rvp20183:
If a neighborhood has slums - it is a slum. That is problem with Nigeria cities. There are no strict zones so entire cities end up becoming slums. Nairobi you'll find slums erected temporarily. You go to Jo'burg you'll find the same slums. You go to Capetown - there are slums. You go to Nigeria - and the entire city is SLUMMISH to use your words.

This pictures taken around Kibera - can demonstrate it.

You cannot call an entire community a slum unless of course every part of it is a slum. That would be ignorance on rampage.

Jonraid:
People in Kenyan slums can't build permanent houses because it's not their land. A slum is a slum in Kenya whilst Abeokuta which should be a city looks like a one major slum!

Many parts of Abeokuta may look like a slum but they're still not slums like those of Kenya.
They're just a bunch of old tightly packed houses.

jaycent:
You too dey take that boy serious and e dey pain me ahswer

Honestly! I could not help it. Anyway, na ignore mood I dey. If em tire e go find em level.

NairobiWalker:


Girl, I don't even know what you're arguing about. When I look on Google maps, I see a slum. When I google the name Mpape, I see slums. Who cares if there's a decent Mpape elsewhere? Who cares whether the whole of just part of Mpape is a slum? What matters, there's a slum right there in Abuja and you Nigerians have been lying to us that Abuja has no slum.

There's a slum in Abuja, okay, what is the name, Mpape, then I show a huge part of Mpape that is not even close to a slum, what then does that make you? Smart I guess.

***** Besides, why haven't you shown the slums called Durumi, Mabushi et al ?.....You listed many slums in Abuja.... I guess you worked so hard to find slummish looking parts but were bitterly frustrated at the fruitlesness

68816419:

Stop fooling your self my guy,
below is the map of Kibera slums only?

Kibera is just so huge bro, and to think that it is just only one of the numerous slums in Nairobi. So terrible.

darfay:


Please let's all ignore him

I'm just happy, that his life is miserable and that is on the verge of suicide

Ok na.. ignore mood activated.

NairobiWalker:


It's simply a corruption of English. We have our own corruption of English (Kenyan English) but we don't put too much emphasis on it because we already have a strong national language. You guys only have English, reason why you're struggling to have your version of pidgin recognized as a separate language.

Spanish was once a corruption of Latin but it diverged into an entirely different language with time.
**** Can you list dozens of nouns and verbs in your Kenyan english which have purely non-english origin?

••••• I can list more than a hundred nouns and verbs in Nigerian pidgin which have absolutely no meaning in English language.

Simply, Ours has evolved.

NairobiWalker:


Actually, I just went to google maps and typed Mpape. How hard is that?

Do the same for Durumi, Mabushi and other areas you called slums in Abuja, or what's so special about Mpape that you choose it and it alone amongst all the slums you listed? Smh.

genieluv:


Hmm, this is quite complex.

••••• Kazikazi is now saying that anyone who speak Swahili is a native swahili.

Aren't there people who identify as ethnic swahilis? It doesn't matter how other view them.

>>>> Take we Northern Nigerian minorities for instance, most Southern Nigerians identify and address us as Hausas, some of us have lost our native languages and hausa is becoming the mother tongue. However, we still never address ourselves as Hausa people.

***** Over 100 million west Africans speak Hausa fluently, but we know the true ethnic Hausas, they are barely about 30 million people.

Infact, at the end of the day, the subject of ethnicity is a complex one. People choose to identify themselves the way they like and we might as well have to accept them for what they say.

~~~~ The bone of contention here is saying that no one owns swahili language.
Since no one owns swahili, then can we say it is sort of a pidgin bantu or creole language?? If so, why then are these coastal people referred to as Waswahili (or Swahili people)? It's really confusing.

Swahili is a Bantu language, originally known as Ngozi then after borrowing heavily from Arabic became known as Swahili. The Arabs who settled at the East African coast intermarried with bantus to give forth a range of tribes depending on which Arab tribe intermarried with which Bantu tribe. These range of tribes are practically the real Swahilis if the definition of Swahili is to go by but they're very few. However, natives of the East African coast (e.g, Mijikenda, Pokomo etc in Kenya and Zaramo in Tanzania) are colloquially referred to as Swahilis by the interior people same way the Southerners call you Hausas. The reason I say there's no clear definition of Swahili is because even those 'real' Swahilis will still refer to themselves by other names such as Bajuni or Shirazi.

genieluv:


Do the same for Durumi, Mabushi and other areas you called slums in Abuja, or what's so special about Mpape that you choose it and it alone amongst all the slums you listed? Smh.

They're slums too, I checked......and as much as they may not be as bad as some parts of Kibera such as Silanga and Gatwekera, they are worse than other parts of Kibera such as Olympic and definitely worse than other Kenyan slums such as Kawangware and Kangemi.

forgiveness:


The bolded is undiluted fact. Nigeria has so many developed areas that are even better than capitals of some African states.

All things work together for good. However, I think we need to restructure the country. Places like Jos should be raking in millions of dollars from tourism, mineral resources and weather but due to some restrictions, Jos or plateau state is not living up to it's potential.

I think when that is done, there will be competition that will spur city development.

Wow, didn't see this comment.

**** So true. During the days of Old Benue-Plateau, Jos developed so well and the governor then James Gomwalk had so much in mind and achieved much.

Benue people felt so far from the capital and seat of government, hence the need to agitate for our own state.

•••• I believe we would definitely had achieved more if we were still together.

genieluv:


Spanish was once a corruption of Latin but it diverged into an entirely different language with time.
**** Can you list dozens of nouns and verbs in your Kenyan english which have purely non-english origin?

••••• I can list more than a hundred nouns and verbs in Nigerian pidgin which have absolutely no meaning in English language.

Simply, Ours has evolved.

Safari
Mzee
Bwana
Jamaa
Ubwogable
Vindu vihot
Kujaing
Dundaing
Si
Woiye
Chille
sukuma wiki

genieluv:


Kibera is just so huge bro, and to think that it is just only one of the numerous slums in Nairobi. So terrible.

What is your definition of huge?

genieluv:


Do the same for Durumi, Mabushi and other areas you called slums in Abuja, or what's so special about Mpape that you choose it and it alone amongst all the slums you listed? Smh.

I just went for the first one and found out the truth. You guys will argue over obvious things, just like forgiveness argues over non-existent buildings. Even when something is clear, you still argue. I'll bring you Durumi and Mabushi slums and you'll still find something to argue over.

genieluv:


Hmm, this is quite complex.

••••• Kazikazi is now saying that anyone who speak Swahili is a native swahili.

Aren't there people who identify as ethnic swahilis? It doesn't matter how other view them.

>>>> Take we Northern Nigerian minorities for instance, most Southern Nigerians identify and address us as Hausas, some of us have lost our native languages and hausa is becoming the mother tongue. However, we still never address ourselves as Hausa people.

***** Over 100 million west Africans speak Hausa fluently, but we know the true ethnic Hausas, they are barely about 30 million people.

Infact, at the end of the day, the subject of ethnicity is a complex one. People choose to identify themselves the way they like and we might as well have to accept them for what they say.

~~~~ The bone of contention here is saying that no one owns swahili language.
Since no one owns swahili, then can we say it is sort of a pidgin bantu or creole language?? If so, why then are these coastal people referred to as Waswahili (or Swahili people)? It's really confusing.

What state are you from?

genieluv:


There's a slum in Abuja, okay, what is the name, Mpape, then I show a huge part of Mpape that is not even close to a slum, what then does that make you? Smart I guess.

There's also a slum in Nairobi called Kibera and not even all of it is a slum. Most of Nairobi is decent What then does that make you?

***** Besides, why haven't you shown the slums called Durumi, Mabushi et al ?.....You listed many slums in Abuja.... I guess you worked so hard to find slummish looking parts but were bitterly frustrated at the fruitlesness

how is simply typing Mpape and clicking search frustrating? You're funny.

genieluv:


You cannot call an entire community a slum unless of course every part of it is a slum. That would be ignorance on rampage.

You can if it is.

NairobiWalker:


It's simply a corruption of English. We have our own corruption of English (Kenyan English) but we don't put too much emphasis on it because we already have a strong national language. You guys only have English, reason why you're struggling to have your version of pidgin recognized as a separate language.

Our version, is there an original pidgin?

NairobiWalker:


Swahili is a Bantu language, originally known as Ngozi then after borrowing heavily from Arabic became known as Swahili. The Arabs who settled at the East African coast intermarried with bantus to give forth a range of tribes depending on which Arab tribe intermarried with which Bantu tribe. These range of tribes are practically the real Swahilis if the definition of Swahili is to go by but they're very few. However, natives of the East African coast (e.g, Mijikenda, Pokomo etc in Kenya and Zaramo in Tanzania) are colloquially referred to as Swahilis by the interior people same way the Southerners call you Hausas. The reason I say there's no clear definition of Swahili is because even those 'real' Swahilis will still refer to themselves by other names such as Bajuni or Shirazi.

Now clear. Why then are some of you saying no one owns swahili when it's quite clear that some tribes actually own it?

**** Was Swahili very popular in hinterland Kenya before colonial times?

forgiveness:


Yeeeee! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Hahahahahahaha Lagos will lead Africa in the next 4 years go Lasgidi, go

forgiveness:


Honestly! I could not help it. Anyway, na ignore mood I dey. If em tire e go find em level.

Na the way forward be that, brother??

Today, I went to island as I promised though for another purpose. However, I managed to search for the ministry of communications house.

The first place I went to was NECOM house. I asked the security guard I was looking for Communication building but the guy told me that was not the place. .

Now, I have it at the back of my mind that Communication building is different from NECOM house hence the search began.

My guy, the communication building I saw was not more than 7 storeys. However, I noticed most of the buildings have changed names from what they were called previously. Probably, they must have had tenants or landlord.

Anyway, I don't know the actual name that Communication building is called presently. Therefore, it could be hard to locate but until then, I will strike it out from the list of skycrappers Nigeria has. So that our lousy neighbors can dream of having a chance to surpass us in numbers of Skyscrapper built.

Pictures I snapped on my way to NECOM.

Beautiful.

NairobiWalker:


They're slums too, I checked......and as much as they may not be as bad as some parts of Kibera such as Silanga and Gatwekera, they are worse than other parts of Kibera such as Olympic and definitely worse than other Kenyan slums such as Kawangware and Kangemi.

You're now telling me about better parts of Kibera whereas we clearly differentiated Kibera community and Kibera constituency for what they were.

~~~~ I just did a google map street view of Kawangware and Kangemi. True, they are not as bad as Kibera.
However, have it in mind that no Kenyan slums can match Nigerian slum parts because I discovered that most housing structures in Kenyan slums are built with Iron sheets and polythene bags while those of Nigeria are mostly well built concrete houses with a solidly dug foundation. The differences are huge.

NairobiWalker:


They're slums too, I checked......and as much as they may not be as bad as some parts of Kibera such as Silanga and Gatwekera, they are worse than other parts of Kibera such as Olympic and definitely worse than other Kenyan slums such as Kawangware and Kangemi.

Is this(durumi and mabushi) what you call a slum?

NairobiWalker:


Safari
Mzee
Bwana
Jamaa
Ubwogable
Vindu vihot
Kujaing
Dundaing
Si
Woiye
Chille
sukuma wiki

I went through the wikipedia definition of Kenyan english and it is very very shallow. All you do is replace some english words with the native names of things in kenya.

**** Even Americans, Australians, Indians and pretty much everyone else have their own English with unique words... However, as long as you can speak english you can pretty much understand what is being said.

I can write a long sentence in Nigerian pidgin and no non speaker can make any sense out of it.
*** You on the other hand cannot make a long sentence in your Kenyan english which I cannot make sense of.
That tells you that Kenyan English is still English language just as American english is still English language. Naija brokin on the other hand is now becoming a different language.

>>>> If you doubt. Give it a try. Make a long sentence in Kenyan english which no Nigerian can understand. I dare you!

NairobiWalker:


There's also a slum in Nairobi called Kibera and not even all of it is a slum. Most of Nairobi is decent What then does that make you?

how is simply typing Mpape and clicking search frustrating? You're funny.

Can you even hear yourself? There is a slum called Kibera and not all of it is a slum? Gosh! Is English the problem here? Why call it a slum in the first place when not all of it is a slum?
*** It's just like saying Kenya is a desert when only parts of Kenya are arid.

••••• Use your English well.

If you are talking about Kibera constituency, talk about it. If you are talking of Kibera community (slum), talk about it. Don't use both interchangeably.

darfay:



What state are you from?

Benue and Kaduna

genieluv:


Benue and Kaduna

Only you two states

Mama d mama

Make una see the ministry of communication so that una fit confirm it is different from NECOM house.

Perhaps, the skyscraper might have a different identity.

forgiveness:
Today, I went to island as I promised though for another purpose. However, I managed to search for the ministry of communications house.

The first place I went to was NECOM house. I asked the security guard I was looking for Communication building but the guy told me that was not the place. .

Now, I have it at the back of my mind that Communication building is different from NECOM house hence the search began.

My guy, the communication building I saw was not more than 7 storeys. However, I noticed most of the buildings have changed names from what they were called previously. Probably, they must have had tenants or landlord.

Anyway, I don't know the actual name that Communication building is called presently. Therefore, it could be hard to locate but until then, I will strike it out from the list of skycrappers Nigeria has. So that our lousy neighbors can dream of having a chance to surpass us in numbers of Skyscrapper built.

Pictures I snapped on my way to NECOM.

Beautiful.

Nearly impossible to see an outdoor ad in nigeria cities.Make the city look so plain.

genieluv:


How is my question silly?
**** Aren't swahilis the dominant people and natives of coastal Kenya? Which ethnic groups are the natives of Mombasa, Lamu & Malindi?

native people in Mombasa lamu and malindi are mijikenda people no owns Swahili it was formed by interactions btwn Arabs and bantus

genieluv:


Hmm, this is quite complex.

••••• Kazikazi is now saying that anyone who speak Swahili is a native swahili.

Aren't there people who identify as ethnic swahilis? It doesn't matter how other view them.

>>>> Take we Northern Nigerian minorities for instance, most Southern Nigerians identify and address us as Hausas, some of us have lost our native languages and hausa is becoming the mother tongue. However, we still never address ourselves as Hausa people.

***** Over 100 million west Africans speak Hausa fluently, but we know the true ethnic Hausas, they are barely about 30 million people.

Infact, at the end of the day, the subject of ethnicity is a complex one. People choose to identify themselves the way they like and we might as well have to accept them for what they say.

~~~~ The bone of contention here is saying that no one owns swahili language.
Since no one owns swahili, then can we say it is sort of a pidgin bantu or creole language?? If so, why then are these coastal people referred to as Waswahili (or Swahili people)? It's really confusing.

and what is the difference btwn Hausa and Fulani