so dangerous, why would anybody in their right mind want to start dating? Why do so many kids and adult singles get involved in one relationship after another? What's the point?
Well, let's first be clear about what dating is. One author defines dating as "a temporary romantic relationship focused on current enjoyment." Dating is temporary, not permanent. It's a romantic relationship, not just a friendship. It focuses on current enjoyment, on what feels good now, not on what is best for the long-term future or on what God says.
What's the point of dating? The point is to enjoy the excitement, attraction, intimacy, and pleasure of male-female relationships without the long-term commitments and responsibilities of marriage. Kids in their teens date for the thrill of it or to feel good about themselves or to impress their friends. They don't date with a view toward marriage. Some, as they get a bit older, may hope a dating relationship will eventually lead to marriage, but even among adult singles, most dating relationships begin with a desire for short-term enjoyment without the goal of marriage in mind.
Sad to say, this pursuit of enjoyment usually ends in pain. I'm not talking now about the dangers of rape, disease, or pregnancy, although those are very real. I'm talking about an even more common problem, the pain of broken relationships.
Here's how dating generally goes. A girl gets interested in a guy and starts flirting with him, or a guy is a attracted to a girl and asks her out on a date. If the date is lousy and they don't hit it off, the romance ends almost before it started--a waste of time and a disappointment. On the other hand, if the date goes well, if they enjoy being together and want to keep dating, then what? Well, if they go together for awhile, the emotions get stronger, and the desire for greater physical intimacy heats up further with every date. The excitement and pleasure can be enormous. Eventually, though, one of them decides the relationship has to end, often while the other is still in love. Breaking up can be terribly painful, especially if you're the one getting dumped by the other person.
However, if you have a number of relationships and break up enough times, it gets easier. In fact, that's one of the worst things about dating. As Douglas Wilson says, "The modern dating system does not train young people to form a relationship. It trains them to form a series of relationships, and further trains them to harden themselves to the break-up of all but the current one. At the very least, this system is as much a preparation for divorce as it is for marriage."
Some people have the idea that dating is a training ground for marriage, a way for young people to learn how to relate to the opposite sex. You enjoy a variety of relationships, and if you eventually find one that really clicks, you can settle down and get married. That sometimes happens, of course, but by then you've had a lot of practice in dumping someone any time the excitement wears off or the relationship gets rocky or someone more attractive comes along. No wonder so many people who specialize in temporary dating have so many temporary marriages. No wonder our society, which has so much practice in breaking up dating relationships, also has the highest divorce rate in the history of the world.
Not only is the divorce rate high, but more and more people aren't bothering to get married at all. Many young men who can get sex without marriage figure, "Why buy the cow if you can get the milk for free?" Why get tied down in a permanent commitment if you can have the fun without the responsibilities? Also, many young women who have been through one relationship after another figure that marriage is only a distant dream and that the most commitment they can reasonably expect is "going steady" or "moving in." As a result, the number of households made up of unmarried singles has doubled in the past 25 years, and the number of children living with single parents has quadrupled.
How should we respond to all this? One so-called expert responds by saying that with marriage in decline, the answer is to provide child care and try other measures to support single parenting. "We've only had a generation to figure out how to make the modern family work," he says. "It's going to take some time." Well, single parents may need help, but instead of just calling this "the modern family," let's call it what it really is: the muddled family. Instead of focusing only on how to make the best of disaster, let's find out what's causing the disaster. Let's face the possibility that the current approach to dating is a factor in the widespread collapse of the family unit, and let's see if there's a better way.
Divinely Different
God knows all about romance. He's the one who invented it! He's the one who created us male and female. God designed love and sexuality to flourish in the setting of a life-long marriage commitment between a man and a woman. Romance isn't bad; it's beautiful--too beautiful to squander on a bunch of short-term relationships. Sex isn't wicked; it's wonderful--too wonderful to waste on someone who isn't committed to you for life.
God designed marriage as a setting for love to last a lifetime. But fewer and fewer of us are willing to wait for love that lasts. We'll take romance in whatever form we can get it, even if we don't expect it to last. We may quote the saying, "It's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all." The average person goes through at least five fairly intense dating relationships (not counting casual dates or one-night stands). Do we really believe it's better to have loved and lost, and loved and lost, and loved and lost, and loved and lost, and loved and lost? That's what happens in the current dating scene. Instead of saying it's better to have loved and lost, God's message is that it's better to love and win! Why look for love in temporary romances that flare up and then burn out one after the other? God wants to spare us guilt and grief and give us a flame of love that keeps blazing. The place for that kind of love is marriage.
The Bible never advises temporary romantic relationships focused on current enjoyment. The Bible never mentions recreational dating. Is that because the Bible is out of touch with reality? Or is it because the common approach to dating is out of touch with reality? Reality is that romantic feelings are so strong, and sexual urges are so powerful, that you can't play games without somebody getting hurt. Reality is that children need to grow up in stable families, stable families need to be based on strong marriages, and strong marriages depend on pure, permanent commitment. Reality is that God designed marriage to reflect the loving relationship between Christ and his church. Recreational dating and disposable relationships are a battle against reality, a losing battle.
God is the ultimate reality, and God's way is divinely different from the world's way. The Bible speaks of pleasing God as an unattached single who abstains from sex and romantic relationships, and the Bible also speaks of pleasing God as a committed spouse who is one in flesh and spirit with the person you marry, but the Bible never recommends temporary romance just for the fun of it. As for sex between singles, God calls it immorality or fornication and warns that it characterizes people who are outside his kingdom and headed for hell (1 Corinthians 6:9, Galatians 5:19-21). This doesn't mean sex before marriage is unforgivable, but it does mean you won't be forgiven if you won't repent and change.
If you know what God says in the Bible and believe what he says, you know sex before marriage is dead wrong. Scripture is absolutely clear on this point. That's why Christian pastors and parents urge kids to remain virgins until marriage.
For some reason, though, few pastors or parents question the dating system itself. They assume dating relationships are harmless, even healthy, as long as the kids don't go all the way. It's fine to enjoy temporary romance and to indulge in kissing and other physical intimacy with a variety of people as long as there's no intercourse.
When kids are told that dating is fine as long as they don't go all the way, they are being set up for failure. Kids who start pairing up in their teens, years before they can realistically consider marriage, are almost sure to start having sex eventually--even if those kids are Christians and try to remain virgins. What sense does it make for kids to look for romance long before they are ready for a lifelong commitment? What sense does it make to get involved with deep emotions and kissing and caressing and yet insist that sex is a no-no?
Kids as young as fourteen or fifteen leave the house on a date, and the only message parents have--even Christian parents--is, "Glad you kids like each other! Now don't touch anything for at least eight more years!" Yeah, right. Douglas Wilson points out the folly of a father sending his daughter "off into the dark with some testosterone bundle" and hoping it won't lead to sex. "The modern dating system expects a certain amount of physical involvement," says Wilson. "True, the Christian version of this system allows only enough pre-intimacy to get everybody concerned all messed up. We think a godly Christian is one who can pre-heat the oven without cooking the roast."
You can't buy into the world's pattern of dating and expect to end up with God's kind of purity. God calls us to trust his love and mercy in Christ to forgive our sins, and then he calls those who trust Christ to be divinely different. "In view of God's mercy, offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God," says the Bible. "Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind" (Romans 12:1-2).

Will be back, I suppose you need a breather.

@ Analytical - beautiful post there. God bless you. @ y'all, we continue:

Better Possibilities

We've looked at the dangers of dating, not to spread gloom and doom, but simply to face that fact that the world's approach to romance is not working. It's not working! Movies and TV shows may keep pushing it, but you don't have to fall for it. People around you may keep playing around with recreational romance, but you don't have to do it. It may be the pattern of this world, but it's not God's pattern, and it's not working.
So instead of flirting with disaster, offer your body to the Lord. Don't follow the pattern of this world. Instead, be transformed by a renewed mind, a different way of seeing things. Be willing to consider better possibilities. Explore whether, instead of pursuing dating as temporary romance for present enjoyment, there might be a better pattern for romance, a pattern which honors God, protects against many dangers, and is best suited to get you ready for a lifelong romance in marriage with the special person God has in mind for you.

We expand on analytical's post:

Courtship is an approach in which two people start seeing each other only if both of them are seriously looking for a life partner. Both must be of marriageable age, both should have the blessing of their parents, and both must enter the relationship with one goal: to explore whether they want to get married. Kids who believe in courtship don't date when they're too young to marry. They avoid romantic relationships in junior high and high school. Why play games with people's emotions and bodies? Why put yourself in danger and do damage to others? It can actually be a relief not to seek any romance at all until you're thinking about marriage. You don't base your value on how many dates you can get. You don't go through the turmoil of falling in love and breaking up over and over. Who needs a bunch of dead-end romances when you can simply wait until you're ready to get serious?

What's the point?

Young people who believe in courtship also value the family. When they court each other, they don't just sneak off to some dark place to be alone. They get to know each other's family. They want their parents to approve of the person they are courting, and they seek their parents' blessing on their marriage. Why? Because they honor their parents and know that a marriage flourishes best when the wider family is supportive.
Some people who reject the dating game go even beyond courtship. They believe in betrothal. In betrothal, even before a young man lets a young lady know he's interested in her, he asks his parents if they believe this young lady is the one he should marry. If they say yes, he goes to the young lady's parents and asks their permission to seek her hand in marriage. If they agree, he asks the young lady if she is willing to be betrothed, which means they are engaged to be married. Only they both promised to each other do they begin to cultivate a romance and seek a strong emotional bond. Once the marriage has been agreed upon, the time of betrothal is a period to develop a relationship and cultivate romance. During this time, they do not engage in physical intimacy. That is reserved for marriage. Now, betrothal may sound strange to you, but it was practiced in Bible times and in many societies through history, and it has a far better track record in producing happy marriages and strong families than the present dating system.
With all the dangers of dating, more and more parents are looking for alternatives to help their kids avoid the parents' mistakes, and more and more young people are opting out of the dating scene. A young guy named Joshua Harris wrote a book titled I Kissed Dating Goodbye, and the book has been selling like crazy. It may sound weird to give up dating and wait for the person God wants you to marry. But if such wonderful weirdness catches on--if we stop trying to fit in with the dating patterns of this world and are transformed by God's way of thinking--we'll taste the joy of pleasing God and discover the thrill of romance the way God intends it to be.

@ chidebe, I do hope the above treatise (from David Feddes' Is Dating Dangerous?) clears your worries. Remain blessed.

try listening to creed

"Christian Dating" is actually referring to Christian Romantic Relationships. I believe the poster was referring to christian romantic relationships in general.
Really and truly, Christians don't - and should not - date. In Church, as soon as you ask a lady out or a guy asks you out, it is assumed that both of you have marriage in mind - and everybody watches you. Correct me if i'm wrong.

One big reason why they fail is that a very large percentage of [Nigerian] Christians [who I have come across] have "church" personalities which differ from their "everyday-life" personalities. When you relate with them (and it is obvious to both of you that you are Christians), there is a fake cloud of spirituality that is used to blanket every single issue. It is even worse when the other person realises that you have a romantic relationship in mind. It makes it hard to get to really know someone to the point of even considering a long-term relationship; and for those who choose to be fooled by the cloud of fakeness, the truth of the matter will reveal itself when you get married and start living together.

I don't believe in Dating. I never have. Whenever I looked at a girl and thought of a relationshiop, I ALWAYS asked myself, "Am I ready to get married to this person, to spendthe REST of my life with them?". This idea of "testing relationships" is rubbish. You don't have to be in a relationship to get to know someone well. If you didnt really like them in the first place, you have no business wondering how good the two of you would be for each other.

@ Gridlock

i agree totally wit our views and i must say u did a nice job breaking it down.i was once a victim and i must assure u that ur analysis was a complete breakdown of wat i went thru.If u ask me i'd say d term 'christain dating' is a contradiction in itself since the definition of dating incorporates full blown relationship with elements of romance,sex and d likes.How then do we reconcile that with christian morality.

One big reason why they fail is that a very large percentage of [Nigerian] Christians [who I have come across] have "church" personalities which differ from their "everyday-life" personalities. When you relate with them (and it is obvious to both of you that you are Christians), there is a fake cloud of spirituality that is used to blanket every single issue. It is even worse when the other person realises that you have a romantic relationship in mind. It makes it hard to get to really know someone to the point of even considering a long-term relationship; and for those who choose to be fooled by the cloud of fakeness, the truth of the matter will reveal itself when you get married and start living together.

this is the most beautiful part of the post.The outward show of being born again leads people to act so spiritual even when its very obvious that we are all human.Such leads to stifling of emotions and can dating flourish here??

Thanx for the post.it hit the nail on the head!!

Hi y'all, I notice some heavy posters come in on this topic, interesting. More than enough's been said about this christian dating (if any such exists) in this thread, I agree with the few recent posts. Like He said "he that has ears let him hear"

@Feelgood
Nice posts.

Let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. Courtship is what is meant for Christians not dating.

A lot has really been said here; i have to look at it again