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Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by alBHAGDADI: 4:41pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
princeade86: Read link below. https://www.nairaland.com/4957299/bible-sword-butter-knife-why |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by alBHAGDADI: 4:43pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
sacx: Stop quoting scriptures that don't answer your case. Nowhere is it written that the old testament was written for dead mean. Rather, the Bible says it was written for us alive today. 1 Corinthians 10:11 KJV Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by Xmen149(m): 4:44pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by alBHAGDADI: 4:47pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
Horlufemi: Sorry dude, you don't just create a silly table with nothing under. Kindly place 20 laws in each of those tables and see how far you will go with the falsehood you've been deceived with. You even said tithing falls under judicial commandment meant for Israel alone. The tithing Abraham and Jacob paid, were they under Israel? You just copied the above trash from a link someone posted on this thread and you think you now have a point. You know nothing dude. |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by alBHAGDADI: 4:51pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
sacx: You are the one erring here. Paul said in those verses that we are not justified by works of the law but by faith. He now went on to say this doesn't mean we should now use faith to void the law, rather we establish the law. |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by Horlufemi(m): 5:00pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Alubagdaddy If I don't pay tithe. I'll not go to heaven abi? 1 Like |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by Dhumancanvas: 5:03pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:I'm not talking about people I'm talking about you? Do you feel this powerful desire to bang your mum but the only thing stopping you is the scriptures? 1 Like |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by loswhite(m): 5:17pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI:You are just a clown and the only law in your head is go and have sex with your mama tonight...mad ppl every where |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by alBHAGDADI: 5:25pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
Dhumancanvas: That law is what judges those who do such. Without the law, then they are not committing any sin. Same with the old testament law against homosexuality. Without the law, people won't judge homosexuals. But folks like you want us to throw those laws away so that everyone can live as they like. |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by alBHAGDADI: 5:26pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
Horlufemi: If you don't pay tithe but believe in Jesus, heaven is sure for you. But God will punish you here on Earth for not paying tithe. |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by Basiliun: 6:26pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
It marvels me that some people could so labored arduously in defends of falsehoods |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by arrestdarrester: 6:51pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: No sir! The Holy Spirit is the law written in our hearts. Secondly, Galatians 3:21b says "...for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.", telling us that a law that cannot give life cannot produce righteousness. It takes the force of the fear of death for anyone to keep the law and not the power of God which the Holy Spirit epitomises. |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by frekyfrik(f): 6:55pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by frekyfrik(f): 7:19pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Matthew 5:22 KJV Mumu = fool |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by alBHAGDADI: 7:31pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
frekyfrik: Yeah, Paul is also guilty of it according to your twisted understanding of the verse. Galatians 3:1-3 (KJV) 1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by sacx: 7:59pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Did you really read that passage? It's the law of faith we establish (law of the Spirit of Christ) not the law of works (deeds of the old covenant), Have you seen this passage in scripture before? Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by sacx: 8:03pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: You don't understand what it means to be dead. What you are actually referring to as death is the culmination of a process that have already taken place in the spirit. |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by Horlufemi(m): 8:15pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: God is so loving, that he'll punish me for not paying tithe and bless another who didn't believe in him for not paying tithe? |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by alBHAGDADI: 8:31pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
Horlufemi: Do atheists pay tithe? |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by alBHAGDADI: 8:32pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
sacx: And what is the covenant? |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by sacx: 8:41pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: You tell me. From that passage, which covenant becomes obsolete (vanish away)? |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by Horlufemi(m): 8:43pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Answer my question first. |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by alBHAGDADI: 8:50pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
sacx:Attaining heaven is no more by works of the law but by believe in Jesus. That's what became obsolete, not the laws themselves. Remember Jesus said not one jot shall pass away. He even warned against disobeying even the least of the laws. But attaining heaven is no longer by obeying the laws but by believe in Jesus. |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by alBHAGDADI: 8:51pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
Horlufemi:Mention the name of the unbeliever who pays tithe first |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by sacx: 9:12pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Please how did you come about the subject of attaining heaven, from that same passage? Read that passage again and explain it; it's not talking about heaven. On attaining heaven: Did you read where Jesus said the kingdom is within you. If heaven is inside of you, why do you speak of it like some height to be attained? On Jesus saying he did not come to destroy the law, read further, he explained what he came to do. He came to fulfill it on our behalfs. If I have fulfilled the demands of a thing, why then am I still indebted to it? Let me also ask if you've seen these passages in scripture before Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by btins001: 9:29pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Anyone who preaches: The laws of the Original Covenant no longer apply to us, is our enemy! Such doctrine is undoubtedly from the pit of hell! Our enemies know this but we don't: "But if you do not obey Me, anf do all these commands...I also do this to you: And I shall appoint sudden alarm over you, wasting disease and inflamation, destroying the eyes and consumming the life. And you shall so your seed in vain, for YOUR ENEMY SHALL eat it. I shall set My face against you AND YOU SHALL BE SMITTEN BEFORE YOUR ENEMIES. And THOSE WHO HATE YOU SHALL RULE OVER YOU, and you shall flee when no one pursues you..." Lev 26:14 and ffl This is clearly happening to us right now! We might be rich in resources but who eats the good of the land?! Those who hate us--neandathals--you name them caucasians, chinese indian, arabs etc! Even our Savior, the Word of Life said: "Whoever then breaks one of the least of thesr commands, and teaches men to do so, shLl be called least in the reign of the heavens ..." Mat 5 19 Let's be alert people, we're at war-- not against flesh and blood, though. We have to humble ourselves, confess our crookedness and return to Him who called us and set us apart from all nations of the world--our Creator! |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by sacx: 9:35pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Let me also ask again. If attaining heaven is not by obeying the law, what then is the significance of the law since I can attain heaven by simply believing in Jesus? |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by OkCornel(m): 10:40pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
The OP is just trying to cause confusion, whereas, the Apostles of the early church dealt with his type in Acts 15; Acts 15 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV) 1 Then came down certain from Judea, and taught the brethren, saying, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. 2 And when there was great dissension, and disputation by Paul and Barnabas against them, they ordained that Paul and Barnabas, and certain others of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the Apostles and Elders about this question. 3 Thus being brought forth by the Church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles, and they brought great joy unto all the brethren. 4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the Church, and of the Apostles and Elders, and they declared what things God had done by them. 5 But said they, certain of the sect of the Pharisees, which did believe, rose up, saying that it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the Law of Moses. 6 Then the Apostles and Elders came together to look to this matter. 7 And when there had been great disputation, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Ye men and brethren, ye know that a good while ago, among us God chose out me, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the Gospel, and believe. 8 And God which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, in giving unto them the holy Ghost even as he did unto us. 9 And he put no difference between us and them, after that by faith he had purified their hearts. 10 Now therefore, why tempt ye God, to lay a yoke on the disciples’ necks, which neither our fathers, nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe, through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved, even as they do. 12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and heard Barnabas and Paul, which told what signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles by them. 13 And when they held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me. 14 Simeon hath declared, how God first did visit the Gentiles, to take of them a people unto his Name. 15 And to this agree the words of the Prophets, as it is written, 16 After this I will return, and will build again the Tabernacle of David, which is fallen down, and the ruins thereof will I build again, and I will set it up. 17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles upon whom my Name is called, saith the Lord which doeth all these things. 18 From the beginning of the world, God knoweth all his works. 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them of the Gentiles that are turned to God, 20 But that we send unto them, that they abstain themselves from filthiness of idols, and fornication, and that is strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, seeing he is read in the Synagogues every Sabbath day. 22 Then it seemed good to the Apostles and Elders with the whole Church to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas: to wit, Judas whose surname was Barsabas, and Silas, which were chief men among the brethren, 23 And wrote letters by them after this manner, THE APOSTLES, and the Elders, and the brethren, Unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch, and in Syria, and in Cilicia, send greeting. 24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us, have troubled you with words, and cumbered your minds, saying, Ye must be circumcised and keep the Law: to whom we gave no such commandment, 25 It seemed therefore good to us, when we were come together with one accord, to [send] chosen men unto you, with our beloved Barnabas and Paul. 26 Men that have given up their lives for the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, which shall also tell you the same things by mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the holy Ghost, and to us, to lay no more burden upon you, than these necessary things. 29 That is, that ye abstain from things offered to idols, and blood, and that that is strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. 30 Now when they were departed, they came to Antioch, and after that they had assembled the multitude, they delivered the Epistle, 31 And when they had read it, they rejoiced for the consolation. 32 And Judas and Silas being Prophets, exhorted the brethren with many words, and strengthened them. 33 And after they had tarried there a space, they were let go in peace of the brethren unto the Apostles. 34 Notwithstanding Silas thought good to abide there still. 35 Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching with many others the word of the Lord. 36 But after certain days, Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us return and visit our brethren in every city, where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do. 37 And Barnabas counseled to take with them John, called Mark. 38 But Paul thought it not meet to take him unto their company, which departed from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work. 39 Then were they so stirred, that they departed asunder one from the other, so that Barnabas took Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus. 40 And Paul chose Silas and departed, being commended of the brethren unto the grace of God. 41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, establishing the Churches. alBHAGDADI, were the Apostles wrong to conclude that the gentiles are not required to obey the Mosaic Laws as per Acts 15? Cc; Muttleylaff, bloodofthelamb 1 Like |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by OkCornel(m): 5:16am On Mar 11, 2019 |
btins001: Does it mean that the Apostles were wrong to conclude that the Gentiles were not required to keep the Mosaic Laws (Old Covenant) as per the church council meeting that held in Acts 15? Does it mean the Apostles were liars from the pit of hell? Acts 15 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV) 1 Then came down certain from Judea, and taught the brethren, saying, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. 2 And when there was great dissension, and disputation by Paul and Barnabas against them, they ordained that Paul and Barnabas, and certain others of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the Apostles and Elders about this question. 3 Thus being brought forth by the Church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles, and they brought great joy unto all the brethren. 4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the Church, and of the Apostles and Elders, and they declared what things God had done by them. 5 But said they, certain of the sect of the Pharisees, which did believe, rose up, saying that it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the Law of Moses. 6 Then the Apostles and Elders came together to look to this matter. 7 And when there had been great disputation, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Ye men and brethren, ye know that a good while ago, among us God chose out me, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the Gospel, and believe. 8 And God which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, in giving unto them the holy Ghost even as he did unto us. 9 And he put no difference between us and them, after that by faith he had purified their hearts. 10 Now therefore, why tempt ye God, to lay a yoke on the disciples’ necks, which neither our fathers, nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe, through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved, even as they do. 12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and heard Barnabas and Paul, which told what signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles by them. 13 And when they held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me. 14 Simeon hath declared, how God first did visit the Gentiles, to take of them a people unto his Name. 15 And to this agree the words of the Prophets, as it is written, 16 After this I will return, and will build again the Tabernacle of David, which is fallen down, and the ruins thereof will I build again, and I will set it up. 17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles upon whom my Name is called, saith the Lord which doeth all these things. 18 From the beginning of the world, God knoweth all his works. 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them of the Gentiles that are turned to God, 20 But that we send unto them, that they abstain themselves from filthiness of idols, and fornication, and that is strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, seeing he is read in the Synagogues every Sabbath day. 22 Then it seemed good to the Apostles and Elders with the whole Church to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas: to wit, Judas whose surname was Barsabas, and Silas, which were chief men among the brethren, 23 And wrote letters by them after this manner, THE APOSTLES, and the Elders, and the brethren, Unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch, and in Syria, and in Cilicia, send greeting. 24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us, have troubled you with words, and cumbered your minds, saying, Ye must be circumcised and keep the Law: to whom we gave no such commandment, 25 It seemed therefore good to us, when we were come together with one accord, to [send] chosen men unto you, with our beloved Barnabas and Paul. 26 Men that have given up their lives for the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, which shall also tell you the same things by mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the holy Ghost, and to us, to lay no more burden upon you, than these necessary things. 29 That is, that ye abstain from things offered to idols, and blood, and that that is strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. 30 Now when they were departed, they came to Antioch, and after that they had assembled the multitude, they delivered the Epistle, 31 And when they had read it, they rejoiced for the consolation. 32 And Judas and Silas being Prophets, exhorted the brethren with many words, and strengthened them. 33 And after they had tarried there a space, they were let go in peace of the brethren unto the Apostles. 34 Notwithstanding Silas thought good to abide there still. 35 Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching with many others the word of the Lord. 36 But after certain days, Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us return and visit our brethren in every city, where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do. 37 And Barnabas counseled to take with them John, called Mark. 38 But Paul thought it not meet to take him unto their company, which departed from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work. 39 Then were they so stirred, that they departed asunder one from the other, so that Barnabas took Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus. 40 And Paul chose Silas and departed, being commended of the brethren unto the grace of God. 41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, establishing the Churches. |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by Mabpaine(m): 8:29am On Mar 11, 2019 |
MissRaine69:Miss Raine, are you an Atheist? |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by Horlufemi(m): 9:18am On Mar 11, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: I'll like to see this stated in the Bible. God is so loving, that he'll punish me for not paying tithe and bless another who didn't believe in him for not paying tithe? Please don't beat about the bush and answer my question. 1 Like |
Re: Are We Truly Not To Obey The Old Testament Laws Anymore? by MissRaine69(f): 9:46am On Mar 11, 2019 |
Mabpaine:I commented on a thread. My affiliations regarding faith is a personal matter. |
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