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19grigri:
That doesn't mean there isn't a higher power out there
It only proves d fact that we aren't the only beings in the universe
God didn't create that remaining 99.99999999% for fun

Actually, Yes, I was not created, Let me delve inwards a little. Atoms, Molecules, Elements, Compounds, tissues, organs, systems and organisms, Yes these are all metamorphoses of electrons, protons, neutrons, etc, oscillating through the Higg's Field to gain mass, weight, activated my animating gases including oxygen, from the cosmic soups, come microbes like bacteria, fungi, virus. The one cell life-forms, protozoans, amoeba protus, hydra, clamydomonas rivalis, spyrogyra etc, then amphibians....listen, I can go on and on and on, but this is Biology mixed with animating forces. In short, Nature's Universe is just Energy conversion from one form to another.

19grigri:
There's nothing to prove that Adam had a belly button
Or that he didn't either
Adam didn't need a placenta

LordReed:
Huh? The question was the universe was designed for us. How can it be designed for us when we can't live in 99.99999999999‰ of it? It is just a fact of the universe and neither proves or disproves a god or gods. However no sign of god or gods is in this universe that we have observed.

Even if I presume god made it for more than only us, where are the other people?

hahn:
There is nothing to prove the whole story is true and that is why Christians rely on faith and no fact.

Duh

19grigri:
So if I may ask brotherly
Since u don't believe the Bible's account of creation
What's your own version sir
Surely there must be something you believe in as to how humanity came into existence

19grigri:
There are signs of God or gods in d universe my man
Look around you
The universe is just too ordered to have been a mistake
Surely there must be something or someone putting these things into place
AND THIS SOMETHING OR SOMEONE MUST BE YAWEH OF THE JEWISH MYTHOLOGY? WHY NOT BELIEVE IN ORISA OF THE YORUBAS OR BRAMA OF INDIA SINCE YOU PREFER MYTHS TO FACTS?

19grigri:
There are signs of God or gods in d universe my man
Look around you
The universe is just too ordered to have been a mistake
Surely there must be something or someone putting these things into place

And to your last line
There are beings with a higher vibration than we do
Take for instance micro-organisms like virus, bacteria we couldn't see them till the invention of a microscope
That doesn't mean they didn't share our earth with us

19grigri:
So if I may ask brotherly
Since u don't believe the Bible's account of creation
What's your own version sir
Surely there must be something you believe in as to how humanity came into existence

hahn:
The truth is I really don't care how man came into existence. His does that put food on my table?

19grigri:
So if I may ask brotherly
Since u don't believe the Bible's account of creation
What's your own version sir
Surely there must be something you believe in as to how humanity came into existence

hahn:
Just wondering o. Did God just create him as a full grown man or did he create him as a baby and then he grew up to become a man? Same for Eve as well

jesusjnr:
Both!

blemon44:
i will advise you to go read your Bible and see it for yourself

read mostly Genesis

hahn:
Explain with bible verses please

Pictures too if possible

jesusjnr:
Adam and Eve were both adults and babies when God first made them, as they were adults in terms of their body size and development, but babies in the rest.

I'm just gonna provide a few verses and not all here, so that we would yet have some breathing space, however you can look up Gen 1-3 to verify what I say in this respect.

Now the reason Adam and Eve were adults and not babies in their sizes and development after God had made them in the beginning, was because they were not seeds as that which is planted into a woman's womb, which are very small and and undeveloped at the initial stages, which would take roughly about nine months for even the seed to have fully developed into a baby that's mature enough to leave the womb and commence life outside of the womb.

And don't expect me to talk you thru all the processes involved in a baby's growth and development outside the womb world, with the need to be fed by breast milk, and not knowing how to walk or to talk, needless say to procreate etc. up till the point where they grew up to become adults and are able to do all of that.

So Adam and Eve were able to do all of that which a baby is not able to do at the onset, that is eat solid food, walk, talk, procreate from the onset, because they were not made as seeds, but as adults in terms of their body size and development, by God who made them in the beginning.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Genesis 1:27-28(KJV)

But that is where it ended with the adult part of Adam and Eve when God first made them in the beginning, as they were babies in every things else, such as being naked and not ashamed, ignorance of the things of the world.

And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed. Genesis 2:25(KJV)

And they were also babies in the sense that they didn't have to work to feed, but their Creator had provided everything they needed to feed themselves with. So it was just as the babies whose work is to eat, eat, and eat again, and they had no worries about how the food would come about, for it was not their own job.

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. Genesis 1:29(KJV)

Also in terms of the quality of their skin and body, you must have heard of baby skin before or even seen it, which is very smooth and fresh, and different from that of the adult which is aging and already wearing out, that's what their skin and body looked like despite being adults in their body size and development.

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Genesis 1:31(KJV)

So they were babies in that respect until they disobeyed the commandment that God had given to them, and ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, for that was when they lost the baby aspect of themselves and hence became adults.

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. Genesis 3:6(KJV)

And so they were no longer ignorant of the things of the world as the babies are, for they now had such knowledge and therefore became ashamed of their unclothedness as it is with the adults.

And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons...
And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. Genesis 3:7-10(KJV)

And they also began to have to work hard to feed themselves as the adults do, which also took a toll on their body as they began to age and their skin began to wear as that of the adults do, because they had lost their baby kind of skin and body which they once had.

In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.Genesis 3:19(KJV)

So the disobedience of God's Word by the man and woman, could, in a sense, be said to signify the end of the babyhood of Man and Woman, and also marked the beginning of their adulthood, as they hence grew up and became adults in every other sense of the word that they weren't beforehand.

Therefore it was in the process that they lost their babylike humility which kept them humble before God their Creator and in obedience to His Words, while displaying the adultlike pride and arrogance thru their rebellion against Him and the disobedience of His Words.

Therefore you may now be able to understand why Jesus kept saying things like these to fully grown adults:

"...Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven". Matthew 18:3-4(KJV)

"...Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." John 3:3(KJV)

For the Kingdom of God was what the Earth used to be in the beginning when Man and Woman, who God had given charge of the Earth to, were yet babies in the sense of their humility before God and the obedience of His Word.

But it was only after they had lost that and became adults in the respect of pride and rebellion against His authority via the disobedience of His Words, that the Earth consequently ceased to be that.

Therefore such sayings of Jesus was to get adult Man and Woman back to the babies that they used to be in the beginning when God first made them, when they were humble before God and hence kept His commandments.

For that was the purpose that Jesus was sent to the Earth, to restore things back to what it used to be in beginning when God first made Man and Woman.

"For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost." Matthew 18:11(KJV)

So there's is it for you in a nutshell how Adam and Eve were both adults and babies when God first created them.

And as for the pictures part, you've got to be kidding me?

If you're that curious though, you may have to go there yourself via time travel, and very important don't forget to take a camera with you so that you can take all the pictures you want to satisfy your curiosity, for there were obviously no "cameras" then in the beginning.

Pictures? Lol!

hahn:
Lol. So much assumptions on your part but it's all good

jesusjnr:
See don't pretend that you really think all those were assumptions, because I know you are confounded about this as you've never envisaged such before, but you'd rather keep your true emotions to yourself.

Well suit yourself!

hahn:
That is exactly why Christians have over 3000 denominations because you are all trying to make sense of the nonsense in the bible just because you are too intellectually dishonest to just admit it is all nonsense and you crave subjugation to your imaginary god and pastor.

I don't have energy this morning.

Enjoy your delusion