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| Re: Letter To Daddy Freeze — From A 16-Year-Old Boy by obailala(m): 7:47pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
pauladonis: olumide4christ:As far as I am concerned, there is nothing wrong with paying tithes; it's an act of love and honour for God and God definitely rewards faithful givers who make such sacrifices. The only area where there is a problem however is how some preachers teach that paying a tenth of ones earning is mandatory commandment of God given to Christians (i.e. new covenant believers including Gentiles); I'm yet to come across any scriptural backing for that message. Some preachers have also gone to the extent of saying a non-tither can't make heaven irrespective of what else the person does right. Should we actually believe this? How exactly is that scriptural? Of course Abraham paid a tithe of his spoils to King Melchizedek and Jesus' priesthood is in the order of King Melchizedek. But then, there's nowhere the bible ever mentions or infers that the tithe Abraham gave was a commandment from God, Abraham gave it out of his own freewill and out of love and gratitude to God. Also, neither was it documented anywhere that Abraham did that more than once. It's on record that only the Mosaic tithing Law was mandatory for the Jews; and we all agree the Mosaic laws were never passed down to Gentile believers after the great commission. So the real question is, for those preachers (a lot but not all) who teach about tithing on a regular basis being a mandatory command of God to all believers today, where exactly did that come from? |
| Re: Letter To Daddy Freeze — From A 16-Year-Old Boy by Glink2018(m): 8:24pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
obailala:How Will a slowpoke comprehend? |
| Re: Letter To Daddy Freeze — From A 16-Year-Old Boy by obailala(m): 9:17pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
Glink2018:You still speak in parables; you must think I'm one of your family members. God forbid! |
| Re: Letter To Daddy Freeze — From A 16-Year-Old Boy by Glink2018(m): 9:34pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
obailala:Abeg, free me... |
| Re: Letter To Daddy Freeze — From A 16-Year-Old Boy by vjohnson: 10:16pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
Daddy freeze my friend God bless you |
| Re: Letter To Daddy Freeze — From A 16-Year-Old Boy by pauladonis(m): 10:48pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
obailala:Yes, as you have said, giving of tithe should be out of love, not because we fear God or because anyone forced us to. The Bible admonishes us to be coveteous of good works, tithing is a good work as such... Our pastors, prophets and evangelists these days are similar to the levites in that God doesn't allow them to have their own business, (at least my own pastors don't have their own business) and are right to receive tithes which is used to run the church. Moreover, I believe that if God could give us His only begotten Son, and all the inheritance that comes with accepting Jesus for free, we shouldn't be forced to pay tithes to Him. The selfish nature of man however makes it difficult to accept this logic. There are several Old Testament giving doctrines (e.g, doctrine of First Fruits) that some churches still follow and they reap bountiful blessings by doing so. These things become easier to practice for someone who understands it and has had a personal encounter with God. |
| Re: Letter To Daddy Freeze — From A 16-Year-Old Boy by vjohnson: 11:21pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
My dddy freeze |
| Re: Letter To Daddy Freeze — From A 16-Year-Old Boy by owoshuyi(m): 11:48pm On Dec 09, 2018 |
Tithe appears in the new testament here LUKE 11 vs 42; LUKE 18 vs 13; HEBREWS 7 vs 5-9 grandstar: |
| Re: Letter To Daddy Freeze — From A 16-Year-Old Boy by obailala(m): 12:03am On Dec 10, 2018 |
pauladonis:Tithing is a good thing there's no doubt about that. But that is clearly not the point; the point is, 'did God command new covenant believers to always pay 10% of their earnings to him or risk eternal punishment'? Does that message have any scriptural backing? The only scriptural reference to mandatory tithing was the Mosaic Laws which of course were fulfilled on the cross. Except one does not believe in Christ as the messiah or his sacrifice on the cross, new covenant believers, especially gentile believers were never subject to the Mosaic Laws. Even when the Pharisees tried to force down the Mosaic laws on gentile Christians, it was turned down by the apostles (read Acts 15:5-10). So why exactly are preachers of today clearly contradicting the stand of the original apostles by scaring Christians with the curses of the law over non-payment of a mandatory 10% of their income (i.e. malachi etc.)?... Isnt this what the pharisees were kniwn for which earned then rebuke from Christ severally? Whatever happened to the teaching of Apostle Paul in 2Corr 9:7 where he taught gentile believers to give willingly whatever they chose in their hearts (as opposed to a specific percentage)? Does that no longer count as important?... Let us tell ourselves the truth, would Jesus really be happy watching today's preachers scare believers into paying tithes by threatening a potential financial crisis in their lives and eternal damnation?... |
| Re: Letter To Daddy Freeze — From A 16-Year-Old Boy by Opelwonder(m): 8:25am On Dec 10, 2018 |
ollah2:I don't know ur background but these guys are not deceived. there is power in these churches. in Shiloh I received my own healing from an ear problem I had.( pain in the ear and tinnitus) these 2 problems completely healed. the good part was that I only went once and that day I was healed. so u see my brother, there is power in these places I called. my dad avoided a serious surgical operation just by watching a sermon by a preacher. God still works wonders today. the Bible is real. if there are fake prophets, there are real ones. I recommend those 3 churches to u. if u attend any of them, u will do well. peace! |
| Re: Letter To Daddy Freeze — From A 16-Year-Old Boy by worriedguy(m): 9:26am On Dec 10, 2018 |
Willexmania:he is not 16, he is 24. Check this https://www.nairaland.com/4468775/need-girl-life |
| Re: Letter To Daddy Freeze — From A 16-Year-Old Boy by pauladonis(m): 5:35pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
obailala:The bottom line summarily is to Pay Tithes not because of fear of some curses in the Old Testament. [b] obailala:The bottom line summarily is to Pay Tithes not because of fear of some curses in the Old Testament. [/b] obailala:The bottom line summarily is to Pay Tithes not because of fear of some curses in the Old Testament. The people of the Old Testament were so stiff necked that anytime Moses came with an instruction from God, he had to add curses for those that will surely disobey them. If we are not like them, gentiles or not, tithing is not optional for anyone who wants to fully activate the new covenant blessings in his/her life. As such, we should do it willingly and not because we don't want to be cursed. Like I said, It is a matter of personal encounter because you may not understand what God has told an individual personally (I know of several people who give more than anything he statutory 10%). I'll advise that you get a copy of the book "Biblical keys to financial prosperity" by Kenneth Hagin. |
| Re: Letter To Daddy Freeze — From A 16-Year-Old Boy by obailala(m): 7:19pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
pauladonis:You keep evading the very simple point and diverting to other issues bothering on the blessings of tithing. The point here isn't about the benefits of tithing, the issue here is how the sermon on tithing is being blatantly twisted (either deliberately or through negligence) by current day preachers. All I'm trying to say is that there is no scriptural instruction or command that Christians should pay any particular percentage of their increase to a church, but we unfortunately still have a lot of preachers who teach this false message, telling believers that it a sin if they dont pay tithe. How can you not see anything wrong in this deliberate twisting of scripture from the pulpit? |
| Re: Letter To Daddy Freeze — From A 16-Year-Old Boy by Youngsage: 9:09pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
If a 16years old wrote this then age truly is just a number... Maybe freeze can learn a thing or two from this 16years oldmstcheww. Truly, the standard of education in Nigeria has gone to the dogs. When I was 16 I couldn't even dare write such a punctuation bereft and grammatical error ridden piece not to talked of calling it a letter. Mediocrity has become the standard! |
| Re: Letter To Daddy Freeze — From A 16-Year-Old Boy by Youngsage: 9:16pm On Dec 10, 2018 |
Boboye4slim:Hello... Well I didn't want to reply this initially but I just had a second thought. You wanna hear the truth? The time you spent in putting this together would have been more beneficial to you if only you invested it in carrying out a personal search of what the Bible says tithe is. It is not too late anyway. Paying of 'Tithe' is not Christian like. However there is a difference between tithe and freewill offerings. You at liberty to give to the church according to your discretion and under no compulsion but that isn't the case today in most of these religious organizations. |
| Re: Letter To Daddy Freeze — From A 16-Year-Old Boy by ashjay001(m): 1:00pm On Dec 12, 2018 |
Boboye4slim:For a sixteen year old, u're quite impressive! Wehdone. But, as someone else said, shebi, yahoo yahoo too, no force anyone And, Muslims, wet no sabi tithes, dey progress too |
| Re: Letter To Daddy Freeze — From A 16-Year-Old Boy by DAYOODS(m): 9:20am On Dec 13, 2018 |
Franking:You be mumu I don't even pay tithe Ode . |
| Re: Letter To Daddy Freeze — From A 16-Year-Old Boy by chukskafor(m): 9:34pm On Dec 13, 2018 |
notoriousbabe:Your parents should demand the refund of your school fees please |
| Re: Letter To Daddy Freeze — From A 16-Year-Old Boy by notoriousbabe: 2:12pm On Dec 14, 2018 |
chukskafor:وَعَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي تَمِيمَةَ، عَنْ عِكْرِمَةَ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ، أَنَّهُ قَالَ جَاءَتِ امْرَأَةُ ثَابِتِ بْنِ قَيْسٍ إِلَى رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقَالَتْ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ إِنِّي لاَ أَعْتُبُ عَلَى ثَابِتٍ فِي دِينٍ وَلاَ خُلُقٍ، وَلَكِنِّي لاَ أُطِيقُهُ. فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَتَرُدِّينَ عَلَيْهِ حَدِيقَتَهُ " قَالَتْ نَعَمْ |
| Re: Letter To Daddy Freeze — From A 16-Year-Old Boy by chukskafor(m): 10:27pm On Dec 14, 2018 |
notoriousbabe:I wish you and your generation the same |
| Re: Letter To Daddy Freeze — From A 16-Year-Old Boy by Imichael100: 5:10pm On Dec 18, 2018 |
IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH (Gen1:1). HE CREATED MAN IN HIS OWN IMAGE AND LIKENESS(Gen1:26), HE PLACED MAN IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN, (A PLACE OF NO LACK AND WANT). HE GAVE MAN A JOB TO TEND EDEN (Gen 2:15) AND PAID HIM WITH ABUNDANCE FOOD TO EAT (Gen 2:16). HOWEVER GOD TOLD MAN NOT TO TOUCH A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF his FOOD THEREBY MAKING THAT PERCENTAGE A TITHE (Genesis 2:17). ALL WAS GOING WELL UNTIL A STRANGER (the likes of daddy freeze and co.) ENTERED THE GARDEN AND DECEIVED MAN TO TOUCH THAT PART THAT GOD LEFT FOR HIMSELF (Genesis 3:1-23). GOD KICKED THE FIRST MAN AND HIS WIFE OUT OF THE GARDEN (Gen3:24) AS A RESULT OF DISOBEDIENCE. THE GARDEN OF EDEN IS STILL IN EXISTENCE EVEN AFTER THE FLOOD DESTRUCTION BUT NOT AS A PLACE INSTEAD AS A STATE (BEING) BECAUSE whatever God does, It shall be forever. (Ecclesiastes 3:14). REMEMBER (2COR 10:6- SAYS TO PUT AN END TO ALL DISOBEDIENCE, YOUR OBEDIENCE MUST BE COMPLETE). THE STORY CONTINUES ADAM AND EVE GAVE BIRTH TO CAIN AND ABEL, (Gensis4:1) CAIN AND ABEL BECAME OF AGE AND THEY STARTED WORKING (Gen4:2) AND BY EXPERIENCE THEY RECKON THAT THEIR FIRST ACT OF RESPECT OR OBEDIENCE WAS TO GIVE GOD THEIR FIRST FRUIT. ABEL DID WELL, BUT CAIN HAD A STRANGER (the likes of daddy freeze and co..) STANDING BY HIS DOOR (Gen4:7), HE BROUGHT RUBBISH TO GOD AND WAS REJECTED. (remember GOD does not eat burnt food but HE HIS looking for that Ingredient of OBEDIENCE). NOAH SECURED THE RACE OF MANKIND FROM FLOODING DESTRUCTION THROUGH TITHE. (Gen 8:21) ABRAHAM DID NOT ONLY PAY HIS TITHE, HE WAS WILLING TO KILL HIS ONLY SON FOR GOD (This was to make us understand that God is not interested in burnt food but HE HIS LOOKING OUT FOR OBEDIENCE) (Gen22.2) HE BECAME THE FATHER OF NATIONS. DEUT 14:23 Doing this will teach you always to fear the Lord your God. PROV3:9 Honor the Lord with your wealth and with the best part of everything you produce. THE STORY CONTINUES.. TITHE IS THE LEAST AVENUE THAT GOD HAS GIVEN US TO PROOF OUR OBEDIENCE IF I MAY ASK, HOW MANY OF YOU HERE ARE WILLING TO DIE FOR THE SAKE OF THE GOSPEL LIKE THE APOSTLE DID? THEY GAVE MORE THAN TITHE, JESUS GAVE HIMSELF. TITHE IS THE KEY TO EDEN ON EARTH NOT JUST YOU ONLY TO YOUR GENERATION TO COME ALSO. DISOBEDIENCE TOOK US OUT OF EDEN OBEDIENCE WILL WILL TAKE US BACK. THE FIRST AMERICAN BILLIONAIRE (JOHN D ROCKFELLER) WAS A TITHER AND A DEDICATED KINGDOM ADVANCEMENT WORKER ANY JEW YOU SEE TODAY "BLESSED" IS HAS A FUNCTION OF ABRAHAM'S GIVING THE COVENANT IS VALID TO GENERATION TO COME. JESUS CAME INTO A CHURCH ONE DAY AND HE DIDNT SEAT ON THE ALTAR OR ON THE PEW, HE WAS STANDING BY THE OFFERING BOX AND THE GIVING OF A WIDOW MADE JESUS TO CALLED HIS DISCIPLES SO HE CAN TEACH THEM A LESSON. (Mark 12:42) THE PHYSICAL TRANSACTION GOES TO THE PRIEST OR PASTOR BUT JESUS IS IN CHARGE OF THE SPIRITUAL TRANSACTION AND THE SPIRITUAL BLESSING IS MORE GRACIOUS THAN THE PHYSICAL... DONT LET STRANGERS DECEIVE YOU. ONLY FOOLS DOUBT PROOFS |
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