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alBHAGDADI:
There's currently a movement out there which wants Christians to throwaway the old testament part of the Bible and just stick with the new testament alone. Those behind this movement are mostly those against tithing. They say we are not to obey old testament laws because Christ has freed us from the law. They say those who obey the old testament laws are under a curse. Below are their favourite verses

Galatians 3:10 KJV
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

James 2:10 KJV
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

They quote the above verses when you tell them that tithe is very much relevant today as it was in the days of the children of Israel. They immediately quote tonnes of old testament laws which are very difficult to follow, and tell you that you simply want them to be under the curse of the law if they dare break any of them.

The problem with such people is that they don't understand the Bible because they lack the Holy Spirit which guides into all truth. That's why they have thrown away a whole portion of the Bible and have stick with the New Testament. Even the new testament which they claim to follow, they do not believe in it.

Now, is the old testament to be thrown away? No, because it is as good for us today as it was for those of old.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

As seen above, all scripture is profitable for doctrine. It doesn't say the old testament is not profitable nor does it say it is only the new testament that is profitable. It says all scripture. God gave us the old testament so that we can learn a lot from what happened before our time because such lessons will help us during the end times.

1 Corinthians 10:11 KJV
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Now, concerning keeping old testament laws. We are to continue keeping them until Jesus Christ who died on the cross tells us otherwise. Now, he's not going to tell us otherwise because he's already stated what we need in the Bible, we just have to look therein. S, what did Jesus Christ himself said concerning the law? Let's hear him speak.

Matthew 5:17-20 KJV
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


Did you see where Jesus said he has thrown the law into the refuse dump? No, you can't find such. Rather what you'll find is him saying he came to fulfill it. He even said not one jot shall pass away. To show that what he said back in the old testament still stands, he placed a loss on whoever shall break one of the smallest of the commandments and even go ahead to teach men to do the same thing. That's why I pity those who say they won't tithe and go about teaching people against tithing on social media.

You may ask, if the laws of the old testament still stand, how come people no longer offer animal sacrifices and other practices of the old testament like ablution, keeping the Sabbath day etc?

Before I answer those questions, let me first of take you on a ride for understanding. Read the below verses.

Deutoronomy 22:5 KJV
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Leviticus 18:16 KJV
None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their unclothedness: I am the LORD.

Both verses are Old Testament laws against incest and cross-dressing. Now, the people who say we should throw away the old testament and those who say we shouldn't obey the laws of Moses are so foolish in that they do not see the error in their saying. According to them, Jesus Christ has died to set us free. Did he died so that we can now cross-dress like homosexuals and sleep with our sister or mother? An old testament law also says we are not to bow down to idols. What these people are saying is that we can now bow down to idols because Jesus has set us free. These people don't know what Jesus set us free from, they just parrot junks which they heard a social media liar say. They might even say we don't need the law to teach us what is right from wrong because the Holy Spirit living in us will do that for us. That foolish statement made them throw away the old testament. But wait, let's see who the Holy Spirit is:

John 14:26 KJV
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Holy Spirit will bring to remembrance all what Jesus told us in the Bible. Now, how will you be able to remember what Jesus said in the old testament when you've thrown it away? Or don't you know that the entire Bible is about Jesus right from Genesis chapter 1 to the last chapter of Revelations? Jesus speaking:

John 5:54 KJV
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

To be honest with you, it is not every law in the old testament that we are to obey as Christians. But how do we know which to obey from those we aren't to obey? It is by listening to Jesus, listening to what he said back then in the old testament and now in the new testament. That's how we know that the laws on ablution and Sabbath have changed.

Concerning the law against idol worshiping, did Jesus change that the law in the new testament? No he didn't. That's why we still obey that law today. What about cross-dressing and incest? Those laws still stand because he didn't change them.

Now, there are some laws which he changed in the new testament. Remember he stated through Apostle Paul that since the Levitical priesthood changed, there came a change of the law. It doesn't say the law was thrown out, it only says it changed.

Hebrews 7:12 KJV
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

The law which talked about not eating certain animals got changed in the new testament when Paul said we can eat all things.

Romans 14:2-13 KJV
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Remember the law against eating blood? That law still stands.

Genesis 9:4 KJV
But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

Acts 15:29 KJV
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

You see, whatever Jesus doesn't want us to continue with he clearly states it in the new testament. Now, whatever he didn't change about the old testament laws still remains. It means whatever he said back in the old testament must still be followed. If he didn't tell you to stop, you are not to stop. Since he hasn't told you to stop obeying the anti-cross dressing, the incest and so many laws of the old testament, why do you feel you can just wake up ome morning and stop obeying them?

John 14:15 KJV
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Where did Jesus command you that you shouldn't pay tithe any more? You will never find. The closest you find is him even upholding the law on tithing three times in the new testament. Since he hasn't told you to stop, who are you to stop paying tithe? What he said back then still stands and must be obeyed. If you go about disobeying it and telling people to disobey it too, then you will be the least in the Kingdom of God.

For all those who love to say Jesus has set them free from the curse of the law, so they are not going to obey the law, such people don't even understand that particular verse they quote. Jesus didn't set you free from the law so that you won't obey it any more. Rather, he set you free from seeing it as a means to eternal life. If you say you want to make heaven by not sinning at all i.e obeying all the law, then you will end up in hell fire. You will end up there because you can never succeed in obeying the entire law. It even becomes worst for you if you pass all but failed in one. You will be guilty of even the ones you passed.

James 2:10 KJV
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Since no man can pass the whole law without failing one, Jesus had to come and make it easy for us to make heaven. He came, passed the law without sinning or failing any. When he died, his righteousness was taken from him and given to us who believe in him, while our sin was given to him.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


All we just have to do now is believe in him and Eternal life is ours.

John 3:16 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


We are saved by Grace, not by the works of the law.

Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Does that mean since we are saved we can now bow down to idols, commit incest, not pay tithe, coveteousness, steal, cross-dress, murder etc? No, because it will mean we are disobeying the laws of the one who saved us. Guess what? we will receive spanking from him if we do such.

Hebrews 12:6 KJV
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

If you don't want God to keep spanking you, then get back to obeying his commandment which is a sign of love for him.

John 14:15 KJV
If ye love me, keep my commandments.


Obey his laws because he is...

Hebrews 13:8 KJV
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Amen

Actually, God sends prophets in the aforetime with different commandments. The Old testament is only there for us to realize the importance of the death of Christ and our inheritance in God now.
Christ has fulfilled the law and we therefore don't need to keep them anymore.
We are Christians and NOT JEWS.

The fact is as long as we can claim old testament blessings we should also respect its laws

OpenYourEyes1:
Modern employees are bought (technically)

It's more like a trade. I trade my time and expertise for money because I value the money more than my time and my employer values my time more than the money he is paying me.

I don't think it's quite the same thing

LordPsalm:
Actually, God sends prophets in the aforetime with different commandments. The Old testament is only there for us to realize the importance of the death of Christ and our inheritance in God now.
Christ has fulfilled the law and we therefore don't need to keep them anymore.
We are Christians and NOT JEWS.

How do you read?

If you are no more to obey those laws because Christ has died to free you, why not go and have a hot steamy sex with your mother tonight?

Dhumancanvas:
It's more like a trade. I trade my time and expertise for money because I value the money more than my time and my employer values my time more than the money he is paying me.

I don't think it's quite the same thing

What do employees do with the money?

Servants also trade their time for food, shelter and clothing

No

This OP is a big thief. He wants to stick to old testament because it makes money for him. Pulpit bandit!!! DF is bursting you thieving lies everyday. Old Testaments is just a history. Nothing more. Christ is of the new covenant and we are christians. Anybody telling you to obey anything in the old testament is a thief, like this thief OP

alBHAGDADI:
Don't just talk, point them out and I will show you if they've been changed or still stand.

Only idiots speak without proof and expect sensible people to swallow their words.

You couldn't even tackle anything in the whole OP cos it's too hot for you.

Proverbs 6:30 kjv
Men do not despise a thief, if he steal to satisfy his soul when he is hungry;

jpmoriarti:
This OP is a big thief. He wants to stick to old testament because it makes money for him. Pulpit bandit!!! DF is bursting you thieving lies everyday. Old Testaments is just a history. Nothing more. Christ is of the new covenant and we are christians. Anybody telling you to obey anything in the old testament is a thief, like this thief OP

If you are not going to obey the old testament laws, then go and sleep with your mother tonight because you are no longer to obey such an old testament law because Jesus has set you free.

Make sure you use condom.

Korllami007:
Proverbs 6:30 kjv
Men do not despise a thief, if he steal to satisfy his soul when he is hungry;

Yeah, it days we shouldn't hate a thief if he stole to quen hunger.

Is that a bad law?

All scriptures is given for our reproof and edification, no part of the scriptures should be ignored.


Check my signature

The Decalogue and health law is still very binding, be like the bereans, go back and check for yourself whatever you hear from the so call men of God

Charmingrascal:
The fact is as long as we can claim old testament blessings we should also respect its laws

The only time you get blessed as a christian is when you acknowledge the death and resurrection of Christ and when you help the poor. No one gets any blessing from the old testaments. And watch it, the blessings they meant is not of riches and glories in this world but of riches and glories in the world to come. This is the reason why Stephen, not minding he was filled with the holy spirit (biggest blessing for any christian), God still allowed him to still be stoned to death

Una mate don go church. Una dey here dey argue apadan.

alBHAGDADI:
Yeah, it days we shouldn't hate a thief if he stole to quen hunger.

Is that a bad law?

Go and do it in abia or lagos the beating wey you go chop go reshape your face people wey see you go think say you get tumor for face , if you are lucky den no burn you

OP you must be a slave master. The Old Testament is our history and the laws of Moses have been done away with because it is unprofitable (Heb 7:18). Taking Christians back to the Law is putting a veil over their eyes and preventing them from seeing the glory of God (2 cor 3).

alBHAGDADI:
If you are not going to obey the old testament laws, then go and sleep with your mother tonight because you are no longer to obey such an old testament law because Jesus has set you free.

Make sure you use condom.

You are a thief. You want to keep confusing people with wrong scriptures so your stream of income does not diminish. Better go and find work to do and earn a meaningful living. The pentecostal bubble has already burst for people like you. People are wiser now. Old testament is not for christians. You cannot establish any christian doctrine from there

alBHAGDADI:
If you are not going to obey the old testament laws, then go and sleep with your mother tonight because you are no longer to obey such an old testament law because Jesus has set you free.

Make sure you use condom.

You are possessed. The New Testament preaches Love. LOVE for God and love for neighbor. You clearly don't have any love in your heart that's why you need the Old Testament to guide you

alBHAGDADI:
I was expecting you to mention at least one out of the 700 laws, but you disappointed me. You are just going about screaming 700 laws which you must have heard someone say without even knowing one of them.

i think it's actually 616 abi 612

the whole of the Bible is meant be followed not one of it is to be left out. it is only satanic to start using the Bible with reasoning order spiritual.
The Holy and Scriptural Bible, Religion and it entirety is Spiritual while philosophy is about reasoning. it will be wrong to bring in reasoning to things of the spirituality.
for those bringing the issue of tithing under the argument it is meant for Old Testament and not the New Testament, Jesus Christ said in New Testament, Matthew 22:21 They say unto him, Cæsar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Cæsar the things which are Cæsar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
if Jesus Christ didn't talk about tithing then what is He trying to say here? it takes the understanding of spirituality to interpret the Holy Bible.

alBHAGDADI:
If you are not going to obey the old testament laws, then go and sleep with your mother tonight because you are no longer to obey such an old testament law because Jesus has set you free.

Make sure you use condom.

There are still part of the old testament that are still relevant for our time. There are also part of that old testament that Christ kicked against while he walked this Earth. Have you forgotten so soon how he didn't honour the Sabbath day? How can you forget so quickly, that Christ had a long conversation with a pegan at the well? He even ate with task collectors, sinners and criticized the Saducees and Pharisees?

Someone above raised a very important point about purchasing slaves and you were quick to condemn all other versions of the Bible just to sound right. Even people who are not lettered know that during Bible times up until 1833, slavery was a very big business. And we all know from history how slaves were treated. The way African slaves were treated was even mild compared to how those in Bible times treated slaves.

A real teacher of God's word will try and reason with his audience objectively and not try to defend God's word blindly. The days of people following you guys like fools is long long. If every part of the old testament must be followed then by all means buy yourself a slave, use the whip on him constantly, put him in a cage in an attempt to sell him in the market and see if you won't be set ablaze.

A fairytale book written by A Fictious White bearded Old man. 10000 years Ago, we were told. And some Gullibles are still Following A 10000 years old Rules? In Thesedays of Iphones, Facebook and World wide web?

It marvels me.

alBHAGDADI:
Yeah, it days we shouldn't hate a thief if he stole to quen hunger.

Is that a bad law?

Make I give you another one

Psalm 139 vs 9 kjv
Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

New Living Translation
Happy is the one who takes your babies and smashes them against the rocks!

You want to be happy? Christians in the house smash your kids against the rock

Please kindly follow what the Bible preaches we all believe in it

Korllami007:
Make I give you another one
Psalm 139 vs 9 kjv Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
New Living Translation Happy is the one who takes your babies and smashes them against the rocks!
You want to be happy? Christians in the house smash your kids against the rock
Please kindly follow what the Bible preaches we all believe in it

Mumu, is that a law?

alBHAGDADI:
Is the Bible talking about little children when it speaks of children?

Again, didn't I tell you that if you sell your children, it is no crime for them to be bought and owned?

That's why I advised you against procreating when you can't cater for them.

seller oh buyer oh are criminals and their names will very well be flagged by Interpol...dnt deceive people uncle,.many books where excluded from the bible,..a lot of the remaining ones still needs to be worked on....

When it comes to salvation, law saves no one and here is my believe on it according to the scripture
Hebrew 7:18-19 says

18 Yes, the old system of priesthood based on family lines was canceled because it didn’t work. It was weak and useless for saving people. 19 It never made anyone really right with God. But now we have a far better hope, for Christ makes us acceptable to God, and now we may draw near to him.(TLB)
You can check other versions too.

gypsey:
A fairytale book written by A Fictious White bearded Old man. 10000 years Ago, we were told. And some Gullibles are still Following A 10000 years old Rules? In Thesedays of Iphones, Facebook and World wide web?

It marvels me.

you forgot to add internet, pornography, stupidity, greed, madness in all departments of life and the days of complete insane nuisance.

fordunit:
There are still part of the old testament that are still relevant for our time. There are also part of that old testament that Christ kicked against while he walked this Earth. Have you forgotten so soon how he didn't honour the Sabbath day? How can you forget so quickly, that Christ had a long conversation with a pegan at the well? He even ate with task collectors, sinners and criticized the Saducees and Pharisees?

Someone above raised a very important point about purchasing slaves and you were quick to condemn all other versions of the Bible just to sound right. Even people who are not lettered know that during Bible times up until 1833, slavery was a very big business. And we all know from history how slaves were treated. The way African slaves were treated was even mild compared to how those in Bible times treated slaves.

A real teacher of God's word will try and reason with his audience objectively and not try to defend God's word blindly. The days of people following you guys like fools is long long. If every part of the old testament must be followed then by all means buy yourself a slave, use the whip on him constantly, put him in a cage in an attempt to sell him in the market and see if you won't be set ablaze.

You didn't read the OP at all. You just ran wild after reading its title.

Didn't I address that Jesus changed some aspects of the old testament and that the ones he didn't change are to still be adhere to?

Like I said, slaves are different from servants and are still somehow similar. I don't have time to start explaining g the Buble usage to you.

benedictuyi:
You are possessed. The New Testament preaches Love. LOVE for God and love for neighbor. You clearly don't have any love in your heart that's why you need the Old Testament to guide you

The old testament contains the laws amd words of Jesus our God. Jesus even said he will send the Holy Spirit to remind us of his words. Now, if you throw away the old testament, how will you know the words of Jesus written there for the Holy Spirit to remind you of?