₦airaland Forum

Chukwunadindu:
The funny thing about you IPOB members is that you guys state ignorance with boldness and nonsense with courage.
First of all you are saying Buhari offered Nnamdi KANU millions of dollars- Big Fat Lie!
You guys always talk like illiterates- which is what most of you are. You reason like your brain left your head and is located in your anus! You say things you can't defend and defend things that are not true.

Secondly, when I say you guys contribute money to your so called National I know what am saying. One of the days last year, I went to see my parents and one of the students parent in my mums school had the stupid courage to say that he will complete his children's school fees payment next week. Because they gave him, his wife and mother in-law money to pay in their IPOB meeting. I've also met a lot of you who tell me the have dues to pay in IPOB.

You guys should stop being stupid and reason with your senses. Stop thinking like old layer.

illiterate keh? oga am probably miles ahead of you in education and exposure. And to add to it, am in my early 30 and am a multi millionaire. self made.

Bighead9:
I just dey pitty this people aswear. Una never suffer yet, between 2019 and 2023 will be the worst for Igbo's.

Actually that's not true.

Even if Buhari tarries, it won't be worse for Igbos. Igbos have been through harder time, and have long adapted several countermeasures. You should perhaps weep for your ethnic group.

Last time I heard, Hunger does not know tribe!

banom:
illiterate keh? oga am probably miles ahead of you in education and exposure. And to add to it, am in my early 30 and am a multi millionaire. self made.

lol.

Meanwhile, the person you are arguing with can claim he has multiple Doctorate degree, in his late twenties, and a multi billionaire.

True or false, this claims are pointless and don't help advance your points.

Chukwunadindu:
Everybody that tells you the truth is not Igbo. And any Igbo man that tells you the truth does not know what he wants. You guys should drop this bigotry and irrational approach to key and sensitive issues and start acting wisely.

Both Nnamdi and his supporters are confused and a confused man needs to be put right before he runs man!!!

i made it clear to you and everyone else in my first post that it is a choice. if you are for one Nigeria go out and vote, if you are for Biafran and you support IPOB sit at home as directed. what is so difficult there? must i support Atiku before i become a normal human being ? if Atiku is your choice i wish you and him the best, for me, Biafra is my choice and I will boycott the presidential election alongside all my family members.

banom:
i made it clear to you and everyone else in my first post that it is a choice. if you are for one Nigeria go out and vote, if you are for Biafran and you support IPOB sit at home as directed. what is so difficult there? most i support Atiku before i become a normal human being ? if Atiku is your choice i wish you and him the best, for me, Biafra is my choice and I will boycott the presidential election alongside all my family members.

To each his own

PointB:
lol.

Meanwhile, the person you are arguing with can claim he has multiple Doctorate degree, in his late twenties, and a multi billionaire.

True or false, this claims are pointless and don't help advance your points.

Honestly am sorry i had to go that off point. its pointless saying those stuff. But the guy is an irritant. They are always trying to Create the impression that people who support or are IPOB members are poor, uneducated, and jobless. They don't know there are far more educated people running IPOB than those running Nigeria.

banom:
Honestly am sorry i had to go that off point. its pointless saying those stuff. But the guy is an irritant. They are always trying to Create the impression that people who support or are IPOB members are poor, uneducated, and jobless. They don't know there are far more educated people running IPOB than those running Nigeria.

You guys should just keep the debates clean.

Those who want Biafra and those voting for Atiku believe they are helping Igbos. There is divided opinion already, the worst strategy will be alienating people with different opinion. If you do that, they will only entrench their position.

So all sides should present their arguments with tact and decorum. It's battle of ideas not of personalities.

AZeD1:
Spain has one of the worst economies and unemployment in Europe.


Anyway you haven't answered the question...if getting Biafra was as easy as a referendum, why is Catalonia a recognized country?

Even with Spain's economic state, is Nigeria better off?
Nigeria is the so called giant of Africa, Spain is not the giant of Europe...but back to the referendum issue.

Catalonia conducted a referendum, about 92% voted for independence and the referendum was afterwards declared illegal by the Spanish government. I don't think it was internationally recognised too, which would have given it credibility...this is what IPOB is working towards.

Chukwunadindu:
Everybody that tells you the truth is not Igbo. And any Igbo man that tells you the truth does not know what he wants. You guys should drop this bigotry and irrational approach to key and sensitive issues and start acting wisely.

Both Nnamdi and his supporters are confused and a confused man needs to be put right before he runs man!!!

Bro, it's quite simple really..
Some of us don't see the sense in oiling the wheel of anarchy in the name of civic duty or reinforcing failure. Recall that in 2015, it was this same rave of removing the clueless one without minding whoever is taking his place and we fell into deeper mess and we are at it again. Atiku who is a smooth criminal is now the best option to move Nigeria forward after contributing to the rot in the system. By 2023, you guys will he removing Atiku again for someone else, and you think that is a rational approach. Who is now the confused one really.

No one stops anyone from voting though..

lagdmark:
@OP just Vote. Atiku trust me you don't need to write too much sermon on Nairaland again

Atiku is the best candidate because..?

Bighead9:
I just dey pitty this people aswear. Una never suffer yet, between 2019 and 2023 will be the worst for Igbo's.

Between 2015 and 2019 was worst for who

banom:
Before i state those five important reasons, it is important i point out i was one of those highly vocal Atikulators last year. But as time went by, and with deeper understanding of what is really going on in Nigeria, i changed my mind. And decided to support what is best for me and my people. I can not be supporting Atiku or any other person at the expense of the freedom of my people. I still love Atiku and i wish him the very best, but Biafra is a far bigger priority and it most come first before any other thing.

The following are five major reasons IPOB advocated for Biafrans to boycott the presidential election. And i agree 100& with them, and every enlightened Igbo man or woman should comply as well.

IT IS A HARMLESS AND EFFECTIVE WAY OF COLLECTIVELY TELLING THE WORLD WHAT THE IGBOS WANT AS A PEOPLE.

The first importance of boycotting the presidential election is to send a message of what you want to the world, who themselves will not only be watching and taking note from afar, but will equally be on the ground to observe and see things for themselves.

The message is simple : Do you want Biafra or do you want to remain in Nigeria ? Its your choice, and no one will make it for you or force his or her own choice or opinion on you. It has nothing to do with PDP or APC or any other political party, it is about what you want and your choice of nationhood.

If you chose to remain in Nigeria, it is of utmost importance that you go out on the presidential election day and vote and play a part in deciding who leads the nation for the next four years.
But if your choice is to break away from Nigeria, and form a Biafran nation, then the Nigerian presidential election presents you a platform to tell that to the world by refusing to participate in it.
It is an indirect form of Referendum. You refuse to vote not because ordinarily you wouldn't want to vote, but a way to demonstrate and agitate to break away from a country you feel its not fair to you and you no longer want to be part of .

The beauty of it is that the election boycott is both harmless and effective: Harmless in the sense that it doesn't put you at any physical risk. It is far safer than coming out on the street to demonstrate and agitate for what you want. You simply stay in your house, relax yourself, play with your kids and loved ones, and even have time to reflect on all that the Igbo man has suffered for decades in the calamity called Nigeria, and ponder on what will be the way out in other to achieve a better future for yourself and your kids. And it will be effective because the world will be watching and will respond to you according to your wish. They will not force on you a nation you don't want. Your boycott will become a statement of what you want and the world will see and hear it loud and clear. And will respond accordingly.

IPOB NEEDS IT AS A LOBBYING AND NEGOTIATION WEAPON.

You might wonder why would IPOB seriously advice Biafrans to boycott the presidential election, and how would boycotting the presidential election help achieve Biafra?
This is a very reasonable and pertinent question as it is necessary one must understand the rational behind every such instructions before carrying it out. And more so, is the fact that at first look, the election boycott order looks like a person willfully harming himself , or even a sinister agenda in itself.

The truth is that it takes only an insider in the battle between IPOB and the Nigerian government, or a well enlightened outsider to immediately understand the reason behind IPOB issuing the election boycott order.

To a greater extent, what an average Biafran man living in Nigeria knows about the struggle by IPOB to actualise Biafra freedom is the countless demonstrations and protests IPOB activists and supporters do stage on the street on daily basis. While those protests are necessary and has its own level of effectiveness, that alone will not actualise Biafra.

Outside the event that we go to war with Nigeria and fight our way out of Nigeria, the way we will actualise Biafra will come from those protests, all manners of civil disobedience we embark on, and serious pressure that will be mounted on the Nigerian government from foreign powers to accept to fix a date for referendum and let us go.

To lobby for this foreign supports, IPOB lobbyists and consultants are working tirelessly outside Nigeria, meeting with foreign powers, international organisations, and well to do individuals praying and pleading for our case for freedom and independence from Nigeria.

The problem here is that they are not alone in it: The Nigerian government are equally engaging this same foreign Powers and and lobbying them not to listen nor support IPOB to liberate us from Nigeria.
The implication is that these foreign Powers are standing on the fence: on one hand is IPOB pleading "please help us out of Nigeria, our people are marginalised and no longer want to be part of Nigeria", while On the other hand is Nigeria government telling these foreign Powers "don't listen to IPOB, they are not the true representative of the will of the people, the Biafran people still want to remain in Nigeria".

How does election boycott come into the equation? If you boycott the presidential election as directed by IPOB, it will serve IPOB two crucial purposes: one, it will add to their legitimacy as the organization fighting for the liberation of our people, and stamp them as the true representative of the people and their will.

Second, the election boycott itself will form as part of IPOB lobbying and negotiation arsenal. A weapon in their diplomatic armory. They can now go back to these foreign Powers and use it to further plead and press their case for Biafran independence. They can now tell them, " you see our people no longer wish to be in Nigeria, they fully demonstrated this by massively boycotting the Nigerian presidential election" .

That is the main reason they asked you to boycott the presidential election. So that they can use it to further plead our case for independence.

Why didn't you understand the boycott as a tool for a diplomatic tussle between IPOB and the Nigerian government ? The answer is that the Nigerian government don't even want you to know about it, because they know that If you get to know about it, as an Igbo man naturally , you will take side with IPOB and boycott the election.
Another reason is the Cloud, (the falsehoods) created by PDP propaganda machine. Because, somehow, Igbos boycott of the election will affect the PDP more than the APC, they are out brainwashing unenlightened igbo men and women that IPOB and NNAMDI KANU is working for Buhari by asking them to boycott the election.
But when the same IPOB and NNAMDI KANU were busy exposing Buhari as an impostor Jubril, they supported it then because , it was discrediting APC, and benefiting them. Now, incidentally, the election boycott order is now against their own interest, NNAMDI KANU is now suddenly working for Buhari.

But the great question is " how can NNAMDI KANU be working for Buhari and at the same time be causing him lethal damage by exposing him as an impostor ? " Does that make any sense to any sensible mind ?

IT WILL RAISE IGBO'S LONG TERM POLITICAL VALUE IN NIGERIA.

Contrary to what some unenlightened folks and people in the PDP propaganda room have said about Biafrans boycotting the presidential election, that, it will adversely affect the igbos, on the contrary, it will raise Igbo's political value in Nigeria. Which is one of the root causes of their ordeal in Nigeria. most Igbo's political misfortune in Nigeria somehow stem from an igbo mans own behavior to what affects the well being of the igbos in general. An igbo man often acts too personal that they can not achieve anything collectively as a people.

How will Igbos boycotting the presidential election raise their political value in Nigeria ? To answer that, you have to look at the northerners: there are two reasons the northerners have more political value and edge over the rest of Nigerians, first, they decide what to do and do it in unison as one people, everyone commits to it with full gear, and it bears fruit. They did it in 1966 when they carried out a tribal coup to take away power from the south, and in recent times, in 2015, they banded together to take away power from Goodluck Jonathan.

Second, in every political decisions they make, they normally think first and foremost of themselves and and act first for their own good. Even if the decision will negatively affect the rest of the country, they don't care. They understand that Nigeria is not truly one, and united, and the best thing to do is to do those things that will benefit you, and act first for your own good and that of your people .
If they are the one who wants a breakaway from Nigeria, and as a result of that, are asked to boycott the Nigerian presidential election, they will comply to it 100%. In fact, you won't even near their place to say you are hosting any presidential political campaign, they will deal with you. Try it and you may not go back alive, and nothing will come out of it. They will never support one of two igbo men to be elected the president of the country at the expense of the pursuit of their own freedom. They will NEVER, EVER, AND EVER do that. That is who the northerners are: smart, united, and self interest driven. What matters to them is their own survival, not yours.

How will igbos boycotting the presidential election replicate this behavior of the northerners, its very simple : by massively boycotting the election, they will send a clear positive message to the rest of Nigerians that they can no longer accept the on going institutional marginalisation of the igbos by the Nigerian government. That they are now people capable of taking a decision and acting fully on it as one people. This will make other Nigerians to take them seriously, knowing fully well that they are people capable of speaking with one voice and acting on it. That they can be united in pursuit of a goal, or in support of a Candidate or agenda.
Besides that, by demonstrating the ability to stage such a massive civil disobedience, the Nigerian government will be forced to stop their systematic marginalisation of the people and work to integrate them fully well in the scheme of things in Nigeria in other to have them to always comply with civic responsibilities. No government wants civil disobedience or can fully function well against it.

The contrary is actually what will affect the Igbos: if the igbos refuse to comply with the boycott order, it will still showcase them to the rest of Nigerians as people not yet capable of speaking with one voice and acting on it. It will portray them as people not united, and unserious people who can't tell what is best for them, and who can not stand up and say to Nigerian government enough is enough. And the Nigerian government marginalisation of them will continue.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO LOSE AND THERE IS EVERYTHING TO GAIN.

Before going deeper into this, it is important for you to understand the directive issued by IPOB. they said "you may Vote in other elections, but totally boycott the presidential election" But before they gave such directive, they had already done their calculations and arrived at the necessity of such decision.
First of all, the presidential election which will take place before other elections will have much global exposure , so it presents a bigger opportunity for you to tell the world what you want. Boycotting it completely will be a powerful message sent and heard wide, loud and clear.
On the other hand, the governorship and other states election which will take place later, presents opportunity for you to vote out those state governors that out of their selfish political ambitions, are standing against the movement for the actualization of Biafran freedom. Those state governors like Okezie Ikpeazu of Abia state , and Dave Umahi of ebonyi state who were ruthless and foolish enough to invite soldiers to kill our people for agitating for their freedom. Show them the way out. Then elect or reelect those who have been sympathetic to our course or at least sensible and human enough not to kill us.
That is the perfect voting step any enlightened Biafran should take. It is the perfect voting method that will help actualise Biafran freedom. Vote in men and women of good will and conscience, irrespective of their party affiliation. people who are enlightened enough to lead well and work for the general interest of the igbos.
There is absolutely no risk in boycotting the presidential election, instead, there is everything to be gained from it.

IT IS YOUR OWN LITTLE CONTRIBUTION TO THE STRUGGLE FOR THE ACTUALIZATION OF BIAFRAN INDEPENDENCE.

If you support the idea of we Biafrans going our separate way to form a free progressive nation where we can proudly call our own, then it calls for a responsibility for all of us to in one way or the other contribute to the struggle to actualise it. It will not come by merely wishing or saying you support it. It will come by everyone one of us contributing in one way or the other the much we can to to make it to become a reality.

Before you do that, there are two important things you must understand about the current Biafran struggle: one, now and more than ever before, we have the best chance to actualise Biafra. The agitation has so much gone far that all what is remaining is one key step or event and Biafra will become a reality .
Second, since the need for us to go our separate way and form a Biafran nation started in the late 1960s, we have lost so much for it that we can not afford to go back. It is Biafra or nothing. Our parents and grandparents lost their lives to make sure we are free people and not to experience the hopelessness we are experiencing today as Nigeria. Their sacrifices can never go in vain.
No tribe in Nigeria have lost more people for their survival and existence like we Biafrans. The existence of Nigeria is a curse on us. We wouldn't have lost over 3 million of our people if Nigeria never existed. We must continue until we get what we want.
And to get that freedom we want, and ensure that the sacrifices of our fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, and even foreign sympathizers like Bruce Mayrock our distant cousin, and many others were not in vain, we all must contribute to the struggle one way or the other.
You don't need to lose your life like millions we have already lost in other to contribute to actualise this vision, and our prayer is that we will not lose a single Biafran life again in this struggle. And you also may not need to come out in the street to demonstrate or evangelise before you can contribute to the struggle, you can make your own contribution to the struggle by boycotting the presidential election as directed and it will be counted for you. History will remember you, and what you have done, and your conscience will be at peace. Though the task might be small, but never under estimate it, it is vital , and probably the most important step needed now to our freedom.

very true.

Imagine leaving the likes of Ikpeazu in power in the name of election boycott

AZeD1:
Why hasn't Catalonia gotten its freedom after numerous referendums(with the support of Barcelona)?

Catalonians in a democracy contributed with rest of Spain to drafting of Spain's present Constitution.


That's why Catalonia had no constitutional loophole to get independence from Spain.
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Nigeria's present Constitution was supervised by military DICTATORS, not democratically.

The case of Biafra is therefore different from Catalonia's.

Donelli:
Even with Spain's economic state, is Nigeria better off?
Nigeria is the so called giant of Africa, Spain is not the giant of Europe...but back to the referendum issue.

Catalonia conducted a referendum, about 92% voted for independence and the referendum was afterwards declared illegal by the Spanish government. I don't think it was internationally recognised too, which would have given it credibility...this is what IPOB is working towards.

Nigeria's constitution doesn't allow for a referendum, so there's no way a legal referendum can happen in Nigeria without changing the constitution. The question is how do you change the constitution when you don't want to be a part of the process?

AZeD1:
Nigeria's constitution doesn't allow for a referendum, so there's no way a legal referendum can happen in Nigeria without changing the constitution. The question is how do you change the constitution when you don't want to be a part of the process?

Time will tell..

Donelli:
[s]What was the outcome?

Infact, one of the mockery we have received in recent times is that our "brother" GEJ was in power and did not do certain things we've been lamenting about (the bad roads, 2nd Niger Bridge, ports etc..)

After all the voting, what has been the impact. I find it rather laughable that people who still do trial and error in selecting their so called leaders will look down on those who see the f0olishness in the cycle of failure and call them condescending names yet think themselves smart. Both Buhari and Atiku are failures in governance. If you guys are a quarter as smart as you want to make yourselves believe, then you'll quit this "kick him out" nonsense and focus on the important things[/s].

now that your Lord and savior has asked you to vote can you now hide your face in shame.

Real ibos are not this dull

chukwuemekafran:
now that your Lord and savior has asked you to vote can you now hide your face in shame.

Real ibos are not this dull

And you're so pained about this because..?

Donelli:
[s]And you're so pained about this because..?[/s]

pained that we have always said we will vote or what?

chukwuemekafran:
now that your Lord and savior has asked you to vote can you now hide your face in shame.

Real ibos are not this dull

From the beginning Nnamdi kanu has always maintained that he has conditions that need be met before he call off the boycott order. Since he said the conditions had been made he has called the boycott off.

On the issue of voting, it is a choice Nnamdi Kanu cannot force anyone to vote or not vote. The main thing is that he has called off the boycott after his demands were met and it is now left for ipob to decide either to participate in the election or not.

chukwuemekafran:
pained that we have always said we will vote or what?

Good!
So quit whining and do whatever makes your life seem meaningful.

For team IPOB-should-form-a-political-party, what do you have to say about the elections. Kindly confirm to me if you think your PVC were as powerful as you previously believed and your votes voices were consequential.

You want to send a bunch of desperate powermongers away from their means of relevance and livelihood with PVC. Una nor dey learn lesson.

I hope all Atikulators and those calling Mazi Nnamdi Kanu a coward will protest this daylight robbery.

Donelli:
For team IPOB-should-form-a-political-party, what do you have to say about the elections. Kindly confirm to me if you think your PVC were as powerful as you previously believed and your votes voices were consequential.

You want to send a bunch of desperate powermongers away from their means of relevance and livelihood with PVC. Una nor dey learn lesson.

I hope all Atikulators and those calling Mazi Nnamdi Kanu a coward will protest this daylight robbery.

hahhahhahahahha my brother laugh won kill me since yesterday..... I remember how you and i, and other comrades here fought tirelessly to explain to igbos here what is best for them but the insisted on atikulating. my neighbor came to our house today and told me he is sorry for misunderstanding us before, that his eyes are wide open Now.

my bro congrats as we IPOBS are the true winners of the election. udo diri gi.

banom:
hahhahhahahahha my brother laugh won kill me since yesterday..... I remember how you and i, and other comrades here fought tirelessly to explain to igbos here what is best for them but the insisted on atikulating. my neighbor came to our house today and told me he is sorry for misunderstanding us before, that his eyes are wide open Now.

my bro congrats as we IPOBS are the true winners of the election. udo diri gi.

The battle is not over, our enemies are resourceful, the path ahead is not a smooth one... But we must continue.

Donelli:
The battle is not over, our enemies are resourceful, the path ahead is not a smooth one... But we must continue.

Sure. Peace unto us