Hi..please if u already came here to attack me, please dont read.

If u also came here without an open mind, it will be difficult for u to break out from your pastor's Doctrine

Im not a pastor, but a medical doctor (Here is my blog https://www.medplux.com)

Im only shocked that, within a week i started reading the bible intensively, i saw God's purpose firsthand. Its shocking i have been hearing false doctrines for years.


Now, lets start from the basics of tithes (i will be as concise as possible)


Tithing was first established in the old testament far before Moses through Abraham

He (Abraham) paid Mechedezek 10 percent of all he had once after the war. Gen 14:18-20


Then after, the children of isreal were instructed (as a law) to pay tithes to the Levi priesthood tribe of isreal.

Only these tribe, of the 12 tribes of isreal, can become High preist and collect tithes. Deut 12: 5-11, Deut 14 : 22 - 29, Leveticus 27: 30 - 34

Was tithe mentioned later in the bible?

Yes ofcourse. In malachi 3: 10 - 15

That the Jews of old should bring in their tithes to the storehouse of God

Did Christ mention tithe?

Yes he did.

He said

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former"

Christ encouraged the Jews to pay their tithes and also not neglect the most important part of the scriptures - justice and faith

So, before the death of christ, he encoraged the jew to live according to the law

Did christ mention tithe again?

He did!!

The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector

“Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

What next?

Jesus christ died on the cross and sent forth the apostles to preach the word of God to the jews.

Then Came Paul.

Who is paul?

Paul is a jew (Jewish name saul), unbeliever, and persecutor of Early day christains.

Then jesus revealed himself to him, made him blind and shew him mercy.

What is paul's mission?

To preach the Gospel of Christ to the Gentiles

The Gentile are christain that were not legally bonded to abrahams promise. They are non jews

This means every Nigerian before christ were gentiles.

But were only allowed to partake of Abrahams promise after Christ's Death. Gal 3;14

So, what was paul's preaching?

That the Jews and Non-jews can inherit the kingdom of God simply by Faith (believing in Christ)

"For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

Gal 3: 27, 28

What also?

That a christ follower is no-longer justified by the works of the law (the moses laws and tithing included) But only through faith

"know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in[a] Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified"

Why did paul say this?

Peter, an apostle of Christ, visted paul and was eating with gentiles (uncircumcised followers of Christ).

Immediately some jew arrived he quickly withdrew himself not to be seen by the "born jews"

For in those days, its required that u must be circumcised.

Then paul rebuked him, saying that

know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in[a] Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified. Gal 2:16

Did paul conderm the law further?

Yes he did

He told the jews that if its compulsory to be circumcised then then they must keep the whole law (please read Deut 14)

"Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law."

Galatian 5:3
In fact, he continued and said christ death is meaningless to you if u continue in the law

"Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace."

Gal 5:4

So was the law useless then?

Before the coming of Christ the law was meant to bring the jews closer to Christ and then nolonger important (Gal 3:26 -26)

"Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith."

Is there any part of the new testament that paul mentioned tithe?

Yes, Paul himself mentioned tithe in the new testament when writing to the Hebrews

Hebrews 7: 5

And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

What was Paul talking about?

(before anyone deceives u, please read though verse 1 - 28)

This chapter completely shows u the law (including tithing) is useless and weak and has been replaced by a new covenant which is Jesus christ.

So if no tithes, how then would they pastors eat

Gal 6:6

" Nevertheless, the one who receives instruction in the word should share all good things with their instructor."

How then can u inherit God's Kingdom..

Simply by living in the spirit through faith and avoiding things of the flesh.

"Because christ death has ended the curse of the law
Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.

Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”),"Gal 3: 12, 13

So, its so simple. walk in the spirit and Get eternal life..

How?

Gal 5: 22 23

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law



[b]Finally brethren, [/b]Dont be deceived. Paul said this himself
Gal 4: 14,15

"Then we will no longer be immature like children. We won’t be tossed and blown about by every wind of new teaching. We will not be influenced when people try to trick us with lies so clever they sound like the truth. Instead, we will speak the truth in love, growing in every way more and more like Christ, who is the head of his body, the church."

https://faithfulchristian.net/bible-verses-about-paying-tithes-new-old-testament-explained/

Cc: Lalasticlala
Mynd44

good read

Did Jesus change the law ?

omokoladejames:
good read

Thanks for reading through

asuustrike1:
Did Jesus change the law ?

The law ended with christ. You are now free with liberty.

Galatian 5:1

"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery"

For all laws are now fulfilled in Love Gal 5:14


"For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself."

Finally, here is how put it in Colossians 2:13 14


"When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you[a] alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross."

hypertension:


The law ended with christ. You are now free with liberty.

Galatian 5:1

"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery"

For all laws are now fulfilled in Love Gal 5:14


"For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself."

Finally, here is how put it in Colossians 2:13 14


"When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you[a] alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross."

Does that mean we can break the ten commandments ?

asuustrike1:

Does that mean we can break the ten commandments ?

Lol...The 10 comandment is in "love ur neighbour as urself".. . Christ death ended the law

"Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith"

Now u must work in the spirit of christ Gala 5: 22 -23

verse 25 says

"Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit"

hypertension:


Lol...The 10 comandment is in "love ur neighbour as urself"..

And walking in the spirit of christ Gala 5: 22 -23

If that is the case then pay your tithe. If love God pay what is due to him not because one pastor sits to eat it. If you don't love him and you claim to serve him don't bother.

asuustrike1:

If that is the case then pay your tithe. If love God pay what is due to him not because one pastor sits to eat it. If you don't love him and you claim to serve him don't bother.

If u must pay ur tithes, then u must keep the whole law. Deut 14

Here's a summary of the laws of moses (the jews that never ever concerned you)

Here are the laws of moses to the jews

the Ten Commandments

Moral laws - on murder, theft, honesty, adultery, etc.

Social laws - on property, inheritance, marriage and divorce,

Food laws - on what is clean and unclean, on cooking and storing food.

Purity laws - on menstruation, seminal emissions, skin disease and mildew, etc.

Feasts - the Day of Atonement, Passover, Feast of Tabernacles, Feast of Unleavened Bread, Feast of Weeks etc.

Sacrifices and offerings - the sin offering, burnt offering, whole offering, heave offering, Passover sacrifice, meal offering, wave offering, peace offering, drink offering, thank offering, dough offering, incense offering, red heifer, scapegoat, first fruits, etc.
Instructions for the priesthood and the high priest including tithes.

Instructions regarding the Tabernacle, and which were later applied to the Temple in Jerusalem, including those concerning the Holy of Holies containing the Ark of the Covenant (in which were the tablets of the law, Aaron's rod, the manna). Instructions and for the construction of various altars.

Forward looking instructions for time when Israel would demand a king.

We all dont do these things again..yet we still tithe according to the law.

Please just think and reason

paul himself said Gal 5:3

"Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law."

Paying tithes is not 10 commandments my friend..well u can pay if u want..but its not christ purpose anymore

Finally, paul said, Only being a new creature can save u in christ not keeping laws Gal 6:15

"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation."

Also in Gal 5:6 he said (New International Version)

"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love."

Nice one and I love ur blog
Even if these pastors like...they should call me any name they like
I ain't paying a dime as tithes

bizz22:
Nice one and I love ur blog
Even if these pastors like...they should call me any name they like
I ain't paying a dime as tithes

While it us wrong to pay tithes u must give to ur pastor and the church..at ur own will

Here is what paul said philipians 4:10-17

" I rejoiced greatly in the Lord that at last you renewed your concern for me. Indeed, you were concerned, but you had no opportunity to show it. 11[b] I am not saying this because I am in need[/b], for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. 12 I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. 13 I can do all this through him who gives me strength.

14 Yet it was good of you to share in my troubles. 15 Moreover, as you Philippians know, in the early days of your acquaintance with the gospel, when I set out from Macedonia, not one church shared with me in the matter of giving and receiving, except you only; 16 for even when I was in Thessalonica, you sent me aid more than once when I was in need. 17 Not that I desire your gifts; what I desire is that more be credited to your account."

hypertension:


If u must pay ur tithes, then u must keep the whole law. Deut 14

paul himself said Gal 5:3

"Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law."

Paying tithes is not 10 commandments my friend..well u can pay if u want..but its not christ purpose anymore

Finally, paul said, Only being a new creature can save u in christ not keeping laws Gal 6:15

"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation."

Also in Gal 5:6 he said (New International Version)

"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love."

Paying your tithe is a command don't let those disgruntled men deceive you. God doesn't change his standard towards men.

hypertension:


Lol...The 10 comandment is in "love ur neighbour as urself".. . Christ death ended the law

"Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith"

Now u must work in the spirit of christ Gala 5: 22 -23

verse 25 says

"Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit"

Stop confusing yourself. The law was added to and not cancelled. I can't kill and then say I have faith to cover it. Read Romans chapter 2, 3.

hypertension:


While it us wrong to pay tithes u must give to ur pastor and the church..at ur own will

Here is what paul said philipians 4:10-17

" I rejoiced greatly in the Lord that at last you renewed your concern for me. Indeed, you were concerned, but you had no opportunity to show it. 11[b] I am not saying this because I am in need[/b], for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. 12 I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. 13 I can do all this through him who gives me strength.

14 Yet it was good of you to share in my troubles. 15 Moreover, as you Philippians know, in the early days of your acquaintance with the gospel, when I set out from Macedonia, not one church shared with me in the matter of giving and receiving, except you only; 16 for even when I was in Thessalonica, you sent me aid more than once when I was in need. 17 Not that I desire your gifts; what I desire is that more be credited to your account."

You are confusing tithe for pastor / prophets seed. In fact the prophets seed is why the likes of Oyedepo and Adeboye are rich and not one tithe or offering as you guys like to claim.
in the verse you quoted, Paul in fact justified the prophet's seed when he said he desires more to be credited to the payers account. It is a spiritual transaction. How can I pay out money to my pastor and say I have been credited. That's not the physical law. in the physical if I take 2,000 out of 5000 then I am left with 3000 but in the spirit realm who you give it to and how you give it to makes it an increase and not a decrease, It is a spiritual thing. It follows the give and take pattern through which men connected to the heavens all over the scripture.
Tithe is Gods commandment and not a Jesus idea. Tithe is still alive today.

the chapter in Hebrews is letting us know that men, levites, priests and high priests no longer received our tithes but Christ himself who is our high priest. the book of Hebrews has one major message (supported by several 'sub' messages), you should study it cover to cover to get the sense of it.

Simply put,

Tithe since ages and since Nigerian Christians had been paying, they have not become one of the richest or wealthiest people on the planet earth but rather their so called pastors have being ranked top ten richest in Africa......Pause for a minute and RE-Think about this!

Bottom line, tithe had never made any tithe payer rich or wealthy, it's is hardworking/deligence, God's grace on you and your work, effective use of your brain or senses or ideas to plan/management of your money so your money can work for you.....THESE ARE WHAT RICH AND WEALTHY PEOPLE DO THEY DO NOT PRAY TO BE BLESS THROUGH TITHING NEITHER DO THEY TITHE.

asuustrike1:

Does that mean we can break the ten commandments ?

You can break any of the ten commandments if you can identify any of them that is against love. I always wonder how Nigerian "Christians" are programmed. He said love has fulfilled all the law, you are asking if you could then break the law. Smh.

hypertension:


If u must pay ur tithes, then u must keep the whole law. Deut 14

paul himself said Gal 5:3

"Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law."

Paying tithes is not 10 commandments my friend..well u can pay if u want..but its not christ purpose anymore

Finally, paul said, Only being a new creature can save u in christ not keeping laws Gal 6:15

"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation."

Also in Gal 5:6 he said (New International Version)

"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love."

You are trying to undo what many years of brainwashing has done to Nigerian "Christians".

I will pay my tithe.

Originakalokalo:


I will pay my tithe.

Then stop, Rather give to The church, the poor, and help more even more than the 10 percent of tithing.

Its love now, not tithing my dear.

hypertension:


Then stop, Rather give to The church, the poor, and help more even more than the 10 percent of tithing.

Its love now, not tithing my dear.

I will pay my tithe and help the poor as my capacity can carry.


None will be left undone.

adelee777:

You can break any of the ten commandments if you can identify any of them that is against love. I always wonder how Nigerian "Christians" are programmed. He said love has fulfilled all the law, you are asking if you could then break the law. Smh.

I asked a simple question you haven't answered because you can give a good answer

sonofthunder:
the chapter in Hebrews is letting us know that men, levites, priests and high priests no longer received our tithes but Christ himself who is our high priest. the book of Hebrews has one major message (supported by several 'sub' messages), you should study it cover to cover to get the sense of it.

Thanks for letting us know this..

Sorry it did not mean christ should collect ur tithes..

Please read carefully with a doctrine free mind. Tithes are nolonger to be paid anymore because christ is the new convenant.

Verse 11, 12

"Hebrews 7:11-12 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law"

The priesthood changed and so did the law change.

Here is verse 26 27

"Hebrews 7:26-27 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself."

CodeTemplar:
Stop confusing yourself. The law was added to and not cancelled. I can't kill and then say I have faith to cover it. Read Romans chapter 2, 3.

This is the new law

You can kill, repent, and be forgiven and still inherit the kingdom of God provided u live in the spirit

its called grace my dear.

Having said that, if u love ur neighbour as your self, why then kill him

hypertension:


This is the new law

You can kill, repent, and be forgiven and still inherit the kingdom of God provided u live in the spirit

its called grace my dear.

Having said that, if u love ur neighbour as your self, why then kill him

So I can do yahoo plus and after 20 years of probably bringing misery to others I will then dedicate my life to Christ and be in line for heaven even when I had it all planned out?

That's some Ogboni doctrine man and not Christianity.

CodeTemplar:
So I can do yahoo plus and after 20 years of probably bringing misery to others I will then dedicate my life to Christ and be in line for heaven even when I had it all planned out?

That's some Ogboni doctrine man and Christianity.

So u can pay tithes and kill and be saved..

Let me get stupid with u.

please i am showing u the truth..u can keep paying tithes..its not a problem to me. i know how difficult it is to change peoples views..so i understand bro.

Ive defended the faith of tithing for too long because i never read the scriptures on my own. Now i did, i know the truth. only decided to share.

i know alot of people have flaws from tithing. I here to let them know its right not to pay but u must continie giving to the church for ur blessings not as tithe.

hypertension:


So u can pay tithes and kill and be saved..

Let me get stupid with u.

please i am showing u the truth..u can keep paying tithes..its not a problem to me. i know how difficult it is to change peoples views..so i understand bro.

Ive defended the faith of tithing for too long because i never read the scriptures on my own. Now i did, i know the truth. only decided to share.

i know alot of people have flaws from tithing. I here to let them know its right not to pay but u must continie giving to the church for ur blessings not as tithe.

You have to understand these tithe payers are deep in religious and Judaism more than you can imagine until you start talking with them. There is a massive misinformed and miss interpretation of scripture by the religious leaders teaching on the pulpit.

Tell them to stone a rebellious child of theirs to death, they will tell u we're in the new testament but their is nowhere the Apostles taught tithe in the new testament either...they will continue to argue you down.

I'll tell you what.... CULTURE, TRADITION AND ERROR IS ONE PLAGUE to get rid of from those that had eaten deep into it. Because of pride, people can't let go their errors, culture and tradition....trust me....we have to continue the fight!

CodeTemplar:
You are confusing tithe for pastor / prophets seed. In fact the prophets seed is why the likes of Oyedepo and Adeboye are rich and not one tithe or offering as you guys like to claim.
in the verse you quoted, Paul in fact justified the prophet's seed when he said he desires more to be credited to the payers account. It is a spiritual transaction. How can I pay out money to my pastor and say I have been credited. That's not the physical law. in the physical if I take 2,000 out of 5000 then I am left with 3000 but in the spirit realm who you give it to and how you give it to makes it an increase and not a decrease, It is a spiritual thing. It follows the give and take pattern through which men connected to the heavens all over the scripture.
Tithe is Gods commandment and not a Jesus idea. Tithe is still alive today.

Thanks for the time. That verse was surely because they on thier own decided to give to paul..other churches did not vs 15

He was not talking about tithes here too. if not the other churches would have been compelled to pay.

He did not request that they do. But they did on thier own and he prays for their reward from God.

My point was he did not act like these pastors we see around. Requesting money every day..

Surely, when u give to men of God, you will be blessed. Im only against compulsory tithing not free giving to ur pastor through love thereby demonstrating ur love in God.



Paul was a man of God and contented.

hypertension:


Thanks for the time. That verse was surely because they on thier own decided to give to paul..other churches did not vs 15

He was not talking about tithes here too. if not the other churches would have been compelled to pay.

He did not request that they do. But they did on thier own and he prays for their reward from God.

My point was he did not act like these pastors we see around. Requesting money every day..

Surely, when u give to men of God, you will be blessed. Im only against compulsory tithing not free giving to ur pastor through love thereby demonstrating ur love in God.



Paul was a man of God and contented.

Tithe is alive. Plus I never said or implied Paul was talking about tithe in the said scripture.

God bless you op

Tithing Predate the law, it's a Kingdom Practice. That men abuse it does not mean it should be annulled. Even the then sacrifice was abused by the priest then.

asuustrike1:

I asked a simple question you haven't answered because you can give a good answer

Here are the laws of moses to the jews

the Ten Commandments

Moral laws - on murder, theft, honesty, adultery, etc.

Social laws - on property, inheritance, marriage and divorce,

Food laws - on what is clean and unclean, on cooking and storing food.

Purity laws - on menstruation, seminal emissions, skin disease and mildew, etc.

Feasts - the Day of Atonement, Passover, Feast of Tabernacles, Feast of Unleavened Bread, Feast of Weeks etc.

Sacrifices and offerings - the sin offering, burnt offering, whole offering, heave offering, Passover sacrifice, meal offering, wave offering, peace offering, drink offering, thank offering, dough offering, incense offering, red heifer, scapegoat, first fruits, etc.
Instructions for the priesthood and the high priest including tithes.

Instructions regarding the Tabernacle, and which were later applied to the Temple in Jerusalem, including those concerning the Holy of Holies containing the Ark of the Covenant (in which were the tablets of the law, Aaron's rod, the manna). Instructions and for the construction of various altars.

Forward looking instructions for time when Israel would demand a king.

We all dont do these things again..yet we still tithe according to the law.

Please just think and reason.