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Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by Nobody: 7:48am On Nov 25, 2012
The birthday gift of a private jet presented by a member of Word of Life Bible Church, Warri  and chairman of the committee of the procurement of the jet, Kevin Nwachukwu, to  Pastor Ayodele Joseph Oritsejafor, the head of  the church and the national president of Christian Association of Nigeria, on Saturday, November 10,  has generated a lot of controversy. In this interview, Oritsejafor tells the story of how the jet was acquired.

There is a huge gap between spirituality and actual faith in God. There is the belief that the love of money has taken over Christendom, rather than  the preaching of  undiluted gospel of salvation. Why do you think there is a shift towards prosperity?

First of all, as somebody who has preached the gospel for 40 years, I know that the gospel is a total package—it is for the spirit, mind and body. What has happened through the years is that in every dispensation, there is emphasis that becomes stronger than the others and such emphasis does not reduce the format but add to the format.

For example, Martin Luther was the one who searched the scripture to see how the Word of God could change the human being. But as time went on, we started seeing the Baptists. The reason why we call them Baptists is because the founder laid a lot of emphasis on water baptism; that is why today they are being called Baptists, not because they don’t believe that you need to accept Christ and be saved and go to heaven. What happened was that the founder had a revelation and a very deep understanding and conviction in the area of water baptism and he emphasized that.

Again, today, when you give your life to Christ, there is a big emphasis on salvation; that is accepting Christ and walking in the knowledge of Christ. Now, the revelation is progressing; as that went on, there are people who through inspiration and the study of the Word  have more understanding in the area of prosperity and so started emphasizing on prosperity.

The problem is that there are those who preach and their whole understanding is in the area of prosperity. I think that is not good. I believe there should be a balance. I don’t believe you should not preach prosperity, but I don’t think you should preach prosperity and neglect the preaching of salvation, because we are still going to heaven at the end of everything.

This world cannot be a permanent place. If you live very long, according to scripture, probably you will live for 120 years but, at the end of the day, you will still die and go, so where are you going? So it is important to emphasize on salvation, knowing Christ and going to heaven.

Now, what will eventually happen is that, with time, these things will level out and those who place   emphasis on prosperity will realize that prosperity cannot be the main thing. The main thing must still be holy living and going to heaven. So this is basically what is going to happen.

I will say what I have always said that we must emphasize on the area of living for God. That is why Nigeria has problem today. People who go to church, especially those who, one way or the other, are privileged to be in certain positions, forget the basic thing of God, which is the fear of God and all they want is money, they forget about really serving God.

They don’t take God to their work place, they don’t bring God to the positions where God has put them, but I believe that, eventually, these things will level out and the right thing will take its place.


For 40 years, you have been in the pulpit preaching the gospel of God, during which there have been miracles, touching lives and all that. But there are certain things that some people don’t know about you and this has to do with your calling. How did you get the divine call?

I have shared it so many times but I don’t mind repeating it because it is the main thing about my life. My mother prayed to have a male child. She told God that if He gave her a male child, she would give him back to Him. That was my mother’s prayer at the First Baptist Church in Lagos.

That was how she conceived and I was born. I didn’t know this prayer and my mother forgot about the prayer just like any average human being will do.  So I grew up and went my own way and lived my own life and got into a lot of vices, a lot of things that were not right. I have told people that if there is any bad thing that anybody could do in this world, I did it.

Can you elaborate on this?

(Laughs) Well, at my age and at my level in life, these are things that we are not proud of and will not want to give these things  prominence, but I was into so many wrong things. I leave the rest to your imagination. Yes, this was the life I lived.

However, I remember one day, I was walking along Marina in Lagos, very sad, I couldn’t explain why. You know, when you live on the wrong side of life for a while, that  is how you feel. But even the worst human beings you see today on the street, no matter how bad they look, they still have soft spots.

That  night, around 9.00 p.m., I was walking along Marina then, Marina was Marina and not the one you have today. There have been a lot of changes. Tears started rolling down my cheeks and I started praying, well, should I really call it a prayer? It wasn’t a prayer as such.

I said, ‘God, if you are God, do something and change me, I cannot continue with this kind of life’. Three months later, I came home, to Sapele, because my mother was here and one night somebody gave me a handbill inviting me to a crusade.

I just didn’t think I was one of those that should be invited to a crusade because I wasn’t that kind. But I went to the crusade and I heard the Word of God preached by the late Archbishop Benson Idahosa and that turned around my life. For the first time, something touched me. That was when I gave my life to Christ, and my life changed 360 degrees.

It is difficult to comprehend this because the, very next day, I bought a Bible and began to preach. It was like I lost my mind, but I think what must have happened was; remember my mother’s prayer many years back. You may forget, but God doesn’t forget.

I think God just took what belonged to Him, because, the very next day, I started to preach. I went to a market place, people gathered and I started preaching. People gathered because they knew the person I was; certainly, they had gathered to see a mad man but it turned out that I was preaching the Word of God. The very next day, people came out and gave their lives to Christ, and the rest is history.

The issue of succession in Pentecostal churches has gotten to a worrisome dimension. Founders and their followers engage in crises on who takes over when the leaders are out. The development sometimes leads to physical fights and often breakaways as those who feel they contributed to the growth of the churches insist the next persons in leadership must either be the wives, children, brother or direct relatives of the founders. What do you have to say about this?

I think there must never be a stereotype. I don’t believe that the fact that the woman is married to a man therefore she has to take over. A man can be a pastor and the wife may not have the call. We must come to a place where we must believe and accept the fact that if you push a woman into something that God did not call her, that ministry will collapse.

It will die on its own. But the other side of the coin is that it could be that the woman is also called. So if the woman is called, what do you do? Do you say that because she is the founder’s wife, she should not take her place? You can’t say that, that is why I say that there must never be a stereotype.

It depends on the call, it depends  on God’s hands upon who ever. So, it could be the wife, it could be the son, it could be a brother in the church, it could be one of the pastors, it could be a total stranger. Sometimes, when we read the Bible, we don’t want to admit what we read in the Bible because we  already have a mindset.

When you read the Bible, you will discover some interesting things. For example, when Jesus was here on earth, you would always conclude that the leader of the disciples was Peter, because of certain statements, certain things, but if you study very closely, you will find out that Jesus never appointed anybody.

He never appointed anybody to take over from him. So, that is a big point right there. Now, it is interesting that when you go to the book of Acts and study it very closely, you will find out that the only time we see an authentic leader of the church, you discover that the man that became the leader was Jesus’ half brother.

That is a bit strange. You will find out that even Peter submitted himself to James. I am not talking of the James that was one of the disciples. I am talking about  James that was one of Jesus’ brothers; the same mother with Jesus. We know that Mary had other children, after Jesus. One of those children was James and when Jesus was physically alive, none of them believed in him.

They stayed away from him but, after he died, they accepted the gospel that he preached and,  interestingly, one of them, James, became the head of the Church. The Bible tells us that at a point, when there was a problem in the Church and there were two factions—one group was the Peter group and the other group was the Paul group.

Now, there was a contention and it was over whether Christians should accept Christ who was not  a  Jew. Should they circumcise themselves and all that? One group said no and the other said yes. It became a very big problem and it was James who stood up and said: “This is my decision.

You must go to the Gentiles and tell them they don’t have to do this and that. This is what they must do”. You see, that tells you vividly who the leader was. So my point is this, that Peter accepted the leadership of James; obviously, Peter was already a disciple before  James accepted Christ.

But he was humble enough to accept him as his leader. James did not make himself a leader; obviously, they all agreed that he should be the leader. That shows you the level of spirituality. If it is today, how would you interpret it? You will definitely say that the brother of the founder of the Church is now the leader of the Church.

There appears to be part-time and full-time pastors in the Church today, a development that has necessitated people to give conflicting reactions. Is it right to have part-time pastors in the service of God?

Look, I may say some things that are a bit different from what you have known or what you may have heard. I say things because I am convinced and you will have to find a way to digest it. Every Christian is in full-time ministry. Any other job you are doing is the one that is part-time.

If there was enough money, there would have been no need for one to work because our full-time job is to be Christians and win others to Christ. But a church must function and there are many things that must happen—life must go on, people must eat and live; if your wife is pregnant and goes to hospital, you have to pay the bills.

That is why 99 per cent of church members have jobs. If you study the Bible very carefully, you may see something that will shock you. Are you aware that Apostle Paul, everywhere he went to, to start a church, got a job? In fact, he went as far as explaining why, so that the gospel would not be abused or looked down upon; so that people will not think that he was preaching this gospel because he wanted the people’s money.

He was a lawyer by profession, but wherever he went to and couldn’t get a law job, he found something else to do and he was good at tent making. So he would start a tent making business wherever he started a church, he would go out to make tent, sell the tent and have enough money to feed everybody that was with him, and he would take care of himself and everything. So there is nothing wrong with a man who has a job and he is preaching the gospel.

Nigerian pastors are accused of prospering while their congregants continue to suffer in poverty. What is your take on this?

Well, let me begin like this, this is a major issue, especially now that I have just been presented with a gift of a jet. That makes it a major issue. Let me say here that every pastor must be conscious of the people he pastors. It is very important. I can tell you that as a pastor for 40 years now, if you talk to people that are genuinely my members, they will tell you the kind of pastor that am I.

If you watched me today, I was talking about a young man who has been trying to go to a university for three years now. I didn’t know him from Adam. One day, after a service here, one of my pastors brought him to me. As soon as he saw me, he held my legs and began to cry! He showed me all the papers, pleading that he had tried to gain admission to any university here, it never worked.

So he finally got admission to study in Cyprus. I paid his school fees, helped him with ticket and everything he needed, he’s gone. He has since resumed school and is there in Cyprus now. How many people will know that? In the last seven to eight years now, I have paid school fees of over 100 people in different universities, polytechnics and colleges of education.

Some of them have graduated and have come here to share their testimonies, excitements and even their parents have come here to thank us. I don’t know them from anywhere. Every December 26, I do a very big thing here. We call it poverty alleviation.

This year, December 26, we will equally do it. Last December 26, I gave out about six brand new cars to people; your denomination means nothing. Whether you are a Muslim or a native doctor means nothing here. What qualifies you is if you are a human being. I gave out 25 tricycles, about 100 sewing machines, and grinding machines.

Some of these people come here to give testimonies; some are now married and have children. There was this young boy, a Moslem from Auchi. This young man, nothing good was coming out of his life, he was rejected, nobody wanted him and one of our pastors took him into a teaching centre and he was sleeping in the teaching centre. They were helping him. This boy had  driver’s  licence, I don’t know how he got it. He had no job and couldn’t do anything.

Last two years, when we were doing the poverty alleviation, he applied.  And they brought out a name which happened to be this boy’s and he won a brand new car. Today, that boy has rented his own house; in fact, his parents who are Muslims came to church on a Sunday and worshipped with me and danced all over the place and, after the service, they came to me and thanked me, saying ‘oh, this boy that you don’t even know from anywhere, you dashed him a car.’

They were very happy. Besides that, many lives have been transformed here. We have changed many lives. We have an orphanage here. As we are talking, an American couple has gotten in touch with me. They want to adopt a child from our orphanage. We have a clinic here that hopefully will develop into a full blown hospital. People go there and pay little something for treatment, but generally on Sundays people are treated free.

These are some of the things we do. Most people don’t know this and I don’t think I am the only pastor doing this. So a lot of people who are saying this against pastors are just being mischievous. They may have their reasons, some of them are bitter about something and they are not telling the full story about what is making them bitter.

But like I said, a good pastor must be concerned about his people. We have buses that we use in carrying people. If I tell you some of the things that we used to do, it will shock you. There is a woman in my church, when she came to this church, she had probably two blouses and a wrapper, no slippers, not even  bathroom slippers.

She had never entered a classroom before. I didn’t even know her. She is from one of these oil bearing communities. There was a time an oil company in their community wanted to do business with them and she was interested but had no money. She came to us for assistance. I don’t think, at that time, she had ever seen N10,000 in her life.

So she went to our micro-finance bank, Mama (my wife) runs it without salary, she and all our directors don’t earn one naira. She went to the bank and said she wanted to borrow money. My wife asked her; `how much do you have in your account’, and she said, I don’t even have an account’.

My wife looked at her, and she called me about it and I said, `look, leave me out of it’. We didn’t even have that kind of money at that time. She asked the woman again, `how much do you have now and the woman said N2,000′. She now advised her to use that money to open an account and she did. Mama now went round to source for the amount.

The short story here is that she got the money, did her business and in less than six months, she paid back the money she collected. As we speak now, she is one of the richest women in Warri. She bought me an incredible car that cost millions of naira some years ago.

[b]Coming to the issue of jet, I had no single idea of how it came about. It is true that people like us have gotten to a point where we need to have means of movement that will help us. You may have heard me speak about my trip to Indonesia, to Jakarta.

In fact,  it wasn’t even Jakarta I was going to, but I had to stay inside an airport in Jakarta for five hours to wait for my flight, to get to the very city I was going. I was only going to preach for two hours there. I flew from Lagos to Dubai and I spent over three hours, changed flight to fly to Jakarta and then stayed five hours at the airport just to catch a flight to where I was going to, where I was to preach for just two hours.

And after everything, I got a flight from that place again to Jakarta, stayed at the airport again for another five hours, then flew into Dubai, stayed again at the airport for another three hours before I flew into Lagos. It took me four days to make a journey to preach for two hours. I’m a human being and I am not getting younger every day.

And locally, it is worse, for instance, the acting General Secretary of CAN lost his father in a place outside Uyo, Akwa Ibom State and I had to be there. I preached in a place in Lagos on a Friday and needed to be back to Warri on a Saturday, but at the end of the day, the plane that would have taken me was no where.

I had to charter a plane for N3.5 million to take me to Uyo, waited for me to finish and then take me back to Warri. Two weeks ago, a young pastor in Port Harcourt built a new church and had been on me all this while to come and dedicate the church and suddenly from no where, there was this flood that cut off the road to Port Harcourt.

There is no road now to Port Harcourt. If you want to go by road now, it takes you up to 12 hours to get to Port Harcourt and I had to preach in Port Harcourt, I had to preach in Lagos, I had to preach in Abuja and other places. Finally, I was able to find my way to Port Harcourt, it was on a Saturday.

I had to get to Warri that Saturday so as to be able to preach the next day, Sunday. Do you know what I had to finally do? I chartered a helicopter that cost me N2 million to drop me in Warri. When they dropped me here, ah, I can’t tell you how I felt that I had to part with that sum. But I had promised the young man and the church and if I had said  no, will it be right? I can go on and on and on.

So, sometimes, my schedule is so complicated. Now, with this plane, it changes everything about my movements. Now, I can move, I can even go and come back home. It is a bit more convenient for me and I suspect that this is one of the reasons a lot of these other preachers have planes.[/b]


Does your congregation understand all these engagements?

They do. They feel the pain I go through and they feel painful for not seeing me most of the time. They don’t like it, they are troubled.  I know some people buy planes, I can’t buy plane. I can’t afford it. I don’t have that kind of money, I still don’t know the people that bought this plane, but I know that there is a committee.

I hope you will get to meet with some of the people in that committee, I don’t  know them. My wife is more involved with them.  She (my wife) never talked to me, (about it) and she was acting strange. Well, I don’t want to get involved in this. This is my story about the plane. And I’m not ashamed to own a plane, I think it is a necessity and not a luxury for some of us deeply involved in the work of God to own planes.


http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/11/my-private-jet-story-by-pastor-ayo-oritsejafor/

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Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by k2039: 8:43am On Nov 25, 2012
If all he said is true,I still dont see the need for acquiring a private jet,infact it's cheaper chartering a plane or helicopter than owning a jet(after all it's not like he is going to be chattering them all the time).

Frankly,since you claim not to be able to acquire a jet,I dont see how you will mainatain it(I hope is advisers made him know that jet maintenance is highly costly or will the jet be maintained by thesame people who bought it)

He made a tremendous gaffe when he said he doesnt know those who bought it, how are you sure then that the fund for the acquisition wasnt a stolen fund.(if someone gives one a gift of X naira,the reciever should be able to verify that a gift of X naira is withing his capacity),he got it absolutely wrong there.

I think Pastor should learn more about the act of delegation,you cant be at all place at all time,even Jethro had to tell Moses thatt he will only kill himself if he keeps doing everything all by himself.Sir,learn to delegate.

Finaly,if the catholics dare read this,you will only recieve more bashing on your statement concerning the leadership of the early church in the apostle's days.


All in all,I couldnt believe I read the whole article.
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Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by mike404(m): 9:02am On Nov 25, 2012
Hope ya listening pastor TUNDE BAKARE sad

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Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by Nobody: 9:26am On Nov 25, 2012
The Pastor claimed not to have the kind of money that will buy a Plane. I wonder where he'll get the money for the maintenance.

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Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by ebamma3: 10:10am On Nov 25, 2012
A private jet a necessity for a pastor?, i now know why Jesus wept.

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Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by redsun(m): 10:20am On Nov 25, 2012
Kai!Odiodi.He thinks that the trenches called roads that common nigerians navigates day in day out is enough reason for him to buy a private jet that cost millions of dollars.

Jesus would have selflessly spent that money on fixing the roads to save thousands of innocent lives annually in nigeria.

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Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by LailaIkeji1: 10:24am On Nov 25, 2012
lipsrsealed hmmn
Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by zig2ryme04: 11:31am On Nov 25, 2012
Acts 24:25-26- Felix attempts to solicit a bribe from Paul,indicating that Paul must have been a man of considerable wealth.Why try to get money from someone who has none?

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Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by zig2ryme04: 11:34am On Nov 25, 2012
John 19: 23-24- Jesus wore a seamless robe, which was a very costly garment.
Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by zig2ryme04: 11:37am On Nov 25, 2012
Luke 8: 2-3- Jesus had a doner base of people who "ministered to Him of their substance."
Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by zig2ryme04: 11:38am On Nov 25, 2012
Luke 6:38-As we give to God, He multiplies it back to us again.
Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by zig2ryme04: 11:38am On Nov 25, 2012
Matthew 2:1-12: Even from Jesus' childhood, we see the Father's miraculous provision in operation. A caravan of Magi, wise men from the east, make a long journey to bring priceless gifts to the child Jesus. Researchers have estimated these gifts to be worth around $200,000,000 in modern currency.
Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by homerac7: 12:01pm On Nov 25, 2012
^

Really? ...and he remained a local Nazarene carpenter? ...and d "rich" kid could be hidden from Herod's men? Hmmm... the way you guys go all way to defend a matter of obvious moral failing is obscene.

simple test; the Maggis are wise men from East were Zoroaster masters, looking at culture of Zoroastrianism, does in blend with ur $200m gift story? Pls just do a little esearch wt d key words i gav u and revert properly. Bu pls don't concoct daftly because there r other people on look out for ur response.

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Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by Series22(m): 12:03pm On Nov 25, 2012
ebamma 3: all dis lamentations for dis kind early morning pastor ayo, are u guilty or not guilty?
a little bit of both.
*Dis message was sent 4rm my Nokia C1*
Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by zig2ryme04: 12:09pm On Nov 25, 2012
homerac7: ^

Really? ...and he remained a local Nazarene carpenter? ...and d "rich" kid could be hidden from Herod's men? Hmmm... the way you guys go all way to defend a matter of obvious moral failing is obscene.

simple test; the Maggis are wise men from East were Zoroaster masters, looking at culture of Zoroastrianism, does in blend with ur $200m gift story? Pls just do a little esearch wt d key words i gav u and revert properly. Bu pls don't concoct daftly because there r other people on look out for ur response.

John 1:35-39- Jesus had a home, large enough to have overnight guests.
2 Corinthians 8:9-Jesus became poor (by comparison to the treasures of Heaven) that we might be made rich. This could not be simply referring to spiritual riches, as the entire context of this passage deals with money.
Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by homerac7: 12:20pm On Nov 25, 2012
^

stop sounding like a robot. u hav a brain and a mind, pls use them. u refused to answer simple question i put to u, rather u went ahead to make another spurious and self serving claim.

i am a christian also, but i havent found a place in d scripture that encourages me to me a gullible i.diot. it annoys me more when people come around to try justify acts that have obvious moral failings by twisting and turning d words of scripture.

now again, can u show proof of research dt says Jesus recieved $200m from the visiting Zoroaster Masters who are more or less academicians (star gazers/ astrologers/ mathemathecians/ philosophers/ environmentalists/ ) monks?

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Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by tobechi74: 12:34pm On Nov 25, 2012
So after readin dis, we should discharge you and congratulate u??


U made it worse
Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by Princess1982(f): 12:40pm On Nov 25, 2012
A 100 peoples school fees lol if he would take the money it cost to purchase and maintain a jet he could pay a 1000 peoples school fees and still have money left over. If this pastor had any dignity he would return the jet the country as a whole has 70 percent of people living in poverty and Im sure its not only people from the top 30 percent in his congregation. I mean he claimed to serve God all those years affectivly without a jet whats the use of one now?

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Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by GARRIx7(m): 1:01pm On Nov 25, 2012
*In a Child's voice*

"Daddy You Can Lie OOO!!! Which time did tortoise fall??"

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Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by TableLeg(m): 1:08pm On Nov 25, 2012
Oritsejafor go and tell your story to the frogs and cockroaches ...
The fact still remains that there is no justification for a jet ...
There is no need for such opulence and extravagance .
Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by khanivorous(f): 1:12pm On Nov 25, 2012
zig2ryme04:

John 1:35-39- Jesus had a home, large enough to have overnight guests.
2 Corinthians 8:9-Jesus became poor (by comparison to the treasures of Heaven) that we might be made rich. This could not be simply referring to spiritual riches, as the entire context of this passage deals with money.



Hmmmmmm

Jesus said before you can serve him you have to let go off all worldly things

Jesus said its easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man entering the kingdom of god

His parable of the RICH FOOL shows that riches would push your focus away from things of God

Lazarus and the rich man: the rich man went to hell and lazarus went to heaven

Zaccheus was asked to give out his riches to the poor

Nicodemus

He borrowed a horse/ donkey for his truimphant entry

He made reference on the widow that gave the smallest amount and ignored people that gave more

If he was so rich, his secretary: judas won't have betrayed him for 30pieces of silver since he was incharge of his ministry's money

He was buried in another mans tomb

In summation jesus showed reasons why accumulation of weight is detrimental to the pursuit of heaven

Jesus wore seamless robe yet food he didn't pay his taxes...he had to perform a miracle to get money from a fish gut to pay

He trekked....he did not use CHARIOTS

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Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by GARRIx7(m): 1:15pm On Nov 25, 2012
zig2ryme04: Acts 24:25-26- Felix attempts to solicit a bribe from Paul,indicating that Paul must have been a man of considerable wealth.Why try to get money from someone who has none?
THRASH!!!

Paul was a tent-maker.
Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by fkaz(m): 1:21pm On Nov 25, 2012
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Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by passion007: 1:42pm On Nov 25, 2012
zig2ryme04:

John 1:35-39- Jesus had a home, large enough to have overnight guests.
2 Corinthians 8:9-Jesus became poor (by comparison to the treasures of Heaven) that we might be made rich. This could not be simply referring to spiritual riches, as the entire context of this passage deals with money.
how does your assumption compare against Jesus' own words: 'foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head'. Jesus was not the rich kid you are trying to portray.
His seamless robe was undoubtedly of high quality but was already out of fashion in his day, which is why his oppressors said 'let us not divide it, instead let us cast lots to see whose it shall become'. Jesus lived a low-profile life and took after his father's trade in carpentry. Therefore, when the people said: 'he has done all things well' they were referring to the tables and chairs he made that were of sturdy construction, incomparable to the works of all the other carpenters in Nazareth.
Contrast the quiet, humble and mystical life of Christ from the loud, showy and densely materialistic life of today's 'men of God'...be the judge of that.

Remember what Christ promises his followers:

'if anyone wants to be my disciple, let him TAKE UP HIS CROSS DAILY and follow me'. In other words, what he promises his disciples is not riches and prosperity but suffering.
But of course, many of the Nigerian pastors are clearly unprepared to follow in the footsteps of Christ. That is what Jesus meant by putting one's hand to the plough and looking back at the world's riches and attractions, 'such a person is not worthy to be my disciple'.

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Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by homerac7: 2:26pm On Nov 25, 2012
passion007: how does your assumption compare against Jesus' own words: 'foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head'. Jesus was not the rich kid you are trying to portray.
His seamless robe was undoubtedly of high quality but was already out of fashion in his day, which is why his oppressors said 'let us not divide it, instead let us cast lots to see whose it shall become'. Jesus lived a low-profile life and took after his father's trade in carpentry. Therefore, when the people said: 'he has done all things well' they were referring to the tables and chairs he made that were of sturdy construction, incomparable to the works of all the other carpenters in Nazareth.
Contrast the quiet, humble and mystical life of Christ from the loud, showy and densely materialistic life of today's 'men of God'...be the judge of that.

Remember what Christ promises his followers:

'if anyone wants to be my disciple, let him TAKE UP HIS CROSS DAILY and follow me'. In other words, what he promises his disciples is not riches and prosperity but suffering.
But of course, many of the Nigerian pastors are clearly unprepared to follow in the footsteps of Christ. That is what Jesus meant by putting one's hand to the plough and looking back at the world's riches and attractions, 'such a person is not worthy to be my disciple'.

Thank u sir for helping to knock some common sense into that fella's skull.

I don't agree that Christians necessarily must be poor or mediocre in affairs of life, but that's not excuse to give in to avarice and pervert the scriptures to suit out vanities. More damning is the "brainless" trend of trying to sound smart by trying to justify obviously weak positions by making reference to some only-God-knows research or proof which they probably heard from another marauder.

This is a simple matter of morality. Even your consciences prickle you, yet you seek long philosophical theories to console yourselves. But the moral blemish still stares u in the face.

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Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by homerac7: 2:28pm On Nov 25, 2012
multiple posts. removed. wink
Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by homerac7: 2:28pm On Nov 25, 2012
multiple posts. removed. wink
Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by Super1759: 3:00pm On Nov 25, 2012
henceforth, I am not gonna judge anyone,let God,the owner of the world judge the world.

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Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by passion007: 3:27pm On Nov 25, 2012
homerac7:

Thank u sir for helping to knock some common sense into that fella's skull.

I don't agree that Christians necessarily must be poor or mediocre in affairs of life, but that's not excuse to give in to avarice and pervert the scriptures to suit out vanities. More damning is the "brainless" trend of trying to sound smart by trying to justify obviously weak positions by making reference to some only-God-knows research or proof which they probably heard from another marauder.

This is a simple matter of morality. Even your consciences prickle you, yet you seek long philosophical theories to console yourselves. But the moral blemish still stares u in the face.
it jars on my nerves in much the same way too. Some Christians fall to distorting the Bible in order to score a point--so much effort to make Ayo's acquisition of a private jet less unpalatable. Christian leaders regardless of their accomplishments in life should remain modest and detached, and put the needs of their congregation ahead of their own whims and caprices.

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Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by Damojo: 3:39pm On Nov 25, 2012
Hope the jet takes him to paradise too so he won't have to wait in line on the judgement day. God help his followers!

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Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by 2good(m): 3:43pm On Nov 25, 2012
zig2ryme04: Matthew 2:1-12: Even from Jesus' childhood, we see the Father's miraculous provision in operation. A caravan of Magi, wise men from the east, make a long journey to bring priceless gifts to the child Jesus. Researchers have estimated these gifts to be worth around $200,000,000 in modern currency.

This is absolute foolishness in reasoning and interpretation.

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Re: Private Jet Is A Necessity And Not A Luxury - Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor by lacasa: 3:43pm On Nov 25, 2012
Wetin him ηo go talk undecided

After all, fresh air is blowing his way naa angry

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