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So, your index for measuring a true man of God is the number of people that stream their messages online,
really?

balmofgilead:
But he can still preach more than you.what can you do consistently and are so Good at that millions ofvpeople stream to hear you talk?till then keep shut

There are Biblical, new testament answers to those who see th truth an continue to partner with lies simply because they don't want their egos bruised and their fleshly lust questioned. The key word here DELUSION.

9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,

10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,

12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

(2 Thessalonians 2:1-12,

1 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-12, ESV)

2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.

3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,

4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. (2 Timothy 4:2-4, ESV)

This is a biblical prophecy that is in effect today. People will no longer endure sound teaching (Gospel truth) but would readily support an cling to whatever doctrine that fits like hand in glove with their ego, lusts and sinfulness.

Also, for those who are quick to jump unto the 'do not judge' wagon, notice the words used by Paul in describing the ingredients of preaching. Don't you see the words REBUKE and REPROVE? These are words associated with confrontating a wrong doing in order to bring about repentance. So I believe that rebuking a so called 'man of god' accuse of Adultery, fornication, manipulation, lies, intimidation and immorality is not out of place. And by the way, In this case, silence is not golden...,why? Let see what th Book of all books says:


3 But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints.

4 Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving.

5 For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not become partners with them;
8 for at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light

9 (for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true),

10 and try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. 11 Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.

12 For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret. 13 But when anything is exposed by the light, it becomes visible, (Ephesians 5:3-13, ESV)

Immorality should never be named among saints, especially those who shephard a church. That is why, such a person must strongly refute, repudiate an denounce the matter if he is wrongly accused and the world is watching. 'I will give a robust answer' is not enough answer. It is shameful.

Please do a research on the late Eddie Long, an American mega church preacher and prodigy to TD Jakes. He was accused by 3 teenage boys of Sodomy and manipulation. When confronted, he gave a silly answer like fatoyinbo's and subsequently settled the boys out of court. Crouch, swaggart, Johnson Suleiman, Mathew Ashimolowo, Kenneth Copland, TD Jakes, Oyedepo, Adeboye, Oyakhilome, Tb Joshua, Nike Adejumo. Etc. All accused of things that should not even b named among Saints.

franktalknigeri:
Immorality should never be named among saints, especially those who shephard a church. That is why, such a person must strongly refute, repudiate an denounce the matter if he is wrongly accused and the world is watching. 'I will give a robust answer' is not enough answer. It is shameful.

Please do a research on the late Eddie Long, an American mega church preacher and prodigy to TD Jakes. He was accused by 3 teenage boys of Sodomy and manipulation. When confronted, he gave a silly answer like fatoyinbo's and subsequently settled the boys out of court. Crouch, swaggart, Johnson Suleiman, Mathew Ashimolowo, Kenneth Copland, TD Jakes, Oyedepo, Adeboye, Oyakhilome, Tb Joshua, Nike Adejumo. Etc. All accused of things that should not even b named among Saints.

Well said

Since Timi Dakolo restored Fatoyinbo to our consciousness

In church, we will call out errors and holder leaders accountable. That's the truth and honesty that was handed down to us. It's called integrity. That's not "sitting as in judgment". It's plain exposure of evil.
Apostle Paul said " have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness instead, reprove them. Certain things should not be covered. We expose scandals and hope for repentance of the erring Christian. That's how the early church acted in scripture and we ought to follow their example and not be groupies for pastors.

traeces:
Biodun Fatoyinbo first came to my notice after Ese Walter's revelation and I carefully followed the story and dropped my opinion on it in a nairaland post of August 2013. See the post :www.nairaland.com/1414171/ese-walter-coza-pastor-biodun

After passing my "judgement" in that opinion and waiting for years for the "robust" reply from Fatoyinbo which did not come, I concluded the guy was not a christian. Anytime I heard someone attends Fatoyinbo's church, I put him or her in Fatoyinbo's category. I have 2 bosom friends who incidentally are cousins who attend the church and I remember expressing my disgust at one of them for attending COZA- Fatoyinbo's church.

However, on 3rd March 2018, I travelled from Benue to attend a program where Don Moen was ministering in Fatoyinbo's church. I arrived on an Okada too.

First thing I noticed was the coziness. I don't think any church any where in the world can ever be cozier. Fully air condition auditorium, completely rugged, giant sized electronic billboards, comfy chairs, state of the art sound system and music equipments, I can go on and on but I refused to be impressed.

While we waited for Don Moen to take the stage, young men and women attired in jeans trousers and unbottoned shirts with white t-shirts inside were ministering powerfully in songs BUT I COULDN'T BE BLESSED cos I was processing how some of them probably just left a bed of fornication to come to church in my poor mind. Then it hit me: I wasn't in any way better than anyone of them. Scripture after scripture jumped at my spirit and I became humble. One of the scriptures that came to me that helped me truly participate in that meeting was "Wherever two of you shall gather together in my name..." I reasoned that even if every other person here was not a christian, I was and Don Moen was so God was in the building.

My final "humbility" happened when Fatoyinbo took the mic. He spoke from a depth and with an auction I could tell was the Holy Ghost. I realized that day that Fatoyinbo may be guilty of everything ESE Walter accused him of but very importantly, I am no judge. It is between him and God at the end of the day. Who knows what "my own" man of God may be doing in secret that nobody knows-God forbid. In any case, I preferred one who kept quite in the face of such accusations to one who fabricated lies and did plenty things to cover up.

That was how I came to see Fatoyinbo as a brother in Christ and his church as a family of God upon the earth. Like all of us, he is a work in progress and not perfect but we must desist from seating as judges over his life or any other person's.

And you think the LORD will be pleased with the servant who caused the downfall or "death" of another servant? Christ will hold Fatoyinbo responsible as that woman's pastor. Unless he genuinely repents. I don't understand why some of you act uneasy around the truth being spoken

traeces:
I am baffled as to how you arrived at your deductions from what I wrote but I respect the fact that you have a right to your opinion. As for me, I have come to know that I have no right to condemn another man's servant. (Rom 14:4). If regardless of who he is or what he has been accused of, God has chosen to bless me through him, I will be foolish to close my heart to the blessing. Scripture is replete with instructions on this very matter and it was in the light of those scriptures that I looked away from what I thought of Fatoyinbo and saw him as a man first and foremost.
As for ESE Walters, I have always respected her courage and it breaks my heart to know she has backslidden from the faith but even then, I can only put her in my prayers.