Maximus69:
You're blessed in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ Sir!

Ditto to you

MuttleyLaff:
Ditto to you

Jesus said "Blasphemy against the son of man will be forgiven but blasphemy against God's holy spirit will not be forgiven"! Luke 12:10
You called Maximus a god you even insisted he must be a born again,simply because of the way and manner he handled the topic of discuss! 1Peter 3:15
But once you discovered that he is a student of JWs,you quickly turned against the same person having the spirit that you once eulogised from your own heart without anyone pestering you! Luke 4:18-30
Well, you can continue with your arrogance in ignorance. But know today that the light has made himself manifest to you and you hate the source for no just course! John 3:19
We JWs will continue to praise Jehovah for revealing Jesus' spiritual brothers to us, a student from their clan you unknowing praised due to words of divine wisdom protruding from him!
Hmmmmmmmm thanks to our Lord, Master and King Jesus Christ who said "wisdom will ever be justified because of her children!" Luke 7:35
You're blessed in Jesus name!

Maximus69:
Hmmm, if you know this then why not humble yourself to learn more? People today claims to be Christians because they've heard that those called by that name back then suffered for Christ! But as for what being a Christian entails,they don't know!
Jehovah's Witnesses knew that the group name Christian was a derogatory remark but the disciples loved it as everyone back then can identify them as the followers of the one executed for blasphemy!
So ordinary being a member of the movement will cost you a lot back then, therefore most of them thought they're BORN AGAIN since they've counted themselves worthy to be dishonoured for Christ's sake. But Paul made it clear to them that being 'born again' is a totally different thing from being a Christian. Those who unknowingly joined in things designated for only the born agains do fall sick and if they still don't stop participating in those things they will eventually DIE! 1Corinthians 11:27:30
Now you know that being a Christian alone is what someone needed for salvation but to participate in the government of Jesus' 1,000 years rule, you must be BORN AGAIN and that's not to be determined by your effort!

Heresy of the highest order. This is what GB teaches you people which goes in line with their doctrine of 144,000 people reigning with Christ while other Christians remain as mere humans. Totally wrong and false gospel.


The moment t you believe that Jesus is your Lord and savior and the only ticket to heaven, God immediately gives you the Holy Spirit, whether you are Jew or Gentile. Receiving the Holy Spirit is what makes you born again, and to do that, you have to first believe in Jesus, that he died and resurrected on the third day. You automatically receive the Holy Spirit upon doing that.

John 3:5-6 (KJV)
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

As seen above, Jesus stated that to be born again is to be born of the spirit i.e God giving birth to you which is attained when he pours his spirit on you. This has been taking place right from the day of Pentecost even to this very moment. Remember God said...

Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Remember that shortly after Peter and the rest followers of Jesus received the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost, they preached the Gospel and also gave about 3000 people the gift of the Holy Spirit as seen below.

Acts 2:38-41 (KJV)
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the L ORD our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added into them about three thousand souls.

As seen above, the way to receive the Holy Spirit or to be born again is some by believing in the gospel which Peter preached in the preceding verses. It is not a thing designed for just 144,000 people but for all person's able to believe in Jesus as seen in verse 39 as promised in verse 17.

Read the King James Bible for yourself and stop depending on the false doctrine from Governing Body who are lists and blinding you from the truth.

Maximus69:
Hmmm, if you know this then why not humble yourself to learn more? People today claims to be Christians because they've heard that those called by that name back then suffered for Christ! But as for what being a Christian entails,they don't know!
Jehovah's Witnesses knew that the group name Christian was a derogatory remark but the disciples loved it as everyone back then can identify them as the followers of the one executed for blasphemy!
So ordinary being a member of the movement will cost you a lot back then, therefore most of them thought they're BORN AGAIN since they've counted themselves worthy to be dishonoured for Christ's sake. But Paul made it clear to them that being 'born again' is a totally different thing from being a Christian. Those who unknowingly joined in things designated for only the born agains do fall sick and if they still don't stop participating in those things they will eventually DIE! 1Corinthians 11:27:30
Now you know that being a Christian alone is what someone needed for salvation but to participate in the government of Jesus' 1,000 years rule, you must be BORN AGAIN and that's not to be determined by your effort!

Maximus69: But Paul made it clear to them that being 'BORN AGAIN' is a totally different thing from BEING a CHRISTIAN.

Achorladey: It will be interesting to know how PAUL made this clear enough in order for us all to understand. Can you expansiate more on Paul's explanation?

Maximus69: Those who UNKNOWINGLY joined in things designated for only the BORN AGAINS do fall sick and if they still don't stop participating in those things they will eventually DIE! 1Corinthians 11:27:30


Achorladey: I want to believe you wanted to type "those who KNOWINGLY joined in things designated for only the BORN AGAINS". That's by the wayside, The scripture you cited states below........


1 Corinthians 11:27-30

27 For this reason, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an UNWORTHY MANNER will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28 A person should EXAMINE himself FIRST, and in this way let him eat the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For the one who eats and drinks without careful regard for the body eats and drinks judgment against himself. 30 That is why many of you are weak and sick, and quite a few are dead.

How can an individual eats of the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an UNWORTHY MANNER? Your perspective will be welcomed.

How can an individual EXAMINE HIMSELF FIRST BEFORE such an individual can eat of the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord? Your perspective will be welcomed.

TATIME:
Jesus said "Blasphemy against the son of man will be forgiven but blasphemy against God's holy spirit will not be forgiven"! Luke 12:10

You guys are so skilled at proof texting, you put the devil to shame

TATIME:
You called Maximus a god you even insisted he must be a born again, simply because of the way and manner he handled the topic of discuss! 1 Peter 3:15

"but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,"
- 1 Peter 3:15

You are still at your proof texting trick and lies, yeah? The brother trampled on the compliment and rubbished the gentleness and respect I accorded him, yet I never for a hold held that against him, but rather still was talking to him fondly, amorously and appreciatively

TATIME:
But once you discovered that he is a student of JWs, you quickly turned against the same person having the spirit that you once eulogised from your own heart without anyone pestering you! Luke 4:18-30

The only thing I discovered about him, is that he isnt a bright tool in the box, like I imagined him to be. One thing about me, I say it as it is, I dont mince words, I am blunt to the extent of I will call a spade a spade and not call a spade a fork. I give eulogy, compliments, credit and honour to whosoever deserves it, but it is clear in Maximus69 case, he couldnt handle and take the eulogy and compliment

TATIME:
Well, you can continue with your arrogance in ignorance. But know today that the light has made himself manifest to you and you hate the source for no just course! John 3:19

I laugh at your nonsensical way of typing. It is only an ignoranus and self deluded person that will type such things like this and believing your own lies to be truth

TATIME:
We JWs will continue to praise Jehovah for revealing Jesus' spiritual brothers to us, a student from their clan you unknowing praised due to words of divine wisdom protruding from him!

I didnt realise the so called "wisdom" was just a flash in the pan, that he actually is a a small firework that burns with a hissing sound before exploding and that my patting him on the back gesture, will make his head swell. My compliment seemed to have made him think he is more intelligent and more knowledgeable than he really is and portrays to be.

TATIME, maybe you dont know that with Act 14:12, calling Barnabas to be the Greek god Zeus, and Paul to be Hermes a Greek god associated with speed and good luck, who served as a messenger to Zeus and the other gods, is completely different to believers being called gods, same way and manner as the word of God, Jesus and the bible does, as you can see from John 10:34 above.

Wake up to reality TATIME and stop jonzing, you and Maximus69, didnt know that man became god, the moment after eating fruit.
1/ TATIME, did man, know or not know good and evil after eating the fruit? Answer now
2/ TATIME, what to your humble understanding is knowing good and evil all about? Kindly, say it with one word please. Thank you

Both you TATIME and your partner in crime Maximus69 are not able to understand things like this because you are out of your element. I already know you two, both are out of your element(s), so please accept my empathy because I realy do sympathetically understand your shortcoming and lack of depth

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmm thanks to our Lord, Master and King Jesus Christ who said "wisdom will ever be justified because of her children!" Luke 7:35
You're blessed in Jesus name!

I dare you to answer the simple and straightforward two easy questions above nwanne.

MuttleyLaff:
They are doing "wuruwuru magomago" to the answer

"A mọ ara wa, ti a ba rira wa" loosely translated means "we recognise & know ourselves when we bump into each other"

Before you go on to your area of emphasis, think about these:
1/ What was the comment made by Nicodemus, as in, what was his question and the reason for the clandestine meeting in the dead of the night or wee hours of the morning, he had with Jesus?

achorladey, trust me, if only more christians, properly read their bibles, there'd be less christians. Do they really believe that Agrippa & the people of Antioch revered Jesus that much, they called the disciples or believers ''Christ-like''? Not if in the know and understand what Agrippa & the people of Antioch meant by the term Christi-anos or Christian, abi?

Anyway, lets leave bullshit for bullshit collector, and for a moment achorladey, dip and dangle our feet, a little bit in deep end waters, not many are aware that born again precedes and preceded salvation. Fact is, in order to receive and get the gift of salvation, you'll first, have to be born again, be regenerated, as in, be born from above. Now, the disciples, Nicodemus and a lot others were already born again before getting the gift of salvation. It is highly unlikely, anyone will be born again and not have or get the gift of salvation, as anyone truly born again, receives the gift of salvation, and they will not only see the demonstrations & power of the kingdom of God but ultimately will enter into the kingdom of God

Scoffers, mockers, cynics, pagans etcetera dont and never see anything good about the kingdom and that's because they are not born again, they are not born from above, and so are not spiritually rebirthed. It's more the reason, we have atheists, it is because regeneration has not taken place in them and this why they rubbish and/or never want to acknowledge any demonstrations or power of the kingdom of God

Born again and salvation, though are not in the same category, they nonetheless are related

Notice in John 3:12-13, how Jesus is trying to get Nicodemus convinced, telling Nicodemus not to fight the belief, because it is obvious Nicodemus still was wrestling with the thought of accepting whom Jesus really is

Let's not forget that Nicodemus was a Pharisee and the Pharisees' idea of what the Messiah is and what His Kingdom would be, is different to majority of everyone's else, so Nicodemus' concern and bone of contention was, who is Jesus?. He wasnt 100% sure, if Jesus is the Messiah or not and so that was the reason for Nicodemus' clandestine and dead of the night visit, to seek the truth, to find out for himself, to know who Jesus is and isnt. He is already born again, without even realising

In the course of the meeting, Nicodemus, aside from his enquirying questions, had a problem with understanding the concept of regeneration, as the born again concept, didnt publicly need to be taught nor preached by Jesus because it is a straightforward fact and done deal affair thing, and so Jesus, incidentally was seriously surprised that Nicodemus who happens to be a teacher, didnt know about born again nor knew that born again can be a prerequisite for salvation. Seeing God's kingdom and entering into God's kingdom are not synonymous. They might be related terms, but they certainly dont have the same meaning, so Jesus explained what the criteria for entering into God's kingdom is (i.e. man be born of water and of the Spirit...) to Nicodemus

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Bunch of two clowns, just without the painted faces & the real red rosy cheek trademark smiles

Nicodemus did BELIEVE JESUS was FROM GOD, his words in John 3:2 showed that to be true, John 3:2 make a case for WE...... to show the aspect of your post that many living in Nicodemus days were already born again at least the BIBLE accounted for the miracles did by some using the name of JESUS that even the 12 disciples of JESUS created a lot of FUSS ABOUT.

2 came to Jesus at night and said to him, “Rabbi, WE KNOW THAT you are a TEACHER who has come FROM GOD. For no one could perform the miraculous signs that you do UNLESS God is with him.”

He had to come at the DEAD of the night to avoid DETECTION from his FELLOW COLLEAGUES to confirm WHAT he REALLY believes at HEART.

No wonder Jesus said he that does the truth or believe the truth no longer need the COVER of DARKNESS to express the TRUTH. John 3:21.



Regarding the DUO, the GRIP the GOVERNING BODY have over their lives no be SMALL THING, you will have noticed they see the GOVERNING BODY as JESUS' BROTHERS and there SALVATION is based in the need to CONTINUALLY support and be OBEDIENT to JESUS' BROTHER and not become BORN AGAIN as it were. The reason they tell being BORN AGAIN is meant for a certain definite number of a particular group of CHRISTIANS and the other CHRISTIAN will gain salvation but don't need to be BORN AGAIN.


Bible questions answered as captured on the jw.org website having the topic...

WHAT DOES It MEAN TO BE BORN AGAIN?

MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT BEING BORN AGAIN


MISCONCEPTION 1: A person must be BORN AGAIN to gain SALVATION or to be a CHRISTIAN.


Fact: Christ’s sacrifice provides salvation not only for those who are born again as the ones( FIRST GROUP) who will rule with Christ in heaven but also for the earthly subjects of God’s Kingdom . ( 1 John 2:​1, 2; Revelation 5:​9, 10 ) That second group of Christians have the opportunity to live forever in Paradise on earth.​— Psalm 37:29; Matthew 6:​9, 10; Revelation 21:​1-5 .

MISCONCEPTION 2: A person can CHOOSE to be BORN AGAIN.


Fact: The opportunity to have a relationship with God and gain salvation is open to all. ( 1 Timothy 2:​3, 4; James 4:8 ) However, God CHOOSES THOSE who will be BORN AGAIN, or ANOINTED with HOLY SPIRIT. According to the Bible, being born again “depends, not on a PERSON’S DESIRE or on his EFFORT, but on GOD.” ( Romans 9:​16 ) The expression “born again” can also be rendered “born from above,” confirming that the selection of those who are born again comes “from above,” or from God.​— John 3:3 , footnote.

Muttleylaff this is the mindset instill in the heart of the DUO, after all you are not forcing them to accept your teachings about this, rather it's an opportunity for them to equally act like the BEROEANS to check if what you were trying to explain were really so.



https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/what-does-it-mean-to-be-born-again/#?insight

achorladey:
Nicodemus did BELIEVE JESUS was FROM GOD, his words in John 3:2 showed that to be true, John 3:2 make a case for WE...... to show the aspect of your post that many living in Nicodemus days were already born again at least the BIBLE accounted for the miracles did by some using the name of JESUS that even the 12 disciples of JESUS created a lot of FUSS ABOUT.

2 came to Jesus at night and said to him, “Rabbi, WE KNOW THAT you are a TEACHER who has come FROM GOD. For no one could perform the miraculous signs that you do UNLESS God is with him.”

"Jesus replied,
“Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”"
- John 3:3

achorladey, why is Jesus saying "truly truly I tell you" and talking about "no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." to Nicodemus' John 3:2 blunt and opening remark, huh? Jesus, always does this, He responds to what lies at the heart of something or somebody. Jesus in John 3:3, responded to what was in the heart of Nicodemus by telling Nicodemus that no one can see and confirm all that Nicodemus has said about Him and the miraculous signs are evidence that God is with Jesus except that person is born again

In fact, scoffers, mockers, cynics, pagans etcetera dont and never see anything good about the kingdom and that's because they are not born again, they are not born from above, and so are not spiritually rebirthed. It's more the reason, we have atheists, it is because regeneration has not taken place in them and this why they rubbish and/or never want to acknowledge any demonstrations or power of the kingdom of God. They dont believe who Jesus is, that He is God and that the miraculous signs are evidence that God is with Jesus

achorladey:
He had to come at the DEAD of the night to avoid DETECTION from his FELLOW COLLEAGUES to confirm WHAT he REALLY believes at HEART.

No wonder Jesus said he that does the truth or believe the truth no longer need the COVER of DARKNESS to express the TRUTH. John 3:21

achorladey:
Regarding the DUO, the GRIP the GOVERNING BODY have over their lives no be SMALL THING, you will have noticed they see the GOVERNING BODY as JESUS' BROTHERS and there SALVATION is based in the need to CONTINUALLY support and be OBEDIENT to JESUS' BROTHER and not become BORN AGAIN as it were. The reason they tell being BORN AGAIN is meant for a certain definite number of a particular group of CHRISTIANS and the other CHRISTIAN will gain salvation but don't need to be BORN AGAIN

It is not just about reading, knowing or learning, the point is to understand. I wouldnt waste my time and explanations with the duo

achorladey:
Bible questions answered as captured on the jw.org website having the topic...
WHAT DOES It MEAN TO BE BORN AGAIN?
MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT BEING BORN AGAIN

MISCONCEPTION 1: A person must be BORN AGAIN to gain SALVATION or to be a CHRISTIAN.


Fact: Christ’s sacrifice provides salvation not only for those who are born again as the ones( FIRST GROUP) who will rule with Christ in heaven but also for the earthly subjects of God’s Kingdom . ( 1 John 2:​1, 2; Revelation 5:​9, 10 ) That second group of Christians have the opportunity to live forever in Paradise on earth.​— Psalm 37:29; Matthew 6:​9, 10; Revelation 21:​1-5 .

MISCONCEPTION 2: A person can CHOOSE to be BORN AGAIN.

Fact: The opportunity to have a relationship with God and gain salvation is open to all. ( 1 Timothy 2:​3, 4; James 4:8 ) However, God CHOOSES THOSE who will be BORN AGAIN, or ANOINTED with HOLY SPIRIT. According to the Bible, being born again “depends, not on a PERSON’S DESIRE or on his EFFORT, but on GOD.” ( Romans 9:​16 ) The expression “born again” can also be rendered “born from above,” confirming that the selection of those who are born again comes “from above,” or from God.​— John 3:3 , footnote.

Muttleylaff this is the mindset instill in the heart of the DUO, after all you are not forcing them to accept your teachings about this, rather it's an opportunity for them to equally act like the BEROEANS to check if what you were trying to explain were really so.

Exactly as I earlier said, not many are aware that born again precedes and preceded salvation and that fact is, in order to receive and get the gift of salvation, you'll first, have to be born again, be regenerated, as in, be born from above. Born Again, is similar to that David Psalm 51:10 prayer about "renew a right spirit in me" because that is exactly what has happened. It is born again and/or a reawakening of the dead spirit man by God from above.

https://www.nairaland.com/2005883/must-keep-law

I told you a long time ago that you MUST keep the whole law, you must keep every part of the law

MrPresident1:
https://www.nairaland.com/2005883/must-keep-law

I told you a long time ago that you MUST keep the whole law, you must keep every part of the law

Were the Apostles wrong to say these at the Jerusalem council meeting in Acts 15?

18 From the beginning of the world, God knoweth all his works.

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them of the Gentiles that are turned to God,

20 But that we send unto them, that they abstain themselves from filthiness of idols, and fornication, and that is strangled, and from blood.

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us, have troubled you with words, and cumbered your minds, saying, Ye must be circumcised and keep the Law: to whom we gave no such commandment,

28 For it seemed good to the holy Ghost, and to us, to lay no more burden upon you, than these necessary things.

29 That is, that ye abstain from things offered to idols, and blood, and that that is strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

MrPresident1:
https://www.nairaland.com/2005883/must-keep-law

I told you a long time ago that you MUST keep the whole law, you must keep every part of the law

OkCornel:
Were the Apostles wrong to say these at the Jerusalem council meeting in Acts 15?

18 From the beginning of the world, God knoweth all his works.

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them of the Gentiles that are turned to God,

20 But that we send unto them, that they abstain themselves from filthiness of idols, and fornication, and that is strangled, and from blood.

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us, have troubled you with words, and cumbered your minds, saying, Ye must be circumcised and keep the Law: to whom we gave no such commandment,

28 For it seemed good to the holy Ghost, and to us, to lay no more burden upon you, than these necessary things.

29 That is, that ye abstain from things offered to idols, and blood, and that that is strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

"When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all,
"You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew.
How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?"
- Galatians 2:14

"¹³For you, brothers, were called to freedom; but do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh.
Rather, serve one another in love
¹⁴For all the law is fulfilled in one word,
even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."
- Galatians 5:13-14

OkCornel:


Were the Apostles wrong to say these at the Jerusalem council meeting in Acts 15?

18 From the beginning of the world, God knoweth all his works.

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them of the Gentiles that are turned to God,

20 But that we send unto them, that they abstain themselves from filthiness of idols, and fornication, and that is strangled, and from blood.

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us, have troubled you with words, and cumbered your minds, saying, Ye must be circumcised and keep the Law: to whom we gave no such commandment,

28 For it seemed good to the holy Ghost, and to us, to lay no more burden upon you, than these necessary things.

29 That is, that ye abstain from things offered to idols, and blood, and that that is strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

You are 100% correct. These guidelines were given to people who are just coming into the law, eventually their hearts would be purified and the law would become an intrinsic part of them. What is the Law? The law is not all those over 600 statutes you listed the other day, that is the beginning of the law, the law is more than that, far far more, but it is fully summarised in these commandments of Jesus

Matthew 22:37-40
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

alBHAGDADI:
There's currently a movement out there which wants Christians to throwaway the old testament part of the Bible and just stick with the new testament alone. Those behind this movement are mostly those against tithing. They say we are not to obey old testament laws because Christ has freed us from the law. They say those who obey the old testament laws are under a curse. Below are their favourite verses

Galatians 3:10 KJV
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

James 2:10 KJV
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

They quote the above verses when you tell them that tithe is very much relevant today as it was in the days of the children of Israel. They immediately quote tonnes of old testament laws which are very difficult to follow, and tell you that you simply want them to be under the curse of the law if they dare break any of them.

The problem with such people is that they don't understand the Bible because they lack the Holy Spirit which guides into all truth. That's why they have thrown away a whole portion of the Bible and have stick with the New Testament. Even the new testament which they claim to follow, they do not believe in it.

Now, is the old testament to be thrown away? No, because it is as good for us today as it was for those of old.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

As seen above, all scripture is profitable for doctrine. It doesn't say the old testament is not profitable nor does it say it is only the new testament that is profitable. It says all scripture. God gave us the old testament so that we can learn a lot from what happened before our time because such lessons will help us during the end times.

1 Corinthians 10:11 KJV
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Now, concerning keeping old testament laws. We are to continue keeping them until Jesus Christ who died on the cross tells us otherwise. Now, he's not going to tell us otherwise because he's already stated what we need in the Bible, we just have to look therein. S, what did Jesus Christ himself said concerning the law? Let's hear him speak.

Matthew 5:17-20 KJV
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


Did you see where Jesus said he has thrown the law into the refuse dump? No, you can't find such. Rather what you'll find is him saying he came to fulfill it. He even said not one jot shall pass away. To show that what he said back in the old testament still stands, he placed a loss on whoever shall break one of the smallest of the commandments and even go ahead to teach men to do the same thing. That's why I pity those who say they won't tithe and go about teaching people against tithing on social media.

You may ask, if the laws of the old testament still stand, how come people no longer offer animal sacrifices and other practices of the old testament like ablution, keeping the Sabbath day etc?

Before I answer those questions, let me first of take you on a ride for understanding. Read the below verses.

Deutoronomy 22:5 KJV
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Leviticus 18:16 KJV
None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their unclothedness: I am the LORD.

Both verses are Old Testament laws against incest and cross-dressing. Now, the people who say we should throw away the old testament and those who say we shouldn't obey the laws of Moses are so foolish in that they do not see the error in their saying. According to them, Jesus Christ has died to set us free. Did he died so that we can now cross-dress like homosexuals and sleep with our sister or mother? An old testament law also says we are not to bow down to idols. What these people are saying is that we can now bow down to idols because Jesus has set us free. These people don't know what Jesus set us free from, they just parrot junks which they heard a social media liar say. They might even say we don't need the law to teach us what is right from wrong because the Holy Spirit living in us will do that for us. That foolish statement made them throw away the old testament. But wait, let's see who the Holy Spirit is:

John 14:26 KJV
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Holy Spirit will bring to remembrance all what Jesus told us in the Bible. Now, how will you be able to remember what Jesus said in the old testament when you've thrown it away? Or don't you know that the entire Bible is about Jesus right from Genesis chapter 1 to the last chapter of Revelations? Jesus speaking:

John 5:54 KJV
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

To be honest with you, it is not every law in the old testament that we are to obey as Christians. But how do we know which to obey from those we aren't to obey? It is by listening to Jesus, listening to what he said back then in the old testament and now in the new testament. That's how we know that the laws on ablution and Sabbath have changed.

Concerning the law against idol worshiping, did Jesus change that the law in the new testament? No he didn't. That's why we still obey that law today. What about cross-dressing and incest? Those laws still stand because he didn't change them.

Now, there are some laws which he changed in the new testament. Remember he stated through Apostle Paul that since the Levitical priesthood changed, there came a change of the law. It doesn't say the law was thrown out, it only says it changed.

Hebrews 7:12 KJV
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

The law which talked about not eating certain animals got changed in the new testament when Paul said we can eat all things.

Romans 14:2-13 KJV
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Remember the law against eating blood? That law still stands.

Genesis 9:4 KJV
But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

Acts 15:29 KJV
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

You see, whatever Jesus doesn't want us to continue with he clearly states it in the new testament. Now, whatever he didn't change about the old testament laws still remains. It means whatever he said back in the old testament must still be followed. If he didn't tell you to stop, you are not to stop. Since he hasn't told you to stop obeying the anti-cross dressing, the incest and so many laws of the old testament, why do you feel you can just wake up ome morning and stop obeying them?

John 14:15 KJV
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Where did Jesus command you that you shouldn't pay tithe any more? You will never find. The closest you find is him even upholding the law on tithing three times in the new testament. Since he hasn't told you to stop, who are you to stop paying tithe? What he said back then still stands and must be obeyed. If you go about disobeying it and telling people to disobey it too, then you will be the least in the Kingdom of God.

For all those who love to say Jesus has set them free from the curse of the law, so they are not going to obey the law, such people don't even understand that particular verse they quote. Jesus didn't set you free from the law so that you won't obey it any more. Rather, he set you free from seeing it as a means to eternal life. If you say you want to make heaven by not sinning at all i.e obeying all the law, then you will end up in hell fire. You will end up there because you can never succeed in obeying the entire law. It even becomes worst for you if you pass all but failed in one. You will be guilty of even the ones you passed.

James 2:10 KJV
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Since no man can pass the whole law without failing one, Jesus had to come and make it easy for us to make heaven. He came, passed the law without sinning or failing any. When he died, his righteousness was taken from him and given to us who believe in him, while our sin was given to him.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


All we just have to do now is believe in him and Eternal life is ours.

John 3:16 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


We are saved by Grace, not by the works of the law.

Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Does that mean since we are saved we can now bow down to idols, commit incest, not pay tithe, coveteousness, steal, cross-dress, murder etc? No, because it will mean we are disobeying the laws of the one who saved us. Guess what? we will receive spanking from him if we do such.

Hebrews 12:6 KJV
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

If you don't want God to keep spanking you, then get back to obeying his commandment which is a sign of love for him.

John 14:15 KJV
If ye love me, keep my commandments.


Obey his laws because he is...

Hebrews 13:8 KJV
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Amen

I don't know the movement against the Mosaic law to which you are referring. However, if we think about it, they seem to have a point.

It is true that, Jesus quoted and abided by the Mosaic Law. But it was AFTER Christ death that the Law ceased to be effective as rule of conduct (Eph 2:16)

But if we still think the law is binding, how then do we solve the James 2:10 issue? Of course, am not saying we throw away the Mosaic Law. There are things we can learn about God from them.

No. Those old Laws are our Guides to understanding The New Testament.

JMAN05:


I don't know the movement against the Mosaic law to which you are referring. However, if we think about it, they seem to have a point.

It is true that, Jesus quoted and abided by the Mosaic Law. But it was AFTER Christ death that the Law ceased to be effective as rule of conduct (Eph 2:16)

But if we still think the law is binding, how then do we solve the James 2:10 issue? Of course, am not saying we throw away the Mosaic Law. There are things we can learn about God from them.

What's the difference between Jesus speaking in the new testament and what he said in the old testament as seen below?

Matthew 5:44 (KJV)
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;


Exodus 23:4
If thou meet thine enemy's ox or his ass going astray, thou shalt surely bring it back to him again.

They are both talking about loving one's enemies. This clearly shows that the part of the old law which God wants us to continue with, he clearly states in the new testament. The ones he doesn't want us to do again, he also stated. Now, what happens to the ones he didn't say anything about in the new testament? It means they remain valid and must be obeyed. Whatever he said back then remains until we hear otherwise from him. Changing those things is the same as ordering people to go against them when the Bible hasn't ordered such. Changing them is the same as speaking when God hasn't spoken. The above is a clear way to know which laws are to be obey and which are not to be obeyed.

You see, when the Bible is speaking about the law being done away with, it is not saying you can now disobey those laws especially the ones that have to do with serving false gods, tattoos, cross-dressing, homosexuality etc. The Bible simply means the law is no longer a prerequisite to eternal salvation. Jesus has saved us by his grace, so we no longer need to fulfill the law to be saved. We only obey the law to show obedience to God here on Earth else we get punished, but not as a ticket to heaven. The law no longer fulfills that purpose.

orisa37:
No. Those old Laws are our Guides to understanding The New Testament.

Thank you. Example is seen below.



Matthew 5:44 (KJV)
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Exodus 23:4
If thou meet thine enemy's ox or his ass going astray, thou shalt surely bring it back to him again.

Everyone will eventually obey all the laws of moses. Jesus himself is the law of moses

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