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| Re: Constitution Says Erring Judges Must Be Investigated By NJC Only — Afe Babalola by pally123: 8:33am On Jan 14, 2019 |
Shikini:Bros, in my entire life, I have never seen anything close to this. Even people who are supposed to be very educated, are hailing and applauding a primary cert holder, which in itself, is not wrong. What is wrong however, is their following him blindly in spite of his cluelesness and nepotistic tendencies. If there is anything like jazz, then this is it |
| Re: Constitution Says Erring Judges Must Be Investigated By NJC Only — Afe Babalola by pryme(m): 8:34am On Jan 14, 2019 |
lexy2014:Ganduje is a sitting governor that means he enjoys immunity, that means even if he commits a crime he has immunity, but how ever if a judge commits a crime he will be arrested and investigate, why? The need for evidence, it's the evidence that even the NJC will ask for to kick them into making investigations, which can lead to the prosecution and arrest of the judge, this is were I said there are some exceptions in due process. However if you like present evidence as big as a house against a sitting governor, you won't get him arrested, until he leaves office. |
| Re: Constitution Says Erring Judges Must Be Investigated By NJC Only — Afe Babalola by Kusetic(m): 8:55am On Jan 14, 2019 |
lexy2014:My bad, apparently there were petitions that requested she resign as a result of the scandal and She did that. Stop deflecting though, fayose was investigated while he was in office but he wasn't prosecuted, in this situation the CJN can be prosecuted if he is found wanting. Or are you saying that he is above the law because he is the CJN? Don't bring up anymore what about this or that, just say if you believe he shouldn't be prosecuted for falsely declaring assets which is the petition filed against him and he has admitted to. |
| Re: Constitution Says Erring Judges Must Be Investigated By NJC Only — Afe Babalola by lexy2014: 8:58am On Jan 14, 2019 |
pryme:If u read what I wrote earlier u will c where I said "despite d fact that judicial officers don't enjoy immunity, d constitution clearly states how they should b handled if they run foul of d law in d discharge of their duties as judicial officers. This is 2 ensure separation of powers& guarantee d independence of d judiciary." D key here should b d principle of separation of powers which d constitution seeks 2 promote. Also take note of where I said "if they run foul of d law in d discharge of their duties as judicial officers." So if d DSS is sent like it was sent 2 arrest judges in PH cos d executive felt they weren't doing their jobs well, that is a breach of d constitution. There's no exception 2 due process that can justify that. Its that simple. 4d fact that u say "there are exceptions 2 due process", means u are saying d constitution should b breached or overlooked by d executive when it so feels. That's y I asked u, where in d constitution do u have where it says " there are exceptions to due process?" If u can show me, I rest my case. Again, I also told u immunity against prosecution 4a sitting governor is "due process". So if u say "there are exceptions to due process", that means d executive thru its agencies can prosecute a sitting governor. If it is d NJC that is instigating an investigation into its judges or doing it based on a petition& calling 4 their arrests, that isn't an exception 2 due process. It is due process. |
| Re: Constitution Says Erring Judges Must Be Investigated By NJC Only — Afe Babalola by adanny01(m): 8:59am On Jan 14, 2019 |
Shikini:Same constitution under the CCB act says "16. Allegation of breach of provisions of this Act Any complaint that a public officer has committed a breach of or has not complied with the provisions of this Act shall be made to the Bureau." The way Nigeria is going, makes me alarmed. Agreed, he is partly right in saying there is a laid down procedure in removing the CJN. The question i put to him is, has the CJN being removed? Is it wrong to ask the CJN in the interest of the Judiciary to step aside? The matter of sit tight in office no matter what is one of the things morally killing Nigeria. Morally, the CJN ought to have resigned by now in a sane world but nothing is sane here. Am not holding forth for the FG especially if these allegations are just a ruse to get him out of office. Only the CCT can decide so let the court do its job. |
| Re: Constitution Says Erring Judges Must Be Investigated By NJC Only — Afe Babalola by Born2Breed(f): 9:09am On Jan 14, 2019 |
The chief justice should disregard the arraignment. Let the petioners write the appropriate authority that has the jurisdiction of arraigning the CJ. All courts in the federation must go on strike to send a message to the executive that they are not the only arm of government. This is tyranny in disguise. |
| Re: Constitution Says Erring Judges Must Be Investigated By NJC Only — Afe Babalola by lexy2014: 9:17am On Jan 14, 2019 |
Kusetic:Can u pls show me or tell me how am deflecting? If u can do that, I would b most glad. Going by ur line of thought that it is petition that instigates prosecution, how come kemi wasn't eventually prosecuted since we are now in agreement that petitions were written against her? Y shouldn't I "bring up any more about this or that?" If u feel my "this or that" is wrong or u don't agree with it, counter it with ur facts. U can't tell me what I should say or not say. If u followed my posts, am sure u would gotten a better understanding of d point I was making. D fact that d CJN can b prosecuted isn't in doubt. D question is how. That is what Afe Babalola was trying to clarify |
| Re: Constitution Says Erring Judges Must Be Investigated By NJC Only — Afe Babalola by adanny01(m): 9:18am On Jan 14, 2019 |
nawebco:3 gbosa for you. Gbosa! Gbosa!! Gbosa!!! When will Nigerians, learned and non learned choose the right and moral issues over partisanship. What ever national issue we have, 95% of Nigerians will tow the partisan line. If this CJN after admitting his guilt doesnot resign, while having the support of some Nigerians not to, we are damaging our own institutions by ourselves. |
| Re: Constitution Says Erring Judges Must Be Investigated By NJC Only — Afe Babalola by adanny01(m): 9:27am On Jan 14, 2019 |
ehissi:And who is going to preside over the votes? First and foremost, being the accused, he is morally not supposed to vote. Secondly, he cannot preside over voting over his own case. If it were another member of the NJC, that member will be excused from that meeting that will decide his case. Can the chairman in this case be excused? No. It is the chairman that should morally excuse himself in the interest of the institution. |
| Re: Constitution Says Erring Judges Must Be Investigated By NJC Only — Afe Babalola by adanny01(m): 9:36am On Jan 14, 2019 |
pryme:Tell me where we are headed as a country. Your very own teacher who refined your common sense with logical sense is now exhibiting total "lack of sense" or better still "total disregard for common sense". It hurts me that SANs and doing this to us. Naija i hail thee. |
| Re: Constitution Says Erring Judges Must Be Investigated By NJC Only — Afe Babalola by adanny01(m): 9:37am On Jan 14, 2019 |
swazy85:This is how a typical Nigerian behaves. |
| Re: Constitution Says Erring Judges Must Be Investigated By NJC Only — Afe Babalola by Kusetic(m): 9:50am On Jan 14, 2019 |
lexy2014:Yeah you keep bringing up ganduje and kemi Adeosun, those situations are different to this and would only lead to rhetorics. The CJN is to be arraigned before the CCT, there he can now move for his case to be tried by the NJC if he can prove without a doubt that it is unconstitutional for him to be tried by the CCB. And just because afe babalola and falana give their own interpretation of the Constitution for this scenario doesn't mean the state cannot interpret it another way. Walter Onnoghen himself hasn't made such statements so why are people crying more than the bereaved. Let him defend himself. |
| Re: Constitution Says Erring Judges Must Be Investigated By NJC Only — Afe Babalola by lexy2014: 10:14am On Jan 14, 2019 |
Kusetic:What's wrong in bringing up kemi& Ganduje cases? Are they not also corruption cases? If u go 2d court of law, don't lawyers make references? Were do people not make references 2 buttress their points? . This is ur post: "People are not just handed over to the EFCC and the CCB, petitions are filed against them with proofs of misconduct, then these commissions act on the petitions. That's what has been done in this case against the CJN, but Nigerians talk behind these people and expect them to be magically transported into jail cells. Even Buhari can't do that." Based on d above, when petitions are filed, then prosecution begins. So its very much in order 2 ask y was kemi not prosecuted when petitions were filed against her with proof of misconduct? If it is being done 2d CJN who d president doesn't have powers 2 prosecute, y didn't he do it 2 kemi who he had powers 2 prosecute? U need 2 ask these questions so as 2 assess intent. D constitution doesn't allow 4d CJN 2b tried at d CCT b4 he is then tried by d NJC. Its d other way around. D NJC first and if d offence warrants a hearing at d CCT, d NJC will so direct. What does d constitution say about this matter? Is it in line with what falana& Babalola said or is it in line with what d FG said? So if u can prove that Babalola & Falana are wrong based on d constitution, please prove it. Also, its not d job of d executive to interpret d constitution. It is d job of d judiciary. Babalola & Falana are part of d judiciary. D constitution as far as this issue is concerned is very explicit that's y onnoghen doesn't need to talk. d constitution is speaking 4 itself. |
| Re: Constitution Says Erring Judges Must Be Investigated By NJC Only — Afe Babalola by wirinet(m): 10:15am On Jan 14, 2019 |
lexy2014:The bonded is the key phrase. Can failure to correctly declare asset before or after assuming the position of chief justice be seen as of discharge of duty as a judicial officer. In the Nigerian constitution, the immunity granted governors is clear and not subject to any other interpretation, so no due process can be waived. In the case of judicial and legislative members, including their heads, immunity is not explicitly given, it is only implied under certain conditions, so it is subject to various interpretations. |
| Re: Constitution Says Erring Judges Must Be Investigated By NJC Only — Afe Babalola by lexy2014: 10:20am On Jan 14, 2019 |
wirinet:Y did d CJN declare his assets? Did he do it cos he is Walter onnoghen or because he is d CJN? Is there anywhere I told u that due process can b waived 4 sitting governors as far as immunity from prosecution is concerned? |
| Re: Constitution Says Erring Judges Must Be Investigated By NJC Only — Afe Babalola by ehissi(m): 11:48am On Jan 14, 2019 |
adanny01:Bros When the chairman of the NJC in the person of the CJN is under review he is by proper conduct not to participate in judicial review nor vote over his review, vice chairman takes over. He will simply absent himself from such sitting and not resign all together. That is the standard. Nevertheless, that is not an excuse to accuse and arraign the head of the third arm of the Nigerian government, the judiciary in less than 72hrs. For crying loud, when was he accused, investigated and arraigned for prosecution? The only Chief Justice of the Nigeria Supreme court that the south has produced since 1987, is treated like a motor park tout. For your information, police is under the Judiciary as an arm of government. The law says he must be exonerated or dismissed based on review/recommendations made by NJC, why will any government start doing all this rubbish. And they chose to use Justice Danladi, who went to the former Comptroller general of customs to demand #100million Naira bribe under Jonathan administration to try him. Danladi used restraining order to push away EFCC till date. It was when they wanted to get saraki in CCT, that EFCC came all of a sudden and claimed that Danladi has been cleared of all charges when the former CG of customs presented proof to the same EFCC of his demand for bribe and is still insisting that Danladi came to ask for 100million Naira bribe or he will have him charged to his court. It was when they charged Former customs boss to his court, that CG went to a highe court to get an order to assign another judge since he cannot be sitting in a court, receiving judgement from a justice who has a penchant for blackmailing public office holders...... ![]() |
| Re: Constitution Says Erring Judges Must Be Investigated By NJC Only — Afe Babalola by adanny01(m): 1:18pm On Jan 14, 2019 |
ehissi:You made sense with the bolded which i agree with you but would rather disregard all you wrote thereafter. In my opinion, the constitution is the problem and we have been exposing all the loopholes in the constitution without plugging them. Since you are conversant with the law, i wish to ask you, can the CCT try a serving president? Am sure your answer is no, why, He (VP and governors inclusive) enjoy immunity by the constitution. Meanwhile, the NJC law says NJC has powers to: (g) appoint, dismiss and exercise disciplinary control over members and staff of the Council; Am not a lawyer but the law has a flaw of not specifically limiting this law to the issues of their duties as justices. One person made an observation that if the CJN or any other member of the council shoots and kill anyone in front of witness. Is it the NJC that will exercise diciplinary control over that member even before the police file criminal charges? As far as am concerned, the CCB has power over all public officers and even the president. No law (even the immunity the president ) overcomes that of the CCB. |
| Re: Constitution Says Erring Judges Must Be Investigated By NJC Only — Afe Babalola by DK2daworld: 1:24pm On Jan 14, 2019 |
pryme:What if! What if!! You just based your argument on assumption |
| Re: Constitution Says Erring Judges Must Be Investigated By NJC Only — Afe Babalola by budaatum: 1:46pm On Jan 14, 2019 |
Shikini:Is our highly esteemed Afe Babalola San, correct in his summation? Section 292 (1)(a)(i) and 292 (1)(b) of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria 1999 (As Amended) 292. (1) A judicial officer shall not be removed from his office or appointment before his age of retirement except in the following circumstances - (a) in the case of - (i) Chief Justice of Nigeria, President of the Court of Appeal, Chief Judge of the Federal High Court, Chief Judge of the High Court of the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja, Grand Kadi of the Sharia Court of Appeal of the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja and President, Customary Court of Appeal of the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja, by the President acting on an address supported by two-thirds majority of the Senate. (ii) Chief Judge of a State, Grand Kadi of a Sharia Court of Appeal or President of a Customary Court of Appeal of a State, by the Governor acting on an address supported by two-thirds majority of the House of Assembly of the State, Praying that he be so removed for his inability to discharge the functions of his office or appointment (whether arising from infirmity of mind or of body) or for misconduct or contravention of the Code of Conduct; (b) in any case, other than those to which paragraph (a) of this subsection applies, by the President or, as the case may be, the Governor acting on the recommendation of the National Judicial Council that the judicial officer be so removed for his inability to discharge the functions of his office or appointment (whether arising from infirmity of mind or of body) or for misconduct or contravention of the Code of Conduct. (2) Any person who has held office as a judicial officer shall not on ceasing to be a judicial officer for any reason whatsoever thereafter appear or act as a legal practitioner before any court of law or tribunal in Nigeria. |
| Re: Constitution Says Erring Judges Must Be Investigated By NJC Only — Afe Babalola by ehissi(m): 2:45pm On Jan 14, 2019 |
adanny01:False........This is the opinion the APC led government shares when they want to interpret the law to suit their political inactions. First of all, the CCT can't try the President and can't even try the CJN. The reason is clear, whatever comes out of this trial is a mere suggestion, one injunction from a high court will set aside the entire judgement like pampers whey baby shiit put, that is why Falana rightly judged it as a misadventure. It's like the nonsense Justice Abang did, when he nullified Ikpeazu's mandate as governor of abia state, on the stupid basis that he forged tax clearance. No recourse to Abia inland revenue service or abia state government who was his employer, you just sat down in your court and entertained a suit from an ordinary citizen on a criminal case and decided that it is fake, is it not the job of the state to prosecute such cases? Is it the job of a civil servant to prepare tax clearance or the employer - in this case a government agency - that pays the tax and collect clearance of behalf of the employee? By time the appeal court received that case eh, they tore the judgement apart, small thing they would have accused Justice Abang of collecting bribe. Judgement that a 100level law student cannot even recommend, a whole high court judge through interpretation stood the law and justice on its head. Shameful The only challenge is that the move to justice is a slow marathon and not a sprint, hence APC led FG have the effontry to bring it, knowing that even if the real trial fails, the media trial may succeed and cast a shadow on Justice Onnoghen, by the time the case is closed, some other national issues will distract Nigerians from this charade. Justice Danladi doesn't have jurisdiction and will be stupid to release any judgement whatsoever, he will simply adjourn judgement delivery and dismiss the case like he did Saraki's case. He will just play around with it and throw it out much later. You dey here abang name anywhere? When you start delivering judgements coloured with bias, you will find yourself gradually losing a grip on your career as a judge. That's the truth. Except you are dealing with a person who is just anti-establishment in political ideology or posture, no soud lawyer or jurist will applaud this nonsense. And I say it again, CCT cannot try CJN neither can it try any executive. Only 2/3 vote in parliament of competent jurisdiction can take out an executive. If CCT releases a judgement, the best it can do is to communicate it to state of federal parliament. They will debate its merit and then impeach the executive, only then can the judgement apply, if not, the judgement is not worth the paper it is written on. CJN is way out of CCT's league, watch, observe and learn |
| Re: Constitution Says Erring Judges Must Be Investigated By NJC Only — Afe Babalola by adanny01(m): 5:13pm On Jan 14, 2019 |
ehissi:Some of you like talking gibberish and assuming everyone is as partisan as yourself. Just like NASS budget functions as prescribed in the constitution has overstretched to beyond their responsibility such that they interfere with day to day executive matters, so is the Judiciary claiming immunity through the backyard. While the NJC law is meant for Judicial matters while CCB is for all public officers. Which one supercedes. The Judiciary is claiming this law protects them from the police, EFCC, ICPC and other independent courts such as the CCT. Just like the Judiciary is independent, CCT is also independent of all the 3 arms of government. The constitution places all public officers under the CCB. From the President to the local government cleaner.
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