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| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by iammo(m): 7:10pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
masseratti:... They don't pay income tax sure, but hackney permit and other government permit is a form of taxation, including license etc, again each garage pays land use charge. And this drivers factor in cost of depreciation on their vehicle due to bad road as a tokunbo car used for transportation hardly last 3years.. again saying They do more harm to our economy is pure falasy in the real sense they are the back bone holding this economy |
| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by VolvoS60(m): 7:14pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
abbey621:^^^ You avoided addressing even one of the points I raised and instead chose to focus on inanities. Until you are able to refute anything I have said then consider this exchange closed. Do have a good day, sir. |
| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by abbey621(m): 7:15pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
masseratti:Open up the Nigerian Constitution and show me a law they violated. In addition, show me the case against them in the court of law. This is very simple, almost every sector in Nigeria participates in one union or the other, the rules for each union are agreed to by its members. An outsider has no voice in its matters, just like the military, when one of it's officers errs, they face a tribunal or military court. NURTW is legally eigstered in Nigeria, they pay taxes just like most entities, your emotional disdain for them does not make them illegitimate....okay! |
| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by abbey621(m): 7:16pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
VolvoS60:Why would I refute anything when you are not a member? If you have solid grievances against the union, sue them....SIMPLE! Don't bother me wih your emotional imbalance! |
| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by VolvoS60(m): 7:31pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
iammo:^^^ The concept of a transport workers union is not harmful to society. After all these unions exist the world over. The problem is what the NURTW has done in Nigeria and what it continues to do. That is what earlier posts were attacking. I am no Einstein but recognizing a problem for what it is is the first step to solving it - and if this is called stating the obvious then I have no problems sounding like a broken record. The violence and 'taxation without representation' associated with this so called union must stop. Their role as auxiliary political thugs and enforcers must stop. They are a nuisance on the roads and are directly or indirectly responsible for heavy traffic in virtually every major metropolis in this country. But of course, Nigerians have to want the NURTW problem to stop for it to stop. And the sad truth is that Nigerians are not yet ready for this. They prefer the status quo. |
| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by VolvoS60(m): 7:54pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by lexy2014: 8:32pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
They even have website |
| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by masseratti: 8:52pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
abbey621:i don't need to open the constitution for you for you to know the laws they violate, 1st the union is not chattered that means anyone carrying out similar business to what they are doing is free to join or not, 2ndly they constitute public nuisance which is same as disturbing the peace, a common terminology by our able police when they are rounding up protesters, they levy taxes on non members, which is against the law.e.g.market women. I don't care what the statues of NURTW is, but when the action of a group of people affects me, affects the public, the public has all the voice to call on the government to regulate their activities or else all other unions and associations will operate any how they like, we are not in banana Republic. |
| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by masseratti: 9:03pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
iammo:oga please don't go there and try to justify what you have no idea of.... I have owned vehicles that operate with them, I interact with some of their leaders, most of them don't even know where the gear of a vehicle is anymore, which garage in Lagos are they paying land use charges and to who? Where is the receipts? Hackney permits is the only thing they pay to the local government, that' is as good as the corporate tax your company pays to the government, but no personal income tax that you pay, and they enjoy the same privilege you enjoy in the public sphere, imagine the hoards of NURTW employees paying income tax rather than paying one over load among them, imagine what they will contribute into the coffers, anytime there is fuel shortage the union increases its fees and the dri er has to pay, which is transferred to the passenger, who has no choice, because he or she has to get to his or her place of work, and when the scarcity is over this cretins will refuse to reduce their levys, Which union in the world or association levys his members everyday for sake of God, to do what exactly? |
| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by Nobody: 9:13pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
Tinubu boys. |
| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by iammo(m): 9:16pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
masseratti:You are neither a commercial driver nor their contracted representative, you can't speak on why They should contribute towards their unionism or not contribute except They solicited your assistance for such, that been cleared I ask you to make real findings on land use charge collected by LGA from car park chairmen and even petty traders occupying spaces around... as for complaints about fares Nigeria runs an open market and They hold every right to set their prices as They deem fit, if government wants to control their prices then it's only option is through subsidy for passengers |
| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by abbey621(m): 11:26pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
masseratti:Then call on the government to regulate them, don't whine on the internet wasting kinetic energy. We all agree the governement has been inept since 1960, yet you believe the government will actually reform NURTW? Laughable! The NURTW is backed by the trade union act of 2005, they are a legal entity. If they are making life hard for you and you can prove that what they are doing is illegal, sue them! It is far more plausible for the members to riot and command change than for you to continue using precious MB for a lost cause, think am well! |
| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by masseratti: 11:47pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
abbey621:what the OP did today is a step of many to come, he created awareness, not too long ago you were implying that their actions is nobody's business, all I did was to point it out to you that it's actually the Public business what they do, if you took your time to read well, the OP called on the new governments in various states to look into their activities, yes there are other much more effective ways, but what op did should not be condemned, better late than never, who knows a legislator might see this at state of federal level and sponsor a bill, heck if I have money for lawyers fees I will get the best SANs and sue them for public good, it can be done. |
| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by abbey621(m): 11:56pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
masseratti:You people overhype yourselves! Nairaland is not the proper medium to create your so called awareness, to think otherwise is to stay delusional. The dilemma you have is that majority of NURTW members don't see a problem with their union, majority of those who are financially average or above couldn't care less about NURTW issues, so that leaves those who rant online and those too poor to sue the government for ineptness. Do you now see that you're fighting a lost cause? Like I said before, think am well! |
| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by masseratti: 11:57pm On Mar 19, 2019 |
iammo:local Government does not collect land use charges, if you don't know please don't make up name for whatever the LGA collects or does not to give the impression that it's legal, that said, what local government is entitled to collect is hackney permits, and it's strictly for motor parks, not bus stops as NURTW has bastardized it, that in it self is breach of law, public nuisance, they don't pay anyone for bus stops, if its an open market as you said, can i go and buy ten busses set my price lower than theirs and drop of passengers at "government" designated bus stops without any resistance from the NURTW cartel? The answer is no, NURTW is not bigger than the public they are menace to the society, the government do not need to control prices or subsidies for passengers, it's an open market for God's sake anybody should be able to do transport business on public roads after collecting the necessary permits from the government without joining any association. |
| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by masseratti: 10:27am On Mar 20, 2019 |
abbey621:just wait there and be in the analog age, the internet is a great way to create an awareness on an issue, saying NURTW members don't have an issue with the status quo is as good as saying North Koreans are happy they don't have the freedom to leave their country or express themselves without fear, a case study of how social media can change things is Sars issues, it started online, government responded, just few weeks ago sapele girl issue trend online, now Delta state government responded, her school is being renovated as at now, that's the power of awareness, what op did is to bring a matter on the social media instead of you to lend a support for whatever reason you were against it right from your 1st post, if you think that you are aloof and you have a car their activities does not affect you, that's a big lie, they slow you down on the road, causing traffic due to the money they want to collect on the road, they are the no 1 cause of dents, crash and accidents on Lagos road, and you said they don't affect you, they are the main reason you buy foodstuffs at 100 naira last month and it's 120 this month, and you said it does not affect you, while your income stay static, theirs goes up geometrically most times without any reasonable reasons, they have to be regulated, if not telecoms operators can wake up any day and tell you 1 mins is now 1 thousand naira,and there is nothing you will do about it because they now have a union of telecom providers. |
| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by abbey621(m): 12:16pm On Mar 20, 2019 |
masseratti:Are we just pulling statistics out of our butts now? Number one cause of dents, crash and accidents on Lagos roads remains bad roads and reckless driving, stop fabricating data! Sars issue, what came of it? Do we still have SARS or not? You are still missing the point, absence of suing them to court or government getting more involved, there is no btter remedy than for the members of NURTW to revolt and command change. You are banking on government to respond to your online campaign and I admire your optimism, unfortunately I have no such hope in the government. Furthermore, I fail to see how NURTW menace is solely reponsible for rising cost of food items? What role does importation play? What roles do traffic and bad roads play? What about a free market economy, where traders are allowed to set their own prices? Look at the banking sector and housing sector? Is NURTW responsible for the rising cost there too? |
| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by masseratti: 12:44pm On Mar 20, 2019 |
abbey621:Nigerian is not the only country with bad roads, go to Lagos Island, tell me how many roads there are bad, the no 1 cause of accidents on most Lagos cars is NURTW members reckless driving, it's a site we see everyday, I can't count the number of times those guys have bashed my cars, my relatives cars, friends cars, how does a bad road dent your car? Or cause scratches on your cars? If you ve had suck experience please let me know, Sars yes it cab get better but to a large degree their assault on individuals has reduced, except you are not in Nigeria and never had an experience with them before, there are many ways of putting pressure on government to take actions, not only suing the union, what happened when you go to court and you win your case, government refuse to enforce the judgment, order or ruling?is not this same government that is selective in what they want to obey or not? How can their members revolt when means of communication in their union is by force and intimidation, no freedom of expression, or you will play ignorant that you are not aware of that? They fight, kill themselves to get to different positions, on the cost of foods, no where did i say they solely responsible, but they take the lion share in that matter, they increase the cost of transporting foodstuffs anyhow, collect unnecessary levies from market women, for what exactly? To who is the money going to? |
| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by abbey621(m): 1:00pm On Mar 20, 2019 |
masseratti:My friend can you show me credible satistics showing the number one cause of accidents on Lagos roads is wreckless driving by NURTW members? When you say Lagos Island please be specific, there are plenty of bad roads on Lagos Island, plenty of horrible traffic due to bad and congested roads. SARS is still very much active, come to Ibadan and see how they kill without remorse especially yahoo boys. Furthermore you just acknowledge that going to court or using the government is in effective, what then is your argument? I've said that only a true revolt from its members can effect the change you seek and you still argue? Na wa o! |
| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by masseratti: 3:11pm On Mar 20, 2019 |
abbey621:please show me how many yahoo boys Sars operatives have killed in Ibadan for the last 6 months, I don't know where plenty of bad roads are on Lagos Island in comparative with other areas, most roads on the island are good, stats to show you no 1 cause of a road accident, FRSC can help you with that or LASTMA, not me, of what good will that do me to go and dig up statistics for you? Pay my bills? Comprehension and understanding matters not winning arguments, you said they should go to court, and I point it out to you that even going to court, is a part of it but not the ultimate, what op has done which you are condemning because you know it all and you are the defender of NURTW is part of collective ways reforms can be brought into the activities of road transporters, èsp NURTW by the governments, social media, court, bills at the state or National assembly, condemning any method is totally unacceptable. |
| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by abbey621(m): 3:42pm On Mar 20, 2019 |
masseratti:You're still speaking jargon! You said and I quote "Go to Lagos Island and show me how many bad roads are there", my friend there are plenty of bad roads there, come to Idumota, come to Obalende and even parts of Ikoyi, it might not be as much as Mushin or Ojota but it's not London. The number one cause of accidents remains bad roads and poor driving(speeding), not only do I have family and friends working in LATSMA and other Lagos agencies, simple logic tells you that if the road is poor, the chances of accidents increase, so I don't know what you are arguing here. If you have facts that prove otherwise, give me the link or keep quiet, you can't just make a bold assertion and expect people to drink up your zobo. The SARS issue, there is no need to argue with you, do you live in Ibadan? Because I have friends and family there also and SARS is still very active in arresting and torturing boys, in 2018 I spent almost 5 months there, come see horror stories. People are being detained , some are killed and covered up that hey tried to escape but until it happens to your family member or friends, you won't really see it. Just like the NURTW issues, for the average well to do person like me, I'm not concerned, the people that should be concerned are the transport workers and the daily commuters relying on public transport. Which brings us full circle back to my initial point, banging drums and writing epistle on Nairaland is all good and fun but if you want real reform, the members must demand it. They could strike, they could leave the union, they could elect new excos and so on. If you are waiting for government to interfere through social media post, my friend you go wait tire o! |
| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by masseratti: 5:35pm On Mar 20, 2019 |
abbey621:average well to do like you and you are not concerned with activities of public bus drivers? If God has blessed you to the extent of owning a brand new cars you will no that the no 1 cause of accidents in Lagos is Danfo drivers #facts, Lagos Island is not London... But if you know London very well you will know that some boroughs do have pot holes,cracks on the road, how many vehicles moves at a speed of more than 40km/h that a pot hole will be a cause of accidents on the road on Lagos Island, reckless driving of the NURTW is legendary. SARS in Ibadan killing people in the last 6 month and you mean the people of Ibadan are so timid and not enlightened they allowed that to happen without crying out loud, Oga you win... If they shout and whine on internet since you don't believe in their methods, hold your peace is you can't encourage them, please don't discourage the OP if you are OK with the menace NURTW is constituting in the Public... Go to sane clime and see how unionists operates, common Ghana is there, they collect money on the road too but with decorum, why must we be different? These things started Infront of us and it can end with a good leader, just like Tinubu cleared Apongbon, Fashola cleared Oshodi, if we shout enough, One leader one day will clear, regulate the activities of NURTW, like I said, I can see you are good with twist and turns, you win oooo you win happy now, when next you see a thread like this if you can't appreciate them, just let them be, this is their own way of shaping public issues, thank You. |
| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by abbey621(m): 5:43pm On Mar 20, 2019 |
masseratti:This is where you are wrong, on a public forum, all opinions are fair game. Just because you disagree with mine does not negate my opinion nor does it make yours anymore relevant. We've aleady established that you know nothing about the plight of Ibadan people so let's just leave that, we've also established that you are not able to supply statistics showing number one cause of accidents is danfo drivers hence your argument is just an opinion, just like mine. Let's just agree to disagree, no need of epistles...okay! |
| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by masseratti: 6:12pm On Mar 20, 2019 |
abbey621:I said you won nau |
| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by Kfed4ril(m): 7:04pm On Mar 20, 2019 |
BORNTOSUCKPUSSY:Bros the way them take Dey hype that Lagos ehh e tire me, I went to Lagos for the first time in 2016 and immediately I knew I could never ever settle in Lagos after experiencing Abuja for about 17 years. The difference between Lagos and other states in Nigeria is that Lagos over task it’s residents to generate more IGR and maybe there are more job opportunities. Finish. |
| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by boyjo: 7:18pm On Mar 20, 2019 |
Can NURTW be scrapped? Because,it needs to be scrapped. I don`t like how they deal with drivers and conductors, extorting money from them. It is evil and needs to stop. `Anyone with a clear cut strategy on how to go about stopping this? |
| Re: NURTW: The Pains and Agony A Union Is Causing Nigerians - AutoReportNG by lereinter(m): 10:55pm On Mar 20, 2019 |
A menace, gangster organization They abuse alcohol and drugs publicly in the presence of police personnel How do their leaders recruit those boys that cause nuisance on Ibadan roads forcefully collecting 50naira from motorists at every road junction What ever the reason(s) for their establishment it has been defeated nurtw is a symptom of Nigeria been a failed state
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we dont know what is nurtw ...we dont know what is hold up....we dont know what is pothole....i wonder how do ppl survive in that lagos sef 