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| Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by kkins25(m): 4:30pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
Greeting nairalanders in love and in light. I was reading a book recommended by budaatum through the Orolu library, a Facebook page, and a thought beemed into my mental reality. I want us to discuss about the Concept- Spirits. Spirits in this context refers to beings that are visually unavailable to the biological eyes. Science has exposed that the reality we perceived is simply what we are permitted to perceive by our limited senses. With respect to this text, our visual prowess. The human eyes can only pick light rays within a certain wave spectrum ranging through ROYGBIV(red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet). Basically, our eyes work on the a principle- light rays are reflected from an object into the eyes hitting the retina which stimulates optic nerves which transmits this stimulation to the brain which in turn transcribe this stimulus into information. Any object you can see means that- that object reflects light or absorbs all light rays(black coloured objects) Virus and a plethora of micro organisms are invisible to the naked eye. So also are entities we find in religious scriptures such as Gods, angels, demons and other creature, ghost et cetera. This entities are reffered to as spirit because they cannot be seen by the biological eyes so to speak. Since a virus requires the aid of an electron microscope to be seen and studied, could we then assume that with the right equipment we should also be able to gaze upon the magnificence of the spirit entities? Lets entertain ourselves with a biblical story, a very popular one. In the bible, lot was visited by two angels whom looked humanoid. Not only where they visible to Lot but to the other people in the society who were aroused by the beauty of this angels and under spell of lust threatened to destroy lot to get a taste of the ecstasy that the anus of this male entities would provide. Lol My point is, this entities were very much visible to the naked eye. Could they posses some feature that enables them to reconfigure molecular structure that prevented light from been reflected by their bodies to conceal their identity? If this entities could become visible, that means that they also most be made of a certain kind of matter. Christians never seem to trouble their brains to ask vital questions. Since they are too lazy to do so, i would take it upon myself to help question the Book of God. When this angels take human form, are they subject to the forces of nature? In human form can an angel feel anger, pain, lust, depression etc? Can hot water burn their skin? Does an angel in human form get the urge to urinate? Where does the matter upon which they take form originate from? Are they changing their own substance to that of a human? Are spirits made of substance at all? Can we call this substance atoms? What type of cells make up the body of an angel? In the book of genesis, we are told that angels descended from heaven to impregnate human babes who produce viable offspring and even bore humanoid kids. Let stop here and ask some more questions. What made angels of the most high God think of sex in the first place.? MuttleyLaff the metatron, your wisdom may be required here. The angels in their true form could feel sexualy aroused? Let's not forget that they are spirits. To feel aroused you most have sexual cravings which are produced by intristic factors such as hormones, and of cause the presence of a functioning reproductive organ. Since they were able to fuuuck women they definitely had a reproductive organ that looked like a peniis or transformed to a peniis.. Worthy of mention is the fact that the slay queen's produced babies that retained some characteristics of their angelic Bleep boy of a father. More questions arise here. The angels took human forms but it would seem their genes didn't. For the women to be impregnated, it meant that this angels climaxed and poured forth sperm. Let stop again for some analysis. A lion cannot impregnated a tiger. Not because the lions diick cannot fit into the tiger's vagina but because of a biological process(post zygotic isolation whereby the species may mate but gametes may not fuse, offspring is not viable or infertile) that prevents different species from interbreeding. The sperm of the lion and the egg of the tigress are not compatible.. you've probably heard of the "liger",which is the hybrid of a lion nd tiger. Do note that this is does have some scientific influence and will not- again- will not occur in nature. Lets come back to the angels. Since the copulation led to fertilisation and to production of viable offsprings( I say the offsprings are viable because they were stronger and better than the homo sapien specie. If they were not, the homo sapiens wouldn't have cried to God for intervention as said according to book of enoch) then we must conclude that the sperm of an angel was genetically similar to that of the human male. simply put, the the angelic specie and homo sapien are far more closely related than we thought. Dare I say it, that angels are infact the advanced Homo specie or Humans. No wonder Christians aspire to venture unto heaven and live- live like angels of the lord. Are Christians trying to evolve into a more complicated specie? You might defend thus; that the angel took human forms hence had human sperm and dna, but from biblical accounts we are told that the offspring were nothing like the human civilisation of noah. We are also told that the offspring called nephilim where hybrid angels and human. So the angel dna was not that of a man. An angelic sperm with angelic dna fertilised the ovum of the human babes. That leads us to the million dollar question, As a Biologist I am suffered to ask certain questions, and to put the biblical account under heavy scrutiny. I must also try to explain how an angelic race(which we assume are a different species) could successfully have sexual intercourse with a human dame, and produce a viable hybrid offspring. since the "keep the population in check" biological process to prevent breeding amongst species failed we must rule out the fact that angels are different from humans. Lets dive into the pool of molecular Biology. All living creatures posses genetic material, which comprises units of DeoxyriboNucliec Acid, DNA. The DNA is the blueprint of Life. It is the program code of biological existence. The DNA is the responsible directly or indirectly for all your anatomical features. The dna which bears the genetic code is coiled up into thicker folds that end up in a form and size we call the chromosomes. Each human cell contains 23 pairs of chromosome. For healthy reproduction to take place in all organisms without scientific intervention, the number of chromosomes of the paternal gamete must be equal to that of the maternal gamete. Your mama produced 23 and your papa produced 23 to produce you. If there is a single addition or subtraction from this number, 23, it would inevitably lead to devastating consequences. For example down syndrome, kleiniphelter syndrome and lots more. Where am I getting at? Since the angels had successfully shot a load of cum into the puna of a female human and also successful fertilised the ovum sitting calmy in the ovary. The egg must have been surprised to see strange looking sperm cell swimming with its wings instead of tail. The chromosomal number of the angelic dna must have been very much equivalent or close to that of human females. That would be the only plausible explanation for the hybrid - nephilim to be born and grow old enough to bear its own offspring. fascinating isn't it. Do note that there is such a term as polypoidy, whereby the offspring inherits excess number of chromosomes. However this is utterly rare in animals, and even if it occurred would have many deleterious effects on the offspring. DO ANGELS HAVE THE ABILITY TO TRANSFER THEIR DNA THROUGH SEXUAL INTERCOURSE?? obviously the answer is YES. DO THEY ENJOY SEX? YES, DID THEY EXPERIENCE ORGANMS? YES. It's the only way they would have shot their angelic cum deep into the abyss of the vagina. ARE ANGELS STILL CRAVING FOR SEX? Who knows, after their rebellion driven by pusssy, its probably God castrated the rest of them. If not, it means angel Micheal might be having erections as girls are going crazy of the #1mill twerk competition davido is organising. IS THE CHRISTIAN GOD CRUEL? oh yeah, why would you give an angel a dick with serious libido but he won't be able to use it.? That's only something the devil can do. Why would they fill sexual urges if they were built to serve God as their sole purpose of existence? this is left for the Christians to answer. What are the implications of the answer to this question i threw at you? You guys are invited...... Vaax, CAPSLOCKED, frosbel2, ernie4life, Tozara , dominique, joseph1013 , Luciferhimself, Chubhie , BuddhaPalm , sukkot , CAPSLOCKED , vaxx , 4C2215131 , Seun, ifenes, PastorAIO, LoJ , Immorttal , FlipGamBino , BlueAngel444 , plappville( f ), dalaman, funmisticqueen ( f ), Goldenventures 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by budaatum: 4:49pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
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| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by HermajestyQ(f): 5:05pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
Some things are called mistery ( beyond human understanding). Do you want to go crazy? If your answer is YES, then continue in your quest for answers. |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by kkins25(m): 5:14pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
HermajestyQ:If the world changers like Bill Gates and Steve job had reasoning like yours, we would still be using land line telephones.. And yes, i want to go crazy like Einstein, edison, teltsa, i want to go not just crazy but insane.. Insane enough to make God reveal himself. 4 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by HermajestyQ(f): 5:20pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
kkins25:. The problem here is that when you go crazy, you won't remember my warning. The Bible is way more than what you think. 1 Like |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by kkins25(m): 5:27pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
budaatum:hey, can I trouble u for the list of books ur mum read before she had a change of heart.. Thanks for mental alchemy by the way. Awaiting February read. |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by kkins25(m): 5:30pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
HermajestyQ:This means you understand the bible more than I do. If so, kindly solve the puzzle of the OP. The nephilim tale isn't some allegory oof some sort that we need to subject to interpretation. It is history. Angels did bang humans.. Its history not a parable, not some form of ancient hidden wisdom. So tell us how this history came about. 2 Likes |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by budaatum: 5:52pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
kkins25: Orolu Local Government Library book of the month of February Always trouble, please! |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by Ihedinobi3: 7:15pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
kkins25:The Bible does not call anything spirit merely because it is invisible to humans. It calls it spirit if it is spirit. God is Spirit and "hides Himself" so that He is not seen by humans or any creature by whom He may not wish to be seen. Angels are spirits because they were created to be spirits not possessing material bodies. kkins25:What the Bible calls spirit cannot be observed by any material means. It will only become discernible to humans as God Himself wills that it should be. kkins25:The following is the Bible passage with that story. I find no suggestions in it of any beauty or arousal to make this a special case. Sodom was a depraved civilization where strangers were simply not safe because of the wickedness of the people who lived there. [1]Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening as Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. [2]And he said, "Now behold, my lords, please turn aside into your servant's house, and spend the night, and wash your feet; then you may rise early and go on your way." They said however, "No, but we shall spend the night in the square." [3]Yet he urged them strongly, so they turned aside to him and entered his house; and he prepared a feast for them, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate. [4]Before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter; [5]and they called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them." [6]But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, [7]and said, "Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly. [8]Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men, inasmuch as they have come under the shelter of my roof." [9]But they said, "Stand aside." Furthermore, they said, "This one came in as an alien, and already he is acting like a judge; now we will treat you worse than them." So they pressed hard against Lot and came near to break the door. [10]But the men reached out their hands and brought Lot into the house with them, and shut the door. [11]They struck the men who were at the doorway of the house with blindness, both small and great, so that they wearied themselves trying to find the doorway. Genesis 19:1-11 NASB kkins25:Angels are part of God's creation. Their spirituality belongs to this Universe in terms of type. We don't really know how their spirituality works but what we do know is that it is not the same as materiality. It is a different kind of "matter", if we must call it that, from what is common in our experience. The Bible tells us only that and warns us to add nothing to it. When the Day comes that the Church is resurrected, we will understand and learn far more than human beings ever imagined possible. kkins25:What we do know is that they never take on true materiality. They do make themselves visible in a form similar to the human one but even then they do not become material. Their only way of experiencing material existence is by taking possession of material bodies owned by other spirits including man himself. But that act is highly prohibited by God and can result in an angel's getting thrown into the abyss. kkins25:There is a mess of questions in here that need answering. To begin, let us see the passage in question: [1]Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, [2]that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. [4]The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:1-2,4 NASB Also, consider the following passages... [6]And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, [7]just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire. Jude 1:6-7 NASB [4]For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment... 2 Peter 2:4 NASB Yes, these angels went after "strange flesh" like the people of Sodom and Gomorrah later did. Since too, angels are obviously not God, the mechanism by which they produced the Nephilim through their human wives may very well have been sexual in nature. But does this translate to a libido among angels? It might or it might not. That is of no consequence. But even if it does, there are both male and female angels (Zechariah 5:9) so that there is no lack of provision for satisfying such desires if they do exist. This is the single important issue you have raised in this matter and it is because you refuse to believe in God that you do not recognize that there is no cruelty in Him. Note that it is the angels that give you your excuse here although you yourself are alive and well enough to complain and you do have a skill too and possibly a job and friends and a life of some consequence. None of these blessings are enough to make you think that God is good. It is just the notion that angels are sexually frustrated that exercises your anger against God. Why did the angels which did go after human women in Genesis 6 do so? First of all, they were rebel angels who had already rebelled against God before Man was created. They desired physical bodies like the animals in the first universe that God created had. So they began to take possession of those animals and to try to create physical bodies of their own with which to experience physical life. Their activity is where the fossils that many scientists are so crazy about come from. Living in physical bodies became an addiction for them just like hard drugs are for some of us. It destroyed them and kept them bent on a path of more self-destruction. When all the angels who wanted to toe that path had made their choice to do so and all angels who insisted on remaining loyal to God had made their choice, God summarily destroyed that first Universe with a flood that covered all of it in deep, dark ice. That wiped out all the monstrosities that they had made in their lust. Today we find their bones and some preserved forms deep in the earth and exposed in some places too. Although, God ended that rebellion, He did not stop their activities forever. He left them and their leader Satan in order to use them to test Man whom He later created to replace them among the angels. So, yes again, you are right that Man is not totally different from the angels. But man was made in a physical body and thus limited in power and knowledge unlike the angels who were created to be purely spirit without physical bodies. All believers will in the end come to possess and live in bodies so powerful that we will be greater than the angels themselves though. That is what we have been promised in the Resurrection to which we look forward. Moving on though, we know how that test went and has gone, however. Satan has continually been working to persuade human beings to join him in rebellion. When Adam and Eve consented to, all of us automatically acquired a rebellious bent to our natures, something theologically called the sin nature. We have by nature a rebellious attitude toward God from birth although we all still possess the same ability that angels had to choose not to rebel against God if we so please. Because Satan and his angels were left to remain in the scheme of things, they were still able to carry on with their old activities when God re-created the Universe and the earth. In fact, the very first time we encounter Satan himself after that re-creation, he was already possessing an animal: the snake in the Garden. So, it is not strange at all that the other rebel angels would want to experience sex with human women and contrive some way to do so. This is not a problem that the elect angels have at all. Not only have their choices to be loyal to God been sealed so that they can no longer sin against God, there is also the fact that in so far as sex may be part of God's Eternal Gift or Plan for the angels, both male and female angels exist so that there is no reason that they cannot enjoy such a Gift, that is, as I said, if it has been given to them. The rebel angels, on the other hand, have from the beginning been looking to step down from the spiritual plane into the base physical. So, of course, they sought after such a thing as we saw in Genesis 6 but at terrible cost to themselves. All the angels who were involved in that debacle at the time were thrown into the Abyss in deep, palpable darkness and bound in chains until now. They will only be released during the Tribulation after which time they and all rebel angels including their leader Satan will be thrown back in there to wait for the end of the Millennium of the Lord Jesus's Reign over the world. After that, they will be deposited in the Lake of Fire for eternity. So, it was not a good idea at all for the rebels to mess with the perfect order of things that God had made. As for whether angels can transfer their DNA, that assumes that they have a DNA. They are spirits. As such, what they transfer is not known to us. We don't even know how they were able to generate progeny with human beings. Clearly, they could do such a thing (in fact, the Antichrist is quite literally the devil's son), but by transferring DNA? We have no reason to think that it is necessarily so. This is not strictly biology since there is a fundamental difference of type involving one spirit partner with far greater knowledge and power than you might be able to imagine and another with a physical body, the Nephilim children notwithstanding. Biology works for physical sexual partners generating physical progeny. But when one partner is a spirit and the progeny have supernatural characteristics, then there is a true question how far biological principles can go in explaining the process. 3 Likes |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by budaatum: 7:28pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
kkins25: Orolu Local Government Library book of the month of January HermajestyQ:Go crazy. You cannot be reborn unless you die! |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by Nobody: 7:42pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
Angels do not have sexual needs. Those angels in Genesis 6 were fallen angels whose true aim was to stop the promise of God. Those fallen angels (demons) probably materialized or they simply possessed the body of selected humans to pollute the world of men. |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by Ihedinobi3: 8:43pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
solite3:I would advise that we stay with what the Bible itself says even if we don't feel comfortable with it. As the Bible says, the actions of the rebel angels were closely connected to the beauty of the human women and their actions were similar to the actions of the people of Sodom and Gomorrah as well. So, it is hard to separate sexual desire from their actions even if they did (and they truly did) have other motives. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by Nobody: 10:14pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
Ihedinobi3:those angels had those desires because they were already fallen because the bible plainly stated that angels do not marry. The nature of fallen angels has ready been corrupted due to their rejection of God. Angels do not have sexual desires does not mean they can't develop it if they are fallen. |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by Nobody: 10:16pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
Question: "Who were the sons of God and daughters of men in Genesis 6:1-4?" Answer: Genesis 6:1-4 refers to the sons of God and the daughters of men. There have been several suggestions as to who the sons of God were and why the children they had with daughters of men grew into a race of giants (that is what the word Nephilim seems to indicate). The three primary views on the identity of the sons of God are 1) they were fallen angels, 2) they were powerful human rulers, or 3) they were godly descendants of Seth intermarrying with wicked descendants of Cain. Giving weight to the first theory is the fact that in the Old Testament the phrase “sons of God” always refers to angels ( Job 1:6 ; 2:1 ; 38:7 ). A potential problem with this is in Matthew 22:30 , which indicates that angels do not marry. The Bible gives us no reason to believe that angels have a gender or are able to reproduce. The other two views do not present this problem. The weakness of views 2) and 3) is that ordinary human males marrying ordinary human females does not account for why the offspring were “giants” or “heroes of old, men of renown.” Further, why would God decide to bring the flood on the earth (Genesis 6:5-7 ) when God had never forbidden powerful human males or descendants of Seth to marry ordinary human females or descendants of Cain? The oncoming judgment of Genesis 6:5-7 is linked to what took place in Genesis 6:1-4 . Only the obscene, perverse marriage of fallen angels with human females would seem to justify such a harsh judgment. As previously noted, the weakness of the first view is that Matthew 22:30 declares, “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.” However, the text does not say “angels are not able to marry.” Rather, it indicates only that angels do not marry. Second, Matthew 22:30 is referring to the “angels in heaven.” It is not referring to fallen angels, who do not care about God’s created order and actively seek ways to disrupt God’s plan. The fact that God’s holy angels do not marry or engage in sexual relations does not mean the same is true of Satan and his demons. View 1) is the most likely position. Yes, it is an interesting “contradiction” to say that angels are sexless and then to say that the “sons of God” were fallen angels who procreated with human females. However, while angels are spiritual beings (Hebrews 1:14 ), they can appear in human, physical form ( Mark 16:5 ). The men of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to have sex with the two angels who were with Lot ( Genesis 19:1-5 ). It is plausible that angels are capable of taking on human form, even to the point of replicating human sexuality and possibly even reproduction. Why do the fallen angels not do this more often? It seems that God imprisoned the fallen angels who committed this evil sin, so that the other fallen angels would not do the same (as described in Jude 6). Earlier Hebrew interpreters and apocryphal and pseudopigraphal writings are unanimous in holding to the view that fallen angels are the “sons of God” mentioned in Genesis 6:1-4 . This by no means closes the debate. However, the view that Genesis 6:1-4 involves fallen angels mating with human females has a strong contextual, grammatical, and historical basis. 1 Like |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by Ranchhoddas: 11:46pm On Feb 08, 2019 |
Muttleylaff the Metatron! Apt. |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by JujuSugar(f): 1:47am On Feb 09, 2019 |
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| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by MuttleyLaff: 8:39am On Feb 09, 2019 |
kkins25: Ranchhoddas:"muttleylaff is not metatron, let's be clear on that. " - Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by MuttleyLaff: 8:49pm On Jan 20 kkins25, I humbly and respectfully say this that, you must be half clever and half crazy to open and write a thread full of hogwash, no facts at all, just speculation, sexual fantasies and littered with other sex addiction mumbo jumbo you can muster up The only real and solid fact in your write up and the only thing you got right, is saying angels are humanoid. Now if you know, accept and agree that angels are humanoid, as in, having an appearance resembling a human being without actually being one, meaning they look like human beings without actually being human beings, then what gave you the crazy, reckless and obsessive idea that angels have peniis, huh? kkins25, you, since I ever can remember, have always been fascinated with angels and them having sex with human beings. Why? Dont you realise kkins25, that, angels will first, have to be born, just like Jesus was, either as male or female, in order for them to have any chance to have sex with humans? That hasnt happened yet, has never happened, is yet to happen, so your bizarre, far-fetched theory gets shot down in flames. This applies to others like solite3 and even Ihedinobi3, whom, I am surprised he too bought into this angels having sex bullshit. Sodom and Gomorrah was pencilled and earmarked for destruction even before their attempted "rape" of the angels, so the attempted rape wasnt part of the original reason why the destruction punishment was mete on them. The attempted rape, just proven how bad and inhospitable these people have become. They are not welcoming or generous to strangers who visit, instead they are cruel and wicked to them and/or visitors. cc JujuSugar 2 Likes |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by Ihedinobi3: 9:22am On Feb 09, 2019 |
solite3:"Do not marry" is not the same as "do not possess sexual desire" or "do not have sex". I am not willing to argue that the elect angels do possess sexual libido or have sex since the Bible does not say explicitly that they do. But it does not explicitly say that they don't either so I wouldn't argue as you do here. That is what I mean by staying with what the Bible actually says. |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by Ihedinobi3: 9:29am On Feb 09, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:As I often say, I try to stay with what the Bible actually says. I try to do that even when it is uncomfortable or unpopular. Because the Bible is always true even when men's ideas and idiosyncrasies, however vehement, are false. The Bible seems clear and undeniable to me in saying that sexual desire and sexual intercourse did in fact happen between the angels and the human women in Genesis 6. It is something I didn't like to think either but it doesn't seem arguable to me in the end. And I see no reason to believe that angels need to be born in order for them to be able to have sexual intercourse with human beings. If the Bible says that they did without suggesting any kind of human birth (something I wonder at), then I certainly believe that they did without being born. |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by MuttleyLaff: 9:59am On Feb 09, 2019 |
solite3: Ihedinobi3:Ihedinobi3, you've probably times without number, heard me say, I dont do arguments. Arguments or arguing over a matter, 110% stems from ignorance and opinions, it always is bereft of facts or factual information because of conjectures and subjectivity. This is why I dont do arguments, like you are doing here exchanging ignorance for another ignorance, mainly I havent got an ignorance to trade with. If I am not sure of a subject matter, I will remain and keep mum, as opposed to exhibiting and looking to trade with my ignorance Ihedinobi3:Well you are NOT adhering to this rule of yours about staying with what the bible actually says because there is no where in the bible where it states that angels have sexual appetite or sexual libido. Also no where in the bible, is it stated that angels have sexual desire. The notion hat sexual intercourse did in fact happen between the angels and the human women is completely and utterly wrong, il-informed and a total fallacy. How you misconstrued the nephilims in Genesis 6 and extrapolated Genesis 6:2-4 to be angels is outrageously baffling and scandalous Sometimes, we give Satan and especially, like in this case, his angels (i.e. demons), way too much credit. Imagine fallen angels having sex with human beings. Who dash angels monkey banana? I am sorry that is a bad pun so excuse it Ihedinobi3 To start with, after their rebellion, Satan & his fallen angels, lost whatever abilities they might have had, to appear in physical human forms period. Angels can ONLY appear in physical human forms and perform all permissible fleshly activities, if and/or when representing God. Anything less than being in that official capacity, automatically renders such beings, ineligible from having rights to appear as a human being to perform whatever permissible fleshly activities allowed. It just for such beings, wont happen Also whats important to know, is that, angels, never had, havent any mandate to procreate, that mandate was given to human beings, not and never to angels Ihedinobi3, kkins25, solite3 and others, you've all learned something completely worthless from whoever taught you all that nonsense, especially, in the case of the fact and truth, that they are no celestial beings (i.e. angels) involved anywhere in Genesis 6:2-4 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by Maamin(m): 11:17am On Feb 09, 2019 |
I remembered that MuttleyLaff and I debated this Angel and Daughters of men sexual relation vivdly last year. The scripture is Crystal and none arguably clear on this matter. Though angels are spirit beings but that does not rule out the fact that they possess the sexual desire like other created beings (humans and animals alike). We humans have physical limitations in our present human nature. That can't be said for the angels who were originally spirit beings created to be higher than us in every sense of existence. If in our physical form and nature we can influence the spiritual, why do you think angels in their spirit forms can't influence the physical too? The mind bugging question is that 'can angels still cohabit with other race of living things in this present day?' 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by MuttleyLaff: 12:43pm On Feb 09, 2019 |
Maamin:On that thread just like ihedinobi3 here, you were blindly and poorly arguing that angels have sexual desires. You were mistaken nephilims in Genesis 6:2-4 and elsewhere, like in the book of Job, to be angels. Angels only take human forms when on assignment from God. Except being on official assignment, celestial beings never take on form that look or resembles human beings. This is part of the reasons, why no one has ever seen physically Satan or seen a demon. I repeat that only human beings were given the mandate to procreate, never celestial beings also known as angels. 1 Like |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by Maamin(m): 1:02pm On Feb 09, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: How do you explain the spirit that posed as Samuel when the sorcerer summoned him ? Because that is definitely an evil spirit masquerading as Samuel's spirit. |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by Ihedinobi3: 1:41pm On Feb 09, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:First, just for the record, the above is what I mean by your presenting "questions" or even "comments" in an antagonistic way. It is hard to respond to the above in a friendly manner because it is overtly insulting. Perhaps I really am exchanging ignorance for ignorance but why would I accept your judgment on that? I am presenting matters as I see them in the Bible and as I have learned from someone that is gifted and prepared as a Bible teacher too. You are not presenting matters at all, on the other hand. What you merely did is arrogate to yourself the right to call a judgment on what I have said. If you had bothered to show some Bible passage that indicates that my knowledge of this matter is either nonexistent or incomplete, that would be different. But rather you consider yourself a sufficient judge to make pronouncements to which you seem to me to think that I am responsible to yield for some reason. If I refuse to yield, you would only heap more abuse on top of the above. And how can I bear such a thing for too long without wanting to fight back? That is why I may seem not to want to engage with you. It is only the Lord God Who knows the heart but I accepted you as a brother believer in Jesus Christ, so I would always seek peace with you even when we don't agree on some things. After all, we only know and see in part for now because of the bodies of sin that we must endure for now. If we maintain peace in love with each other, in time, the Lord will make everything plain and reconcile the incoherence in our differing understandings of all matters. Now, I say that only because I believe that we share a fundamental belief that the Lord Jesus is God Who became Man to die for all of our sins on the Cross so that we can be saved. There are people who claim to be Christians who do not believe that at all. I do not feel any need to be at peace with them especially when they deliberately spread their lies where I have spiritual responsibility or when they feel the need to seek me out and talk to me. I avoid them unless I absolutely need to call them out to protect other believers. Then there are antichristians too who are not shy to present themselves as such. I do not treat them as brothers either. So, consider that your attitude may be in some need of adjustment. As much as I seek peace with you as a brother in the Faith, I am not under any law to either obey you or to respond to you when you act in such a manner as you do with comments like the above. I am willing to be corrected wherever I need it although I am not willing to be dictated to. Feel free to call my attention to anything you think I am getting wrong but only on the authority of the Bible not merely on your strong feelings about anything. I am not responsible to you after all, only to the Lord, in fact. MuttleyLaff:In Genesis 6, the sons of God are said to have found the daughters of men so beautiful that they took wives from among them and "went in to them" so that they had children for them who were the Nephilim. This is what the Bible says. Now, we may have some mild debate about who the "sons of God" are here but not about why they took wives from among human women or whether they "went in to them" or had children by them. The language concerning those latter things is unmistakable. Those sons of God were interested in the beauty of the human women. Their choosing wives from among them had to do with sexual desire as much as with any other motive they may have had and going in to them most definitely involved relations which produced children. Additionally, the verses from Jude clearly parallel the actions of some angels with the sexual depravity of Sodom and Gomorrah making it further impossible to debate that not only is this a sexual event but that the sons of God were unquestionably angels, rebellious ones albeit. This is what we actually read in the Bible. The only way we can escape what is otherwise so clear is to divorce the witness of Jude and Peter from Genesis and that would leave us completely adrift with no clear understanding what the latter are referring to or to what the Flood was about. In fact, it is impossible to separate Jude from Peter or Peter from Genesis. The three are obviously the same picture. This is not merely Ihedinobi3's feverish imagination or some concoction of ignorance meant to offend anybody's sensibilities. It is what the Bible actually says. For what it is worth, I have on this very forum argued against what I have said here too before. It did offend my sensibilities to imagine that angels had relations with human women. It continued to for a long time. Even now I am simply refusing to listen to my emotions about it since the Bible is unquestionably clear to me here. I would rather it say something different but it does not and I am insisting on believing the actual witness it makes rather than what I rather wish that it said. As for the Nephilim, there is no question that they were important here. The Nephilim are the true backstory from which the human race developed the concept of "supermen", human beings with extraordinary abilities that astounded the world. The very teaching about the Antichrist and the witness in Genesis 3 that he will be Satan's literal seed even buttresses the fact that such people are possible. These are not mere human inventions but biblical teachings. In other words, if I just listed passages, I wouldn't need to say a single word of my own to make it clear that this is what the Bible is saying. What I do say is to help those who are untrained to see the connections which are ordinarily unmistakable but which would be hidden to those who are still learning to trust the Bible. MuttleyLaff:That is not altogether false. It is true that very many of us give Satan and his cohorts too much credit. But it is not impossible to give him too little credit. And we are warned against both extremes in the Bible. Insisting on either will lead us to dispensing with the Bible and falling into Satan's trap in the end. MuttleyLaff:I know of no place in the Bible that teaches this. Perhaps you can show me if you do know such a place and we can begin to reconcile our views from there. MuttleyLaff:I do agree that it does appear that angels in general are not allowed to make themselves visible to us. The reason seems obvious judging from how such great believers as Daniel and John could not resist worshiping them when they showed themselves to them. Their power and glory is hard to ignore for us. If the rebel angels were not under a similar embargo, doubtless many believers would have been seduced away from the Faith just by seeing them. But I think it is stretching it to say that angels ONLY appear physically when/if they are representing God. Obviously, the rebel angels can and have violated other ground rules - and undoubtedly suffered severe punishment for it - so it is not impossible for them to violate this one too even if it would be at such great risk to themselves. MuttleyLaff:I think that it is obvious that angels were not designed to procreate among themselves. Their number has always been fixed since they were all created at once. But the fact that angels cannot produce new generations of angels does not really have anything to do with the creation of Nephilim which while clearly different from normal human beings in important respects are truly physical half-humans at least. We don't know how the angels were able to do what they did but it is not inconceivable since angels are far more knowledgeable and far more powerful than normal human beings. Our inability to understand these things is neither a mistake on God's part nor an excuse to reject what is clearly said: namely, that angels went in to human women and produced Nephilim as a result. MuttleyLaff:As I have said, I have done my best to follow the Bible here. I always do that because of what I anticipate before the Judgment Seat of Christ. As much as I would rather that you and I agreed on this, I would sooner agree with the Word of Truth and be rewarded by the Lord Jesus for doing so than agree with you and be shamed and rebuked by Him for failing in Faith. So, if you feel persuaded that the Bible says something different, I respect your feeling about it and will not debate it with you. It is between you and the Lord. But if you mean to discuss it, I would encourage you to seek out and confirm biblical reasons for holding the view that you do as I have done and endeavor to keep doing with all things. 1 Like |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by budaatum: 1:43pm On Feb 09, 2019 |
Who were the sons of God? Who were the famous heroes Nephilim? Genesis 6 New International Reader's Version (NIRV) The Sins of Everyone on Earth 6 There began to be many human beings on the earth. And daughters were born to them. 2 The sons of God saw that the daughters of human beings were beautiful. So they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not struggle with human beings forever. They will have only 120 years to live.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days. That was when the sons of God went to the daughters of human beings. Children were born to them. The Nephilim were famous heroes who lived long ago. Nephilim were also on the earth later on. 5 The Lord saw how bad the sins of everyone on earth had become. They only thought about evil things. 6 The Lord was very sad that he had made human beings on the earth. His heart was filled with pain. bonuses only! Why did God's Spirit tire of struggling with human beings? And what's the implication of this tiring? |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by Nobody: 7:00pm On Feb 09, 2019 |
Ihedinobi3:alright bro. Nice work |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by Ihedinobi3: 8:20pm On Feb 09, 2019 |
solite3:Thank you for your kind words. |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by MuttleyLaff: 11:04pm On Feb 09, 2019 |
Ihedinobi3:I am sorry and apologise to you if you usually find my comments and action of asking someone to be full on for your liking or take I remember you being delicate and/or sensitive and that you dont have a thick skin as much as I do, so believe me when I say, as much as I'd love to mollycoddle, I rather be a honest arsehole than a well liked liar Ihedinobi3:I am not sure why you are taking offence. It wasnt to be taken personal and it wasn't intended to be malicious. To be truthful, I honestly thought you, wrote you'd argue, and that's is why I brought in the ignorance slant. Not many know that, an argument an exchange of ignorance, whereas, discussions, are exchanges of knowledge, correct and useful information. So I merely was making an observational comment, but if it came too strong and you felt insulted by it, then again I tender my profuse apologies, and I've come to realise some of us have low thresholds Truth will always be truth, regardless of lack of understanding, disbelief or ignorance. The truth about the nephilim will always be the truth even if you or anyone else dont want believe it. Ihedinobi3:If a crooked stick is put before anyone, you need not convict them how crooked it is. Just lay a straight one down by the side of it, and the work is well done. Explain the truth, and the error of the way will be put out Ihedinobi3:Perhaps you now need to be reminded that, growth, comes by pruning. Ihedinobi3:Ihedinobi3, I never abuse. I just say things as they are. I call a spade a spade and dont call a spade a fork. I dont mince my words Ihedinobi3, especially not when talking with heavyweight people like you, maybe that is why you erroneously perceive me to be insulting and/or abusive to you Ihedinobi3, I know a thick skin is a gift from God, so just pray for a tough hide, if you havent already developed one. It is so important because you are going to be mocked, ridiculed, misunderstood, laughed at, your comments made fun of, take the mick out of, insulted, abused etcetera Ihedinobi3:God bless you too much for your kind, mature, wise words and understanding. Believe me when I say there is no malice. I will be more careful with my choice of words, whenever and when next I respond to posts you have interest in. This actually is déjà vu for me Ihedinobi3:Ihedinobi3, there is more that binds us together, than holds us apart Ihedinobi3:I got carried away, so I fully give you the right lambaste me Ihedinobi3:I sure have no intention to dictate to you or anyone. If you have the stamina and you are going to be true to your word, I will lay down on the ground the straight stick and put down a bowl of water but obviously cant force you to drink. It is going to be a bible verse upon bible verse, line upon line, a little here, and a little over there marathon affair. Be prepared and willing to unlearn whatever you've erroneously known nephilims to be, what "sons of God" etcetera to be. Ihedinobi3:If there are daughters of men, have you ever asked the questions: 1/ Who are the equivalent sons of men, as there are sons of God? 2/ What's the difference between the daughters of men and the daughters of God? 3/ Where the nephilims already on earth or not before the sons of God started going into the daughters of men? Ihedinobi3:"Don't pay any attention to any of those senseless Jewish stories" - Titus 1:14a You are conflating multiple separate incidents here Ihedinobi3, as what happened in Genesis 4:2-6 is quite different to what happened with Sodom and Gomorrah's Genesis attempted rape. It is also different to where Peter and Jude were talking about the same myth being discussed and argued upon on this thread. It is not only Peter and Jude warning against Jewish myths about angels having sex with human beings, even Paul too, warned Titus in Titus 1:14a above earlier reproduced, not to believe in them Ihedinobi3:I am so sorry to be the one saying to you that you've got hold of the wrong end of the stick here. You completely got wrong what Peter and Jude were messaging in their chapters. Peter and Jude wrote their letters combating heresies and talking exactly against the same myth being discussed and argued upon on this thread. Ihedinobi3:What may I ask, is it that the bible actually says? Produce what it is the bible is appeared to have said and let's with great care, thoroughness and in all its entirety examine it together. Ihedinobi3:You shouldnt listen to your emotions anyway in this regard, it is the head that needs listened to, in order to see, in this respect, clearly what the bible is telling and saying Ihedinobi3:Simply put, the nephilims are the product of when the righteous men (i.e. sons of God) had sex with daughters of the unrighteous men (i.e. daughters of men). The rest of the gist is beyond the scope of this thread Ihedinobi3:This is exactly part of what Peter, Jude and Paul in their individual letters and by proxy to us were warning about Ihedinobi3:Have you ever read of a physical appearance of satan and/or a demon to anyone in the bible ever? Ihedinobi3:OK. Again, I repeat, show me, somewhere in the bible, of a stated physical appearance of satan and/or a demon to anyone ever Ihedinobi3:Now its you learning to stretch the truth here. The bible never says the number of angels are fixed. What bible says about angels, is that they are innumerable, as in meaning, they cant be counted. Ihedinobi3:You dont know with this emboldened comment, how so close to the truth you are Ihedinobi3:Angels did nothing, angels did no such thing. This is what Peter, Jude and Paul were warning against, the belief in the ridiculous, belief in myths. This is not true, and so is slander. This is slandering angels. Ihedinobi3:"... Bold and self-willed, these men are unafraid to slander angelic majesties." - 2 Peter 2:10b I am sorry Ihedinobi3, it is with a heavy heart that I posted 2 Peter 2:10b up there for you to see and it hurts me more than it will ever hurt you Ihedinobi3:Ihedinobi3, I've been here, sold it, done it and have the "angels have sexual feelings" souvenir t-shirt I bought. There are quite a few many so-called truths we were raised with and forced to believe, that are not truths at all, so, yeah, I am willing to discuss, up to certain points, everything. You will have to be prepared to go the distance, because Believe me Ihedinobi3, I know with God's help, what I bring to the table, and trust me when I say, if need be, I am not afraid to eat alone |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by MuttleyLaff: 11:10pm On Feb 09, 2019 |
Maamin:The witch of Endor did not see a physical demon and yeah, it merely explains that when you look at the dark, you ought be careful because the dark looks back. |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by budaatum: 11:24pm On Feb 09, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:You left out "Crucified!" How can you do diarrhoea of words and miss out "Crucified" !? Do mine. Without the dow please! |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by Ihedinobi3: 11:58pm On Feb 09, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:1. I'm not sure why you expect an equivalent "sons of men" but it does occur to me that the language in that passage was deliberately forcing a contrast between the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men". That is to say that the point was that it was "sons of God" that were in view rather than "sons of men" as might have been expected. 2. Again, I don't see why you expect a "daughters of God" here. The use of "daughters of men" coupled with the extra emphasis on increased population and human birth of these daughters appears to have been to make it unmistakable that the story was about human women rather than any other kind of female. 3. The connection of the Nephilim to the production of children from the union of the sons of God and the daughters of men seems to me to be unmistakable. It can hardly be explained why they were put together if the Nephilim were not these children themselves as you yourself went on to admit later in your post even if you still insisted that the sons of God were only male believers. MuttleyLaff:There are all kinds of myths, some of which truly are addressed by the Bible. But there is nothing that I see to suggest that Paul was referring to the Genesis 6 story. Nor do I see any reason to believe that Peter and Jude were speaking of anything different. How would anyone know that? Is there some other incident in the Bible that we can point to which they explain besides the Genesis Flood? MuttleyLaff:I already did in the comments that you referred to in your response to the OP. Genesis 6:1-2, 4; 2 Peter 2:4; Jude 1:6-7. MuttleyLaff:If the Nephilim are the products of human parents albeit of differing attitudes to God, why were they important to mention in that chapter? MuttleyLaff:I have not. Nor have I read anywhere in the Bible that they cannot physically appear to anyone since they do not represent God. Do you know of any such place or might you have interpreted a silence? MuttleyLaff:[4]He counts the number of the stars; He gives names to all of them. Psalms 147:4 NASB [14]"You were the anointed cherub who covers, And I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire. Ezekiel 28:14 NASB In the first passage, clearly there is a fixed number of the angels. In the second, the stones of fire were based on the same principle as Exodus 28:9-12, 17-21 and Revelation 2:17. The stones of fire were individual memorials of each angel before God. They were finite in number and they were all there at the same time that Satan was still the covering cherub. No stretch of truth at all. MuttleyLaff:What is the truth you speak of? MuttleyLaff:I expect that you will explain this in your answers to my comments and questions above. MuttleyLaff:I asked you enough already and explained what my position is in the post you responded to and you still haven't answered. That Peter and Jude and Paul were referring to some unnamed myth is no answer. That the Nephilim are pure human children only raises another big question. That angels never did what I believe the Bible said that they did is still no clarification of the issue. But I trust that you will clear things up now. |
| Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by budaatum: 12:05am On Feb 10, 2019 |
And when thou writest, thou shalt not write as the hypocrites do for they love to write standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 2 Likes |
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