tintingz:
FSM is all powerful!!

For us to establish an objective reality logic is needed or you will just be believing in fairytales, do you know why different religions believe in different fairytale? Because they suspend logic!

What sign?

What a fallacy. You're appealing to ignorance!

LMAO! Irony.

Stephen Hawkin never believed in God even during his disability he still didn't believe in God, he's more active, grant interviews and write more books till he died. He didn't pray to God to survive that much of years.

Kindly go read about him instead of this ignorance you're displaying.

Lol, appealing to ignorance.

Let's me tell why God of the gaps is problematic, so let's assume you fill your ignorance a.k.a gap with your God, let's assume we don't know why we yawn, forward to the future science now know why we yawn and the gap close, what then will be your God? Diminished?

Did you just ask this?

Argument from ignorance.

Argument from ignorance.

Lol, bad biology.

Nice mythology.

aadoiza:

I'm sure you wouldn't at this if you were there when the Arab warrior and the carpenter were been hunted by their very own.

Anyone could write any rubbish with the advantage of hindsight, nothing special.

Rashduct4luv:



Alhamdulillah, Anything you cant explain with your logic is "argument from ignorance" right? Fine agreed i am ignorant cos you know some and you don't know much! No man is an Island of Knowledge. But until you can logically explain all those phenomenon listed above then you remain the greatest fool (as Atheism is foolishness) here!

tintingz:
Is this an atheistic position?

You believe in God, where did God created everything from?

Rilwayne001:
Atheism is simply foolishness. As much as it is illogical to assume that a motor car cannot come into existence by itself, it is so illogical to assume nothing is behind all that exist. Even having to doubt the existence of the brain behind all that exist is illogical.

There's always something behind nothing. And the first cause is the definition of existence itself.

BeansAndBread:
You don't get to ask this question, we believe God created everything, that's enough. You say he didn't, so you're the one to give us how everything came to being using scientific method.

You asking us this question is just like we all know Google was created by an intelligent being, and then you say we should start explaining the steps, algorithm, programming, testing, etc that involves the creation of google. Of course we can't possibly list everything, so if according to you Google isn't created by an intelligent being, the onus is on you to show us how it was created step by step since you negated.

BeansAndBread:
They shout science science science, but all they do is speculative science which is a pure BELIEF. There's no difference between these atheists and theists, they believe whatever scientists tell them. Whenever the scientist change mouth, they follow suit like robots. No substance!

I was banned in one Igbo Muslim thread, Igbo Muslims Amaka Igbo Christians ajoku ewe

tintingz:
Argument from ignorance is when something cannot be explain or no evidence for it and you just assume or fill the ignorance with e.g God or supernatural, that's appealing to ignorance. It's a fallacy.

The problem with the argument is, what we can't explain now can be explain tomorrow. I gave example of thunder and lightning.

It's better you just say "I don't know" it doesn't hurt.

Rashduct4luv:


Please quote where i filled "somewhere with God/supernatural".

Good, now you agree that perception of logic and science is limited!

Now, narrate to us with your evidence based logic how the world (i.e. man, heaven, earth, etc) came in to existence!

tintingz:
What else do you want to fill with those gaps if not your God or supernatural? You started with your previous post with "My lord is all powerful" and started appealing to ignorance.

Humans are not perfect. Logic and science deals with real world not fairytale.

Lol. Science deals with that, logic is a tool use in science.

Rashduct4luv:



No loling pls. You called me ignorant right? Now school me on how the world was logically created explaining the scientific theory & methods used

tintingz:
You're beginning to attack straw man.

And educate yourself what argument from ignorance is.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

We don't know what cause the universe to exist or if the universe has been existing, due to the timeline we are not certain, except we travel back to the beginning which I think it's impossible, maybe in the future we may find a way to know.

The best explainable theory so far for the early beginning of the universe is the Big Bang, anything beyond that is unknown. So go and educate yourself with the Big Bang theory.

Rashduct4luv:


Ok, and you think Bing Bang satisfies logical reasoning? You really do not believe in Faith only facts!

tintingz:
Yes because it can be measured and calculated, that's why we have physics.

The idea God created the universe in 6 days is fairytale.

tintingz:
I'm talking about the religious conquest of both religion.

Rashduct4luv:


Ok, thank you. How was about 14 billion years ago calculated from physics for Bing Bang?

aadoiza:

Like any conquest whatsoever is a piece of cake. You guys can't even own up your atheism to your parents. I wanna see you conquer your hood, if it's that easy.

tintingz:
Why should I tell my parents I'm an atheists when I know the results, what do I want to gain in it? We have some atheists that informed their parents about their position some ended good some ended bad some even escape death while some are killed mostly in Muslim countries. I choose not to for now for some reasons, besides I'm enjoying my atheism, I live independently, I'm working and I argue with my friends about supernatural, in fact they know I don't believe in supernaturals, juju, superstitions and other nonsensical beliefs.

tintingz:
Scientists determine the age of the universe with two methods:

1. Measuring the speed and distance of the galaxies.

2. Measuring the age of the oldest stars cluster.

aadoiza:


You certainly aren't sure of your belief unlike the Arab warrior and the carpenter who, against all odds, avowed their beliefs and damned all consequences by going against the prevailing belief systems at their respective times. However; you, my friend, are too scared to come out and profess your belief 'cos you don't wanna be killed.
My prophet SAW was ready to die for he knew death is just the beginning.

Rashduct4luv:


Which of these two methods has no assumptions and/ extrapolations at all?

tintingz:
This is the problem with religion, the delusion.

Lol, I thought Muhammad wanted to be killed in Mecca and he escaped to Medina and gain more followers to form an army? I wonder why he didn't started to fight the pagans in Mecca when he had little followers in Mecca. Your prophet saw the danger coming and he fled.

Muhammad later gain the power he wants by enticing his followers with everlasting enjoyment in a fairy garden, the bounty in wars were shared, women slaves where shared, they collected jizya(tax) etc. that's how he was able to control that region with fear and terror. His later followers continued this conquest.

Jesus too wanted this power controlling, he was later killed or escaped who knows, he had very little followers in his time, I think he also had a delusion to sacrifice himself a.k.a suicide. His later followers started the crusade by conquering nations for power.

So my friend, I don't see the reason to go out and be shouting I'm an atheist when I know the society I'm where we have religious freaks, there is no reward in it. There are people who did so, I prefer my life like this. Maybe in the future I will be an activist.

aadoiza:

If your course ain't worth dying for it's not the right course.

tintingz:
Hope you know what delusion and extremism is?

Muhammad started a good cause to librate the people of Mecca but he ended up being in the same delusion he hated the pagans for.

A good cause is to fight for people's freedom, imagine slavery is still a practice during Muhammad era and throughout history of Muslim caliphates.

Religion is a tool for power and to control people.

aadoiza:

It's all about perspectives. You think Muslims are in delusion, and we think same of atheists. You believe religion is meant to control (still can't figure out how that is), and I see you as a proof for the efficacy of predictive progromming. Perspectives!!!!

tintingz:
We don't certainly know the origin of the universe, we can't travel back time. The available method and theory for now are the two methods to determine the age of the universe. There might be more tho I don't know.

It accuracy is like 99.1%.

If there is any new research and result, it will be amended or updated. That's science.

Rashduct4luv:


In Essence, Science is based on a kind of changing and updated faith in a particular chosen scientific method!

I don't think any theory based on several assumptions can be 99.1% accurate as you claimed.

tintingz:
You can think atheists are also delusional but that's not what being delusional is.

Atheists don't imagine things I said it's the truth, we deal with evidence, logic, materialistic world view. Theists on the other hand can imagine any fairy being or place and said it's the truth even when they can't prove it, they make it more worse by calling it faith, now that's delusion.

A Muslim can claim angel spoke to him and we should accept it as true but if someone told him Santa Claus spoke to him, he will call such person a liar and being delusional. Meanwhile the Muslim himself can't prove his own claim. So both of them are delusional.

Religion has been used to control the minds of the people for centuries till date, you can see how pastors are buying private jets and living lavishly, you can see how young boys are manipulated to kill innocent people, you can see how many religious people do crazy things. Indoctrination is a very powerful tool for mental slavery.

aadoiza:

I guess Jesus also lead a lavish lifestyle, eh? Someone got so terribly despiced and eventually fired from his job just because he thought round earth is a loony idea. People would do inconceivable things if their supposedly lofty and popular beliefs or ideas or opinions are challenged. Your seeing it as a solely religious rather than humanity thing is rather biased.

And if you think you atheists are not delusional that's more confirmation of delusion. Unless, of course, you don't know delusion also means a false idea. Do you actually think you're not being indoctrinated? I dey laugh here.

tintingz:


And please explain Quran 19:67.

emekaRaj:


This verse simply means man was non existing before he was created.

Eg. There was a time u didn't exist, u were nothing, nobody envisaged there was going to be someone like u, or how u will look or behave or even ur name, b4 ur parents gave birth to u. B4 u were born u were simply nothing, non existing.

tintingz:
Ok, Did Allah created everything from nothing?