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Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by CoolUsername: 6:28pm On Mar 11, 2019 |
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Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by CoolUsername: 7:36pm On Mar 11, 2019 |
Abuheekmat: I'm not a Christian, dude. And this thread is to address pedophilia in Islam. Funny how you resort to taking potshots at Christianity when your religion is being criticized. Don't you have your own standards? Also, what moral authority do you have to condemn homosexuality when the founder of your religion diddled a 9 year old when he was 54? 4 Likes |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by Nobody: 10:20pm On Mar 11, 2019 |
LMAO!! |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by CAPSLOCKED: 10:59pm On Mar 11, 2019 |
CoolUsername: AND HIS FOLLOWERS IN THIS DAY DIDDLE UNDER 12'S, ALL IN THE NAME OF EMULATING THE PROPHET, AS IF SÈX WITH CHILDREN WAS THE ONLY FEAT HE ACHIEVED THAT QUALIFIES FOR EMULATION. 2 Likes |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by CoolUsername: 12:56am On Mar 12, 2019 |
CAPSLOCKED: Give them some credit, they also wage war on unbelievers and stone women to death. As Allah intended. 3 Likes |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by tartar9(m): 9:08am On Mar 12, 2019 |
CoolUsername:There is nothing wrong in their marriage.Not a single soul complained even from amongst his enemies who were ever in search of any excuse to discredit Him.Just in the 19th century in your so-called "advanced countries",the legal age of marriage was 12 for women. 1 Like |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by rekinomtla(m): 9:52am On Mar 12, 2019 |
How are atheists criticizing aisha marriage when they believe society is the source of morality? If the marriage was normal and accepted by the society back then, then the atheist has no valid objections. You can't have your cake and eat it too, either morality is relative/subjective or it is not. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by malvisguy212: 10:05am On Mar 12, 2019 |
rekinomtla:cc johnydon22 come and answer this question. |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by CoolUsername: 10:32am On Mar 12, 2019 |
tartar9: Which is horrible, but at least there's a significant chance that a 12 year old girl has begun puberty. Also, marrying a 12 year old does not fall under the strictest definition of paedophilia but rather hebophilia, which is still horrible but marginally less so than paedophilia. Furthermore, you would expect that a man chosen by Allah, a so-called perfect man to not be paedophile. Why should he follow the barbaric ways of the past when he's supposed to be a timeless example of perfection? |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by CoolUsername: 10:37am On Mar 12, 2019 |
rekinomtla: Simple, if Mohammed was not a perfect man - which he wasn't, since he was a paedophile - Islam is a baseless belief. In addition, his sexual perversion is used in the Islamic world to justify their own sexual perversion. Making Islam an actively dangerous belief. |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by CoolUsername: 10:37am On Mar 12, 2019 |
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Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by johnydon22(m): 10:37am On Mar 12, 2019 |
malvisguy212:I actually agree with him. An atheist or someone with secular moral background has no basis to morally condemn that |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by Nobody: 10:38am On Mar 12, 2019 |
I don’t believe in objective morality, but I think there are certain things which we, as humans, can point to as universal wrongs (or at least close to universal wrongs) because they are deemed to be "wrong" across cultures and time periods. For example, if you asked a person living in the year 1000 in Germany if it was wrong to murder someone, they would say yes, just like someone living in 1800 in Indonesia and someone living right now in America. This is vastly different than other moral claims that are more culturally specific, like whether or not underage marriage is morally wrong. The answers to that question would be hugely different across cultures and time periods, and even within the same culture and same time period. So my best definition for a violation of "human rights" would be a time when someone has done something that humanity as a whole has largely deemed to be wrong, harmful, or illegal. Murder, genocide, and rape would all fall into those categories. My own personal moral code is really straightforward: anything that I do that directly harms another person is wrong 1 Like |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by johnydon22(m): 10:40am On Mar 12, 2019 |
CoolUsername:You did not really answer his question bro. READ IT AGAIN rekinomtla: |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by malvisguy212: 10:44am On Mar 12, 2019 |
johnydon22:so there is nothing wrong if a 90 years old man get marry to a 9 years old girl just because some community say its okay ? the Holocaust is good because the Nazi German benefit from it, at least they reduce the population of the Jews. smh 2 Likes |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by Rilwayne001: 10:51am On Mar 12, 2019 |
malvisguy212: Your mumu never do? You've totally veered off the main point as usual. 5years on, you still lack comprehension. SMH |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by Rilwayne001: 10:53am On Mar 12, 2019 |
rekinomtla: This solves it. But you know nairaland atheists are not truly atheist in the real sense of atheism, so you don't expect him to think deep on this. 1 Like |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by malvisguy212: 10:53am On Mar 12, 2019 |
johnydon22:so atheists cannot condemn a society were the people eat human flesh just because there culture support it ? |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by malvisguy212: 10:56am On Mar 12, 2019 |
Rilwayne001:would you give your daughter hand in marriage to a 90 years old man just because Muhammad did same ? |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by CoolUsername: 10:59am On Mar 12, 2019 |
johnydon22: While I believe that morality is indeed subjective, we all still make judgements based on it, no matter how socially libertarian you may be, you still make mortal decisions based on your personal view. Or else, there's really no other way for anyone to make judgements. Also, I don't think that supporters of paedophilia outnumber people who are against. So, even going by that standard, Mohammed is still in the wrong. |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by johnydon22(m): 11:00am On Mar 12, 2019 |
malvisguy212:Read what i said again. i didn't say any of these things were right or wrong, i didn't state a moral position. Simply said i agree with the poster who stated an atheist lacks basis to make moral condemnation except of course on the grounds of personal opinions. |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by malvisguy212: 11:00am On Mar 12, 2019 |
rekinomtla:back then the people accepted it and it was there culture. how about now ? is this culture good ? would you give your daughter hand in marriage to an old man just because the Quran say it alright ? 3 Likes |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by johnydon22(m): 11:04am On Mar 12, 2019 |
CoolUsername:This reduces moral judgements to opinions, you may say Muhammed was wrong, another may say he is right - since we are all making subjective moral judgements, neither opinion out weights the other. A subjective moral basis is meaningless. Morality at best is intersubjective and require fundamental beliefs about the moral subjects that translates into the moral weight of a given action. Since Muhammed was clearly acting based an accepted moral structure of his time - he is far from being wrong. Judging something that happened 1500 years ago with the moral or even legal framework of today, doesn't follow. Unless you are saying that morality is objective and remains unchanged and binding - which i am sure you are not saying. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by johnydon22(m): 11:05am On Mar 12, 2019 |
malvisguy212: An atheist can, but such moral condemnations require a basis that transcends secular moral conclusions. |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by malvisguy212: 11:09am On Mar 12, 2019 |
johnydon22:I understand you bro. but what the Muslim guy wrote is another excuse to justify under age marriage . |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by johnydon22(m): 11:15am On Mar 12, 2019 |
malvisguy212:Actually it is not. His argument was against the atheists who were condemning the act even though they mostly think that morality is subjective and socially defined. So, if an atheist say that morality is socially defined and is local, then on what ground does such a person stand to condemn an action socially acceptable as good in the given society and time it was acted on? For an atheist to make such argument, he must by implication be accepting that morality is objective therefore doesn't matter what a society says is right or wrong - right or wrong remains the same everywhere through every time, and i believe coolusername is not saying morality is objective |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by Rilwayne001: 11:16am On Mar 12, 2019 |
malvisguy212: I would not do that because we are no longer in the 6th century. Lots of things have changed over time and there's a change in the societal rules and norms. We are in a different part of the world here with a different societal rules and norms. You quite know such marriage of 54 year old man marrying a 9year old girl was the order of the day back then and no one sees any wrong in it. The major reason why someone said earlier on on this thread that had it been it was worse back then as you're trying to paint it now, those his haters would have come hard on him with great criticism that will be attached to history books for eternity, but because it was the norms and culture back then, no one saw Amy wrong and everything went by. You know quite well these is a fact but you still out of your hatred for anything that has to do with Islam, feign ignorance and painting it so dark when actually we have similar scenario between Mary and Joseph too. |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by johnydon22(m): 11:20am On Mar 12, 2019 |
Rilwayne001:DNA really? Common bro. You are theist right? I do not think you should find anything morally wrong with this action since in theism morality isn't defined by the society but by a transcendent authority. |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by Rilwayne001: 11:24am On Mar 12, 2019 |
johnydon22: That was a mistake, I've corrected it. You are theist right? I do not think you should find anything morally wrong with this action since in theism morality isn't defined by the society but by a transcendent authority. The Quran did not specify the age of marriage for either party, What the Sharia mentioned is whenever the individuals feel ready, financially and emotionally. So what transcendental authority are you referring to in this regard |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by johnydon22(m): 11:26am On Mar 12, 2019 |
Rilwayne001:Ok God himself is the transcendent assumption upon which theistic morality is built. The fundamental argument of theism on morality is that "morality is objective" Unless you are saying morality is socially defined and not given by defined by God. |
Re: Muslim Apologists Defending Paedophilia. by rekinomtla(m): 11:30am On Mar 12, 2019 |
CoolUsername: You labeling him as a paedophile according to the customs and views of your society. People of his time did not share your views. You can't subscribe to moral relativism and at the same time condemn people from different societies as pedophiles. In addition, his sexual perversion is used in the Islamic world to justify their own sexual perversion. Making Islam an actively dangerous belief. They have a different view than you regarding marriage. You can't condemn them for that and simultaneously say morality is relative. 1 Like |
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