budaatum:
The number of illegal border crossings is down from 1.6 million in 2000 to fewer than 400,000 last year.

And research indicates that undocumented immigrants are much less likely to commit crime than native-born American citizens.

On Friday, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said nearly 4,000 known or suspected terrorists had been caught attempting to cross the US-Mexico border last year.

US media later said the 4,000 was for 2017, not 2018, and included stops made by Department of Homeland Security officials around the world, mostly at airports.

The head of the DHS told MSNBC that only six immigrants on a federal watch list were stopped on the southern border in the first half of 2018.

like i tried to tell some conservatives earlier, numbers hardly lie. When a liberal argues for border security, I know the motives involved are straight forward so i don't contest their postulations, but when a conservative argues for border security, their motive(s) are anything but simple and plain old racism is almost always in the mix somewhere

REPUBLICANS! FACTS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR RACIST AGENDA!
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Fox news! Almost 4,000 attempted entries by people on the terror watch list from the southern border!? Seriously? As against about 2,500 of which 2,170 came through airports and seaports!! See why i debate border control as a Republican agenda eh? anduku, raumdeuter! See why i say their motives are always dishonest?

Women and children at our southern border aren't a security threat! They're a humanitarian challenge!

BraniacX:
REPUBLICANS! FACTS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR RACIST AGENDA!
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Fox news! Almost 4,000 attempted entries by people on the terror watch list from the southern border!? Seriously? As against about 2,500 of which 2,170 came through airports and seaports!! See why i debate border control as a Republican agenda eh? anduku, raumdeuter! See why i say their motives are always dishonest?

Women and children at our southern border aren't a security threat! They're a humanitarian challenge!

Nancy pelosi

@Bolded, Unfortunately they are trafficked at the border, used as a pawn or camourflage to gain easy entry, in the process many die, are raped and molested.

Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
President Trump walked out of a White House meeting with congressional leaders Wednesday afternoon over the partial government shutdown after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi again rejected supporting new funding for a border wall, according to those in the meeting.
The President, in a tweet, called the meeting “a total waste of time”

“I asked what is going to happen in 30 days if I quickly open things up, are you going to approve Border Security which includes a Wall or Steel Barrier? Nancy said, NO. I said bye-bye, nothing else works!” Trump tweeted
President Trump had said he might declare a national emergency and try to authorize the wall on his own if Congress won't approve the $5.7 billion he's asking.

obixcel:
@Bolded, Unfortunately they are trafficked at the border, used as a pawn or camourflage to gain easy entry, in the process many die, are raped and molested.

oh! So it is no longer about the threat of terrorism or "security threat" in broad? OK, let's roll with your excuse(s).....


1. So they are trafficked exclusively at the border right? Not before? Not after? You need to properly define the scope of this trafficking you talk about if we are to fact check your claim!


2. On being used as pawns to gain easy access or camouflage, by whom again? I thought apart from minors, processing asylum applications is a unit or individual based and/or nuclear family based? Or you mean to tell me that men pretend to be sons or fathers or husbands of these women and children to gain entry and that is difficult to verify at the border with simple things like say.........old family photos, basic social media entries over time, hospital, schools, insurance, tax records e.t.c? Sorry i have to be basic and simplistic, I'm driving towards a point here

3. And if maybe, just maybe you are correct and that's the basis for seeking asylum, where will they get better protection? South or north of the border? Shouldn't protecting them from these. traffickers be a reason (say maybe, humanitarian ) to grant them asylum?

Recall, men can and also are in many cases, victims of many crimes including trafficking, but we are working with your premise that the women and children are victims exclusively while the men are all potential criminals! Right? even though many of them flee from their countries for economic reasons which in your opinion i believe is an invalid reason to emigrate

obixcel:
Trump walks out of border security meeting after Pelosi rejects wall pitch
President Trump walked out of a White House meeting with congressional leaders Wednesday afternoon over the partial government shutdown after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi again rejected supporting new funding for a border wall, according to those in the meeting.
The President, in a tweet, called the meeting “a total waste of time”

“I asked what is going to happen in 30 days if I quickly open things up, are you going to approve Border Security which includes a Wall or Steel Barrier? Nancy said, NO. I said bye-bye, nothing else works!” Trump tweeted
President Trump had said he might declare a national emergency and try to authorize the wall on his own if Congress won't approve the $5.7 billion he's asking.

You realize that the proposals put before trump to reopen the government are bipartisan right? Bipartisan as in equally backed by house republicans!
You realize that many federal workers who to start with are low income earners are going to miss their first pay cheque and many essential services workers are calling in sick for this reason!
You realize that many analysts have concluded that the border fence proposal is actually a very ineffective way to stop border cross migration right?
You realize that before the government shut down, polls among federal workers showed that about 70% of them opposed and were against trump's border wall right?
You realize that with government shut down and no pay, that statistic is likely going to increase and trump's claim of support from federal workers is just that!......another trump lie! Right?
You realize that SNAP only has about $3.8billion in its emergency reserves and that wouldn't be enough to provide food stamps till the end of January and poor, white, rural and poorly educated people are the biggest recipients of food stamps, not black people contrary to wrongly held popular opinion propagated by conservative media and this is trumps core support base facing the threat of hunger!
You realize that trump is just holding an entire nation to ransom over his ego trip right? Especially when mexico is paying for the wall

You also realize that not too far of from now, 36 senate seats are up for reelection of which 24 are Republican held and a number of them in purple states and those senators wouldn't want to be seen as aiding a bullying president against the popular will of the American people!

https://www.facebook.com/210277954204/posts/10156226590364205/
Obama on immigration in 2014, watch and compare to trump, listen to a common sense proposal for border security and note who opposed it, I hope it contains everything/goal you hoped to achieve on border security/illegal immigrants, everything except a wall and not starting illegal immigrants on the process to legalization
Cc: anduku, obixcel, raumdeuter and others

The Liberal Media's new word when denying the crisis at the Border. They now accuse President Trump of "manufacturing a border crisis" to gain political point. Notice nearly all of the MSM are repeating the same phrases and talking points?

BraniacX:



You realize that many analysts have concluded that the border fence proposal is actually a very ineffective way to stop border cross migration right?

Glad I watched the live interview with border patrol in which they agreed that a physical barrier (wall or fence) will actually provide some assistance in securing the border. I'll take what a border patrol guard says over a New York Time analyst siting in his office with his thumb up his ass.

obixcel:
The Liberal Media's new word when denying the crisis at the Border. They now accuse President Trump of "manufacturing a border crisis" to gain political point. Notice nearly all of the MSM are repeating the same phrases and talking points?

It's not MSM only. I happen to think so too, and while you might want to believe I was washed to think so, I can assure you that I have no hair and came to my own conclusion having considered data from very wide a field.

In fact, I'm tethering on the brink of thinking this wall is not planned to keep people out but to keep Americans locked in, maybe one day if the fan hits poo, though, it being off the edge of a conspiracy, I'm not telling anyone so they don't think I'm manufacturing!

So, for now Trump! You are a lying scaremonger.

But didn't Trump say Mexico will pay for the wall? Why is he now disturbing Congress for funding? This una Baba Suwe president ehn I just tire

BraniacX:


You realize that the proposals put before trump to reopen the government are bipartisan right? Bipartisan as in equally backed by house republicans!
You realize that many federal workers who to start with are low income earners are going to miss their first pay cheque and many essential services workers are calling in sick for this reason!
You realize that many analysts have concluded that the border fence proposal is actually a very ineffective way to stop border cross migration right?
You realize that before the government shut down, polls among federal workers showed that about 70% of them opposed and were against trump's border wall right?
You realize that with government shut down and no pay, that statistic is likely going to increase and trump's claim of support from federal workers is just that!......another trump lie! Right?
You realize that SNAP only has about $3.8billion in its emergency reserves and that wouldn't be enough to provide food stamps till the end of January and poor, white, rural and poorly educated people are the biggest recipients of food stamps, not black people contrary to wrongly held popular opinion propagated by conservative media and this is trumps core support base facing the threat of hunger!
You realize that trump is just holding an entire nation to ransom over his ego trip right? Especially when mexico is paying for the wall

You also realize that not too far of from now, 36 senate seats are up for reelection of which 24 are Republican held and a number of them in purple states and those senators wouldn't want to be seen as aiding a bullying president against the popular will of the American people!

And do you also realize that this so called legislation doesn't fund the wall?
And did you say "Bipartisan? "
Fact Check: Only 5 Republicans in the House supported it, whereas there are 238 Republicans in the House, which means we're talking about just 1/48th of the caucus. Does that look Bipartisan to you?

budaatum:

It's not MSM only. I happen to think so too, and while you might want to believe I was washed to think so, I can assure you that I have no hair and came to my own conclusion having considered data from very wide a field.

In fact, I'm tethering on the brink of thinking this wall is not planned to keep people out but to keep Americans locked in, maybe one day if the fan hits poo, though, it being off the edge of a conspiracy, I'm not telling anyone so they don't think I'm manufacturing!

So, for now Trump! You are a lying scaremonger.

Lol...so what happened to the Caravan myth? Did you also go along with the MSM's "the caravan was thousands of miles away and were not coming?" OR was that manufactured? I'm so sorry but you are in delusion

A40:
But didn't Trump say Mexico will pay for the wall? Why is he now disturbing Congress for funding? This una Baba Suwe president ehn I just tire

Its called the USMCA

Admin401:
Glad I watched the live interview with border patrol in which they agreed that a physical barrier (wall or fence) will actually provide some assistance in securing the border. I'll take what a border patrol guard says over a New York Time analyst siting in his office with his thumb up his ass.

When the wall is constructed and secured, illegal crossings will in itself drop by at least 90%.

obixcel:
When the wall is constructed and secured, illegal crossings will in itself drop by at least 90%.

Baba, that one na common sense na. I just don't understand their obsession with illegal immigrants. If I suffer to enter US legally, and then I see person wey enter with little or no effort, e go pain me ohh.

obixcel:
Its called the USMCA

But he sounded so sure Mexico would pay. What changed?

obixcel:
Lol...so what happened to the Caravan myth? Did you also go along with the MSM's "the caravan was thousands of miles away and were not coming?" OR was that manufactured? I'm so sorry but you are in delusion

Trump gives the impression the Caravans were gun carrying mobs rushing to America to kill you and steal your food, when all they were after was shelter and safety.

Is your America really that stingy?

obixcel:
Its called the USMCA

Balderdash..

budaatum:

Trump gives the impression the Caravans were gun carrying mobs rushing to America to kill you and steal your food, when all they were after was shelter and safety.

Is your America really that stingy?

That thing have not seen the interior of an airplane all his miserable life.

Check out @ellievan65’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/ellievan65/status/1083023609797505029?s=09

President fraud on the scaming spree.

Admin401:
Glad I watched the live interview with border patrol in which they agreed that a physical barrier (wall or fence) will actually provide some assistance in securing the border. I'll take what a border patrol guard says over a New York Time analyst siting in his office with his thumb up his ass.

But trump also agreed and preached in 2004 that a wall should not stop a determined person.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ID2bU7sAJA

wirinet:


But trump also agreed and preached in 2004 that a wall should not stop a determined person.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ID2bU7sAJA

True. Which is why they should have built a watch tower instead of a wall or a fence.

budaatum:

Trump gives the impression the Caravans were gun carrying mobs rushing to America to kill you and steal your food, when all they were after was shelter and safety.

Is your America really that stingy?

Many of them were coming with Flags - and waving it too(which doesn't give a positive impression other than "it's our right to storm your country and you ain't gonna stop us" The appropriate word for this is none other than INVASION so you can't blame Trump for raising the alarm even though the MSM downplayed the circumstance. At last the truth overtook the lie
Infact (I know we are Adults but permit me) let me give you a Kindergarten illustrative summary of how Trump vs the MSM plays out most of the time.
If we have a Big letter A and
And President Trump says that is Big letter A
Believe me, Mainstream media will say No! That is Small letter a

A40:
But he sounded so sure Mexico would pay. What changed?

Common sense will scream at you that In d real world we live in there was no way Mexico would write a cheque and hand it over to Trump just like that. If Mexico did that even me myself will call them foolish and senseless. It was the indirect method of payment like reimbursement he was referring to. The wall will pay for itself.

Admin401:
Glad I watched the live interview with border patrol in which they agreed that a physical barrier (wall or fence) will actually provide some assistance in securing the border. I'll take what a border patrol guard says over a New York Time analyst siting in his office with his thumb up his ass.

You watched what interview with which border patrol? Brossss! This na 2019! Sofree dey invoke the spirit of lai M.

obixcel:
And do you also realize that this so called legislation doesn't fund the wall?
And did you say "Bipartisan? "
Fact Check: Only 5 Republicans in the House supported it, whereas there are 238 Republicans in the House, which means we're talking about just 1/48th of the caucus. Does that look Bipartisan to you?

The legislation funds the DHS or is Trump's advocacy for them just another smokescreen? Or doesn't the DHS exist without the wall? How skewered can your illogical logic be as a conservative? And whoever said a dime was going to be paid for the wall? Do the American taxpayer's representatives look like Mexicans to you conservatives?

Yes you know your fractions very well, 1/48th, those from purple states facing reelection not too far of with something to loose or maybe those with empathy for federal workers

I asked you other questions besides, care to respond to those? I posted a link of Obama's address on immigration in 2014 rejected by the Republican house, did you watch it? Any comment on the apparent hypocrisy of your stands today?

obixcel:
Lol...so what happened to the Caravan myth? Did you also go along with the MSM's "the caravan was thousands of miles away and were not coming?" OR was that manufactured? I'm so sorry but you are in delusion

the alien caravan of fearsome green humanoids that came from mars to invade planet America were hundreds of miles away at some point then at the border at another point the difference between these two points being time which is something i would expect even an Appalachian Republican to appreciate! Nof said on that, the question now is, where's the hostile invasion the fear mongering dotard told us to expect?

obixcel:
Its called the USMCA

here we go! Oga, it hasn't been ratified! So what phantom dollars are you getting from it? even if it were ratified, where's your proof to show that the US is getting a penny extra in trade as compared to the previously existing trilateral pact with Canada?
Oga don't regurgitate anything trump says, he's known to lie habitually and pull out claims from his arse when cornered! If you regurgitate his lies, you begin to sound like him and we begin to regard you as dumb and stupid as him! sorry its just inevitable! You can be a conservative and still "conservatize" with sense behave like your other guy and tackle only issues where the hypocrisy won't stink too much

obixcel:
Many of them were coming with Flags - and waving it too(which doesn't give a positive impression other than "it's our right to storm your country and you ain't gonna stop us" The appropriate word for this is none other than INVASION so you can't blame Trump for raising the alarm even though the MSM downplayed the circumstance. At last the truth overtook the lie
Infact (I know we are Adults but permit me) let me give you a Kindergarten illustrative summary of how Trump vs the MSM plays out most of the time.
If we have a Big letter A and
And President Trump says that is Big letter A
Believe me, Mainstream media will say No! That is Small letter a

I am very not concerned about your MSM. You wouldn't after all call Breitbart, which I love, to be part of them. And waving flags by a group that includes women, children and babies, is hardly an "invasion" "storming" your country now, or is it?

A government that behaves as Trump does is the sort who becomes a tyrant, and I understand now why America has to have a gun ammendment to protect oneself from such governments! If women, children and babies is storming and invading to you, I wonder what you'd do if you were Syria, Yemen or France!

https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/1083514836733046784?s=19

Gold stand can't be more than this.