rvp20183:
Nairobi is a well planned city. There have been lapses as the city grew rapidly but generally Nairobi remains a planned city. The first masterplan I think date to 1948. Then next major update in 1973. The 1984. The I think 1993 and recently there is new masterplan.

The nearest you have to a planned city in Nigeria is Abuja. The rest are pure mess.

From the article I read, Nairobi metamorphosed from a mere train station to a town. It was not planned. The 1948 plan was only for the CDB area but was badly implemented while the whole remaining parts were left to develop naturally. Bhuhahahaha!


No wonder, no part of Nairobi is recognised as a planned area. Unlike, Nigeria that has many areas recognised as planned areas.


EAC is planned. Ikeja is planned. Lekki is planned. Victoria Island is planned. Ikoyi is planned. Festac is planned. Banana island is planned. All these cities within Lagos state are recognised as planned cities.

Bonny island is recognised as a planned in Rivers state.

Abuja is planned in FCT.

Centenary city is also planned in FCT.

The world knows about this undiluted fact. Poor Kenya. You don't have one single planned city. Even the one planned by the colonial master covers CBD but wasn't executed.

kikuyu1:


Its not just Tigrays;its everyone! Every ethnic group has an ancient grievance with another one:a Nilotic Anuak from the South told me they're regularly referred to as baria (slave) by Tigrayans and Amharas . Also in 2004 or 2003,IIRC, the ruling TPLF killed at least 400 Anuak when they protested the seizure of their farmland.
Among Oromos,Boranas and Gabbras have issues relating to cattle and land that frequently lead to gunshots. At the bottom are the Southerners like Anuaks,Amarkoke,Shangilas and Dassenach. There are deep racial,linguistic,cultural and religious issues in Ethiopia and the surprise is according to their constitution any disaffected group can leave and peacefully secede!

rvp20183:
Indeed Kenya tribalism is benign compared to them. It something that arise in election - otherwise kenyans dine, marry, live and work together. For Ethiopea - it like you've got Indian type caste systems. It like Rwanda-Burundi - Tutsi/Hutu - even inter-marriage is so hard. Yes constitution say you can leave..but Somalis have been trying to leave without much luck. I think Tigrays will eventually live and create another small Eritrea. And so will Somalis. The Oromos & Amharamas can sort of agree to disagree. They clearly don't care about the nilotic south - or the so called Southern Nations.

Hmm, interesting. I think you guys are very correct.
**** The divisions in Ethiopia is far more than Tigray hatred. Every ethnic group seems to be at each others throat over there.

Believe me, Nigeria would have been worse than Ethiopia, had we not dissolved the old regional systems and created a unitary system of government.

>>>> The only people who have not integrated and will never integrate into Nigerian mainstream culture are the Hausa fulanis and Kanuris. Otherwise, other Nigerians wine, dine and intermarry each other.

If I may ask, do Kenyan Swahilis and Somalis socialize and intermarry other Kenyans?

PROVERBZ:
I think its English and Swahili Burundi is Swahili and French

Permit me to ask if you are Kenyan or Nigerian.

You're talking estates in Lagos - Eko City is 5Kms sq - I am talking Nairobi - something close to Abuja.Nairobi has always been planned. The rest are details. Nigeria cities are so un-planned - they are slumpolis. You can basically build anything anywhere anytime.

forgiveness:

From the article I read, Nairobi metamorphoses from a mere train station to a town. It was not planned. The 1948 plan was only for the CDB area but was badly implemented while the whole remaining parts were left to develop naturally. Bhuhahahaha!


No wonder, no part of Nairobi is recognised as a planned area. Unlike, Nigeria that has many areas recognised as planned areas.


EAC is planned. Ikeja is planned. Lekki is planned. Victoria Island is planned. Ikoyi is planned. Festac is planned. Banana island is planned. All these cities within Lagos state are recognised as planned cities.

Bonny island is recognised as a planned in Rivers state.

Abuja is planned in FCT.

Centenary city is also planned in FCT.

The world knows about this undiluted fact. Poor Kenya. You don't have one single planned city. Even the one planned by the colonial master covers CBD but wasn't executed.

jaycent:
You don't need to take them serious bro? Don't listen to these busus

At all. I have learnt my lessons.

Generally they do not marry- except within religious circle - islam.But socialize they will. They are small minority. Somalis are like 3-5% of kenya.Swahilis are not even 0.5%.

genieluv:

If I may ask, do Kenyan Swahilis and Somalis socialize and intermarry other Kenyans?

NairobiWalker:
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You can't avoid Kenyans, Kenyans are like the air you breathe. When we speak, you feel a tinge to respond. When we are not around, you get suffocated. A thread about Kenya is definitely the longest on Nairaland and you can't keep off it. See? We are your fathers. Baba zenu.

Just for the records, this is not the longest thread on nairaland.
**** This thread is long because you Kenyans seem so interested in Nigeria. There are even more of you here than Nigerians here.

genieluv:


Permit me to ask if you are Kenyan or Nigerian.

Nigerian I said it was English because the rwandan team who recently came to Nigeria to play enyimba spoke English even their fans on enyimba page could but I just googled down their official language and I saw French and English included

Nairobi greenery
1) Estate level


2) At street level
[img]https://lydiaasena.files./2014/04/img_3487.jpg[/img]


3) Estate level - upper class

samsobo24:
weldone


Lazy Kenyans say EAC has just 2 towers.



What Kenyan whites can never achieve

They think its a child's play reclaiming land and developing it.This reason makes Lagos the most planned city in Africa.

Nairobi CBD is poorly planned and they compare with a CBD that has its Arena totally planned.

Continue to show us more

Don't forget to expose that wrought of a CBD poorly developed by their whites

Honestly, Kenya is not near Nigeria in terms of development. Nairobi is way below the pecking order compared with planned cities in Nigeria.

The early they accept this simple fact the better for them.

Sound like self-consolation. Find us a objective third party that ranks Nairobi below Abuja or Lagos.
Nairobi has always been planned.

[img]https://panoramicdon.files./2013/11/cropped-nairobi.jpg[/img]
[img]https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/aerial-view-of-suburbs-of-nairobi-kenya-picture-id621191832[/img]

forgiveness:

Honestly, Kenya is not near Nigeria in terms of development. Nairobi is way below the pecking order compared with planned cities in Nigeria.
The early they accept this simple fact the better for them.

forgiveness:




Eko White pearl tower has been upgraded from 31 - 37 floors. . It should be around 165m.

http://www.ekopearltowers.com/blog/2017/09/28/eko-pearl-tower-c-updates-changes/

See the construction below.

You can also see other projects here. The latest is Corporate Tower I.

The Tower on the left.

http://www.ekopearltowers.com/

Eko Atlantic city is definitely not going to have a match in Africa when it's completed.
***** It's a pity that the builders of Abuja centennary city are not serious.

genieluv:


Simply true. For instance, not until I came across this thread did I even know the importance of pictoral views of cities.
***** I have come to the conclusion that Nigeria may be seriously lagging behind in terms of development, but it seems like we definitely have more developing urban areas per population compared to other African countries except South Africa. And this definitely occured due to the early proliferation of Nigerian states.
Do you think this military era proliferation of states was good for us?
>>>> For me, I think it was good but we would have stuck with the first 12 states only. As this would have given us 12 very powerful and better developed cities today compared to the dozens we have now (many of whom are shadows of their past selves).

The bolded is undiluted fact. Nigeria has so many developed areas that are even better than capitals of some African states.

All things work together for good. However, I think we need to restructure the country. Places like Jos should be raking in millions of dollars from tourism, mineral resources and weather but due to some restrictions, Jos or plateau state is not living up to it's potential.

I think when that is done, there will be competition that will spur city development.

genieluv:


Just for the records, this is not the longest thread on nairaland.
**** This thread is long because you Kenyans seem so interested in Nigeria. There are even more of you here than Nigerians here.

It's also long because you Nigerians can't get off Kenya's ass. We are here because this thread is about Kenya, if we were so much interested in Nigeria we would be hovering over your Edo airlines and Igbo vs Yoruba threads. If this thread was closed, you won't find me on Nairaland.

genieluv:


Eko Atlantic city is definitely not going to have a match in Africa when it's completed.
***** It's a pity that the builders of Abuja centennary city are not serious.

Definitely.

I think all issues revolving the whole issues have been resolved. Centenary city is back on track from what I heard or do you have any information that says otherwise?

Makueni Kenya
[img]https://bunipress.files./2018/08/39131362_2249377811960276_571577095314997248_n.jpg[/img]

Karen - Nairobi

forgiveness:



From the article I read, Nairobi metamorphoses from a mere train station to a town. It was not planned. The 1948 plan was only for the CDB area but was badly implemented while the whole remaining parts were left to develop naturally. Bhuhahahaha!


No wonder, no part of Nairobi is recognised as a planned area. Unlike, Nigeria that has many areas recognised as planned areas.


EAC is planned. Ikeja is planned. Lekki is planned. Victoria Island is planned. Ikoyi is planned. Festac is planned. Banana island is planned. All these cities within Lagos state are recognised as planned cities.

Bonny island is recognised as a planned in Rivers state.

Abuja is planned in FCT.

Centenary city is also planned in FCT.

The world knows about this undiluted fact. Poor Kenya. You don't have one single planned city. Even the one planned by the colonial master covers CBD but wasn't executed.

The problem with you is that you rely on what somebody says than what is actually on ground. Just the same way you claim a building exists but can't show us its picture or which street it is on other than telling us a foreigner told you so. Now that those places you mention are planned on paper and are recognized as planned areas while a city like Paris just grew into a city naturally, are those places better planned than Paris?

Daejoyoung:

This is just mere propangada from western media, thesame western media that tells you Nigeria has the largest economy in Africa as well as the 3rd richest city on the continent? lt doesn't add up my friend, just think about it.
ln Warri for instance ( an oil city) there are so many middle class Nigerian millionaires ( in Naira) who live well in decent buildings and send their kids to the UK or Nigerian and Ghanian private schools.
Also, there are so many silent millionaires in another city called Nnewi, which even your western media can attest to, ( we aren't even talking about places like Abuja, Lagos or PortHarcourt here).
Some months ago, the Nigerian finance body spoke about including in tax payments, thousands of privately owned businesses in Lagos alone( worth millions of dollars) not currently under the tax class, to support Government revenue.
l know for a fact Nigeria is definitely rich, there are so many poor people in Southern Nigeria, but their numbers just do not add up to make Nigeria the poorest nation in the world.
As for the northerners, many whom we see as poor are just farmers whose lifestyles( or way of living) we do not understand.
So calling Nigeria( as a nation) poor or rich is quiet complex.

Nothing but the truth...

Western media statistics just cannot be trusted. For instance, when I watch documentaries and see the poverty in countries like India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, the Phillipines etc, I just can't understand why it would be said that Nigeria has far more poor people than these countries.
I see almost no difference in the lifestyles of these people and Nigerians.

I discovered that almost half of Indian population practice open defecation compared to 1/3 of Nigeria's population. Majority of Indians live in rural areas and in those rural areas, majority of them sleep on the floor! They do not even have beds.
I have been to the remotest rural areas of Northern Nigeria and you find almost all of them with beds and even televisions in their houses.

When you compare the pictures of rural south Asians and that of rural Nigerians, you find our people looking far more healthy than theirs.

rvp20183:
You're talking estates in Lagos - Eko City is 5Kms sq - I am talking Nairobi - something close to Abuja.Nairobi has always been planned. The rest are details. Nigeria cities are so un-planned - they are slumpolis. You can basically build anything anywhere anytime.

Lagos is different from Lagos state. That you should know now.

There are many cities in Lagos state and Ikeja happened to be the capital. It is a planned city on its own.

EAC is a planned city on its own and still part of Lagos state.

Victoria Island, Lagos Island and Ikoyi are what is known as Lagos. They are planned too. Yaba and Surulere are also part of Lagos.

Lekki is a planned city on its own and it's is still part of Lagos state.

There are other places like Badagry, Ikorodu and Epe. These are cities in Lagos state. They stand on their own.

I hope you have learnt something.

The only place we have highest concentration of slumpolis in the whole wide world is NAIROBI.

Runalong333:


You seemed pained that she found you guys unattractive .

I think you are right.

**** Ok Dear NairobiWalker, I'm sorry, I find Kenyan guys really really handsome and charming

(whispers into his ears), including you

genieluv:


Yeah. Kenyans seem to have a very wide range of facial expressions. There is really no stereotypical Kenyan look.
>>> Many Nigerians unfortunately use the Masais and the Kalenjin marathon runners only to judge Kenyans' looks cos that is what they mostly see on TV about Kenya. I used to fall in this category in the past .

**** I have observed that many Kenyans (Bantus and not even Kenyan Somalis) and Rwandans look cushitic like Horn Africans. Many other Kenyans look South Sudanese, many others can pass for Southern Nigerians.

But it seems like Rwandans have a very similar culture, accent and lifestyle with mainstream Bantu Kenya right?

•••• On Trace Mziki (the only channel on DStv that shows mostly east African music), I sometimes find it hard to distinguish which countries which musicians came from.
Take for instance, this song below, I always thought these ladies were Kenyan until yesterday!
Pls can you tell me what language is being sung here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VPm78zRlPc

And this lady, I though she was Tanzanian, only to discover that she is also Rwandan. Is the language she's singing in also Swahili or Kinyarwanda?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbhVk1_TWTs

~~~~~ I never thought Rwandan or Burundian songs were shown there too, I always thought it was Kenyan, Tanzanian or Ugandan cos
obviously Rwandans speak french. How wrong was I, it seems like Rwandans now speak English a lot as of late right?

As I said you can't distinguish us and Rwandese;the forehead,eyes,nose,oval face etc, etc. The women however is another story-Tutsi,women have a very specific morphology like 32-23-45 and they're talllllll,even 6" 2',eg Kagames' daughter,Ange is actually 6"5' and the tallest Kyuke female I've ever seen was my height at 6" 3'!! Also as soon as Rwandese females speak you hear sense,not endless ATTITUDE and you know they're not Kikuyus,sorry to say!! That's Kinyarwanda,btw.

genieluv:


Nor be small thin bros.

**** I'm in Kaduna now and it's getting really cold. This morning it was 17°c. My sister said it's the same in Abuja.
Bro, we are enjoying. My friends in Jos are already heading towards freezing nights !

Chai, And I'm supposed to be travelling to Jos next week for the festive period

I'm already as scared as hell ! The last time I was there during christmas few years ago, the temperature was as low as 7°c!
I wish I would remain here in the South.

genieluv:




I think you are right.

**** Ok Dear NairobiWalker, I'm sorry, I find Kenyan guys really really handsome and charming

(whispers into his ears), including you

You needed a brainless cheerleader. Just like forgiveness, you can't hold a factual discussion without crying like a baby when you have no brainless cheerleader jumping to everything you say. Congratulations for finding one. He'll be definitely the perfect one for you. Now go ahead and tell as how Kenyans don't groom, are black and ugly and how there are no slums in Nigeria. He'll definitely cheer you on.

genieluv:




I think you are right.

**** Ok Dear NairobiWalker, I'm sorry, I find Kenyan guys really really handsome and charming

(whispers into his ears), including you

Haahahaahaha. KiberaWalker will sleep so peacefully and high tonight after hearing this

NairobiWalker:


It's also long because you Nigerians can't get off Kenya's ass. We are here because this thread is about Kenya, if we were so much interested in Nigeria we would be hovering over your Edo airlines and Igbo vs Yoruba threads. If this thread was closed, you won't find me on Nairaland.

who needs you on nairaland....??

nobody is gonna miss you....adios....byebye....

bantudra:


who needs you on nairaland....??

nobody is gonna miss you....adios....byebye....

You're always hovering around this thread. YOU bantudragon definitely needs us.

NairobiWalker:


You needed a brainless cheerleader. Just like forgiveness, you can't hold a factual discussion without crying like a baby when you have no brainless cheerleader jumping to everything you say. Congratulations for finding one. He'll be definitely the perfect one for you. Now go ahead and tell as how Kenyans don't groom, are black and ugly and how there are no slums in Nigeria. He'll definitely cheer you on.

Bla bla bla. You talk too much dear

**** That doesn't change the fact that I have a big crush on you ***** My charming Kenyan Knight in shinning armour.

NairobiWalker:


You're always hovering around this thread. YOU bantudragon definitely needs us.

kiiikikikikiki....

i have nothing against good old school bashins....

i come here when am bored and ipobians are not available.....

NairobiWalker:


The problem with you is that you rely on what somebody says than what is actually on ground. Just the same way you claim a building exists but can't show us its picture or which street it is on other than telling us a foreigner told you so. Now that those places you mention are planned on paper and are recognized as planned areas while a city like Paris just grew into a city naturally, are those places better planned than Paris?

Have you heard of Baron Georges-Eugene Haussmann? He did the planning or you call it redesign. It was not built like Nairobi.

Nowenuse:


Nothing but the truth...

Western media statistics just cannot be trusted. For instance, when I watch documentaries.......

Aren't u contradicting itself ?

On one hand u don't trust western sources wrt X country

But one the other hand u base ur conclusions on Y country via documentaries etc produced by the same western sources or proxies at the behest of the same western sources.

Lolzz

Anyways cognitive trap is a second nature of human mind , it wants to see what it wants to see , and will see it one way or the other , right or wrong.

nemesis8u:


Aren't u contradicting itself ?

One hand u don't trust western sources wrt X country

And one the other hand u base ur conclusions on Y country via documentaries etc produced by the same western sources and proxies at the behest of the same western sources.



Anyways cognitive trap is a second nature of human mind , it wants to see what it wants to see , and will see it one way or the other , right or wrong.

whites cant be trusted in anything....

go ask native americans....

forgiveness:



Have you heard of Baron Georges-Eugene Haussmann? He did the planning or you call it redesign. It was not built like Nairobi.

What's on the ground speaks otherwise.