You guys should leave him. He's as insignificant and confused as the gathering he calls "church".

blueAgent:



So why don't you pray worship venerate Jacob,David,Abraham....e.t.c?

They are venerated as well, even till date during the order of mass you still hear them venerated.

blueAgent:


Lie go and read the book of revelation from chapter 1 where Jesus was admonishing the 7 Churchs.

Even the seven churches were in communion with each other they held the teachings and instructions of the disciples even if they had one issue or the other, hence they are still Catholic.

Aizenosa:


Even the seven churches were in communion with each other they held the teachings and instructions of the disciples even if they had one issue or the other, hence they are still Catholic.

The Seven Churchs practised the teachings of the disciples which is contrary to what Catholic's teach.
The disciples did not venerate praise or worship Mary.

Aizenosa:


They are venerated as well, even till date during the order of mass you still hear them venerated.

And is this biblical?

If Mary had married outside the house of David, she will never give birth to Jesus even though she was a virgin. God decided to use her. Jesus died to save her from her sins

blueAgent:



And is this biblical?

Yes through out the Bible. Example the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob

blueAgent:


The Seven Churchs practised the teachings of the disciples which is contrary to what Catholic's teach.
The disciples did not venerate praise or worship Mary.

And please what did the disciples teach that we have gone contrary to, because it seem like its you protestants that have been deluded, because over the years I have seen your founding fathers condemn the Catholic Church for something then after a while they pick it up and do U-turn. So I can tell you lots are using double standards.

blueAgent:


The Seven Churchs practised the teachings of the disciples which is contrary to what Catholic's teach.
The disciples did not venerate praise or worship Mary.

The early church was chastised by Christ about being lukewarm but you lots preach once saved always save where did you get this teaching please come and explain yourselves.

Next where did you lots get your prosperity gospels from, sow seed for this sow seed for that. Where did such teaching come from.

Please, is there any Nigerian church that have doctrine, laws, I mean something like canon law, so I can study and pick hole.

Kamxin:
Please, is there any Nigerian church that have doctrine, laws, I mean something like canon law, so I can study and pick hole.

No rules, no laws, just the Bible which they do not understand.

Aizenosa:


The early church was chastised by Christ about being lukewarm but you lots preach once saved always save where did you get this teaching please come and explain yourselves.

I have never preached that, the Bible says one can still lose his Salvation.

Aizenosa:


And please what did the disciples teach that we have gone contrary to, because it seem like its you protestants that have been deluded, because over the years I have seen your founding fathers condemn the Catholic Church for something then after a while they pick it up and do U-turn. So I can tell you lots are using double standards.

The discples never preached that Mary should be venerated.
They never preached that Mary is our Co-redemer or ever prayed to or worshipped Mary and the Saints.

They never teached purgatory or immaculate conception of Mary and many other false doctrines your Church invented if you have any proof of the early disciples preaching any of the things i mentioned above then show me from the Bible where it is written.

Aizenosa:


Yes through out the Bible. Example the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob

Lame answer. and how does this justify that we should venerate and worship them did any of the early disciples do such?

UbiPetrus:
No rules, no laws, just the Bible which they do not understand.

Crap, did God ask the disciples to create laws contrary to his word?
have you not read that God condems such ones who add to his word.


Proverbs 30:5-6
Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar. Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.


Revelation 22:18-19
I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

Deuteronomy 4:2

"You shall not add to the word which I am
commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.


Deuteronomy 12:32
"Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it.

Matthew 22:29
But Jesus answered and said to them, "You are
mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God.

Mark 7:13
thus invalidating the word of God by your
tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that."
Genesis 3:1-4

Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, "Indeed, has God said,
'You shall not eat from any tree of the garden'?" The woman said to the serpent, "From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.'" read more.
The serpent said to the woman, "You surely will not die!

Matthew 24:24

"For false Christs and false prophets will arise
and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.

Aizenosa:
Next where did you lots get your prosperity gospels from, sow seed for this sow seed for that. Where did such teaching come from.

Are you trying to divert attention from your church's crime.

Prosperity gospel is not inherently evil Jesus gave lots of parable on money abd wealth what is bad is when it takes the place of Salvation gospel its sad that is what is happening to Christemdom.
My Church is not part of the prosperity gospel movement

blueAgent:


Are you trying to divert attention from your church's crime.

Prosperity gospel is not inherently evil Jesus gave lots of parable on money abd wealth what is bad is when it takes the place of Salvation gospel its sad that is what is happening to Christemdom.
My Church is not part of the prosperity gospel movement

Olodo

blueAgent:


The Seven Churchs practised the teachings of the disciples which is contrary to what Catholic's teach.
The disciples did not venerate praise or worship Mary.

even the Angel praised Mary. The Catholic Church neither praises nor worships Mary (as a god). Which is something ur brain seemingly lacks the ability to understand

blueAgent:



The discples never preached that Mary should be venerated.
They never preached that Mary is our Co-redemer or ever prayed to or worshipped Mary and the Saints.

They never teached purgatory or immaculate conception of Mary and many other false doctrines your Church invented if you have any proof of the early disciples preaching any of the things i mentioned above then show me from the Bible where it is written.

Where was it written that "everything the disciples did was written in the Bible" or where did disciples like Matthias or Thomas or Andrew where was things they did or taught recorded in the Bible. If you can show this to me I will give you full proof of where Mary was asked to be venerated.

blueAgent:



Lame answer. and how does this justify that we should venerate and worship them did any of the early disciples do such?

It seems you have failed to comprehend the word venerate, it seems the grammar is confusing you maybe we need to contribute money for you to get a dictionary.

We Catholics asked for intercession from saints who are seeing Christ face to face and you are saying that we are doing idolatry.

It seems you have forgotten what happened in the old testament when dry bones rose again abi was that one necromancy. Please come and answer

blueAgent:



The discples never preached that Mary should be venerated.
They never preached that Mary is our Co-redemer or ever prayed to or worshipped Mary and the Saints.

Why is grammar so hard for you that Catholics don't worship saints.

blueAgent:


They never teached purgatory or immaculate conception of Mary and many other false doctrines your Church invented if you have any proof of the early disciples preaching any of the things i mentioned above then show me from the Bible where it is written.

1 Peter 4:6

That is why the Good News was preached also to the dead, to those who had been judged in their physical existence as everyone is judged; it was preached to them so that in their spiritual existence they may live as God lives.

As the birth of Christ was announced same way the birth of Mary was announced to Mary's parents in their old age.

And as Mary was alive and was with the disciples as well as with them in the upper room. And as Christ did visit his disciples in the upper room same way Mary has kept on revealing herself times without number in apparations.

Even your protestant founders knew the truth about Mary but Protestantism has lost the way and have fallen into their selfish greed.

blueAgent:


Are you trying to divert attention from your church's crime.

Prosperity gospel is not inherently evil Jesus gave lots of parable on money abd wealth what is bad is when it takes the place of Salvation gospel its sad that is what is happening to Christemdom.
My Church is not part of the prosperity gospel movement

2 Peter 2:10b‭-‬12

These false teachers are bold and arrogant, and show no respect for the glorious beings above; instead, they insult them. Even the angels, who are so much stronger and mightier than these false teachers, do not accuse them with insults in the presence of the Lord. But these people act by instinct, like wild animals born to be captured and killed; they attack with insults anything they do not understand. They will be destroyed like wild animals.

You protestants do this a lot, you even go as far as commanding those who are stronger and higher than you.
Also because you don't understand something does not mean that it is wrong. The whole books of the Bible was written with a short time but Christ keeps revealing himself everyday. So my dear don't condemn what you don't know. The Bible even tells you that as well as its not the sole foundation of Christianity as you doing that you limit God's power.

blueAgent:



So why don't you pray worship venerate Jacob,David,Abraham....e.t.c?

we actually do venerate them, they are the patriarchs and our forebears, their veneration is popular in eastern Catholicism, Elijah is popularly venerated amongst the Carmelite monks

blueAgent:



No with an Anti-false doctrine mind.

which you have refused to develop

Ubenedictus:
we actually do venerate them, they are the patriarchs and our forebears, their veneration is popular in eastern Catholicism, Elijah is popularly venerated amongst the Carmelite monks

Venerating anybody other than Jesus is totally wrong.

Aizenosa:


2 Peter 2:10b‭-‬12

These false teachers are bold and arrogant, and show no respect for the glorious beings above; instead, they insult them. Even the angels, who are so much stronger and mightier than these false teachers, do not accuse them with insults in the presence of the Lord. But these people act by instinct, like wild animals born to be captured and killed; they attack with insults anything they do not understand. They will be destroyed like wild animals.

You protestants do this a lot, you even go as far as commanding those who are stronger and higher than you.
Also because you don't understand something does not mean that it is wrong. The whole books of the Bible was written with a short time but Christ keeps revealing himself everyday. So my dear don't condemn what you don't know. The Bible even tells you that as well as its not the sole foundation of Christianity as you doing that you limit God's power.

Are you making God a lair?

God cannot lie and contracdict himself.
he cannot reveal new information or doctrine that will conflict with what he has written.

If the Bible is not the sole foundation of Christanity what than is?

Aizenosa:


Why is grammar so hard for you that Catholics don't worship saints.




1 Peter 4:6

That is why the Good News was preached also to the dead, to those who had been judged in their physical existence as everyone is judged; it was preached to them so that in their spiritual existence they may live as God lives.

As the birth of Christ was announced same way the birth of Mary was announced to Mary's parents in their old age.

And as Mary was alive and was with the disciples as well as with them in the upper room. And as Christ did visit his disciples in the upper room same way Mary has kept on revealing herself times without number in apparations.

Even your protestant founders knew the truth about Mary but Protestantism has lost the way and have fallen into their selfish greed.

You keep on Spitting more Blasephemy where in the Bible was the birth of Mary prophecised?

Mary is dead and is resting in her grave every apperance you Catholics claim to be Mary is nothing more but ghosts and Demons.

https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/48/t/spirits-of-the-dead

Aizenosa:


It seems you have failed to comprehend the word venerate, it seems the grammar is confusing you maybe we need to contribute money for you to get a dictionary.

We Catholics asked for intercession from saints who are seeing Christ face to face and you are saying that we are doing idolatry.

It seems you have forgotten what happened in the old testament when dry bones rose again abi was that one necromancy. Please come and answer

Stop using grammar to confuse yourself to venerate is the same thing as to wotship adore reverance. Jesus is the only who God gave athuority to incede on our behalf no one else is given that mandate.

No saints are in Heaven they are in their graves waiting for the coming of Jesus.

https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/48/t/spirits-of-the-dead

Aizenosa:


Where was it written that "everything the disciples did was written in the Bible" or where did disciples like Matthias or Thomas or Andrew where was things they did or taught recorded in the Bible. If you can show this to me I will give you full proof of where Mary was asked to be venerated.

Are you following the disciples or you are following Christ?

If all the things the disciples did were important to our Salvation God would have made sure that it was included in the bible.

1 Corinthians 11 KJV - Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Amos 3:7 (KJV) Surely the Lord GOD will do
nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his
servants the prophets.

Yale9:
even the Angel praised Mary. The Catholic Church neither praises nor worships Mary (as a god). Which is something ur brain seemingly lacks the ability to understand

How did the angel praise Mary?

Give me examples of how you venerate Mary.

blueAgent:


You keep on Spitting more Blasephemy where in the Bible was the birth of Mary prophecised?

Mary is dead and is resting in her grave every apperance you Catholics claim to be Mary is nothing more but ghosts and Demons.

https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/48/t/spirits-of-the-dead

If you say Mary is dead and resting in her grave then your Christianity is faulty, why because God is not a God of the dead. And if that is hard for you to comprehend then it's not our fault.

Secondly, the people who witnessed everything wrote texts as well as those in the Bible, just because they are not in the Bible does not mean that they are not true, that's why when you talk we Catholics laugh.

Can you tell a story better than an eyewitness. The answer is no.