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Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by alezzy13: 6:07pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
PatrickOkunima: Excellent analysis. I made the point at the other thread on this topic. With deepest respect to the deceased condolences to thier family, this was a shameful and embarrassing attack. The soldiers made no attempt to fight. They saw BH approaching and tried to run, and were slaughtered in d process. One the issue of lack of/poor arms and ammunition, the Premium times account had reported that BH went away with large cache of weapons from the base. So the point is 1. If really they're old and obsolete as some accounts claim, why would BH loot them? 2. Are BH weapons really that sophisticated? The videos I've convey that, but I could be wrong. The major issue is orientation and training. 1 Like |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by PatrickOkunima(m): 6:09pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
newbornmacho: We still have soldiers who can fight and annihilate Boko Haram, and even if we don't, there are people who are ready to volunteer. In case you are not aware, in determining a country's military strength, the number of able-bodied men is put into consideration. We have the number, the weapon and training is not going to be a problem. Unfortunately, our leaders are not ready. 1 Like |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by newbornmacho(m): 6:16pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
PatrickOkunima:This one sounds better, like in every other thing we have potential, as it stands now however... Nothing to write home about |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by BlowBack: 6:19pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
There is also the drug induced state of the terrorist when they go into battle that must be considered as well. Outside doctrinal radicalization, Boko Haram commanders rely heavily on pharmaceuticals such as Speed, LSD and Amphetamines to inspire and motivate their fighters to combat. Amphetamines so far appear to be the drug of choice just as in the case of ISIS fighters in Iraq and Syria. Amphetamines are widely favored by Jihadist commanders because it provides for stamina, courage, acts as a strength booster while staving off hunger pangs and fatigue. But most importantly, the choice of amphetamines by Boko Haram is mainly for it's ability as an emotional blocker - a good thing if you intend to behead and rape women and girls in order to send a message that you are all out to terrorize the society at large towards achieving your warped political aims. Amphetamines also provide unusual bravado and courage that a normal sane and sober person won't dare risk. The drug is also known to provide super human capabilities in stamina and even strength. US soldiers in Iraq noticed this during the siege of Fallujah where Al Qaeda linked militants remained standing and fighting even after being shot. The infamous siege of an Indian hotel by Taliban trained and Pakistani linked Islamist which saw over 300 civilians and security agents shot dead lasted for well over 60 hours.Autopsy reports and blood test results on both killed and captured terrorist showed the were high on a cocktail of cocaine, LSD and steroids. Boko Haram has learnt very well from their fellow Islamic jihadist and ever since they became an organized fighting force the use of pharmaceuticals has played a heavy role in their combat readiness. I once saw a video released by BH where their members where casually strolling into combat towards a fortified Nigerian Army base camp. Despite being under attack and with some of their members dropping like flies after getting shot, the terrorist just kept advancing forward like a wave of real life zombies. Now imagine you are in the position of a Nigerian soldier facing such an assault-naturally superstition will creep-in and you will be assuming that the BH members attacking you have been heavily fortified with some sort of voodoo charm and from there you will assume that your best option is to flee. The Nigerian Govt has to address the proliferation of such illicit drugs flowing to BH as the drug remains their cardinal weapon. The drugs maybe coming from Libya or being produced in Sudan and shipped to BH through Chad or Cameroun. There is also the likelihood that the drugs are being manufactured in Nigeria as I can recall a news article where the NDLEA raided and shutdown an amphetamine factory in Delta state sometime last year with the said factory being operated by Mexican nationals who I assume would be linked to the Mexican Mafia. The war on Boko Haram will be largely won if the Nigerian security networks look deeper into curtailing or outright blocking the flow of such powerful hallucinogenic to Boko Haram. 9 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by BlowBack: 6:21pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
Rotimi47: Maybe we should consider renaming them the Nigerian Chair Force |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by alezzy13: 6:24pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
BlowBack: The point I've been making. I don't believe the weapons BH had were substantially better than ours, but there was a major difference: GUTS, ORIENTATION. From the videos I've sseen, those guys were fighting like wounded lions, it was all out, no holds barred. They were chanting, howling, yelling. . . Even me watching had goosebumps. I'm not any means holding brief for this govt, and of course I totally support the need for higher grade sophisticated weapons, but beyond that we need to work on the orientation and training of these soldiers. |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by BlowBack: 6:26pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
alezzy13: That's because they were high on meth. See my post above yours for clarification 1 Like |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by persius555(m): 6:31pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
PatrickOkunima: Yes, I take FarahAideed comment to be very factual. My concern about this war is why the hierarchy has not deemed it necessary to plant mines around our critical bases. Boko Haram, a rag tag group used these tactics, which was why Sambisa Forest became a fortress of some sort for their carnage. The use of these mines slowed down movement of our troops advancement buying BHT valuable time to carry out ambush. If BH is deploying such why are we not, considering the fact that metele is a border town to the chadian force, and they had tactically withdrawn from these war, leaving our base exposed. A five kilometers mined field radius around that base would have seriously damaged numbers of approaching BHT AA mounted gun trucks. It doesn't baffle me how BHT are able to encircle a base like that. They know the first line of defense are shallow dug trenches which can be defeated by high calibre gun power. I bet BH would not carry out attacks in the dead of dawn if they knew they base was fortified with mines as those AA trucks they rely so much on will end up in pieces. Mines around our bases would deter Boko Haram. The army authority should look into it. 2 Likes |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by BlowBack: 6:35pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
persius555: Is Nigeria not signatory to the anti-mine article? Mines also will not work as the Nigerian army does not require a string of permanent bases but rather the military must re-strategise from frontline trench warfare to blitz screen fast manoeuvres. This is easier said than done as communication and discipline as well training to fight in cohesive fashion will require a massive overhaul of the Nigerian Military manual. Semi permanent remote bases like the one that came under attack just provide easy targets for BH who will just spy on them for weeks, picking their weakness and combat readiness from where they can launch an isolated and well cordinated strike. If you have constant patrols in close contact to each other all over Borno, BH members will not know which to attack and if they dared to do so, an attack on one platoon will easily be repelled as support can be called in from every direction thereby entramping the enemy. 2 Likes |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by Rotimi47: 6:39pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
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Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by omoiyalayi(m): 7:15pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
I think our soldiers shld be subjected to watching America war films I actually don't want to be disturbing myself with how they can defeat BH if their hierarchy cannot figure it out with all the money federal govt is budgeting for security yearly Shame on all those service chiefs 1 Like |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by Willie2015: 7:38pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
alezzy13: - Weapon is a major factor. - South African mercenaries were largely successful during the Jonathan era becos of their weapons. - They came with their own heavy weapons and Russia M1-24 helicopters, no Oga at the top politics involved - Modern counter terrorism requires our force to be on the offensive, hit and run tactics... - Our forces are always repelling attacks which means they cant go on the offensive cos of their weapons - There is nothing like Gut Orientation ... Even the Special US teams that fought the battle of Tora Bora had to called in Air Force bombers to take out targets; non-stop heavy air strikes including laser-guided bombs and missiles lasted for 72 hours before al-Qaeda fighters withdrew to higher fortified positions 1 Like |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by BlowBack: 7:49pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
Willie2015: The South African mercenaries did not come withh any special weapons but rather advanced skill set. |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by 0monnak0da: 7:55pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
PatrickOkunima:It is better you shut up You are a total idiot 2 Likes |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by Auladimeji1: 8:01pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
I learnt something from this thread,which is"The best way to fight an enemy is never retreat |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by PatrickOkunima(m): 8:02pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
I won't argue this with you. What you don't know, you don't know. LordAdam16: 1 Like |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by Willie2015: 8:06pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
BlowBack: You are wrong. Google is your friend U dont conduct offensive operation without helicopters... This is one of the reported mercenaries in Borno with the Mi-24 in the background.
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Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by persius555(m): 8:12pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
BlowBack: The treaty doesn't cover anti-vehicle mines, just anti personnel mines. This is one the military can explore. The mines can be tagged and gun marked from metres away from the base. BHT relies heavily on these guns trucks. If they see their trucks being torn to pieces, this will slow down their advances and their shooting capabilities will be reduced to long distances. |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by LordAdam16: 8:15pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
PatrickOkunima: It cuts both ways. You are part of the need to know basis rank and file, and only understood the war from one perspective. Talk to any high ranking DIA officer you know for detailed information on the other perspective. That's why you think those soldiers killed in METELE could have done better. When a bunch of ISGS combatants killed four US Green Berets in Mali in a surprise ambush attack. -Lord 2 Likes |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by Nobody: 8:47pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
Corrinthians:exactly, the ak47 shouldn't be the main infantry rifle of a country like ours.our soildiers would have to be in effective range of iswap themselves,before our infantry engages them (since they both use same riffle).If we had say an m16,our men can decimate iswap infantry before they get into effective range of their ak47's. Neopotism and training is also a problem though. 1 Like |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by BlowBack: 8:50pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
Willie2015: That image is not of SA mercenaries operating in Nigeria but rather Afghanistan. The helicopter in the background is a Chinook which is operated mainly by US Special forces and saw active roles in Afghanistan because of their resilience in landing and operating over high altitude regions. Helicopters can provide the much needed advantage in inserting and removing troops close to the fight. Does BH rely on helicopters to deploy their troops? This is no excuse |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by BlowBack: 9:13pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
[s] eduj:[/s] The AK47 is a more reliable and efficient weapon than anything NATO has to offer. It is easy to maintain and operate. |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by BlowBack: 9:15pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
LordAdam16: Your grasp on issues is highly astute. I will like to one day have a beer with you. 1 Like |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by BlowBack: 9:18pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
PatrickOkunima: He is right! As I said earlier, the Niger Delta insurgency arose due to mainly political considerations that required political solutions. Yaradua was very intelligent to know that not all problems require military action unlike Obasanjo or Buhari who as military men saw every problem as a nail requiring a hammer. LordAdam16, has elaborated very well why the Nigerian Army were told to stand down by Yaradua because if he hadn't chances are that Nigeria would have been since partitioned. 1 Like |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by wingmanII: 9:33pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
BlowBack: Gbam! Nail squarely on the head. 1 Like |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by Xisnin(m): 9:40pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
Very stupid post. Why don't you join the army to show your courage? It is shameful that cowards who would run at the sound of firecrackers are analyzing battled filed scenarios in the safety of their room. As they say, those who lack the courage to do are the ones preaching. SMH 1 Like |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by Xisnin(m): 9:40pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
alezzy13:I hope you are typing this from Sambisa forest. Coward! |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by BlowBack: 9:47pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
Xisnin: Any modern-day Military will be ashamed of losing over a hundred men in one battle. This is a disgrace and it is obvious the Nigerian Military's commanders do not know hat they are doing and also do not care as well. It is high time the Nigerian Army and security architecture and mentality was overhauled. |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by Xisnin(m): 9:53pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
BlowBack:As I suspect, you don't know what you are talking about. That was not a battle. The bold is usually used when the speaker is clueless and have nothing to say. You know it is very easy to use the keyboard or play video games, no risk, no enemies. This has made many people think it is the same thing as a war. |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by BlowBack: 9:57pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
[s] Xisnin:[/s] You guys are grossly incompetent and a cause of worry and disgrace. It is high time the Military was restructured from outside since you khaki boys can't be expected to bring the required change. |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by Nobody: 10:07pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
BlowBack:the m16 has more range and power than the ak47.if your one of those the russies are better,we can as well use the newer ak's .The Ak47 isn't the main infantry weapon of any major army-even russia-today. |
Re: METELE ATTACK: Poor Orientation, Not Lack Of Weapons Was The Major Culprit by BlowBack: 10:08pm On Nov 25, 2018 |
eduj: It will do because for all its limited short comings the AK is still more highly reliable. |
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