₦airaland Forum

raumdeuter:
I am sure and I can bet on Buhari winning 100k you can stake also to challenge me

oooduancalmdown:
Who is this clown? Who is this ijaw dirtybag speaking for ss? Abiola won Delta, Edo Akwa Ibom and cross river and lost rivers and bayelsa state which I recall is where Ijaws and Ibos are located. You guys have never voted for Yoruba before. If not because two Yorubas ran against each other in 1999, you would not have voted for one. You have Always aligned with the north so we don't expect anything less. Yoruba will run for president and win in 2023.

Maduawuchukwu:
Pray tell me, how did Igbo people burn bridges? Is it by opposing Buhari vehemently? When did opposing someone turn to burning bridges? I am asking sincerely?

Obi1kenobi:
Since Buhari's election, Ndigbo have been Nigeria's biggest hate group. Not even Ijaws and the South South whose son, GEJ, was defeated by Buhari had the same meltdown as Ndigbo did since the election campaign of the 2015 polls. This crazed bitterness is what led to over a year of IPOB-driven lunacy that alienated every Nigerian group from Ndigbo. The problem was also not so much the opposition to Buhari, but the tone of opposition, the extent of the opposition, and the reason for the opposition which was based on little more than fear and hatred of Fulanis. Given the circumstances, Buhari would have to be an absolute lunatic to handover the next APC candidacy to an Igbo man considering the hatred Igbos have always harboured towards him, and the fact that Igbos contributed next to nothing to APC.
We've put all our eggs in the PDP basket and we would have to follow it to the death.

Maduawuchukwu:
What the Igbo people "did" to Buhari was not even up to the Hausas did when Gej won in 2011. That is the present nature of politics in Nigeria since rotational presidency died.Nnamdi Kanus case does not represent that of the Igbo people. Don't forget that Buharis and the Yoruba people's negative triumphalism of boasting and belittling the Igbo people after the elections contributed to Igbo opposition to Buhari. I consider myself a pan-Nigerianist and i tell you I was seriously scared that 1966 was going to repeat itself cause of the way Igbo people were labelled and stigmatized.
Lastly, in politics interest comes first before emotions. If tomorrow the north seeks to retain power after Buhari you will see that the same People criticising the Igbos will start eulogising them and reminding them of how we are natural allies since Independence. Is it not the same Buhari and northerners who the West scorned endlessly as Islamist and born to rule folks that they now carry like second Jesus? Politics is a game of interest which is very dynamic. Forget all these bridges talk Nwanne. Merry Xmas

Maduawuchukwu:
What the Igbo people "did" to Buhari was not even up to the Hausas did when Gej won in 2011. That is the present nature of politics in Nigeria since rotational presidency died.Nnamdi Kanus case does not represent that of the Igbo people. Don't forget that Buharis and the Yoruba people's negative triumphalism of boasting and belittling the Igbo people after the elections contributed to Igbo opposition to Buhari. I consider myself a pan-Nigerianist and i tell you I was seriously scared that 1966 was going to repeat itself cause of the way Igbo people were labelled and stigmatized.
Lastly, in politics interest comes first before emotions. If tomorrow the north seeks to retain power after Buhari you will see that the same People criticising the Igbos will start eulogising them and reminding them of how we are natural allies since Independence. Is it not the same Buhari and northerners who the West scorned endlessly as Islamist and born to rule folks that they now carry like second Jesus? Politics is a game of interest which is very dynamic. Forget all these bridges talk Nwanne. Merry Xmas

Obi1kenobi:
This wasn't really my observation. The hatred for Buhari started right from the campaign stage of that election. If you saw people insulting Buhari as an illiterate, or sowing fear about his motives to create a Fulani caliphate, the probability was very high that such people would be Igbo. I'm not merely talking about Nairaland where there is a lot of trolling between groups. This was my observation in the real world. Ndigbo have never hidden their complete disdain for Buhari and Hausa-Fulanis.
Of course Hausas certainly didn't like GEJ, but in my opinion, Igbos have carried more injurious rhetoric around about Buhari since the elections. This toxic climate of hate and fear was what Nnamdi Kanu exploited. Had GEJ won the elections, let's not deceive ourselves that nnamdi Kanu would have had the same level of support that he did. He certainly wouldn't. He thrived because Ndigbo adopted him as the symbol of their resistance to the Buhari government.

Buhari in my opinion does not deserve the hatred he has gotten from Igbos. He twice picked Igbo running mates and made it unequivocally clear that he intended to hand over to an Igbo man if he got elected. Even after Igbos soundly rejected him in the 2015 polls, he still explicitly stated that he would hand over to an Igbo man if he could gain some traction among Igbos in support, but we have made it clear we despise him, so he has retreated from that line. For the record, I believe Buhari's government has been an utter failure on the economy and national security, but in politics, putting all your eggs in one basket the way Ndigbo have done with PDP is suicidal.

Maduawuchukwu:
When GEJ was in power didn't the West and not attack him also? Didn't the West kill Hausa people via opc during Objs first tenure? Were they building bridges by doing that?

Obi1kenobi:
This wasn't really my observation. The hatred for Buhari started right from the campaign stage of that election. If you saw people insulting Buhari as an illiterate, or sowing fear about his motives to create a Fulani caliphate, the probability was very high that such people would be Igbo. I'm not merely talking about Nairaland where there is a lot of trolling between groups. This was my observation in the real world. Ndigbo have never hidden their complete disdain for Buhari and Hausa-Fulanis.
Of course Hausas certainly didn't like GEJ, but in my opinion, Igbos have carried more injurious rhetoric around about Buhari since the elections. This toxic climate of hate and fear was what Nnamdi Kanu exploited. Had GEJ won the elections, let's not deceive ourselves that nnamdi Kanu would have had the same level of support that he did. He certainly wouldn't. He thrived because Ndigbo adopted him as the symbol of their resistance to the Buhari government.

Buhari in my opinion does not deserve the hatred he has gotten from Igbos. He twice picked Igbo running mates and made it unequivocally clear that he intended to hand over to an Igbo man if he got elected. Even after Igbos soundly rejected him in the 2015 polls, he still explicitly stated that he would hand over to an Igbo man if he could gain some traction among Igbos in support, but we have made it clear we despise him, so he has retreated from that line. For the record, I believe Buhari's government has been an utter failure on the economy and national security, but in politics, putting all your eggs in one basket the way Ndigbo have done with PDP is suicidal.

Obi1kenobi:
This wasn't really my observation. The hatred for Buhari started right from the campaign stage of that election. If you saw people insulting Buhari as an illiterate, or sowing fear about his motives to create a Fulani caliphate, the probability was very high that such people would be Igbo. I'm not merely talking about Nairaland where there is a lot of trolling between groups. This was my observation in the real world. Ndigbo have never hidden their complete disdain for Buhari and Hausa-Fulanis.
Of course Hausas certainly didn't like GEJ, but in my opinion, Igbos have carried more injurious rhetoric around about Buhari since the elections. This toxic climate of hate and fear was what Nnamdi Kanu exploited. Had GEJ won the elections, let's not deceive ourselves that nnamdi Kanu would have had the same level of support that he did. He certainly wouldn't. He thrived because Ndigbo adopted him as the symbol of their resistance to the Buhari government.

Buhari in my opinion does not deserve the hatred he has gotten from Igbos. He twice picked Igbo running mates and made it unequivocally clear that he intended to hand over to an Igbo man if he got elected. Even after Igbos soundly rejected him in the 2015 polls, he still explicitly stated that he would hand over to an Igbo man if he could gain some traction among Igbos in support, but we have made it clear we despise him, so he has retreated from that line. For the record, I believe Buhari's government has been an utter failure on the economy and national security, but in politics, putting all your eggs in one basket the way Ndigbo have done with PDP is suicidal.

raumdeuter:
The west supported GEJ in 2011 and opposed him in 2015.

Maduawuchukwu:
Why did the West support him in 2011 and oppose him in 2015?

raumdeuter:
In 2011 The West supported GEJ because we saw him as an oppressed. The west has always backed anyone they feel was oppressed. That was why Soyinka and Bakare led the save Nigeria group to deliver GEJ from the cabal. Even when many of Jonathans later friends were colluding with the cabal, You remember CAN go to Abuja and claim they saw YarAdua healthy. When everyone else abandoned Jonathan Yorubas stood for him with the SNG

We stood by him to make him substantive president and stood by him in 2011 even against Buhari who had Bakare as running mate also against Ribadu who had Fola Adeola as running mate

The west voted Jonathan-Sambo ticket that had no Yoruba interest

When GEJ got to power he changed, he started marginalizing Yorubas who fought for him, He did everything against Yoruba interest. We sent messages to him which he conveniently ignored, Him and his followers mainly Ibos told us to go and meet Tinubu which we did

He was part of the people insulting Yoruba leaders, He was there when Peter Obi and Arthur Eze were calling us Amala people in the Anambra campaign. He was part of the people calling Southwest leaders rascals

He ignored infrastructural developments in the SW, In the oil windfall between 2010 and 2015, He didnt remember to start the railway in SW, he didnt complete any major road in the SW

Oshigun:
Many in the SS, despite what is said publicly, will not even vote an Igbo candidate. Bad market. Being over-sentimental always, in defiance of reality, is the main problem of the Igboman.

If you think Nigeria will hand the Igbos power, even in the next 20 years, without any serious rapprochement that will see Igbos gain the trust of others then you delusional. Don't even mention Igbos till 2035 in my opinion. How you guys don't understand that actions have consequences is beyond me. There must be something unigue in the water in your region.

raumdeuter:
You are a smart man. If you post or say this among your people watch how they will attack you

You addressed the issues without emotions.

Who are the prominent Ibos in APC currently? Rochas might even be expelled soon. So a party you barely have representatives in, A party you surely wont vote for, Will now give you its ticket?

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Oshigun:
He is the wisest and most sensible Igbo here. I can never dislike someone who appears a decent and fair human being. You are right though. They will soon begin insulting him for saying the truth and being objective . They will label him Yoruba Moslem from Osun. Dissent or individuality of political views is not tolerated by Igbos. You are quickly branded an efulefu, traitor, for that.

What would it have costed Igbos to support the APC? Ok agreed the SE made a mistake in 2015 but 3 years later and still no lessons learnt. They are still putting all their eggs in the PDP basket. Buhari will win in FeBuhari so what next for Igbos?

I can agree with Obi Kenobi that the APC has not showcased economic vibrancy optimally but that , in my opinion, is due to overarching economic conditions and constraints than incompetence. OBI kenobi is a very bright individual who will be aware some western nations are just returning to prosperity now after the world sub-prime idiotic lending caused the credit crunch downturn iof f over a decade ago.

I am expecting more favourable global conditions allied with stronger local performance in Nigeria that will allow APC perform far better and endear itself to Nigerians even more over the next 4 years. Dangote refinery in Lagos coming on board in 2020 will be a game changer as Nigeria will be able to refine most of its crude, save massively on foreigne exchange and even make significatant income selling and eventually exporting refined derivatives of crude like petrol et al.

I predict power supply would be a lot better too boosting the proliferation of the SME sector which will grow the Nigerian economy to no end with employment, government taxation income and steady development of a middle class with good purchasing power. APC is set to reap from a convergence of good things, deliberate and otherwise, coming together.

There would then be only APC and its candidate in the race in 2023. Clever Igbos will know what this means and why the ethnic group, as a matter of political self-preservation, must start shunning myopic politics of hate, animosity and 'food is ready'.

Oshigun:
I can agree with Obi Kenobi that the APC has not showcased economic vibrancy optimally but that , in my opinion, is due to overarching global economic conditions, like decimated crude oil price, and local constraints , like undiversified economic sector, lack of rainy day savings, poor infrastructure etc, than incompetence.

OBI kenobi is a very bright individual who will be aware some western nations are just returning to prosperity now after the world sub-prime idiotic lending caused the credit crunch downturn of over a decade ago.

I am expecting more favourable global conditions allied with stronger local performance in Nigeria that will allow APC perform far better and endear itself to Nigerians even more over the next 4 years. Dangote refinery in Lagos coming on board in 2020 will be a game changer as Nigeria will be able to refine most of its crude, save massively on foreigne exchange and even make significatant income selling and eventually exporting refined derivatives of crude like petrol et al.

I predict power supply would be a lot better too boosting the proliferation of the SME sector which will grow the Nigerian economy to no end with employment, government taxation income and steady development of a middle class with good purchasing power. APC is set to reap from a convergence of good things, deliberate and otherwise, coming together.

There would then be only APC and its candidate in the race in 2023. Clever Igbos will know what this means and why the ethnic group, as a matter of political self-preservation, must start shunning myopic politics of hate, animosity and 'food is ready'.

Maduawuchukwu:
First and foremost to go back in time, did u know when and how the "Buhari is an Islamist and illiterate" claim start? It began in the year 2003 on his first attempt at the presidency. Did you know who began it? It was the south west media in order to aid obj back then and to create a unified South for the elections. This was what the whole South used to shoot down Buhari thrice. When 2015 came the same politicians and agents from the West who gave him the image had to clean him up so it now appeared as if the Igbos keeping up with it were divisive and hateful. Why were Igbo pple not considered hateful when we helped peddle the message during Obj's campaign?
As regards Buhari picking an Igbo man twice, I feel that we were right and justified in rejecting him.PDP was the only pan- Nigerian platform. The other parties were peddling tribal agendas. The Igbo chose nationalism over tribal sentiment. I thought that it is what one Nigeria represents.

KillTheZombies:
We will never if Abiola actually won. The election never made him President. He never ruled for one day.

life2017:
Since the story of Fashola and Osibanjo asking South west to vote APC so that presidency will come to South west (South in general) in 2023, the way Igbos have reacted have been very pathetic and pitiful.

What many of them are saying is that PDP will field a Northerner if APC field a South west candidate in 2023.
What Igbos are saying by that is that they have accepted defeat ahead against a Yoruba candidate. They believe if APC field a Yoruba candidate and PDP field an Igbo candidate, that the Yoruba will beat the igbo with landslide victory. What a pitiful situation? That is what happen when u isolate yourself and burn down bridges over lack of emotional intelligence!

It means Igbos don't believe any Igbo man dead or alive can defeat any Yoruba man in 2023. And they also don't believe any Igbo man dead or alive can defeat a Northerner in Nigeria Presidential race.

Thus what Igbos are hoping for is a Situation where the two major parties (APC and PDP) field candidate from South East so that they won't have to compete or work for it. That is delusion. Even Buhari and Atiku are not from the same geopolitical zone. Buhari is north west while Atiku is North east.

What Igbos fail to understand is that South South might have join South East on Anti Buhari stand, South South will not join them on Anti Yoruba Stand. If a Yoruba contest against a Northerner in 2023, South South will give most vote to the Yoruba. South South is not part of the cold war between Yorubas and Igbos. We are not stupid. We SS don't have any personal issue with the Yorubas. Just for reference purpose, in 1993 Election, Abiola won Delta, Edo, Akwa Ibom and cross river but lost only rivers state. There was no Bayelsa and Ebonyi state then. On that same election, Abiola lost most of the state in South East. At that time South East had 4 states, Imo, Abia, Anambra and Enugu. Abiola lost in Imo,Abia and Enugu. That means he lost South East and won South South. South South voted Abiola despite the fact that the VP for Tofa(Abiola opponent) was Igbo(Sylvester Ugoh who was the Governor of defunt Central Bank of Biafra)

Another thing Igbos may fail to understand is that Northerners are calculative and politically mature. Even if PDP field kwankwanso, he will not get a unified Northern support against a Yoruba candidate from APC as long as Buhari endorse the Yoruba with clear message of one good turn deserves another. Alot of Northerners will allign with the Yoruba candidate. Should the Yoruba candidate win despite South East opposition, just know the next time presidency comes to South it will come to South South. For reference purpose, Tofa lost Kano to Abiola despite being a Fulani and an Indigene of Kano State. That shows the North despite their love for power, understand the significance of rotating power between North and South.

As far as I am concerned if Buhari wins 2019, 2023 presidency will be contested by the whole South. That is South South, South East and South West will compete for it. No Southern region will get it on a platter of gold. Every region and tribe in the South is qualified for Southern Presidency in 2023. After all, South South is yet to do Eight years. We did just 5.3 years. We are still yet to govern for full blown 8 years . Nobody should be hoping to get 2023 presidency as a gift. Every region in the South is qualified. Period.

In summary, the most peaceful scenario in 2023 in the case Buhari wins 2019, is if APC chose a South South candidate. Both igbo and Yoruba will allign. None of them will want to be seen as enemy of South South because of Niger Delta oil. And Nothing will destroy Biafra agitation more than APC fielding a South South Candidate and PDP fielding a South East candidate or a Northern candidate. As there is no one Nigeria without South South oil, there is no Biafra without South South Oil. South South oil is the umblical cord keeping Nigeria together as one.

lionjungle3000:
These people afonjas have Low IQ. That's why I don't engage them. I just erase their posts and attach that Ajayi ugly picture. They are naturally an inferior race that's why they need Biafrans around to be alive.

[=oooduancalmdown post=74188648]
[s]He never rulled not because because of Ibos. Abiola won't, but the North refused him his mandate. In order for the country not to split, they made another man president. If such things happens today again, trust me the country will burn.
Yoruba people are tired of the country already anyways. You ibos are losers and northern slaves.
You can't stand on your own. Na to dey look for person join body all the time, hence "we se/ss" that you guys always shout everywhere. You cant even run for president in your own country. What you guys have always done is run as vice since the country was created.
Apc won't give you guys the president. Go to PDP. You guys are not needed in APC. Ibos can never rule Nigeria. Take this to the bank.
Bloody losers!![/s]

Obi1kenobi:
[s]
This wasn't really my observation. The hatred for Buhari started right from the campaign stage of that election. If you saw people insulting Buhari as an illiterate, or sowing fear about his motives to create a Fulani caliphate, the probability was very high that such people would be Igbo. I'm not merely talking about Nairaland where there is a lot of trolling between groups. This was my observation in the real world. Ndigbo have never hidden their complete disdain for Buhari and Hausa-Fulanis.
Of course Hausas certainly didn't like GEJ, but in my opinion, Igbos have carried more injurious rhetoric around about Buhari since the elections. This toxic climate of hate and fear was what Nnamdi Kanu exploited. Had GEJ won the elections, let's not deceive ourselves that nnamdi Kanu would have had the same level of support that he did. He certainly wouldn't. He thrived because Ndigbo adopted him as the symbol of their resistance to the Buhari government.

Buhari in my opinion does not deserve the hatred he has gotten from Igbos. He twice picked Igbo running mates and made it unequivocally clear that he intended to hand over to an Igbo man if he got elected. Even after Igbos soundly rejected him in the 2015 polls, he still explicitly stated that he would hand over to an Igbo man if he could gain some traction among Igbos in support, but we have made it clear we despise him, so he has retreated from that line. For the record, I believe Buhari's government has been an utter failure on the economy and national security, but in politics, putting all your eggs in one basket the way Ndigbo have done with PDP is suicidal[/s].

oilPUSSY:
Op what is your tribe in SS?
Stop hiding under SS to type rubbish because there are over 40 ethnic groups in SS including Igbos..
Tell us your tribe..? Don't be ashamed.

Did you say that SS will align with SW politically ?... In which century ?

Be proud of your skull mining republic for once, this is a faceless forum, nobody will beat you OK ?

I have told your brothers several times to stop this dead antics.. Dont cry that SS dissapointed in 2019 and beyond..
Stay on your lane..

South South man ko
North North man ni..

life2017:
Abiola election in 1993 shows South South may not allign with South East . 1993 is not so much of an old history.

life2017:
Abiola election in 1993 shows South South may not allign with South East . 1993 is not so much of an old history.

oilPUSSY:
Go back to your history, there was nothing like SS or SE during Abiola's time..

oooduancalmdown:
Who is this clown? Who is this ijaw dirtybag speaking for ss? Abiola won Delta, Edo Akwa Ibom and cross river and lost rivers and bayelsa state which I recall is where Ijaws and Ibos are located. You guys have never voted for Yoruba before. If not because two Yorubas ran against each other in 1999, you would not have voted for one. You have Always aligned with the north so we don't expect anything less. Yoruba will run for president and win in 2023.

raumdeuter:
In 2011 The West supported GEJ because we saw him as an oppressed. The west has always backed anyone they feel was oppressed. That was why Soyinka and Bakare led the save Nigeria group to deliver GEJ from the cabal. Even when many of Jonathans later friends were colluding with the cabal, You remember CAN that later became Jonathans best friends went to Abuja and claimed they saw YarAdua healthy. When everyone else abandoned Jonathan Yorubas stood for him with the SNG

We stood by him to make him substantive president and stood by him in 2011 even against Buhari who had Bakare(A Yoruba) as running mate also against Ribadu who had Fola Adeola(A Yoruba) as running mate

The west voted Jonathan-Sambo ticket that had no Yoruba interest on the ticket

When GEJ got to power he changed, he started marginalizing Yorubas who fought for him, He did everything against Yoruba interest. We sent messages to him which he conveniently ignored, Him and his followers mainly Ibos told us to go and meet Tinubu which we did. We went back to Tinubus ACN

Jonathan was part of the people insulting Yoruba leaders, He was there when Peter Obi and Arthur Eze were calling us Amala people in the Anambra campaign. He was part of the people calling Southwest leaders rascals

He ignored infrastructural developments in the SW, In the oil windfall between 2010 and 2015, He didnt remember to start the railway in SW, he didnt complete any major road in the SW