Strangebuttrue:
Hmmm

Strangebuttrue:
Hmmm

Movingon:
Normally I try my best to ignor stupidity but in this case I will make an exception for posterity sake. Now LISTEN CAREFULLY

The oba of benin is far & above the oni of ife. If you must compare him with any yoruba kings it should be the Alafin of oyo not the oni who's stool never attained the status of an empire & traditional is just a priest who the british later coined to become a king. The kingdom of ife originates from benin. If you want to argue go ask ODUDUWA or any of your truthful Elders. That being said the BENIN EMPIRE in all its regin & glory never imposed its tradition & language on its subjects rather free will & kindness was always the order of the day. All that was needed was for the fallen kingdom in quote must become subservient & pay the require royalty to the CAPITAL & its KING. this mistake made the benin language to be exclusive to the benin people & not the entire empire. This is was diminished the benins after the fall of their empire & of course in todays nigeria, priority is given to major tribes based on their population & the number of states they occupy & as you know it comprises of the fortunate yorubas. This favours the oni much more than the oba. Then again what you are seeing are the first class kings in mordern day Nigeria & they are as well representing their geo political zones of which the oba is from the south south & the oni from the south west. For the avoidance of doubts there is body of NIGERIA TRADITIONAL RULERS & in this body again by the standards I have explained the Sultan of Sokoto & the Oni of Ife are the Co chairmen while the OBA of BENIN is the SECRETARY. All this are facts which can be easily verified if you are willing to know the truth but if you are still confused by their sitting arrangements then I bid you GOODBYE.... & GOOD RADIANCE. ....

Coldplay007:
I saw this thread below and i immediately became interested in the Omonoba's trip to Abuja. The Benins claimed that the Oba never leaves his palace. But it seems this Oba likes travelling to Abuja. If you ask the Benins, they would probably say Abuja is part of the Benin Kingdom..

https://www.nairaland.com/4828361/oba-benin-arrives-abuja-style

I was shocked when i saw the picture below. Does this mean that the Oba of Benin now knows his place in the community of Kings?

I am sure that he wouldnt agree to take that picture if he didnt agree with this arrangement.
Obviously this arrangement reflects the kings traditional hierachy and they all agree with this.

I also know that if the Alafin had been in this picture. He would be sitting beside the Oni of Ife.

So what do you all think? Does the Omonoba now know his place in the community of Nigerian Kings?

Coldplay007:
I saw this thread below and i immediately became interested in the Omonoba's trip to Abuja. The Benins claimed that the Oba never leaves his palace. But it seems this Oba likes travelling to Abuja. If you ask the Benins, they would probably say Abuja is part of the Benin Kingdom..

https://www.nairaland.com/4828361/oba-benin-arrives-abuja-style

I was shocked when i saw the picture below. Does this mean that the Oba of Benin now knows his place in the community of Kings?

I am sure that he wouldnt agree to take that picture if he didnt agree with this arrangement.
Obviously this arrangement reflects the kings traditional hierachy and they all agree with this.

I also know that if the Alafin had been in this picture. He would be sitting beside the Oni of Ife.

So what do you all think? Does the Omonoba now know his place in the community of Nigerian Kings?

davidnazee:


This your post is stupid but I will interpret the picture for u..

First, the sitting arrangement was done by the British. They prefer to have their loyal subject/slave (Oni) who they conquered easily without a fight sitted besides the prince and have the formidable adversary who battled them to a standstill sitted at the back.

Secondly; from the picture you can see that it’s only the Oba of Benin that has his symbol of authority and power by his side.. the Oni’s own was chased far away from Oni.
It shows that while the Oba of Benin is still recognized and revered, the Oni is not.

To the Oni, sitting besides the prince is a great achievement that is why he is smiling like a boy boy.

Coldplay007:

All these benin warlords. una too like to hype una self. Before it was the king does not leave his palace. Now this one is flying upandan. Later he is the greatest, meanwhile he himself has agreed he is a low rated 1st class king from this sitting arrangement

prolog2:
what would the world have though if the kings entered a browl for the right time sit next to charles ? Or what will the world have thought if some kings refused to sit for the picture because they were not in the front near charles ? Obviously, you don't give a dime. Sitting arrangements for a photo with charles doesn't determine ones importance, but dumb Nigerians Won't get this.

Movingon:
Normally I try my best to ignor stupidity but in this case I will make an exception for posterity sake. Now LISTEN CAREFULLY

The oba of benin is far & above the oni of ife. He went to see Prince Charsle for a valid & concrete reason unlike some other kings and if you must compare him with any yoruba kings it should be the Alafin of oyo who is truly thr number one king of the yorubas not the oni who's stool never attained the status of an empire & traditional is just a traditional priest who the british later coined to become a king. If you look closely you will see other kings staff being told to wait behind but the oba of benin's stood at his back firmly portraying the kings supreme authority and also you should be reminded that the kingdom of ife originates from benin. If you want to argue go ask ODUDUWA or any of your truthful Elders. That being said the BENIN EMPIRE in all its regin & glory never imposed its tradition & language on its subjects rather free will & kindness was always the order of the day. All that was needed was for the fallen kingdom in quote must become subservient & pay the require royalty to the CAPITAL & its KING. this mistake made the benin language to be exclusive to the benin people & not the entire empire. This is was diminished the benins after the fall of their empire & of course in todays nigeria, priority is given to major tribes based on their population & the number of states they occupy & as you know it comprises of the fortunate yorubas. This favours the oni much more than the oba. Then again what you are seeing are the first class kings in mordern day Nigeria & they are as well representing their geo political zones of which the oba is from the south south & the oni from the south west. For the avoidance of doubts there is body of NIGERIA TRADITIONAL RULERS & in this body again by the standards I have explained the Sultan of Sokoto & the Oni of Ife are the Co chairmen while the OBA of BENIN is the SECRETARY. All this are facts which can be easily verified if you are willing to know the truth but if you are still confused by their sitting arrangements then I bid you GOODBYE.... & GOOD RADIANCE. ....

TAO11:
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You've basically provided no reason, proof, or evidence to substantiate your claim that the Oba of Benin is greater; so it is as good as you didn't say anything at all. It's called empty claims that doesn't hold water.

However, listen to the confession of the present Oba of Benin during his two days visit to Osun State earlier this year, where he also paid homage at the "Orun Oba 'Do" shrine (where many Benin kings were buried) in Ile Ife.

He stated that Oranmiyan from Ife became the first Oba of Benin. This clearly means that the KINGDOM known today as BENIN was founded by an Ife man.

See video link below from time 13:22 to time 13:41 for evidence:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXvXupQwaz0


Furthermore, the European chroniclers who stayed in and around Benin for about 500 years (from generation to generation) documented based on Benin traditions that:

The Oba of Benin regards the Ooni of Ife as his "spiritual overlord".

Hence, according to Benin traditions documented by these Europeans (Portugese particularly), not only does the Oba of Benin consider the Ooni of Ife to be superior, he actually considers the Ooni to be a god for him.

These ancient accounts of the Europeans does actually indicate that, to compare any monarch in ancient times (in sub-Saharan Africa at least) with the Ooni is actually considered sacrilegious even according to Benin traditions.

Guess what! The word "Oghene" used for "God" today in some languages of Southern Nigeria is actually based on a Portugese rendering of the royal title of the monarchs of Ife "Oghne" (from: "Ooni" ).

This is not to say that I consider any Ooni of Ife to be God almighty, no. It is only to indicate the high reverence that the Ooni's throne is accorded by other monarchs in this region of the world in ancient times.

This information can be found in the account of these Europeans (most notably the 15th century Portugese seafarer Joao Afonso de Aveiro) documenting the Benin traditions

Donmedrac:
and who was oramiyan father? Isn't he oduduwa? A Benin crown prince banished?

Donmedrac:
and who was oramiyan father? Isn't he oduduwa? A Benin crown prince banished?

Movingon:
Normally I try my best to ignor stupidity but in this case I will make an exception for posterity sake. Now LISTEN CAREFULLY

The oba of benin is far & above the oni of ife. He went to see Prince Charsle for a valid & concrete reason unlike some other kings and if you must compare him with any yoruba kings it should be the Alafin of oyo who is truly thr number one king of the yorubas not the oni who's stool never attained the status of an empire & traditional is just a traditional priest who the british later coined to become a king. If you look closely you will see other kings staff being told to wait behind but the oba of benin's stood at his back firmly portraying the kings supreme authority and also you should be reminded that the kingdom of ife originates from benin. If you want to argue go ask ODUDUWA or any of your truthful Elders. That being said the BENIN EMPIRE in all its regin & glory never imposed its tradition & language on its subjects rather free will & kindness was always the order of the day. All that was needed was for the fallen kingdom in quote must become subservient & pay the require royalty to the CAPITAL & its KING. this mistake made the benin language to be exclusive to the benin people & not the entire empire. This is was diminished the benins after the fall of their empire & of course in todays nigeria, priority is given to major tribes based on their population & the number of states they occupy & as you know it comprises of the fortunate yorubas. This favours the oni much more than the oba. Then again what you are seeing are the first class kings in mordern day Nigeria & they are as well representing their geo political zones of which the oba is from the south south & the oni from the south west. For the avoidance of doubts there is body of NIGERIA TRADITIONAL RULERS & in this body again by the standards I have explained the Sultan of Sokoto & the Oni of Ife are the Co chairmen while the OBA of BENIN is the SECRETARY. All this are facts which can be easily verified if you are willing to know the truth but if you are still confused by their sitting arrangements then I bid you GOODBYE.... & GOOD RADIANCE. ....

TAO11:



Regarding your claim that Oduduwa is Oranmiyan's father there is no unanimity among historians as to whether Oranmiyan is Oduduwa's son. Some other accounts note that Oranmiyan is his grandson, while others have speculated an even farther link between them. But one thing which all these views agree on is that Oranmiyan descended (immediately or distantly) from Oduduwa.



Is Oduduwa a Benin prince?

There are innumerable historical facts as well as logical deductions which establishes beyond a shadow of doubt that this Benin-centric claim that Oduduwa is a Benin prince is the farthest thing from truth. I will educate you about some here, and I kind of trust that you will accept facts even if you don't like what the facts say:


(1.) The idea that a certain prince Ekaladerhan of Igodomigodo (later known as Benin kingdom) had to leave Igodomigodo [and then change his name to Imadoduwa when he arrived at Uhe (Ife)] was first published in 1995 by Chief D. N. Orosanye, and later popularized by Dr. Nowamagbe Omoigui.


(2.) Some other later Benin writers have written that the name which this prince Ekaladerhan changed to when he arrived at Uhe (Ife) is not Imadoduwa but Izoduwa.

The desperation to make their Ekaladerhan to become one and the same person as our Oduduwa is gradually becoming very obvious considering the contradiction in the Benin's own account regarding the name he changed to. Is it Imadoduwa or Izoduwa or Oduduwa ?


(3.) However, the earliest and most prolific historian of Benin extraction, Chief Jacob U. Egharevba (whose closeness to the family of Oba Akenzua allowed him access to senior informants with vast knowledge of Benin's oral history) makes no mention of this Ekaladerhan and Oduduwa equation in any of his numerous publications since 1933.


(4.) The Ekaladerhan and Oduduwa equation is a modern twist by the above-named later Benin writers, because it is never found anywhere in the earliest indigenous publications on Benin's history by Egharevba. Moreover, the Ekaladerhan and Oduduwa equation does nat have any external corroboration, not even among Benin's closest neighbors.

The name Ekaladerhan itself (not even its equation with Oduduwa) exists in very little (if at all it exists) of the oral traditions of any of the Binis neighbors. In fact, there has been no relevant oral traditions among any of the circumjacent peoples that can recognize Ekaladerhan or identify him as Oduduwa.


(5.) It is logically impossible that Igodomigodo (or Benin) is the place Oduduwa came to Ile-Ife from, because he (Oduduwa) played a very significant role in the transformation of Ile-Ife civilization when he came to Ife, yet the Ife people many years later had to be the one to civilize the Benin people into the art and science of metal casting during the reign of Oba Oguala; as well as many other exposures the Ifes brought to the Binis (e.g. the introduction of horses according to the historian Paula Ben-Amos).


(6.) The burial site of the heads of many deceased Obas of Benin is a place known as "Orun Oba 'Do" in Ile-Ife. This fact is acknowledged even by Chief Jacob U. Egharevba in his writings. Also, R. E. Bradbury documents an 1888 instance of such practice which is famed to be the last occasion of this tradition.

If Oduduwa had been a Benin prince ruling over Ife, this tradition would have been practiced the other way round; that is, the monarchs of Ile-Ife would have had their final resting place in Benin (their supposed ancestral origin).


(7.) The official language in the court of the Oba of Benin up until 1934 was Yoruba (but there was no time Edo language was spoken anywhere in Ile-Ife). This can be corroborated by the fact that Omo N'Oba Eradiauwa wrote in his May 2004 publication: "The Benin-Ife Connection" that:

Eweka (who was born and raised in Benin) was born dumb, but talked for the very first time when "he exclaimed in his father's tongue 'OWOMIKA' " after defeating an opponent in a game.

How could Eweka have opened his mouth to speak Yoruba (the very first time he will speak) if Yoruba wasn't the language he had listened to all his life in the palace?


(8.) Each time an Oba is crowned in Benin, he has to make lease payment to the Ogiso dynasty for renewal of the lease of their palace to a foreign dynasty (i.e. the Oba dynasty). There would not have been any tradition as this if Oduduwa was originally from Benin.


There are many more proofs, but the above facts and logical deductions are sufficient proof that Oduduwa is certainly not from Igodomigodo (or Benin).

Donmedrac:
see epistle..
The fact remains oduduwa was a banished prince when he got to a minor Yoruba land, the first thing he spoke was Ile Ife( I run into wealth) and when the people ask him where he was from he said ogieiso(king of the sky)..

So they took him in, his prowess make him king and united all other Yoruba speaking tribe into a great empire.

The Bini wanted their king back and he sent one of his junior sons oramiyan, the son found out There was always trouble their and he called the place Ile ibenu.

The reason why heads of oba is buried in Ile Ife is to mark that the original king of Benin was the ruler, can you tell me other oba or kings head that is buried there?.

Donmedrac:
see epistle..
The fact remains oduduwa was a banished prince when he got to a minor Yoruba land, the first thing he spoke was Ile Ife( I run into wealth) and when the people ask him where he was from he said ogieiso(king of the sky)..

So they took him in, his prowess make him king and united all other Yoruba speaking tribe into a great empire.

The Bini wanted their king back and he sent one of his junior sons oramiyan, the son found out There was always trouble their and he called the place Ile ibenu.

The reason why heads of oba is buried in Ile Ife is to mark that the original king of Benin was the ruler, can you tell me other oba or kings head that is buried there?.

prolog2:
The sitting arrangements were probable done by the photograph. You Nigerians get worked up over nothing.

prolog2:
what would the world have thought if the kings entered a browl for the right to sit next to charles ? Or what would the world have thought if some kings refused to sit for the picture because they were not in the front near charles ? Obviously, you don't give a dime. Sitting arrangements for a photo with charles doesn't determine ones importance, but dumb Nigerians Won't get this.

TAO11:




*Unfortunately for you, the basic thing you did here is to simply repeat the story that Oduduwa is originally from Igodomigodo (Benin) without substantiating your repetition with any evidence, proof, or reason.

*The only attempt you made at explaining anything is actually a failed and embarrassing attempt. You tried to spin the reason why the heads of some Obas of Benin was buried in Ile-Ife.


*What I really want you to do is not to repeat the story (I know the story -- I have heard and read a lot of that nonsense), but to substantiate the story with evidence, proof or reason by citing very early accounts (e.g. Egharevba's or the writings of some European chroniclers who lived in and around Benin many centuries ago), or the traditions of any of the Binis neighbors, which confirms that your prince Ekaladerhan is one and the same person Oduduwa of Ile-Ife.


*Compare what you've done (i.e. basically retelling a story) with what I have done (i.e. providing evidence, proof, and reason to show why your Ekaladerhan=Oduduwa theory is false) and you will notice the clear cut incomparability.


*What I expected you to do is to address in specific terms (if you disagree with my conclusion) each of the arguments I have adduced and show how they are invalid.


* Regarding the burial site of the heads of some Obas of Benin, the reason you provided is laughable, outrightly absurd, and invalid.


If Oduduwa was originally from Igodomigodo (Benin), that consequently makes Oranmiyan a Benin blood, and the same goes for Eweka 1 as well as for every Oba of Benin from Eweka going forward. Why then are they not rested in the supposed land of their ancestors, instead of being transported many miles to a "foreign" land just for the simple reason that Oduduwa ruled over some "foreigners" in that "foreign" land.


You asked which other Oba of Benin was buried in Ile-Ife as if I already mentioned one by name . Anyways, I already cited R. E. Bradbury (1959) which documents an 1888 instance of such practice which is famed to be the last occasion of the tradition. So, from R. E. Bradbury's documentation, it is obvious that Oba Adolo's head came back home to Ile-Ife because his demise matches precisely the 1888 date given in R. E. Bradbury (1959).


If Oduduwa was originally from Igodomigodo (Benin), which consequently make Eweka 1 a Benin blood; why then does Omo N'Oba Erediauwa regard Yoruba language as Eweka's "father's tongue"


The contradictions emanating from the Benin-centric Ekaladerhan=Oduduwa theory are just so obvious, so many, and so serious. The theory is a patchwork by folks of very low self esteem, but unfortunately the seams from the patchwork are just too apparent, and no damage control stunt can amend it. The immediate consequent of the theory makes it clash with reason and already widely established historical facts.

I really hope that someday some of you here will be bold and smart enough to embrace reality.

googi:
You people named Bini, you mouth no dey pain una for so much lies?

Abi de fingers wey una dey take spread lies for internet no commot blood.

Oba Benin thought if he came late to the occasion, others would wait on him. He was given his allocated chair within the Oba, Sultan and Emir in Nigeria.

Find your level.

davidnazee:


No. Oduduwa descended from the skies with golden chains and angels playing Fuji music as he descended.