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Martinez19:
This irrationality is quite astonishing. How does past mode of immigration many hundred years ago apply to now? Does the past invasion of ancient europeans on American soil justify illegal immigration today? So Americans should leave their borders open because of what their ancestors did?

because if you aren't native American then you aren't aboriginal to the land and at some point you or your ancestor was a fucking immigrant who emigrated with laxer or no rules so where is your moral justification to talk about legal or illegal and yes the justification is being championed by Americans of European descent supporting the republicans so if race truly wasn't a factor in their opposition then the rational standards that applied to their ancestors should apply to other asylum seekers today if not for their blatant hypocrisy! So yes it totally justifies it

BraniacX:
because if you aren't native American then you aren't aboriginal to the land and at some point you or your ancestor was a fucking immigrant who emigrated with laxer or no rules so where is your moral justification to talk about legal or illegal and yes the justification is being championed by Americans of European descent supporting the republicans so if race truly wasn't a factor in their opposition then the rational standards that applied to their ancestors should apply to other asylum seekers today if not for their blatant hypocrisy! So yes it totally justifies it

I am sorry for arguing with you, don't kill my brain cells.

Martinez19:
I am sorry for arguing with you, don't kill my brain cells?

Only if you have any.

gesundheit:
Only if you have any.

I have a brain, a very good brain. Goodbye.

Martinez19:
I am sorry for arguing with you, don't kill my brain cells?

I could go savage on you but eh! Cheers! Happy new year!

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Martinez19:
I have a brain, a very good brain. Goodbye.

Another stable genius.

BraniacX:
because if you aren't native American then you aren't aboriginal to the land and at some point you or your ancestor was a fucking immigrant who emigrated with laxer or no rules so where is your moral justification to talk about legal or illegal and yes the justification is being championed by Americans of European descent supporting the republicans so if race truly wasn't a factor in their opposition then the rational standards that applied to their ancestors should apply to other asylum seekers today if not for their blatant hypocrisy! So yes it totally justifies it

Your ancestors probably killed twins or did human sacrifice or invaded other peoples land to take slaves like was the norm in those days

So its hypocritical for you today to condemn people killing twins, people getting killed for human sacrifice or invasion of other peoples land

raumdeuter:
Your ancestors probably killed twins or did human sacrifice or invaded other peoples land

SO you today have no right to talk about people killing twins, people getting killed for human sacrifice or invasion of other peoples land

Are we speculating here? I wasn't

raumdeuter:
Your ancestors probably killed twins or did human sacrifice or invaded other peoples land to take slaves like was the norm in those days

So its hypocritical for you today to condemn people killing twins, people getting killed for human sacrifice or invasion of other peoples land

Ouch, lol!

BraniacX:
Are we speculating here? I wasn't

As was the case in medieval times all over the world where only the strong survived

Most people of African descent did. Many of our ancestors took slaves, did human sacrifices, killed twins, ransacked other villages to take spoils of war

Most people who survived till today, their ancestors did things that if we use the moral compass of today to judge were horrible human right abuses and war crimes

Unlike you I dont believe I live in Utopia, I know and realize I live in a real world where nothing is perfect

Martinez19:
A lot are still arguing for borders both in the UK and America. In both cases, they are liberals, especially young liberals. Their reasons usually are "let them in and give them a better life," "it's unfair to shut our doors to desperate people that need help" etc.

but isn't that the whole concept of asylum and/or a chance at a new and better life which the ancestors of the same conservatives benefited from? na wa oh! Can hypocrisy be more blatant? How i wish native Americans were making the laws and manning the ports of entry in the past four centuries, America will definitely not have these many gullible Republicans

BraniacX:
but isn't that the whole concept of asylum and/or a chance at a new and better life which the ancestors of the same conservatives benefited from? na wa oh! Can hypocrisy be more blatant? How i wish native Americans were making the laws and manning the ports of entry in the past four centuries, America will definitely not have these many gullible Republicans

So if something is acceptable 100yrs ago, It should be acceptable now?

raumdeuter:
As was the case in medieval times all over the world where only the strong survived

Most people of African descent did. Many of our ancestors took slaves, did human sacrifices, killed twins, ransacked other villages to take spoils of war

Most people who survived till today, their ancestors did things that if we use the moral compass of today to judge were horrible human right abuses and war crimes

Unlike you I dont believe I live in Utopia, I know and realize I live in a real world where nothing is perfect

My dear, mine didn't, can you prove for a fact that they did? See the part where speculation comes in?

But fact is, if you are not native American and not slave descended, then the requirements for you and/or your ancestors gaining entry to the US were laxer or less stricter than today for non Caucasian migrants and that's not speculation!

raumdeuter:
So if something is acceptable 100yrs ago, It should be acceptable now?

have the moral standards changed? Pray tell me again the texts written at or associated with the statue of liberty, esp that part about giving me your downtrodden!

BraniacX:
have the moral standards changed? Pray tell me again the texts written at or associated with the statue of liberty, esp that part about giving me your downtrodden!

Yes moral standard have changed. At a time it was perfectly okay to marry women under 18, perfectly okay to take slaves, perfectly okay to raid towns and take spoils

raumdeuter:
Yes moral standard have changed. At a time it was perfectly okay to marry women under 18, perfectly okay to take slaves, perfectly okay to raid towns and take spoils

okay then tell me the standards as pertaining to immigration! And on the statue of liberty question, I also remember "give me your destitute"

BraniacX:
My dear, mine didn't, can you prove for a fact that they did? See the part where speculation comes in?
But fact is, if you are not native American and not slave descended, then the requirements for you and/or your ancestors gaining entry to the US were laxer or less stricter than today for non Caucasian migrants and that's not speculation!

You can deny all you can but those who are realistic and truthful wll tell you the world wasn't always like this and in the future, some practices that are okay today might even be illegal and outlawed in the next 100yrs

Yoruba people were said to have migrated from somewhere in the middle east, who were the immigration officers and what immigration papers did they fill out?

Old Oyo migrated from current Kebbi state to current site, who did they take I-94 from?

Biblical Abraham moved from Iraq to Israel, Did he do an adjustment of status?

So because there were no migration standards in those days we should also insist that entry to Nigeria should be free for all like it was in those days.

Many people migrated into their current land by killing the previous inhabitants, Should we also continue by that standard?

raumdeuter:
You can deny all you can but those who are realistic and truthful wll tell you the world wasn't always like this and in the future, some practices that are okay today might even be illegal and outlawed in the next 100yrs

Yoruba people were said to have migrated from somewhere in the middle east, who were the immigration officers and what immigration papers did they fill out?

Old Oyo migrated from current Kebbi state to current site, who did they take I-94 from?

Biblical Abraham moved from Iraq to Israel, Did he do an adjustment of status?

but mehn! I am truthful to the best of my knowledge, or you would prefer a lie to comfort you? In this exchange, stick to facts, not speculation because "were said" isn't same as "were known'

BraniacX:
but mehn! I am truthful to the best of my knowledge, or you would prefer a lie to comfort you? In this exchange, stick to facts, not speculation

"To the best of your knowledge"

A white American too will tell you to the best of his knowledge his ancestors never broke any rule

In 200yrs time maybe when eating meat is illegal you great grandchildren will deny that you ever tasted beef

Even today you can deny your forefathers were ever polygamous and never paid dowry(bought women) "To the best of your knowledge"

Like I said I know I dont live in Utopia, you can believe otherwise

BraniacX:
but mehn! I am truthful to the best of my knowledge, or you would prefer a lie to comfort you? In this exchange, stick to facts, not speculation because "were said" isn't same as "were known'

I only say what I read because I was not there. This is like a white American being interviewed and asked if his ancestors came from EUrope and he insisted NO they were all from America they never migrated

raumdeuter:
"To the best of your knowledge"

A white American too will tell you to the best of his knowledge his ancestors never broke any rule

In 200yrs time maybe when eating meat is illegal you great grandchildren will deny that you ever tasted beef

Even today you can deny your forefathers were ever polygamous and never paid dowry(bought women) "To the best of your knowledge"

Like I said I know I dont live in Utopia, you can believe otherwise

oh he will say that, but records will show they lied! Oh ship manifests and port records and all that useless paper stuff and for the record, my fore fathers were polygamous! Crucify me if i ever deny! see? Fact not speculation

raumdeuter:
I only say what I read because I was not there. This is like a white American being interviewed and asked if his ancestors came from EUrope and he insisted NO they were all from America they never migrated

I wasn't there true! But the official records are!

raumdeuter:
"To the best of your knowledge"

A white American too will tell you to the best of his knowledge his ancestors never broke any rule

In 200yrs time maybe when eating meat is illegal you great grandchildren will deny that you ever tasted beef

Even today you can deny your forefathers were ever polygamous and never paid dowry(bought women) "To the best of your knowledge"

Like I said I know I dont live in Utopia, you can believe otherwise

on what i debate with you on, it isn't my best knowledge that is the evidence now is it? It is written documents vilifying immigration opponents like hannity, tommy lauhren e.t.c showing us their less than ideal immigrant ancestors and showing the stupidity of their bigotry because if same standards were applied to their ancestors then they wouldn't exist

BraniacX:
on what i debate with you on, it isn't my best knowledge that is the evidence now is it? It is written documents vilifying immigration opponents like hannity, tommy lauhren e.t.c showing us their less than ideal immigrant ancestors and showing the stupidity of their bigotry because if same standards were applied to their ancestors then they wouldn't exist

Its false equivalence to try to draw a parallel between the world of today and the world over a 100yrs ago

200yrs ago you can move anywhere in the world you want, as long as you are strong enough to overpower the locals or work out an agreement with them you can stay

Today there are well-defined borders and rules governing immigration

You cannot use the laws/standards of today to judge a century ago and you cannot use the laws/standards of a century ago to judge today

BraniacX:
oh he will say that, but records will show they lied! Oh ship manifests and port records and all that useless paper stuff and for the record, my fore fathers were polygamous! Crucify me if i ever deny! see? Fact not speculation

And those that didn't have official manifest or documentation means they never crossed the border or immigrated?

BraniacX:
and pray tell from whose perspective the hundreds of years of European migration to the Americas was legal? The native American's? Oga go and take a back seat and join the list of the willfully ignorant i have put in their place!

You are not making any sense, in fact, you are the one who is being willfully ignorant. If we are to follow this your irrational thinking then almost every country should leave their borders open for every tom, dick and harry since our ancestors all migrated to our present locations sometime in our history. Very illogical

raumdeuter:
Its false equivalence to try to draw a parallel between the world of today and the world over a 100yrs ago

200yrs ago you can move anywhere in the world you want, as long as you are strong enough to overpower the locals or work out an agreement with them you can stay

Today there are well-defined borders and rules governing immigration

You cannot use the laws/standards of today to judge a century ago and you cannot use the laws/standards of a century ago to judge today

This why I withdrew from arguing with him. When I see adults struggling with concepts that nursery school kids understand with ease or living in denial when it comes to simple stuffs, I simply withdraw. Goodluck trying to make him understand.

gesundheit:
Only if you have any.

gesundheit:
Another stable genius.

Soon as I saw your moniker, I just knew you would make the most nonsensical comment on the thread. Look at the enlightening and educating debate that was going on, you couldn't contribute anything reasonable, all you did was wait for an opportunity to start throwing insults and when the person you insulted wisely refused to engage in mudslinging with you, you just ran away from the thread because you had absolutely nothing else to contribute. What a shame!!

raumdeuter:
Its false equivalence to try to draw a parallel between the world of today and the world over a 100yrs ago

200yrs ago you can move anywhere in the world you want, as long as you are strong enough to overpower the locals or work out an agreement with them you can stay

Today there are well-defined borders and rules governing immigration

You cannot use the laws/standards of today to judge a century ago and you cannot use the laws/standards of a century ago to judge today

Mr, understand a phrase before you brandish it as a paper shield! False equivalence? Don't make me laugh! The reason America was founded as a country was to create a safe haven and somewhere to belong to for those who for whatsoever reason were feeling oppressed! And that was set into the spirit of your statues! So Mr whattaboutism, let me play your game with you, isn't it false equivalence to say that i can not seize you and make you my slave since the British abolition of slavery is almost 180years old and the american 13th amendment over a 100years old?

budaatum:
Robert De Niro Doesn't Love Trump!

I don't think Trump loves him either