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SillyMods:
You're missing the big picture which is that the card reader stores and transmits number of accredited voters but NOT THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF VOTES OR WHO VOTERS ACTUALLY VOTED FOR.

Number of accredited voters is different from number of votes in the sense that there could be accredited voters who didn't vote (I personally saw voters leaving behind one or two ballot papers unmarked. Many got the three ballots but only used one!).

Again, the card reader didn't record the party a voter voted for. So, how did Atiku arrive at those figures from the so-called INEC server which doesn't contain such?

Oga,comprehend. Let me give you example :
Accredited voters:1.2million
Valid votes 1.1million
Rejected /viod votes:100,000

Results
Apc: 800,000
Pdp: 750,000
Others: 50,000
Result total: 1.6million
Can you see that the result total is above the number if accredited voters by 400,000.
Now, inec will have to explain to the courts, where the extra 400,000voters came from.

Trolla:
I believe that's INEC's and APC's headache to worry about, I believe the court is more interested in the evidence and its validity, rather than the means through which it was gotten

And why would anyone accept Atiku's purported INEC's sever report as evidence when he's not the person responsible to have it or present it as a valid document.

If INEC presents their own version of the server's results, isn't the one Atiku brandishing useless since he's not the right authority to be in its possession?

What even makes you accept what Atiku is flaunting as the correct result?

nwanyionitsha:
Oga,comprehend. Let me give you example :
Accredited voters:1.2million
Valid votes 1.1million
Rejected /viod votes:100,000

Results
Apc: 800,000
Pdp: 750,000
Others: 50,000
Result total: 1.6million
Can you see that the result total is above the number if accredited voters by 400,000.
Now, inec will have to explain to the courts, where the extra 400,000voters came from.

What makes you think what Atiku and PDP are presenting have not been tampered with?

SillyMods:
What makes you think what Atiku and PDP are presenting have not been tampered with?

Card readers have number of accredited voters.

SillyMods:
Atikuloser, collation officers only transmit results manually. It's what has been announced manually that is latter stored in INEC database.

The card reader only sends record of accredited voters and not result of the actual voting because the card reader wouldn't know who voted for which party.

Whatever that was transmitted manually will be updated in the data base...right?
Atiku said that the database figures shows that he won with a margin of about 1.6million votes.

He did not say that the figure transmitted by the card reader show he won the election, but the one in the database. Whether it was transmitted manually or through the card reader is no longer the problem.

They should allow Atiku to prove his case in court of law.Period.

nwanyionitsha:
Card readers have number of accredited voters.

This doesn't answer my question. Again, what makes you think Atiku and his team are flaunting the correct results in the so-called INEC server?

SillyMods:
And why would anyone accept Atiku's purported INEC's sever report as evidence when he's not the person responsible to have it or present it as a valid document.

If INEC presents their own version of the server's results, isn't the one Atiku brandishing useless since he's not the right authority to be in its possession?

What even makes you accept what Atiku is flaunting as the correct result?

Now you're talking, that's where we're all headed to, the validity of the evidence (All what INEC is saying on first page about no e-transmission is balderdash, especially when they exquisitely provided a platform for it and mandated the PO's to use it) , if its true, then Atiku has a very strong case else his case is DOA
I haven't accepted Atiku's evidence as true just yet, though i admit i'm bias in his favor.
As regards the bold, INEC presenting their own version doesn't necessarily invalidate Atiku's version, what if its the case of a mole, in INEC's ICT or Leadership. This is just one scenario i can think of that would make it difficult for INEC to easily invalidate Atiku's claim, there are other ways of course but generally when you present an evidence, you want to make sure it's difficult to refute or fool-proof

Psoul:
Whatever that was transmitted manually will be updated in the data base...right?
Atiku said that the database figures shows that he won with a margin of about 1.6million votes.

He did not say that the figure transmitted by the card reader show he won the election, but the one in the database. Whether it was transmitted manually or through the card reader is no longer the problem.

What makes you think Atiku and his team have not tampered with the server? Could they have hacked INEC server to get access to the result? If yes, which is very likely, could they have tampered with the results to suit their claim of being the winner of the election? Definitely!

OGHENAOGIE:
pdp are just hallucinating with this nonsense that will not get them anywhere...tueh...atiku lost fair and square...if you repeat this exercise atiku ll still lose

I thought you were supporting atiku

Trolla:
Now you're talking, that's where we're all headed to, the validity of the evidence, if its true, then Atiku has a very strong case else his case is DOA
I haven't accepted Atiku's evidence as true just yet, though i admit i'm bias in his favor.
As regards the bold, INEC presenting their own version doesn't necessarily invalidate Atiku's version, what if its the case of a mole, in INEC's ICT or Leadership this is just one i can think of that would make it difficult for INEC to easily invalidate Atiku's claim, there are other ways of course, generally when you present an evidence, you want to make sure it's difficult to refute or fool-proof

Kudos.

But Atiku will be the one to prove authenticity of his own result or prove that INEC's result is not the correct version. In that case, Atiku will somehow have to score an own goal by revealing who was compromised or how he hacked INEC system to get the result he has. If we get to that level, all his evidences will have been tainted and unreliable since he will have shown that he used illegal means to get certain info from INEC's system.

We don't have to be a lawyer to know that he has one way or the other shot himself in the foot.

nwanyionitsha:
Oga,comprehend. Let me give you example :
Accredited voters:1.2million
Valid votes 1.1million
Rejected /viod votes:100,000

Results
Apc: 800,000
Pdp: 750,000
Others: 50,000
Result total: 1.6million
Can you see that the result total is above the number if accredited voters by 400,000.
Now, inec will have to explain to the courts, where the extra 400,000voters came from.

The extra number is from manual accreditation which the law recognises.card reader is only meant to aid manual accreditation and not replace it.

Trolla:
Now you're talking, that's where we're all headed to, the validity of the evidence (All what INEC is saying on first page about no e-transmission is balderdash, especially when they exquisitely provided a platform for it and mandated the PO's to use it) , if its true, then Atiku has a very strong case else his case is DOA
I haven't accepted Atiku's evidence as true just yet, though i admit i'm bias in his favor.
As regards the bold, INEC presenting their own version doesn't necessarily invalidate Atiku's version, what if its the case of a mole, in INEC's ICT or Leadership. This is just one scenario i can think of that would make it difficult for INEC to easily invalidate Atiku's claim, there are other ways of course but generally when you present an evidence, you want to make sure it's difficult to refute or fool-proof

I just read through the full petition filed by atiku.he is targeting a few lgas in all the northern states won by buhari which is not enough

Ratello:
INEC Explains A-Z About Electronic Card Readers

SAN FRANCISCO, March 04, (THEWILL) – The Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC) explains the A-Z about its voting card readers in this question and answer statement below:

Question 1: Why use Card Readers?

Answer: For the first time in Nigeria’s electoral history, electronic voter authentication system, with the aid of smart card readers, is being deployed for the 2015 general elections. Using Card Readers has enormous advantages, which include:

Once configured, the Card Reader can only read Permanent Voter Cards (PVCs) issued by the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC). Any person that shows up at the polling unit without a PVC or with a card not issued by INEC will not be able to vote.
The Card Reader reads the embedded chip on the PVC, not the barcode, and it shares a secret code with the PVC; thus it is impossible to falsify the cards.
The Card Reader authenticates the identity of the voter by cross-matching his/her fingerprints with that stored on the embedded chip. No person can vote using another person’s PVC.
The Card reader keeps a tally of all cards read, comprising the details of all voters verified as well as those not verified, and transmits the collected information to a central INEC server via GSM data service.
Information transmitted to the server will enable INEC to audit results from polling units, as well as do a range of statistical analysis of the demographics of voting.
Collation officers will also be able to use information transmitted by the Card Reader to audit polling unit result sheets and determine whether accreditation figures have been altered.
Question 2: Is the usage of Card Readers for 2015 elections legal?

Answer: The use of the Card Reader for the purpose of accreditation of voters is one of the innovations introduced by the Commission to improve the integrity of the electoral process. It does not violate the Electoral Act 2010, as Amended, or the 1999 Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, as Amended. It adds value to the process in line with the yearnings of Nigerians for credible elections, and accords with international best practices.  Whereas the Electoral Act prohibits the use of electronic voting, the Card Reader is not a voting machine and is not used for voting. The Card Reader is used only for accreditation of voters, and only accreditation (and not voting) data is transmitted by it.

Question 3: How does the Card Reader work?

Answer: The Card Reader uses a highly secure cryptographic technology that is used commonly in devices that need to perform secure transactions, such as paying terminals. It has ultra-low power consumption, with a single core frequency of 1.2GHz and an Android 4.2.2. Operating System. The INEC staff operating the Card Reader will scan the PVC of each voter to verify its genuiness before allowing the voter to get accredited. It takes an average of 10 to 20 seconds to authenticate a voter.

Question 4: How long is the battery life of the Card Reader?

Answer: The Card reader has a 3200mAh battery, which can lasts for about 12 hours in continual usage when fully charged. The device hibernates when not in use to save and lengthen the battery life.

Question 5: Who operates the Card Reader at the Polling Unit?

Answer: An Assistant Presiding Officer (APO) at the polling unit has the responsibility to operate the Card Reader. Poll officials that will operate the Card Readers have received extensive hands-on training and are well equipped to handle the task. The Commission has also painstakingly outlined the operational procedures in its ‘Approved Guidelines and Regulations for the Conduct of 2015 General Elections’.

Question 6: Have the Card Readers been tested ahead of the 2015 general elections? 

Answer: The Card Reader units have been broadly subjected to simulation Quality Assurance, Integrity and Functionality tests and INEC has full confidence in their performance for election purposes. The device has also been subjected to Performance and Conformance Test, both locally and in Texas, United States, laboratories by the Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) Research Centre and found to be of the highest quality grade. Besides all these, and with additional time resulting from the rescheduling of the 2015 general elections, the Commission has directed that Stress Test be conducted on the Card Reader device in mock election scenarios – two states in each of the six geo-political zones – ahead of the new election dates. (Details of this exercise will be unveiled by the Commission next week.)

Question 7: Can the Card Reader fail to function?

Answer: Going by the results of tests already conducted, it is highly unlikely that the Card Reader will fail on Election Day. Still, INEC has drawn up serial intervention plans in the unlikely event of the Card Readers failing.

(i)             Should there be a challenge with battery power for the device, the Commission has procured more than 35,000 back-up batteries that can be rapidly deployed.

(ii)           If the device itself fails in the course of accreditation, the Commission has procured more than 26,000 spares that can be rapidly deployed in replacement within the scheduled accreditation hours of 8a.m. – 1p.m.Whatever time is lost on these scheduled hours in the course of replacement will be added and accreditation extended beyond 1p.m. to compensate for the lost time.

(iii)          In the extremely unlikely and isolated event that a faulty Card Reader can’t be replaced within the scheduled accreditation hours, INEC has come to a firm agreement with political parties that the exercise be repeated the following day rather than revert to manual accreditation.

These procedures, which registered political parties have agreed to, have been written into the ‘Approved Guidelines and Regulations for the Conduct of 2015 General Elections’.

Question 8: What if the Card Reader verifies a voter’s PVC but his/her fingerprints cannot be authenticated?

Answer: The Commission has come to an agreement with registered political parties on what to do: namely that if a voter’s PVC has been read and it is evident that he/she is the legitimate holder of the card, but the fingerprints cannot be authenticated (or he/she doesn’t have fingers), the Presiding Officer of the voting point will complete an incident form and the voter will be accredited to vote. Party Agents and Observers would be there to witness to this.

Question 9: Is it possible to accredit all voters who turn out within the stipulated hours for accreditation using the Card Reader?

Answer: The accreditation of a voter, using the Card Reader, is estimated to last an average of 10 to 20 seconds per voter. Even if we double this time to 20 to 45 seconds for planning purposes, and working on the basis of a maximum of 750 voters per voting point, and using a generous projection of 70% voter turnout (the average being 54% from past elections), which equates to 525 voters, the card reader will need 6.5hours to process all the voters. This is well within the operating time for the elections as well as the battery life of the Card reader.

Question 10: How is the Card Reader programmed?

Answer: To prevent fraudulent use, the Card Rader is configured to work only on Election Days. In addition, the device is configured to specific polling units and cannot be used elsewhere without requiring reconfiguration by authorised INEC personnel.

Question 11: How has the INEC’s Card Reader addressed the problems experienced in other countries in the sub-region?

Answer: The challenge with a few of the Card Reader devices in Ghana, for instance, during the country’s 2012 general elections was the battery power, apparently because the affected devices were not fully charged. It was in learning from this experience that INEC designed the Card Readers to be used in the 2015 elections with 12-hour battery life in active usage, and also procured more than 35,000 units of back-up batteries. The imperative of adequate charging of the Card Readers is underscored during the trainings of election personnel.

The supposed technology failures during Kenya’s general elections in 2013 had nothing to do with card readers, as the country used computer poll books for accreditation. The challenge was rather with the electronic system used in transmitting results, and not card readers.


https://thewillnigeria.com/news/inec-explains-a-z-about-electronic-card-readers/

you people you do better than this,Atiku is no fool,he is certainly very sure of his facts before coming out.

SillyMods:
Don't mind Atiku and his Atikulosers gang of hopeless wailers.

Atiku and PDP's Dubai startegy is simple: after losing the election, do everything possible to discredit it. If this fails, continue to insist that Atiku won the election by releasing some bogus claims and figures to that effect in a bid to keep our supporters busy for the next four years.

Awon werey!

don't be jittery, innocent mind don't fear accusations ok.

SillyMods:
And does it translate to who those accredited voters voted for?

And did the manually announced results at collation centers differ from what INEC Chairman eventually announced?

Common sense is rare o.

Do you have a brain at all?.

senatordave1:
I just read through the full petition filed by atiku.he is targeting a few lgas in all the northern states won by buhari which is not enough

I read he has 400 witnesses, I assume from 400PU's, truly that's insufficient, but i believe it's our election petition law that's truly messed up, from what i've been reading, he would need evidence of electoral malpractices in up to 100,000 PU's for his case to be valid, but regardless of that, if he's able to prove INEC has been compromised going by the discrepancies between the manual results and the e-result he alleged he won in, I believe that should be enough.

I'm just following through though, although i don't believe its possible to challenge the results of an election in Nigeria, its an incredibly uphill legal procedure and he would just burn himself out in the end.

senatordave1:
I thought you were supporting atiku

am not partisan oga..even if I was am not stupid...it's necessary to state reality...Atiku has lost...Now dat his case is in court he and his adherents shd allow the legal team argue their case in court and stop this nonsense cheap propaganda...because we don't want to play by d rules dats yy it becoming difficult to conduct elections in places like Rivers...luk at IMO inec declaring pdp despite ihedioha falling short of 25% in 2/3 of lga in imo...no matter hw we want to run in circles d truth ll stare us at d face

senatordave1:
The extra number is from manual accreditation which the law recognises.card reader is only meant to aid manual accreditation and not replace it.

If you must be manually accredited, there are documents on inec register you have to sign after your name must have been located on the register. That was my case during presidential election.
That is why Pdp wants to inspect the election materials.
This case is a tedious case and it needs a lot of forensics so it isn't play and i am sure Pdp and Atiku thought it through and are ready to spend the money.

SillyMods:
This doesn't answer my question. Again, what makes you think Atiku and his team are flaunting the correct results in the so-called INEC server?

That is why they are in court. Inec will have to discredit them. Simple.
Discrediting them is another thing because it isn't going to be verbal. There will be forensics involved.

mistyebby:
Rigging how? Who knew your uncle then? Yaradua was a peaceful man, everybody voted him.

And when was card readers introduced?

year adua confessed in 2007 that the election that brought him in was rigged

slawomir:
Inec is stupid
Card readers that were reading cloned pvc

Don't argue with me because i was an ApO2 in Benin city

Card reader is a scam!!!

APO2 doesn't use the card reader, APO1 does so how can we be sure of what you're saying?

Richie0974:
APO2 doesn't use the card reader, APO1 does so how can we be sure of what you're saying?

ApO2 is very close to Apo1
Infact na this two people they run this for polling unit together
Because anything one does affect the other

On the Field apo 2 sit close to apo1 very very close

And does it translate to who those accredited voters voted for?

And did the manually announced results at collation centers. differ from what INEC Chairman eventually announced?



Plz there is a possibility that it will differ... I knw this because I was a presiding officer in Aguata local government of Anambra state...some of the resulted collated by PO's were changed at the collation center by the collation officer... some party agents arrange with even collation officers to tamper with result gotten at the polling unit

also there is a phase in the smart card ready called e-collation.. this phase is done by the Rac- tech to transmit result of parties to the Inec server ......thus results are transmitted both manually and electronically....u can even Google abt e-collation of election result if u doubt Wat I'm saying

senatordave1
The extra number is from manual accreditation which the law recognises. card reader is only meant to aid manual accreditation and not replace it.

Plz did u worked as an ad hoc staff in this election becos the truth Is ure talking out of point....mind u any polling unit that made use of smart card aren't allowed to use manual accreditation.... pvcs are first read by the card reader and the only tym manual accreditation is allowed is when the card reader fails to authenticate the finger print of the owner... and the card reader records number of successful n failed finger print authentication which later sums up the total number of accredited voters at the polling unit.. so both the manual and the card reader must tally.
also there is e-collation of result of each political party to the Inec server which is done by the Rac-tech ....so I knw Inec is lying abt the card reader transmitting only number of accredited voters and not votes gotten by parties becos I was a presiding officer at the just concluded election!!

OGHENAOGIE:
am not partisan oga..even if I was am not stupid...it's necessary to state reality...Atiku has lost...Now dat his case is in court he and his adherents shd allow the legal team argue their case in court and stop this nonsense cheap propaganda...because we don't want to play by d rules dats yy it becoming difficult to conduct elections in places like Rivers...luk at IMO inec declaring pdp despite ihedioha falling short of 25% in 2/3 of lga in imo...no matter hw we want to run in circles d truth ll stare us at d face

You are very correct.tone down on your insults and advance your views in this manner

Trolla:
I read he has 400 witnesses, I assume from 400PU's, truly that's insufficient, but i believe it's our election petition law that's truly messed up, from what i've been reading, he would need evidence of electoral malpractices in up to 100,000 PU's for his case to be valid, but regardless of that, if he's able to prove INEC has been compromised going by the discrepancies between the manual results and the e-result he alleged he won in, I believe that should be enough.

I'm just following through though, although i don't believe its possible to challenge the results of an election in Nigeria, its an incredibly uphill legal procedure and he would just burn himself out in the end.

Some of the allegations in the petition are ridiculous like alleging that inec officials were bribed or tradermoni affected voting plus vote buying during the polls.all he needs to do is to get polling unit results,compare them with the ones at the collation crntres and see if it tallies or prove that there was violence,rigging,no voting in most polling units and get good to go.any other thing is a waste

senatordave1:
Some of the allegations in the petition are ridiculous like alleging that inec officials were bribed or tradermoni affected voting plus vote buying during the polls.all he needs to do is to get polling unit results,compare them with the ones at the collation crntres and see if it tallies or prove that there was violence,rigging,no voting in most polling units and get good to go.any other thing is a waste

Trademoni? seriously? he's relying on unfounded hearsay for his case? he's not ready, @bold is exactly what he should do, but the effort
Inec had to employ thousands of adhoc staff for the election, to begin counting pu by pu, I wonder if its worth the stress. Still watching how this unfolds anyways

sweetluv26:
And does it translate to who those accredited voters voted for?

And did the manually announced results at collation centers. differ from what INEC Chairman eventually announced?



Plz there is a possibility that it will differ... I knw this because I was a presiding officer in Aguata local government of Anambra state...some of the resulted collated by PO's were changed at the collation center by the collation officer... some party agents arrange with even collation officers to tamper with result gotten at the polling unit

also there is a phase in the smart card ready called e-collation.. this phase is done by the Rac- tech to transmit result of parties to the Inec server ......thus results are transmitted both manually and electronically....u can even Google abt e-collation of election result if u doubt Wat I'm saying

For you to change results at the collation centers,you must change results in the polling unit result sheets.secondly,most adhoc staffs and ratech were not trained about e collation.only q few polling units actually transmitted results electronically which is even illegal because the electoral act recognises manual voting and transmission of results therefore it cant be tendered as evidence in court.
Inec never gave any party access to its server therefore what pdp are parading is deemed illegal and criminal in nature.if they hacked the server,then they must have injured that results which i believe is what they originally wanted to allocste to themselves and apc had the electoral act been signed which would have perrmitted electronic voting and collation.
Rigging in aguata and anambra was purely for pdp.

nwanyionitsha:
If you must be manually accredited, there are documents on inec register you have to sign after your name must have been located on the register. That was my case during presidential election.
That is why Pdp wants to inspect the election materials.
This case is a tedious case and it needs a lot of forensics so it isn't play and i am sure Pdp and Atiku thought it through and are ready to spend the money.

You are now getting me.the major means of accreditation and voting is manual.once your name is on the register and you have pvc,you are qualified to vote whether the card reader authentic you or not.our constitution recognizes only manual accreditation.card readers are inec creation not covered by our laws.so atiku must prove his case manually by using results of polling units to show that it doesn't tally with final figurez

Felixalex:
Is that all u have to say about that has been said there?

Is ur buhari intelligent enough to even know what a server is? Or database? If Atiku had won the elections we all know that Nigeria by now would have turned to South Sudan.

Allow the man to challenge the results until INEC convinces him at the courts that he didn't win the elections as he is claiming right now. Intelligent people are happy he is challenging the results of the election because it will expose some facts, lapses etc which could be worked on to improve on subsequent elections.

All people like u know is insult insult insult.

good point....

sweetluv26:
senatordave1
The extra number is from manual accreditation which the law recognises. card reader is only meant to aid manual accreditation and not replace it.

Plz did u worked as an ad hoc staff in this election becos the truth Is ure talking out of point....mind u any polling unit that made use of smart card aren't allowed to use manual accreditation.... pvcs are first read by the card reader and the only tym manual accreditation is allowed is when the card reader fails to authenticate the finger print of the owner... and the card reader records number of successful n failed finger print authentication which later sums up the total number of accredited voters at the polling unit.. so both the manual and the card reader must tally.
also there is e-collation of result of each political party to the Inec server which is done by the Rac-tech ....so I knw Inec is lying abt the card reader transmitting only number of accredited voters and not votes gotten by parties becos I was a presiding officer at the just concluded election!!

Thank you love keep drumming into their ears that this year card reader machine was configurated to capture votes and accredited voters in each polling unit.