KillTheZombies:


[b] Dayo, we've heard these lamentation and chestbeating bout your sophistication a billion times. E no change reality. It has become a cliche and everyone mocks you with it.

Fact 1. Yoruba waited for the rest of the country to conceded to the presidency to them. That why the first and ONLY elected yoruba presidency emerged when all the parties fielded Yoruba. Therefore according to you yorubas are lazy. Na you talk am.

Fact 2. Ekwueme was never defeated by OBJ. Shagari was a figure that midwived 1999 presidency, him and the likes of Orji Uzor persuaded Ekwueme to step down because yorubas were still burning and killing non-indigenes in their region. OPC was founded that period as yoruba militia.

Fact 3. The only time yoruba voters ever put anyone in presidency was in 2015 (which was a close call because it was mainly between the North and Southern minority) just yesterday. Before then, there had been 5 presidential elections and Yoruba voters failed while Eastern voters won. So the facts and factoid do not agree with you that East votes are not needed. Even right there in Lagos. Candidates wear more Igbo regalia than agbada on campaign posters they spend millions to print. If Eastern votes are 'useless' that won't be happening.


Take heart and watch the politics go in 2024, if Nigeria is still lucky enough to still remain a geographical expression by then. [/b].

PaChukwudi44:

Then allow Osibanjo to also defeat Tambuwal in 2023 lets see how it will play out

Kellibae:


I love the way u are bashing his skull.
Oya take one kiss.

KillTheZombies:


It is not a sermon per se. It is a factoid. Many yorubas like the OP who started the thread are shocked that the East have woken up to yoruba antics. Directing your message to him will be appropriate

Parada:
It is finished for the bigoted tribe of Israel.
They complain every one hate them be it Hausa Fulani Ikwerre Kanuri South Africans Indians Malaysians Singaporeans Arabs

KillTheZombies:


It is not a sermon per se. It is a factoid. Many yorubas like the OP who started the thread are shocked that the East have woken up to yoruba antics. Directing your message to him will be appropriate. Tell him to stop yelling and enjoy the karma that you are about to bring upon yourself. Karma is smiling widely and awaiting you in 2023 if you don't make detour.

life2017:
Since the story of Fashola and Osibanjo asking South west to vote APC so that presidency will come to South west (South in general) in 2023, the way Igbos have reacted have been very pathetic and pitiful.

What many of them are saying is that PDP will field a Northerner if APC field a South west candidate in 2023.
What Igbos are saying by that is that they have accepted defeat ahead against a Yoruba candidate. They believe if APC field a Yoruba candidate and PDP field an Igbo candidate, that the Yoruba will beat the igbo with landslide victory. What a pitiful situation? That is what happen when u isolate yourself and burn down bridges over lack of emotional intelligence!

It means Igbos don't believe any Igbo man dead or alive can defeat any Yoruba man in 2023. And they also don't believe any Igbo man dead or alive can defeat a Northerner in Nigeria Presidential race.

Thus what Igbos are hoping for is a Situation where the two major parties (APC and PDP) field candidate from South East so that they won't have to compete or work for it. That is delusion. Even Buhari and Atiku are not from the same geopolitical zone. Buhari is north west while Atiku is North east.

What Igbos fail to understand is that South South might have join South East on Anti Buhari stand, South South will not join them on Anti Yoruba Stand. If a Yoruba contest against a Northerner in 2023, South South will give most vote to the Yoruba. South South is not part of the cold war between Yorubas and Igbos. We are not stupid. We SS don't have any personal issue with the Yorubas.

Another thing Igbos may fail to understand is that Northerners are calculative and politically mature. Even if PDP field kwankwanso, he will not get a unified Northern support against a Yoruba candidate from APC as long as Buhari endorse the Yoruba with clear message of one good turn deserves another. Alot of Northerners will allign with the Yoruba candidate. Should the Yoruba candidate win despite South East opposition, just know the next time presidency comes to South it will come to South South.

[b]As far as I am concerned if Buhari wins 2019, 2023 presidency will be contested by the whole South. That is South South, South East and South West will compete for it. No Southern region will get it on a platter of gold. Every region and tribe in the South is qualified for Southern Presidency in 2023. After all, South South is yet to do Eight years. We did just 5.3 years. We are still yet to govern for full blown 8 years . Nobody should be hoping to get 2023 presidency as a gift. Every region in the South is qualified. Period.

In summary, the most peaceful scenario in 2023 in the case Buhari wins 2019, is if APC chose a South South candidate. Both igbo and Yoruba will allign. None of them will want to be seen as enemy of South South because of Niger Delta oil. And Nothing will destroy Biafra agitation more than APC fielding a South South Candidate and PDP fielding a South East candidate or a Northern candidate. As there is no one Nigeria without South South oil, there is no Biafra without South South Oil. South South oil is the umblical cord keeping Nigeria together as one.[/b]

raumdeuter:


Are you conceding that no Ibo alive can take on Osinbajo?

Well historically we know one side to be cowards scared of facing Northerners

First republic, Awolowo faced Balewa, Zik and Ibos hid behind Balewa
Second republic Awolowo challenged Shagari, Ekwueme and Ibos hid behind Shagari
Third republic Abiola challenged Tofa, Sylvester Ugo and Ibos hid behind Tofa
Fourth Republic OBJ challeneged Buhari, Ibos and Okadigbo hid behind Northerners


Its the pattern cowards hide behind their masters like Ben Nwabueze hugging Atiku like a child who lost a parent

gurnam:


Stop your miserable sermon, yorubas will contest APC Presidential primary in 2023, igbos will not blackmail anyone.
Meet yorubas on the political field

Oshigun:


Superb response. Where is the mythical Igbo bravery? Since Fashola and Osinbajo have demonstrated the change in Yoruba thinking in the modern age I warned them SW folks now work with ?

We will now go after what we want without mincing words. No more political correctness. We helped create APC and played our part in its success at State at federal level and we expect reward for that. Politics 101.

Igbo response to the direct and amitious approach of Fashola, Osinbajo and others has been very disappointing. They have not manned up or shown any interest to square up against us. Instead, like those accustomed to losing, they have lamely gone around saying they will not run and will be happy for the North to field a candidate they will then get behind to defeat us.

In short they are not interested in something as transformational as the Presidency and would rather focus vengefully on doing anything that impedes the success of the Yorubas who are now showing ambition and a united focus.

How incredibly cowardly and defeatist. Whatever happens in 2023 at least Yorubas are showing Liver and I know doing this will always be feared and rewarded by others unlike where Igbos , with their cowardice, have put themselves.

Others don't even have minimal regard for them because all Nigeria can now see that Igbos don't respect nor act as if they believe in themselves. They are now seen as a "food is ready" group alwayd waiting to eat without taking part in the cooking process. Sad.

BillGoldberg:
Atimes I wonder why my Igbo brothers engage this low lives. Thats usually our problem. We already know that these people mistrust us. So the least we can do is to frustrate any Yoruba preseidency by playing politics of necessity. How do we do it? We all know that Igbo presidency is not a do or die affair like its for the Yorubas. The Igbos just need a standard play ground for all to prosper. Either that or give us our country. Now what is the Politics of necessity am talking about? Igbos will be commiting a political suicide by presenting a candidate in 2023 to compete against a Yoruba man in 2023. The smart thing to do is to play politics of necessity. Simply field another Northern candidate like Kwankwaso or Tambuwal with A south South VP like Wike or South East VP like Obi or Ekweremmadu! Voila! There goes the Yoruba dreams of having a President chosen by them! The aim here is to frustrate Yoruba presidency. So give another 8 years to the North! Shey na only them sabi backstabbing?

BillGoldberg:
Atimes I wonder why my Igbo brothers engage this low lives. Thats usually our problem. We already know that these people mistrust us. So the least we can do is to frustrate any Yoruba preseidency by playing politics of necessity. How do we do it? We all know that Igbo presidency is not a do or die affair like its for the Yorubas. The Igbos just need a standard play ground for all to prosper. Either that or give us our country. Now what is the Politics of necessity am talking about? Igbos will be commiting a political suicide by presenting a candidate in 2023 to compete against a Yoruba man in 2023. The smart thing to do is to play politics of necessity. Simply field another Northern candidate like Kwankwaso or Tambuwal with A south South VP like Wike or South East VP like Obi or Ekweremmadu! Voila! There goes the Yoruba dreams of having a President chosen by them! The aim here is to frustrate Yoruba presidency. So give another 8 years to the North! Shey na only them sabi backstabbing?

Oshigun:


Read my post above yours to know Yorubas have worked you out and we are miles ahead of you. You literally confirmed what I said which is that Igbo focus is to frustrate Yorubas and not to try and do what is necessary to gain the chance to lead Nigeria. As it is now, it is for the south to duke out 2023 but you cowards have given up already and are now limiting your 2023 engagement to be about frustrating Yoruba ambition. How tragic for you.

We build bridges and engage the North because we understand negotiating in life is important as no man is an Island and that you can't go it alone. You lot are now acting like slaves of the North with your defeatist attitude of licking their shoes because you believe no one can lead Nigeria other than Hausa/Fulani.

Watch Yorubas, a people who don't give up and don't believe in cheaply riding on the back of others, prove you wrong as we have done before and will continue to do.

ImperialYoruba:



Why wait till 2023 to do that?

We have been telling you long before the PDP primary in PH what we intend to do in 2023. Your Kwara god, Saraki even declared publicly to you that Tinubu is scheming to be President after Buhari.

Did you not hear him?

Now, to show how politically naive you Ibos are. After knowing Yoruba will go for 2023...you gave all your delegate votes to Atiku.

Now you are crying....buyer's remorse! Was Tambuwal not a candidate in the PH primary, or you didnt see his teeth? How about Kwankwaso, did you mistake his red hat for an Iboman?

If you like sef line up behind IBB for president and put Ekweremadu as VP na you go still lose. See how you already commited errors and lost 2019 before the polls have even started counting.

Here...keep this, the numbers will change for 2023 but the rankings will be same.

BillGoldberg:


Your stuppid blackmail will not work. We already have your antidote. We already know that because of Biafra issue, many tribes will be skeptical of an Igbo presidency. So the least we can do is to frustrate any attempt by you guys to get the presidency through the backdoor! You guys did it to Jonathan in 2015 abi? You signed a pact with the North and betrayed the South. Your reward is coming in hot and sweet. What happened to Abiola will be child's play to what Osibunjo or Fashole will suffer in the South. Your only play is to have the North support you guys which I know will never happen. Igbos will simply sacrifice their turn to get revenge at what you guys did. Its nothing about defeatist. Its simply politics of necessity.

Osibunjo won't even get 1% in the whole East and South. What you guys did to Obi will be childs play compared to what that fake pastor will suffer.

BillGoldberg:


Forget all those figures Oke. Just wait till 2023. The average Hausa okada rider will not attend a mosque a Yoruba man is an Imam not to talk of having one as President. Let's not talk too much. My vote is for Atiku... Pending the command Nnamdi Kanu gives. If he says no election... Then bye bye to the Fulani man! Butbif he says vote, I will vote Atiku hands down!

Now come 2023, PDP will will field Tambuwal. Please field your Osibanjo and meet us at the Playing field. E go dawn for your eyes soon!

Odingo1:
Yoruba are ingrates for trying to grab 2023 presidency. They have their turn and others should have theirs.

ImperialYoruba:



Why wait till 2023 to do that?

We have been telling you long before the PDP primary in PH what we intend to do in 2023. Your Kwara god, Saraki even declared publicly to you that Tinubu is scheming to be President after Buhari.

Did you not hear him?

Now, to show how politically naive you Ibos are. After knowing Yoruba will go for 2023...you gave all your delegate votes to Atiku.

Now you are crying....buyer's remorse! Was Tambuwal not a candidate in the PH primary, or you didnt see his teeth? How about Kwankwaso, did you mistake his red hat for an Iboman?

If you like sef line up behind IBB for president and put Ekweremadu as VP na you go still lose. See how you already commited errors and lost 2019 before the polls have even started counting.

Here...keep this, the numbers will change for 2023 but the rankings will be same.

BillGoldberg:


Don't worry bro. Am even tired of quoting them because I see them as sub humans and barbarians. They will never get it. Rather than that, let the North rule forever!

ImperialYoruba:


Lol. Tambuwal and Kwankwaso are not d0mb. They see that Atiku has Ibo behind him. He is going to loose and become a lessons learnt for them.....the "what not to do" in politics; and they will shy away from touching any Ibo as a VP. They will even shy away from your endorsements. They dont want to be stained with it and loose.

Your best bet is 2019. Im telling you. If Atiku looses he will not be able to shake off the Ibo risk and others will learn to avoid Ibo.

You under estimate Nigerian politicians.

Oshigun:


Eniyan mi, this is what I keep telling them. We are coming out early with our ambition because we are focused, confident of victory and completely sure of ourselves. Every region has dishonourable men but Northerners are honourable in comparison to others in Nigeria.

Match that consideration with how Igbos do not realise no one plays politics of hate and enmity that they do and it will be a shocker for them to see even the PDP present a Yoruba candidate in 2023. Igbos are the only ethnic group who fail to understand the fundumental principles about politics being about permanent interests and not permanent friends or foes. The SW get that. The North does too . So too Middle bet , SS and every other region.

A Yoruba will be President in 2023 and we can start a lottery challenge here with Igbos on NL. Let us all put our names and money into a central lottery pool Nairaland can organise. If Yorubas do not produce the President in 2023 Igbos who contributed take the total loot. If Yorubas win we who contributed take the booty. I will put N200K because I know I will get N1 million back if Igbos will shun cowardice and put their money where there mouth is to meet us mano a mano. Man for man.

Odingo1:

You Yoruba will understand the reality after Buhari presidency which will end in shame because Buhari is no more and Nigeria ruled by Al shabab element.
Yoruba will not be president in 2023.

life2017:
Since the story of Fashola and Osibanjo asking South west to vote APC so that presidency will come to South west (South in general) in 2023, the way Igbos have reacted have been very pathetic and pitiful.

What many of them are saying is that PDP will field a Northerner if APC field a South west candidate in 2023.
What Igbos are saying by that is that they have accepted defeat ahead against a Yoruba candidate. They believe if APC field a Yoruba candidate and PDP field an Igbo candidate, that the Yoruba will beat the igbo with landslide victory. What a pitiful situation? That is what happen when u isolate yourself and burn down bridges over lack of emotional intelligence!

It means Igbos don't believe any Igbo man dead or alive can defeat any Yoruba man in 2023. And they also don't believe any Igbo man dead or alive can defeat a Northerner in Nigeria Presidential race.

Thus what Igbos are hoping for is a Situation where the two major parties (APC and PDP) field candidate from South East so that they won't have to compete or work for it. That is delusion. Even Buhari and Atiku are not from the same geopolitical zone. Buhari is north west while Atiku is North east.

What Igbos fail to understand is that South South might have join South East on Anti Buhari stand, South South will not join them on Anti Yoruba Stand. If a Yoruba contest against a Northerner in 2023, South South will give most vote to the Yoruba. South South is not part of the cold war between Yorubas and Igbos. We are not stupid. We SS don't have any personal issue with the Yorubas.

Another thing Igbos may fail to understand is that Northerners are calculative and politically mature. Even if PDP field kwankwanso, he will not get a unified Northern support against a Yoruba candidate from APC as long as Buhari endorse the Yoruba with clear message of one good turn deserves another. Alot of Northerners will allign with the Yoruba candidate. Should the Yoruba candidate win despite South East opposition, just know the next time presidency comes to South it will come to South South.

As far as I am concerned if Buhari wins 2019, 2023 presidency will be contested by the whole South. That is South South, South East and South West will compete for it. No Southern region will get it on a platter of gold. Every region and tribe in the South is qualified for Southern Presidency in 2023. After all, South South is yet to do Eight years. We did just 5.3 years. We are still yet to govern for full blown 8 years . Nobody should be hoping to get 2023 presidency as a gift. Every region in the South is qualified. Period.

In summary, the most peaceful scenario in 2023 in the case Buhari wins 2019, is if APC chose a South South candidate. Both igbo and Yoruba will allign. None of them will want to be seen as enemy of South South because of Niger Delta oil. And Nothing will destroy Biafra agitation more than APC fielding a South South Candidate and PDP fielding a South East candidate or a Northern candidate. As there is no one Nigeria without South South oil, there is no Biafra without South South Oil. South South oil is the umblical cord keeping Nigeria together as one.

Odingo1:
Yoruba are ingrates for trying to grab 2023 presidency. They have their turn and others should have theirs.

PaChukwudi44:

Then allow Osibanjo to also defeat Tambuwal in 2023 lets see how it will play out

Odingo1:

You Yoruba will understand the reality after Buhari presidency which will end in shame because Buhari is no more and Nigeria ruled by Al shabab element.
Yoruba will not be president in 2023.

BillGoldberg:


Forget all those figures Oke. Just wait till 2023. The average Hausa okada rider will not attend a mosque a Yoruba man is an Imam not to talk of having one as President. Let's not talk too much. My vote is for Atiku... Pending the command Nnamdi Kanu gives. If he says no election... Then bye bye to the Fulani man! Butbif he says vote, I will vote Atiku hands down!

Now come 2023, PDP will will field Tambuwal. Please field your Osibanjo and meet us at the Playing field. E go dawn for your eyes soon!