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Ladyhippolyta88:
Read my earlier mention then tell me how your initial quote which I just responded to relates to it.You should take this advise for yourself.

noturbusiness:
well the post is advising the Christian woman and you brought in matriarchy forgetting that Christianity has always been patriarchal

noturbusiness:
well the post is advising the Christian woman and you brought in matriarchy forgetting that Christianity has always been patriarchal.

we are not talking about just surnames we are talking about the Bible view of surnames

Ladyhippolyta88:
And also the bible has no view on surnames so no need bringing in baseless facts surnames could be more of a cultural thing than a religious one.

Ladyhippolyta88:
The first time I quoted you was in response to you stating that it was because of feminism that is why women choose not to take their husbands last names.
And I asked if you knew how surnames originated.I brought matriarchy to it because if the world had been matriarchal at the time surnames originated you the husband would have been the one to change your name after marriageI also stated that since it is no big deal to you as far as name changing is concerned you can as well change your name to that of your wife's there is no law against it and the heavens would not fall.
My post had nothing to do with religion.You get it?

alBHAGDADI:
In today's world, many women find it trendy and classy including their father's name to their husband's name when they get married. Most of them don't even know why it's done, they just do it because they saw others doing it. Many of such women profess to be Christians without knowing that doing such is an open rebellion against their father, their husband and God who instituted marriage from the beginning.

This evil rebellious trend was made popular by Hollywood where you see a Jada Pinkett married to Will Smith now choosing to call herself Jada Pinkett-Smith. The trend quickly got copied by African actresses like Omotola Jalade who got married to Mr. Ekeinde now choosing to call herself Omotola Jalade-Ekeinde. These popular people whom many have chosen as role models have led many into emulating the same idea. That's why many Nigerian ladies on Facebook now have hyphenated names.

This new trend which seems like what has come to stay is a total disregard for God and tradition. Please read the below Bible passages.

Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

Ephesians 6:1-3
Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;
That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

The first excuse women who have hyphenated names give is that they are honoring their father who raised them by giving them the best which made them who they are today. That's why they have to retain his name when married just to ensure his name lives on. This is stupidity at it's highest order. Such a woman is only satisfying her ego and not her father.

Did the poor man ever asked to be honored let alone in that way? Did he tell you that when he got married to his own wife, he allowed her to do such to him? Why do you now think he will be happy to know you are causing pain to a young man who is your husband all in the name of an honor he never asked for?

The above passage says you should honor your father and mother, but before that it says OBEY your parents. Failing to do the first part is the reason why you are honoring your father in the wrong manner. If you truly love your father, then why did you disobey what he did on the day you got married?

On the day you got married, he did something symbolic which is very traditional. He walked you down to the altar and handed you over to the man whom you got married to on your wedding day. What he simply did was handover authority over you to your husband and new daddy. It is him you are to obey henceforth. Not saying you are to now start disregarding your parents, but they now have a little authority over your life.

You obeyed your father while under his roof. He gave you the best due to your obedience. Now that he has given you to a man as wife, it is that man you are to obey just as you did your father. Bringing in your father or his name into the man's house is the same as having two captains in a ship. Your father won't even want that because such was never done to him. Hyphenating your name is the same as saying that when your father walked you down the alter, he never handed you over to your husband, instead he also got married to him just as you did.

Some women will say they hyphenate just to preserve their father"s name. Won't that same name die when you die? Can you see how stupid that reasoning is?

Another quarter will say their father's name open doors for them, so they have to keep it because the name of the man whom they married can not even ring a bell but not to talk of opening doors.

Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the L ORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Such women are trusting in man instead of God. They believe God who said they should submit to their husband cannot direct their path, so they rely on their rich and famous earthly father who can drop dead at any minute. What is wrong with such women is pride and greed. They don't want to seem to know that they are no longer under their father's roof. They want to eat their cake and have it.

If you don't love a man well enough to submit to him and bear his name alone, then marriage is not for you. Stay in your father's house and keep enjoying the benefits of his name. Getting married and disregarding all of these will mean you have disobeyed many persons.

First you have disobeyed God who told you to submit to your husband just as you submit to Him.

Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

Secondly, you have disobeyed your father who symbolically handed you over to your husband as the new authority over you. You have done the wrong thing.

Ephesians 6:1-3
Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.

Thirdly, you have failed to submit to your husband. No wonder many married women are not having happiness in their homes. They do everything right without knowing that this one single thing that looks harmless is what is causing God to prevent happiness from reigning in their household.

As for sissy men who allow their wives to keep their father's name, your kind is the reason why society is messed up today. If you look at your marriage carefully, you will see that you lack authority there all because you allowed one foolishness to come into it. You are disobeying God by changing traditions.

Proverbs 22:28 King James Version (KJV)
Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.

alBHAGDADI:
Your decision to condone such from your wife might be the beginNing of your sorrows. Same way Adam foolishly followed Eve is the same way you will get destroyed for allowing your wife take mantle of leadership.

Have you ever asked Olu Jacobs to tell you what he might be suffering at home? Perhaps, you just concluded that they are happy based on red carpet pictures of them which you see.

JeromeBlack:
Did they even use surnames in the bible?

What is John the Baptist's surname?

Even Jesus did not have surname.

Moses did not have a surname

noturbusiness:
there is no trace of matriarchy in the Bible and the Bible covers the olden days history of man.
at no time were there a matriarchy. looking for trace of total matriarchy (which they never found)was a feminist idea to equate man with a woman
surnames were in existence throughout the genealogical records of the Bible as sons were identified by their fathers name while married women were identified with their husbands name.

Ladyhippolyta88:
oh my common to read and understand my initial post ypu could not how many times would I tell you that my quote had nothing to do with religion or the bible but you still quote me out of context no wonder people were bashing you on this thread.What you typed has nothing to do with my post.You are not smart at all.And stop bringing in baseless assumptions.
FYI matriarchy existed in some pre historic times although some claim it is a myth fact or fiction.You are not intelligent.

noturbusiness:
look at the most smartest human in the world. she is so smart that she came into a religious post, replied to disagree with an opinion that is base on a religious point of view ,yet she is not talking about religion.
I want you to check the whole post and count the numbers of people that bashed me.
so disagreeing is now bashing?

Ladyhippolyta88:
I never said I was the most intelligent but you certainly not are.Again the origin of surnames foes not concern religion.I wonder why ypi find it so hard to understand simple English my quote was on surname not religion
Next time read and understand before quoting out of point.
I won't dignify you with a response next time so buh bye.

noturbusiness:
Jesus Christ! you must be very smart.
and I said I was not talking about surnames when you replied me. all my comments here are about "a Christian view of surnames".
I wonder how you will reply me to disagree with my religious view and not talk about religion

Ladyhippolyta88:
Just go back and read the post I quoted you first.
It seems you don't know that some people make mentions to a particular comment a person makes and reacts to it and other necessarily the topic.
When you are done reading it and seeing your responses you can come back and tell me who is confused between us.

noturbusiness:
I thought that was your last reply? take your most smartest person award somewhere else. the post is about religion and if you can't talk religion, you should go somewhere else or create a post about surnames ,if that is your own interest so you can get people's opinion

noturbusiness:
oya leave us alone na. that you throw your name away does not mean you will have more of the good things in life than we that insist on keeping our name. those that are ruling this world today did not get there just by throwing away their names

BlaqCoffee109:
Op, can you do justice to this: 1 Timothy 5:8 KJV
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
...my take, isn't a man supposed to shoulder the financial responsibility of his household as against the modern trend of men waiting on a woman to contribute 50% of her earnings to take care of the family... isn't it contravening and dis-validating the total uptake of the man's name after marriage? Lazy men/ men with mercenarian tendencies are quick to ask for the woman's financial input in the family as a "right" for them not as a loving contribution when the chips are down...would it then be safe to conclude that if the woman is to totally drop her maiden name and adopt her husband's name she then automatically becomes the responsibility of her husband and such as when she was with her father and he totally was responsible to her well-being and upkeep, her man is to maintain or update that standard,yes? As buttressed by 1 Timothy 5 vs 8? There you have it 9j men, take good care of your wives, give them quality life and spend for them; it is your responsibility...marriage is not for boys but
men...R.E.S.P.O.N.S.I.B.L.I.T.Y! We will bear and keep your names alright while forfeiting our Fathers' names ...if we can do that, it should be pride for y'all to spend on your women not needing her to marry you and still contribute financially to yours and your family's upkeep
Cc: Saff, 2buffagain, SexyDenzel, OdikwaRisky, SIRTee15

Ladyhippolyta88:
I give up.You are dull
Anyway this is my last reply to you I just replied you trying to think you would accept your faults but no you are still flying high in your Ignorance.

janettee:
You people will use the bible to justify anything.

In the passages you quoted. Nowhere was it stated that wives shouldn't bear their own surname when they get married.

Crap!..

DateMynd44:
shut up useless feminist

alBHAGDADI:
In today's world, many women find it trendy and classy including their father's name to their husband's name when they get married. Most of them don't even know why it's done, they just do it because they saw others doing it. Many of such women profess to be Christians without knowing that doing such is an open rebellion against their father, their husband and God who instituted marriage from the beginning.

This evil rebellious trend was made popular by Hollywood where you see a Jada Pinkett married to Will Smith now choosing to call herself Jada Pinkett-Smith. The trend quickly got copied by African actresses like Omotola Jalade who got married to Mr. Ekeinde now choosing to call herself Omotola Jalade-Ekeinde. These popular people whom many have chosen as role models have led many into emulating the same idea. That's why many Nigerian ladies on Facebook now have hyphenated names.

This new trend which seems like what has come to stay is a total disregard for God and tradition. Please read the below Bible passages.

Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

Ephesians 6:1-3
Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;
That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

The first excuse women who have hyphenated names give is that they are honoring their father who raised them by giving them the best which made them who they are today. That's why they have to retain his name when married just to ensure his name lives on. This is stupidity at it's highest order. Such a woman is only satisfying her ego and not her father.

Did the poor man ever asked to be honored let alone in that way? Did he tell you that when he got married to his own wife, he allowed her to do such to him? Why do you now think he will be happy to know you are causing pain to a young man who is your husband all in the name of an honor he never asked for?

The above passage says you should honor your father and mother, but before that it says OBEY your parents. Failing to do the first part is the reason why you are honoring your father in the wrong manner. If you truly love your father, then why did you disobey what he did on the day you got married?

On the day you got married, he did something symbolic which is very traditional. He walked you down to the altar and handed you over to the man whom you got married to on your wedding day. What he simply did was handover authority over you to your husband and new daddy. It is him you are to obey henceforth. Not saying you are to now start disregarding your parents, but they now have a little authority over your life.

You obeyed your father while under his roof. He gave you the best due to your obedience. Now that he has given you to a man as wife, it is that man you are to obey just as you did your father. Bringing in your father or his name into the man's house is the same as having two captains in a ship. Your father won't even want that because such was never done to him. Hyphenating your name is the same as saying that when your father walked you down the alter, he never handed you over to your husband, instead he also got married to him just as you did.

Some women will say they hyphenate just to preserve their father"s name. Won't that same name die when you die? Can you see how stupid that reasoning is?

Another quarter will say their father's name open doors for them, so they have to keep it because the name of the man whom they married can not even ring a bell but not to talk of opening doors.

Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the L ORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Such women are trusting in man instead of God. They believe God who said they should submit to their husband cannot direct their path, so they rely on their rich and famous earthly father who can drop dead at any minute. What is wrong with such women is pride and greed. They don't want to seem to know that they are no longer under their father's roof. They want to eat their cake and have it.

If you don't love a man well enough to submit to him and bear his name alone, then marriage is not for you. Stay in your father's house and keep enjoying the benefits of his name. Getting married and disregarding all of these will mean you have disobeyed many persons.

First you have disobeyed God who told you to submit to your husband just as you submit to Him.

Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

Secondly, you have disobeyed your father who symbolically handed you over to your husband as the new authority over you. You have done the wrong thing.

Ephesians 6:1-3
Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.

Thirdly, you have failed to submit to your husband. No wonder many married women are not having happiness in their homes. They do everything right without knowing that this one single thing that looks harmless is what is causing God to prevent happiness from reigning in their household.

As for sissy men who allow their wives to keep their father's name, your kind is the reason why society is messed up today. If you look at your marriage carefully, you will see that you lack authority there all because you allowed one foolishness to come into it. You are disobeying God by changing traditions.

Proverbs 22:28 King James Version (KJV)
Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.

myked:
I had a conversation with my friend last week about how sexist it is for women to change their names upon marriage (taking the husband's name). Can this tradition ever end?

myked:
I believe it will end.... When I get married, my name and my wife's name will be merged to form a new name. This new name will be the surname for my kids. It's equality. She can keep her surname & not take mine if she wants.

myked:
I believe it will end.... When I get married, my name and my wife's name will be merged to form a new name. This new name will be the surname for my kids. It's equality. She can keep her surname & not take mine if she wants.

Augustap:
Cool stuff... But then like I said, different strokes for different folks

myked:
First off, it's preposterous to insinuate that breakups are caused by a failure of the bride to take the groom's name.

I see where you are coming from, but you should consider the fact that people existed before most modern religions were introduced to them. They were already living with that patriarchal mindset, therefore religion was interpreted to conform with the already established precepts.

This still happens (bending some religious teachings to suit some communities). Eg - Wearing of trousers to churches now in some societies, tolerating some kind of dance moves that were otherwise prohibited in church, women don't cover their hair in some places, etc

What if patriarchy wasn't in play back then? What if women were the dominant gender back then?

We aren't likely to ever have a similar view on this, I question everything.

Peace

izzou:


Adesuwa Etomi-Wellignton

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, and how they choose to run their lives

But my wife no fit try am sha. That's a sure banker


As if its a bad thing... How does submittingvro a husband resort to changing her name?, where is it written in the bible she should change her name?, kindly quote. Thank you.

Is it wrong to honour her father?, no father will feel dishonoured by that, except he feels he is not worth it... what of men that honour their own mothers, and put their mothers above their wives, if they have the chance they will definitely bear their mothers names and even impose it on their wives and children.





NwaAmaikpe, Udo diri gi n'ubochi taa

izzou:


Adesuwa Etomi-Wellignton

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, and how they choose to run their lives

But my wife no fit try am sha. That's a sure banker








NwaAmaikpe, Udo diri gi n'ubochi taa