₦airaland Forum

rekinomtla:
Name me people who were executed because of their science - heads up, they don't exist.

Below is a list of some Scientists Executed by the Church. It claims scientists were not killed for their science but unfortunately has Giordano Bruno, who was killed for his science, on the list. I do wonder though if it makes any difference if they were killed for their science or their philosophy.

frosbel2:
Largely irrelevant ? Are you serious ?

Yes it is largely irrelevant and it is the view consistent with the scholarly consensus of historians of science today. Do your research.

The oppression of scientific thought and opposing views to those of the church were the key reasons why no progress was made in Europe for almost a millennia

The "dark ages" is a popular myth, the fact that you believe it was a real event in history shows you ain’t got a clue about what you talking about. Worst of all, you arrogant about it, calling me deluded . All you need to do is read a book on the topic to cure yourself of ignorance.

“The crude concept of the Middle Ages as a millennium of stagnation brought on by Christianity has largely disappeared among scholars familiar with the period, but it remains vigorous among popularizers of the history of science—perhaps because, instead of consulting scholarship on the subject, the more recent popularizers have relied upon their predecessors uncritically.” – (Galileo and Other Myths About Science and Religion, Page 20)

“The idea of the Middle Ages (or medieval period) first arose in the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries among Italian humanist scholars, who detected a dark middle period between the bright achievements of antiquity and the enlightenment of their own age. This derogatory opinion (captured in the familiar epithet “dark ages”) has now been almost totally abandoned by professional historians in favor of the neutral view that takes “Middle Ages” simply as the name of a period in Western history, during which distinctive and important contributions to Western culture were made—contributions that deserve fair and unbiased investigation and appraisal without prior depreciation.” – (The Beginning of Western Science, Page 193)

Europe was backward, drenched in squalor, overcome with religious superstitious attitudes and very few dared take a stance against the theology of the church as it pertained to science etc. Galileo and his ilk were only welcome by the church when the complied with its daft theology of the age of the earth and its formation etc, the minute they took opposing views, they were hunted down persecuted and often killed.

Name these men who were allegedly hunted down and often killed.

Besides the church we are talking about here is the CHRISTIAN CHURCH that has been engrossed with Paedophilia, sexual perversion, slavery, genocide and all manner of vice. This is the CHURCH that is the MOTHER of all the modern day off shoots. They are all based on the same BULLSH1T.

All of which is again irrelevant to the question of whether or not the church oppressed science. Stop trying to change the topic.

More to come in answer to your other points.......

What’s going to come is just more outlandish claims not found in any textbook in history. You’ll most likely just repeat the same old garbage passed around in atheist circles.

budaatum:
Below is a list of some Scientists Executed by the Church. It claims scientists were not killed for their science but unfortunately has Giordano Bruno, who was killed for his science, on the list. I do wonder though if it makes any difference if they were killed for their science or their philosophy.

It's questionable whether or not Bruno can even be called a "scientist", he was more of a mystic who rejected the scientific approaches of his time. Claims of him being a martyr for science however has been thoroughly debunked

You need to measure the rate at which churches are developing especially in Nigeria, without government funding.

You should not forget that Christianity pave way for socialism and democracy all over the world. Countries led this atheist remain glue to communism.

The two times the world went to war was because of atheist leadership of a part of the world at the expenses many lives lost. It took Christian leader to come up with decisive action to stop those stupid atheist from destroy the globe.

The Korean Peninsula is a good example of how world will be under Christian government. North for the atheist, South under Christian liberalism

budaatum:
Below is a list of some Scientists Executed by the Church. It claims scientists were not killed for their science but unfortunately has Giordano Bruno, who was killed for his science, on the list. I do wonder though if it makes any difference if they were killed for their science or their philosophy.

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frosbel2:
The oppression of scientific thought and opposing views to those of the church were the key reasons why no progress was made in Europe for almost a millennia. Europe was backward, drenched in squalor, overcome with religious superstitious attitudes and very few dared take a stance against the theology of the church as it pertained to science etc. Galileo and his ilk were only welcome by the church when the complied with its daft theology of the age of the earth and its formation etc, the minute they took opposing views, they were hunted down persecuted and often killed.

Stop playing the victim card for scientists, Christians and Christian Theologians were tagged heretic and were given the same treatment too by the power that be as at that time, which is Roman Catholic. All till today the Roman Catholic did not call themselves Christian, I don't know why you are bent on driving Christianity into their matter

So, according to rekinomtla, Bruno is not a scientist, and according to Freelancerebel, Roman Catholics are not even Christians! That's me educated as I smh!

FreelanceRebel:
You need to measure the rate at which churches are developing especially in Nigeria, without government funding.

You should not forget that Christianity pave way for socialism and democracy all over the world. Countries led this atheist remain glue to communism.

The two times the world went to war was because of atheist leadership of a part of the world at the expenses many lives lost. It took Christian leader to come up with decisive action to stop those stupid atheist from destroy the globe.

The Korean Peninsula is a good example of how world will be under Christian government. North for the atheist, South under Christian liberalism

Hitler was not an atheist. Neither was the Kaiser in WWI.

budaatum:
So, according to rekinomtla, Bruno is not a scientist, and according to Freelancerebel, Roman Catholics are not even Christians! That's me educated as I smh!

I never said he wasn't a scientist, I said its questionable if he should even be called one. Which is evens besides the point, since he wasn't condemn for any scientific ideas, your link even said that. In fact you should thank me for informing you on the "dark ages" as well, since I've noticed you also push the same narrative as frosbel.

rekinomtla:
I never said he wasn't a scientist, I said its questionable if he should even be called one. Which is evens besides the point, since he wasn't condemn for any scientific ideas, your link even said that. In fact you should thank me for informing you on the "dark ages" as well, since I've noticed you also push the same narrative as frosbel.

There isn't really a record of Bruno's indictment nor one of his trial, but he's pretty much as close to a scientist as you'd get in his time. And I did call the period the "so called dark ages", signifying it's not my choice of expression.

The fact is that the ruling Church of the day opposed any idea, be it philosophical (as in, made up in the mind), or scientific (as in, evidence of the senses albeit dimly), that contradicted its theological view of the day and still does by some in some instances (an inability to accept evolution being one). But the point need be made that it was the same Church that funded quite a lot of research during that period which brought on the Renaissance.

You are talking to a person who considers Genesis 1 and 2 as very early scientific theories proposed by 'scientists'.

LordReed:
Hitler was not an atheist. Neither was the Kaiser in WWI.

Hitler was not an atheist. That is debatable and that has been done in the past.
Kaiser is a Title for German emperor.

FreelanceRebel:
Hitler was not an atheist. That is debatable and that has been done in the past.
Kaiser is a Title for German emperor.

Yes, Kaiser Wilhelm was not an atheist.

The world would be full of hypocritical zombies

A highly hypothetical question
There is a reason they are evangelicals,the same reason they can't rule the world or ever will- their low "intelligence".Talk of Natures way of saving the planet from morôns.