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| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Covert1: 2:40pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
numbered:And did you see where I mentioned "acting our size"!. How much deposit of crude oil did Yoweri Kaguta Museveni find before he started buying Su-30 jets. Serious countries or sorry serious leaders don't joke with their national sovereignty, people and natural resources. If you took the pains to tell us the high value resources in the Chad basin couldn't you also imagine that without commensurate defence spending in training of men and purchase of equipment hostile forces may seek to mine it for revenues. This has been the way of the world from time immemorial -- men fight wars for land and resources even water. Today they fight it in more sophisticated ways. Do you think ISWAP is fighting only for religious gains. No one goes to war for nothing or start a revolution in a non-viable economic space. In formulating defence policies geo-strategic countries commonly adopt a policy of deterrence by arming adequately, funding R & D and churning out highly trained forces that makes any would be aggressor or proxy think twice of upsetting the status quo. Why won't minion countries or BHT challenge the state. They know you have the resources but not the muscle in terms of modern armaments to stop them. Right now what Nigeria is doing is a joke for a country its size. BHTs resurgence clearly shows it is again an existential threat to the fatherland and by now we shouldn't be talking of 1 billion dollars but a minimum start-up of 5 billion dollars a year to have a modern military. Could you imagine France is faced with this threat and they would be spending peanuts to prosecute it. Right now we are to a large degree an anaemic fighting force tasked to fight a modern war. Look at us running around in soft skinned technicals. BHT knows how many planes you have and types and what times they are up in the air therefore exploiting existing gaps. You think it's strange they effectively overrun bases. We should have right now a 24 hour RECCE overflight covering every square inch of the north-east, Chad, Niger & Cameroon and calling in airstrikes. ISWAP couldn't even lift a finger when you do that. Alas! We can't. And without exporting this war to Chad up into southern Libya we should stop talking of ending this war. If Nigeria is truly the giant it claims it is it should be able and rightly so to pacify Libya the conduit and source of all our woes today. Take the fight to the enemy which is the best form of defence. And the core benefit of franchising this war is that Nigerian citizens cease being the casualties of this war which is the first and major responsibility of any power. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by numbered(m): 2:47pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
Henry240:The NN are quitely doing things right,one benefit of having short to long term plans.To cement his legacy the current CAS should do same so that future air chiefs would know what to do. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by numbered(m): 2:57pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
Covert1:The enemy also has a say you know.The moment we "take the fight" to Libya the hidden nails planted in the NW will show themselves .What we can try for are cross border raids to destroy their camps and 1. we don't have enough helicopters 2. the French have obstructed nearly every effort by NAF to strike bh camps in Chad.I agree we dont act our size,always trying to match our neighbours instead of peers like SA and Algeria. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by EVarn(m): 3:06pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
I Covert1:This is exactly what sensible people have been saying, why can't we pacify Libya? However, I see a problem with exporting this war, it would begin to attract more active engagement from foreign powers. The greatest mistake will be if France, the US and allies hijack the war for their gains. If we want to stem the problem, the best thing is to go to Libya with a coalition of Nigerian, Algerian, Egyptian and Moroccan forces under a wider AU mandate. It would be within the context of the planned African Regional Standby Force. Secure that country and install an interim government, and we will begin to see light at the end of this BH/ISWAP tunnel. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by GeneralFarouq: 3:16pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
frumentius:This guy made a thorough research |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Covert1: 3:19pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
numbered:Some point but the enemy isn't exactly caring for diplomatic niceties, they are everywhere wrecking havoc. Cross border raids utilizing the SBS is one good option to feel out and draw out the hidden enemy but it would only suffice in the interim cos as you highlight that enemy would have a contingency plan. So arming up first of all is a prerequisite for credible deterrence and when I say exporting the war it doesn't have to be the Nigerian Army full on ground for an invasion which alerts your enemy (they know even when you are mustering forces) but subtle ways (a job for the intelligence community who know what to do but held back by Nigeria's big brother policy and unwritten non-aggression stance against neighbors) to infiltrate and provoke the enemy which keeps him busy at home (right now ISWAP & its sponsors has no distractions allowing it time and space to strategize, mount and rest after attacks) while you hit with mortal strikes with advisably a limited invasion to create space on the borders neutralizing the flow and source of weapons, men and material that clearly is sustaining this insurgency. If Nigeria wants peace it should wake up to action not what currently obtains making us a joke even to our enemies. Niger just mocked us in their parliament for losing multiple army bases to ISWAP. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Covert1: 3:23pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
EVarn:I like this. Having a coalition is always a plus. But we must begin at home. We can't be teeing up with Egypt and Algeria that fly Rafales and Sukhois with the F-7Ni. Our defence spending smacks of an unserious nation. A good point but we must bring something to the table. Nigeria is a huge country and if it arms adequately with a defence budget of 5 billion dollars or more it would be enough deterrent to keep anyone from fighting us. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by EVarn(m): 3:44pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
Covert1:Of course, we must be well equipped before considering such an ambitious joint venture. We have to increase military spending. $5bln/year might be stretching it considering our current economic realities, but at least, an initial $5bln to kickstart the rearmament programme, and then $3bln annually for the next 10 years will place us somewhere. Nothing stopping us from stocking up on Sukhois and the latest J-series. Nothing stopping us from partnering with DENEL, Pakistani Aeronautical Complex, and even buying Israeli lavi technology to commenced our own homegrown capabilities. But it seems something is wrong with our system, because we have been saying these things for years, and I believe the authorities concerned are aware of these realities. Yet no result. Until we get to the Libyan root of this matter, no solution. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by CaptainStephen(m): 5:23pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
kikuyu1:yep, and its not a nice experience. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by CaptainStephen(m): 5:26pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
jteku:Very sad, rest in piece roomz. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kikuyu1(m): 5:36pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
CaptainStephen:Fyi,a 6 inch foam mattress on the floor can surprisingly MITIGATE shrapnel effect but ofc not completely. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by LTGEN: 6:08pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
numbered:The CNS should also be considered for the post of the CDS under his tenure NIGERIA is posting 1.9MBPD + Condensate =2 MBPD of production there have been some piracy issues and kidnappings but it does not take away from his notable achievements which will also include * SECOND INDIGENOUS Ship BUILT * Multiple Epenal |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by LTGEN: 6:12pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
numbered:The CNS should also be considered for the post of the CDS under his tenure NIGERIA is posting 1.9MBPD + Condensate =2 MBPD of production there have been some piracy issues and kidnappings but it does not take away from his notable achievements which will also include * SECOND INDIGENOUS Ship BUILT * Multiple Epenal Ships built locally - proving a good C.S.R. and providing employment for the locals * Actualization of the Navy University * The High level of the SBS has not only been maintained but it appears to of increased recent events in the N'EAST and the Gambia attests to that. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by numbered(m): 6:23pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
LTGEN:Last year i heard from someone who spoke with a captain ( commercial ) that Nigerian waters are relatively safe but when a ship passes into neighbouring waters that's when pirates strike. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kikuyu1(m): 6:51pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
Covert1:Idk the exact figures but isn't that difficult with 8 or 9 operational alphas;themselves limited to a mere max 2.5T payload? |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kikuyu1(m): 7:31pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
Covert1:That was actually a prime example of MISMATCHED DEFENSE SPENDING! He spent 5% of GDP in 2011 to buy a mere 7 Sues-to deter who? How many are still flying? What's the CPFH of those heavyweight twin engine deep strike fastbirds? How can a 5th world country keep them airborne in hi tempo ops against a peer to peer engagement or the endless LRA,cross border ops beloved of M7? What's the state of UPDF lift,choppers,MRAPs etc etc? What about the housing and soldiers welfare? I can't confirm but IIRC 2 were written off and only 3 are flyable despite the pics we constantly see here. Ask nemesis8u,the IAF experience with those maintenance heavy birds. Also is it wise when your entire airforce is based at a single airfield:strategic depth? Imo,the UPDF priority should've been housing! The mass currently inhabit mud walled housing referred to as ''mama,ingia pole pole,''woman,enter carefully! However,the dictator gives zero effs and prioritises his OWN WANTS OVER EVERYBODY ELSES NEEDS! I also hear the biggest source of loss of Sue fliers is not desertion or combat but KQ! As soon as they hit 500 hrs they make a beeline to Nairobi where their multi engine rating in high performance jets is eagerly snapped up by Kenya airways. That Sue episode caused much laughter here in Nairobi! Edit:that oil;yet to be sold to pay for the Sues might not even be his!Typically,the Congolese say he played the usual map sleight of hand and the oil fields actually lie ACROSS THE BORDER. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by GabrielYulaw(m): 8:33pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
Covert1:I think you just spoke my mind I remember saying we should buy the Sukhoi 34 and lots of them and a Nairalander rebuked me saying we don't have the funds. lol. This insurgency costs us tens of billions of dollars yearly both directly and indirectly. So no amount is too big to spend buying the right armaments to properly fight it. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by GabrielYulaw(m): 8:36pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
GeneralFarouq:Very very thorough. He has a good mastery of the English language too and puts together convincing arguments like a pro |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by GabrielYulaw(m): 8:40pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
kikuyu1:I thought that was 1.5 tons spread across 5 hard points? |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 9:23pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
GabrielYulaw:That's Peccavi. Peccavi is an ex-senior British soldiers with tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. He is the first Nigerian to serve in Iraq. He's now a security consultant. He's based in the UK. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Covert1: 9:45pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
kikuyu1:The C-130s can be utilized for such roles... |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Covert1: 9:47pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
kikuyu1:Almost everyone agrees it was foolish spending for Uganda but the point is the intent. That's the point. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Covert1: 10:05pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
GabrielYulaw:The Su-34 is an excellent platform for counter-air and counter-surface combat roles. Actually Nigeria shouldn't be shy to pick up a few examples especially that Russia is willing to put up the funding but the NAF as a professional organization factors in operational costs in its acquisitions which is why as all evidence points to it is settling for a mix of the JF-17 Thunder & Super-Tucano 4th generation combat aircrafts which delivers the same results for a fraction of the cost of running and maintaining the Sukhois. As much as we hate to love the Tucanos the specifications we are getting are actually highly deadly machines in the sky. The problem with our acquisitions are the numbers are too few for the threats we face, it is still a glass half full. The major problem right now is the Nigerian Army. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 10:21pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
New in 2019: Two new US air bases in Africa nearing completion U.S. Africa Command is hoping to finish two new air bases in 2019, one in Niger and one in Somalia, to stage operations against militants in the region.By: Kyle Rempfer. Militarytimes
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| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 11:16pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
Covert1:The research done (anon posted here) suggests otherwise. You should read it. It’s not a question of spending on big ticket items or more air-power. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by GabrielYulaw(m): 11:21pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
Henry240:Wow and double wow! Seun suppose pay him just for appearing here. Wow. Combat tours you say? I am highly impressed. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Odunayaw(m): 11:23pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
patches689:Its the little foxes that spoils the vine They don't understand that |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by GabrielYulaw(m): 11:30pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
Covert1:The role I see the Sukhoi 34 playing is to launch from Kaduna with extra fuel tanks and stay on station for up to 24 hours with in-flight refueling. That way it can take care of any insurgents that might appear at any time of the day or night. We can buy the tankers or make them ourselves. The Tucano is no doubt a lovely aircraft with very low operating costs. However, it can only carry 1.5 tons and its top speed is less than 500 knots, Suppose a base is being overrun and its presence is needed fast, can it make it in time since it lacks mach speed and afterburners? I doubt that. The JF-17 Thunder is also a lovely plane. But it simply carries too little payload and is not armored like the Sukhoi. Plus we are buying pitiful amounts of both. So pitiful that it makes absolutely no sense. What's needed is a heavy multi role aircraft with long range and heavy payload in the range of 8 tons and up. The Sukhoi 34 carries 12 tons, but the only problem is that it is maintenance-intensive. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Covert1: 11:38pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
patches689:I read it. Even ISWAP can anticipate what measures he suggested. I have submitted a more unpredictable one. I don't agree with everything posted by the author especially with that part of it's "not a question of spending more...". The writer himself identified existing gaps in ISR capacity and his pessimism in closing that. I disagree. When you are faced with an existential threat you do everything you can to overcome it. And in all fairness to the Nigerian Armed Forces there is nothing projected by the writer that has not been done. Furthermore the CDS continues to generate forces for mission purposes the only question is of what quality and though the Military is stretched it is not overwhelmed. The facts on the ground point to the need to adequately fund and equip the Nigerian Army that bears the brunt of the fighting in the north-east. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Covert1: 11:51pm On Jan 04, 2019 |
GabrielYulaw:I concur. Actually I'm sold to the idea of a heavy air-superiority aircraft like the Su-34. It is time to act. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by SternProphet: 12:30am On Jan 05, 2019 |
Covert1:The SU 34 will never be able to find and kill Boko Haram as cheaply and effectively as Super Tucano. The Super Tucano can be used proactively, loitering with its boring turboprop engines droning on and looking for insurgents with one pilot scanning sensors poring through sahel savanna brush. The other scenario of scrambling high flying SU 34s to counter random raids by 500 ISWAP guys on distant Nigerian Army who frequently melt away in many predetermined directions is interesting but far stretched. I would rather buy 12 more Super Tucanos and save all that operational cost. I believe SU 34 will be acquired but will purely be a more strategic asset available to warn neighbours that we have the reach to strike insurgent camps in their countries if they don't act to proactively remove them. That's all the usefulness of SU 34 to the COIN effort. SU 34s also give capability to effectivrly police the Gulf of Guinea and threaten possible strikes at Libyan terrorist camps if need be. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Covert1: 12:42am On Jan 05, 2019 |
SternProphet:Well said this time. I think we are all on the same page here. Our only draw back now is the military leadership and the political class that can't seem to see the reality. |
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I remember saying we should buy the Sukhoi 34 and lots of them and a Nairalander rebuked me saying we don't have the funds. lol. This insurgency costs us tens of billions of dollars yearly both directly and indirectly. So no amount is too big to spend buying the right armaments to properly fight it.