Homguy:
brother , I am not "understanding" what you are saying

Are you saying that one should pretend to be like them?... "But you already know where you are coming from"?

Would they do the same if they were on your own turf?
How are you sure their ways are the right ways ?or it doesn't matter?

Being tolerant of other people's culture does not equal imbibing/adopting it.

word!!!!!!!!!


could you please speak louder ?

czaratwork:

I was about to type that he has a deadly mouth abi hand. I have been laughing here. I have learnt not to be offended by his post.

honestly maternal na case . he is tooooooooooooo blunt

toboy:

What I have learned from working in a harm reduction affiliated office. People who do recreational drugs are fine as long as they dont drive or operate machines. At this level, i think its still a matter of personal choice. You know! things you can do to chlil alone, with friends or homies around, or spice up that thing. Hard drugs, one the other, are regulated because they distort mental processes and under the influence of such drugs, people can cause grave harm not only to themselves, but also to those around them. Further, cases of hard drugs and their addiction usually stern from underlying problems such as mental health, physical or psychological trauma, loss of loved ones or an opportunity that make people hopeless and lure people into drugs. This period, I think it has gone beyond an informed personal choice. its more or less an escape from something.
What they thought us about harm reduction (which I am still trying to wrap my head around) is that people who are committed to taking drugs for various reason will find ways to do drugs. It might be better off not stigmatizing them into hiding (For instance, by mere telling such people you don't approve their choices will make them keep to themselves.). As such, they will be willing to open up about their underlying problems and get the right help they need.

How does this relate to what i was insinuating?

SkyWalk12:
Hehehe.

I pray you don’t have to redo medicals. God will find a way. Are you in IP2? Has AVO freed others? I truly thought they’d opened their doors with mine.

Since you were issued PPR, I don't think AVO has released any other. We hope and pray to see movement in January from AVO!! For those who just received ITA, Pray that your file is not sent to AVO o! AVO are just joy killers!!!!!!

E ku argument o, house

One man tables his opinion, another brings him down

We shall continue to wait till the thread returns to normal

maternal:



NEVER mess with the government here. NEVER. Anyone who lives here knows it. I fear God then the federal government. Only 2 things in life that scares me. Lastly i know a Ghana girl who was on EI (employment insurance) while being unemployed. The conditions was you must stay in Canada the whole time looking for a job. She went to Ghana to party. When she returned to Canada her benefits was cut off. She was asked to repay back the money paid to her along with a 20k fine or so with interests. If she failed to comply the government was going to charge her with fraud and prosecute her. An arrest warrant would have occurred after her unsuccessful appeal. Shes paying back that fine till today. And she's illegible for EI ever again.

This is gangster man.

It does make me happier to choose Canada. The only way these benefits are sustainable is to make sure they are not abused.

Bros abeg find your way back to Manitoba or wherever it is you got your PNP. This ur job na wetin oyinbo man dey call "penny wise, pound foolish".

toboy:

Black people been punching since time immemorial and last time I checked, Black folks has the highest number of incarceration in US for instance. If we gonna win a war against racism. it wont be by throwing punches at ignorant white people. We need an investment into a calculated steps and strategy than can enable black folks break the system that feeds racists.

Know this- whoever that guy is, he has zero respect for you, your culture, your sensitivities or anything about you. To infer those words would be terrible but to say it so explicitly is actually sacrilegious in modern society.
I don't know the circumstances that dictated your response but I can tell you that whatever you intended to achieve by that cordiality will be fruitless.
For people like that, you must DEMAND respect in strong words. Never ever accept such denigrating language from anyone. Whoever says that to your face deserves words.

TheCongo2:


And this is what I have been saying from the outset

boss no dey worry yourself, English hard!! Understanding is hard too lol

TheCongo2:


I was thinking about that as well, this story doesn't sound right.
This doesn't sound like the Canada I know.
It is very unlikely for a white Canadian to tell a black person that he thinks black people are primitive beings.
In Canada, white people walk on eggshells when interacting with black.
White people are afraid to offend black people.

My Malian friend here told me a story recently and I keep laughing anytime I remember it.
One of his colleagues at work asked him a question. The colleague is Caucasian and he gave him a befitting response.
The question : Do you guys have tarred roads in your country (in Africa by extension )?
His response: When I was in Africa, going to school was not easy because I had to run as fast as my legs could carry me along the thick forests and bushes hiding the world most dangerous animals.
The lions roar as I run. The pythons hiss as I run. I would run like that till I got to school. Same thing happened on my way back home. In fact, it is still the same scenario today in Africa . School children run to school to avoid been eaten by wild animals along the pathways in the thick forests.

By the following day, the colleague has spread this story all over their company and some ignorant ones came to confirm the story from my friend while those who understand their world map very well have been laughing at their colleague for exhibiting such ignorance about Africa.

Nogen:



By the following day, the colleague has spread this story all over their company and some ignorant ones came to confirm the story from my friend while those who understand their world map very well have been laughing at their colleague for exhibiting such ignorance about Africa.

Oh noooo... lol.
Can't believe this degree of ignorance

At least those white ignorants would be afraid of your friend thinking that he had fought with lions.

Anyway, anyone who knows Africa will be able to say your colleague's story about running to school was a joke.

Likewise, anyone familiar with Canada can tell that toboy 'story doesn't ring right.

TheCongo2:


Oh noooo... lol.
Can't believe this degree of ignorance

At least those white ignorants would be afraid of your friend thinking that he had fought with lions.

Anyway, anyone who knows Africa will be able to say your colleague's story about running to school was a joke.

Likewise, anyone familiar with Canada can tell that toboy 'story doesn't ring true.

Honestly ! I haven't stopped laughing.

TheCongo2:


I was thinking about that as well, this story doesn't sound right.
This doesn't sound like the Canada I know.
It is very unlikely for a white Canadian to tell a black person that he thinks black people are primitive beings.
In Canada, white people walk on eggshells when interacting with black.
White people are afraid to offend black people.

You’re probably thinking too highly of white Canadians. You’d be shocked when they freely express themselves. They are not afraid of offending black people, they are afraid of what the system would do to them.

cochtrane:

For someone like you who preaches respect, but secretly disapproves of their lifestyle, you run the risk of denying them their right to freedom of expression. Were you to vote, for instance, in Canada on a referendum that greatly affects this set of people, you may allow your imported cultural background to influence your decision[/b]. [b]Yet you take shelter for own yourself under the same constitutional freedom offered to all. That's not exactly fair. Perhaps also, if you were in a position to maybe rent out a room to them, you may refuse to because "their actions disgust you." That's even discriminatory.

The law and constitution of Canada protect both gays rights and individual's religious beliefs. @cochtrane, I see in your post that you are advocating for their rights and are pushing it to great lengths, thereby being oblivious of other rights enshrined in the constitution.

Needless to say, your reasoning is flawed @cochtrane et al. I couldn't find a Canadian case yet, but this leading US case is very instructive. I enjoin everyone to read the article below:

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/jun/04/gay-cake-ruling-supreme-court-same-sex-wedding-colorado-baker-decision-latest

For a refresher, the Supreme Court is the final court of Appeal over a matter. In this case, the Learned Justices ruled 7-2 i.e 7 Justices in favour, 2 in dissent. That says a lot.

I stand where the law stands which is where @TheCongo stands too. There should be mutual respect and understanding but I have every right to deal with my property however I deem fit including refusing as a landlord not to rent to gay couples if I feel any of my Charter rights as codified in The Canadian constitution 1982, would be infringed and ladies and gentlemen, that's not discrimination.

I wouldn't want to bore anyone with the plethora of Canadian cases where the court has upheld religious beliefs as sufficient reason for the commission or omission of a particular act.

Personally, I would not rent my building to a gay couple based on religious beliefs. It's not being discriminatory.

Note that:
1. No 2 cases are same as facts and circumstances of a case matter in arriving at a judgment.
2. Readers should not consider this as a legal advice but rather as a personal opinion.

cochtrane:


Naturally I wouldn't like to get into this argument, but I think you are getting some things wrong. I'd wager that's because of your cultural (or religious?) background, so it's almost acceptable. However, it doesn't mean that you are correct.

It seems you believe that being gay is a western concept totally foreign to Africa. This isn't true. Many of those who are homosexual are innately so. They didn't chose to be that way. And this attribute cuts across race, sex and gender. It has very little to do with being white or being black and more to do with being human. Of course, you may choose to not believe this, but it doesn't make it wrong. All you need do is spend some time with those who are homosexual and you'll discover they didn't chose to be that way. If they had a choice, they'd love very much to be "normal" like everyone else. Who would love to be incessantly discriminated against!? But it wasn't a choice they could make. I know a handful of Nigerians who are gay and they didn't need to spend time in a western country to be that way.

Your position would have been totally innocent, except you aren't admitting there's a twist to it. For someone like you who preaches respect, but secretly disapproves of their lifestyle, you run the risk of denying them their right to freedom of expression. Were you to vote, for instance, in Canada on a referendum that greatly affects this set of people, you may allow your imported cultural background to influence your decision. Yet you take shelter for own yourself under the same constitutional freedom offered to all. That's not exactly fair. Perhaps also, if you were in a position to maybe rent out a room to them, you may refuse to because "their actions disgust you." That's even discriminatory. Yet, in the same vein you'll find it untenable that a white house owner would deny an immigrant black family an apartment because he doesn't want them around him.

I agree with you that there are aspects of Nigerian (or African) culture that are good and that we all must preserve or introduce to our new society. Some are strong enough to render change and in fact improve conditions in our new environment. But I strongly disagree that labeling homosexuality disgusting is one of these. That's no more because homosexuality is simply not one man's culture than it is because it is actually disgusting. For all I know, if thoughts were not as stifled in Nigeria as it is, many of my homosexual friends would speak up.

But if I may ask your suggestion; is it innate to be polygamous in nature?
Truth be told, the fact that I 'respect' your choice does not make it right with me. It's this error that Western countries continuously fail over and over again. They go to countries where the people want Monarchy and cause rancor and war in countries who Democracy is alien to.

You must know that living in a place does not mean you've got to agree with their 'madness'. If your narrative above is your belief, its because you have gay friends and you're able to sympathize with them not because you're in Canada. I could as well sympathize with Polygamy and still be wrong in Canada. Human beliefs are stronger than simply changing location.

Even if I relocate to Canada, under no cause will I support Homosexual/Transgender. It won't even be an option. I am convinced that there are many 'foolish' desire we all can either fuel or frustrate in our hearts. One of such is Homosexual desire as well as Polygamy. If you 'foolishly' feed yours, don't force me to agree even if the Prime Minister of Canada does. He only rules/leads a geographical location not the heart.

And before anyone run to town with 'hate-whatever', disagreeing with your 'folly' aint meaning I don't respect or love you; it just mean that I ain't permitting your 'shits'. And that includes ALL WESTERN COUNTRIES.

toboy:

Black people been punching since time immemorial and last time I checked, Black folks has the highest number of incarceration in US for instance. If we gonna win a war against racism. it wont be by throwing punches at ignorant white people. We need an investment into a calculated steps and strategy than can enable black folks break the system that feeds racists.

It would have been easier to admit your mistakes than going about this rant. That white boy looked you in the face and insulted you, your race and your ancestors. What was your response - You understand. You only confirmed his biased views.

I can accept you inferiority complex but this statement and your rants needs to be properly addressed.

Olabestonic001:



But if I may ask your suggestion; is it innate to be polygamous in nature?
Truth be told, the fact that I 'respect' your choice does not make it right with me. It's this error that Western countries continuously fail over and over again. They go to countries where the people want Monarchy and cause rancor and war in countries who Democracy is alien to.

You must know that living in a place does not mean you've got to agree with their 'madness'. If your narrative above is your belief, its because you have gay friends and you're able to sympathize with them not because you're in Canada. I could as well sympathize with Polygamy and still be wrong in Canada. Human beliefs are stronger than simply changing location.

Even if I relocate to Canada, under no cause will I support Homosexual/Transgender. It won't even be an option. I am convinced that there are many 'foolish' desire we all can either fuel or frustrate in our hearts. One of such is Homosexual desire as well as Polygamy. If you 'foolishly' feed yours, don't force me to agree even if the Prime Minister of Canada does. He only rules/leads a geographical location not the heart.

And before anyone run to town with 'hate-whatever', disagreeing with your 'folly' aint meaning I don't respect or love you; it just mean that I ain't permitting your 'shits'. And that includes ALL WESTERN COUNTRIES.

Sincerely - if the system allows western people to speak freely, they would prefer to get rid of gay people. The main reason the liberal government was voted out in Ontario province was the change in sex education in schools where news books on homosexuality are considered to be okay. This intensified parents anger. However, if you ask people in Ontario, they would covertly say they were satisfied with the liberal policies without giving you specific details.

Boss13:


Sincerely - if the system allows western people to speak freely, they would prefer to get rid of gay people. The main reason the liberal government was voted out in Ontario province was the change in sex education in schools where news books on homosexuality are considered to be okay. This intensified parents anger. However, if you ask people in Ontario, they would covertly say they were satisfied with the liberal policies without giving you specific details.

Very apt submission
If you google the west coast Christian accord and their crusade against sogi 123 educational curriculum being introduced in schools, you will see that it's mostly being championed by white Canadians Christians... Yet I don't see anyone telling them to shut up and leave Canada if they are not OK with it.
But if Na black man voice an alternate opinion to these topics, we will be crucifying them here

bily:


Very apt submission
If you google the west coast Christian accord and their crusade against sogi 123 educational curriculum being introduced in schools, you will see that it's mostly being championed by white Canadians Christians... Yet I don't see anyone telling them to shut up and leave Canada if they are not OK with it.
But if Na black man voice an alternate opinion to these topics, we will be crucifying them here

Technically it's their country. It's why they have voting rights and PR's don't. It also why you can be deported they can't.

Would you allow me come to your house and be claiming the same rights as your brother?

Boss13:


You’re probably thinking too highly of white Canadians. You’d be shocked when they freely express themselves. They are not afraid of offending black people, they are afraid of what the system would do to them.

That's his point. Like I'm not afraid to steal. I'm afraid of what the system would do to me. Therefore I don't steal.

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AZeD1:

Technically it's their country. It's why they have voting rights and PR's don't. It also why you can be deported they can't.

Would you allow me come to your house and be claiming the same rights as your brother?

And that exactly is the point.
We allow them to come to our space and claim rights and it's OK. But we must not have an opinion in their space, it's a sin according to us.

And we are the ones castigating ourselves for having an opinion in their space. This is the inferiority complex congo2 is talking about.

toboy:

I had a conversation with a white person who says they respect black people but then he finds black people are "dirty, primitive, and violent people". To unpack this racial stereotype, I told him I understand why he might feel that way due to the socialization and misrepresentation of black people in North America.

Bro, you need to stay woke.

bily:


And that exactly is the point.
We allow them to come to our space and claim rights and it's OK. But we must not have an opinion in their space, it's a sin according to us.

And we are the ones castigating ourselves for having an opinion in their space. This is the inferiority complex congo2 is talking about.

Nobody has said it ok but for you to fight it, you need people who believe in the equal rights of people irrespective of sexuality, race, tribe e.t.c

The people on this thread are all migrating to Canada because the system discourages discrimination(at least openly). A certain poster says he would not rent an apartment to homosexuals because of his religion but that same person has most likely complained about tribalism in Nigeria and he would definitely complain if he is denied a job because of his religion.

AZeD1:

Nobody has said it ok but for you to fight it, you need people who believe in the equal rights of people irrespective of sexuality, race, tribe e.t.c

The people on this thread are all migrating to Canada because the system discourages discrimination(at least openly). A certain poster says he would not rent an apartment to homosexuals because of his religion but that same person has most likely complained about tribalism in Nigeria and he would definitely complain if he is denied a job because of his religion.

And how do you know if those white in Bily's post aren't immigrants to Canada.

This may be another case of microaggression in the Canadian society. If you are black you are an immigrant. If you are white, they assume you are in your country.

bily:


Very apt submission
If you google the west coast Christian accord and their crusade against sogi 123 educational curriculum being introduced in schools, you will see that it's mostly being championed by white Canadians Christians... Yet I don't see anyone telling them to shut up and leave Canada if they are not OK with it.
But if Na black man voice an alternate opinion to these topics, we will be crucifying them here

AZeD1:

Nobody has said it ok but for you to fight it, you need people who believe in the equal rights of people irrespective of sexuality, race, tribe e.t.c

The people on this thread are all migrating to Canada because the system discourages discrimination(at least openly). A certain poster says he would not rent an apartment to homosexuals because of his religion but that same person has most likely complained about tribalism in Nigeria and he would definitely complain if he is denied a job because of his religion.

*insert thumbs up emoji here

TheCongo2:


And how do you know if those white in Bily's post aren't immigrants to Canada.

This may be another case of microaggression in the Canadian society. If you are black you are an immigrant. If you are white, they assume you are in your country.

Immigrants can't vote until you become a citizen.

AZeD1:

Immigrants can't vote until you become a citizen.

And a lot of us here on nairaland are citizens
But still, they will ask us to leave Canada if we voice an opinion contrary to the mainstream society belief

TheCongo2:


And a lot of us here on nairaland are citizens
But still, they will ask us to leave Canada if we voice an opinion contrary to the mainstream society belief

That's also discrimination or should I say stereotyping.

Lovely discourse. As long as tempers don't flare, these discussions are actually quite enlightening. Kudos to the contributors. I wish our current residents can introduce some of these testy topics from time to time and share their perspectives. It will certainly go a long way to preventing some Chinedu Ayo Yusuf from losing his PR tomorrow.