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| Re: Jesus Created The Universe: The Deity Of Christ by TVSA: 11:29pm On Mar 24, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:no, mount of transfiguration was not named in the bible. Some bible scholars had made prediction and olive is not even part of the guess. The place was far from Jerusalem so it could not be the same as olive. Mount olive was in the vicinity of Jerusalem and Jesus went there only when he was around Jerusalem. |
| Re: Jesus Created The Universe: The Deity Of Christ by MuttleyLaff: 6:35am On Mar 25, 2019 |
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| Re: Jesus Created The Universe: The Deity Of Christ by Nobody: 7:21am On Mar 25, 2019 |
solite3:Jesus was MADE like a God,the Bible clearly stated this! Act 2:36 Though the TRINITY doctrine has been in existence since the commencement of the Roman Catholic Church but the word TRINITY never appeared in any page of the Bible, so let's face the fact in order to distinguish between the person who was GIVEN authority and the person who GAVE such authority! 1Corinthians 15:28,29 |
| Re: Jesus Created The Universe: The Deity Of Christ by Emusan(m): 6:15pm On Mar 25, 2019 |
Maximus69:Where you cited read "Christ and Lord" yet you said it's clearly stated in the Bible...how you people lie against scripture without fear baffles me... Your first statement was "someone made Moses God the same way he made Jesus God..." But as a lying JWs you have to quickly pick the brain giving to you by GB to say "MADE like a God" Continue.... Jehovah says I am God and no other gods beside me...yet your Jesus as a God is beside Jehovah...why would Jehovah lie that there is no God beside him when Jesus was a God beside him ![]() All JWs are very confused Though the TRINITY doctrine has been in existence since the commencement of the Roman Catholic Church but the word TRINITY never appeared in any page of the Bible, so let's face the fact in order to distinguish between the person who was GIVEN authority and the person who GAVE such authority! 1Corinthians 15:28,29Where does the word THEOCRACY appear in the Bible? Besides, he didn't talk about Trinity yet you brought the issue up, why are you people so confused and always divert from original point? |
| Re: Jesus Created The Universe: The Deity Of Christ by Nobody: 6:44pm On Mar 25, 2019*. Modified: 7:36pm On Mar 25, 2019 |
Emusan:Oh i'm sorry Sir! I never realised that Lord and God totally meant different things! But i hope you can read in any version of the Bible that Jesus was MADE Lord and Christ? So who MADE him? Jehovah said 'there is no other God beside me' but does that makes Jesus who sat at God's right hand a God? Remember all versions of the Bible reads @ John 1:1 that the word WAS God! Meaning he served as God under the authority of someone greater, just as Moses also SERVED as God! But now both Moses and Jesus are no more serving as God! Jesus would serve in many capacities according to Isaiah's prophecies @ Isaiah 9:6 ¤ Wonderful counselor ¤ Mighty God ¤ Eternal father ¤ Prince of Peace. So if the Bible said and you agreed that he was MADE Lord and Christ, please who MADE him to serve in those capacities? 1Corinthians 15:25~28 Perhaps these quotations were smuggled into your version of the Bible by Jehovah's Witnesses to support their so called lies! ![]() So Jesus WAS God just as Moses WAS God but presently only Jehovah is God forever unlike both Moses and Jesus who WERE Gods at some times in the past! ![]() |
| Re: Jesus Created The Universe: The Deity Of Christ by Nobody: 7:57pm On Mar 25, 2019 |
Maximus69:Emusan is one of those often tormented when they hear Jehovah's Witnesses! Several times has tried to stop me from making comments just because he is tormented always and whenever you give him thought provoking responses he will just vanish. He is the type that likes joining hands to cast stones on JWs but have no liver to stand face to face with a competent JW in biblical debates. So now that he has noticed how swift you're in making use of the spiritual sword[Hebrew 4:12] he will run into hiding and be waiting behind the scene to join others in attacking you! Luke 4:13 |
| Re: Jesus Created The Universe: The Deity Of Christ by Nobody: 8:07pm On Mar 25, 2019 |
TATIME:Hmmm that's true! I noticed he only appear to support others in casting stones but disappears when he's the only one standing! ![]() |
| Re: Jesus Created The Universe: The Deity Of Christ by OLAADEGBU(op): 12:46am On Mar 26, 2019*. Modified: 8:33pm On Mar 28, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU:Let Us Make Man In Our Image Since we know that the New Testament clearly teaches the universe was created by the means of Jesus Christ as a primary agent of creation, this shines light on the creation account in the book of Genesis it reads: Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." – Genesis 1:26 Notice how God says "let US make man in OUR image," seeming to indicated a unity and plurality within God Himself. Who was the Father speaking to as co-creators in the initial act of creation? Who else is said to share the same image as God?: "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation." – Colossians 1:15 There are many different interpretations of "us" and "our" in this verse. While some argue this is God referring to Himself in a deliberately plural sense, this verse is now best understood as being a reference to the unity of a persons within the Godhead. A communion between the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit to bring about man as an act of their creation. This interpretation is highly supported by the New Testament passages we have already looked at, where Jesus is said to be the creator of all things in Heaven and earth. While the people reading the Old Testament would not have originally known that God was a trinity in nature, God's progressive revelation in the New Testament regarding the person of Jesus shines a new interpretive light on Genesis 1 and is best explained by the plurality of persons within the Godhead. In fact, this verse in Genesis 1:26 would allow us to conclude that Jesus was involved in the creation the universe by merely establishing a trinity in the New Testament. If there is a trinity, Jesus was involved in the creation of the universe by virtue of the fact that a plurality within the Godhead is conveyed here. That would be enough. But in addition to this inference from the doctrine of the trinity, we have many specific and direct references to Jesus as creator of the universe in particular. http://reasonsforjesus.com/jesus-created-the-universe-the-deity-of-christ/
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| Re: Jesus Created The Universe: The Deity Of Christ by OLAADEGBU(op): 1:26am On Mar 26, 2019 |
"So why the Christian God? Why not one of the other thousands?" Jason King There's no such thing as "the Christian God." There is only one Creator who revealed Himself to Moses, and promised to destroy man's greatest enemy—death. He then became one human being—Jesus of Nazareth and destroyed the power of death. Now, all who repent and trust alone in Him—whether they are black or white, Jew or Gentile, Muslim or Hindu, atheist, or agnostic may receive forgiveness of sin, and the gift of everlasting life. Source: https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort 24 March 2015 · |
| Re: Jesus Created The Universe: The Deity Of Christ by Nobody: 7:53am On Mar 26, 2019 |
Maximus69:where exactly was it written that Jesus was made God? Act 2:36 never said Jesus was made God. |
| Re: Jesus Created The Universe: The Deity Of Christ by Nobody: 7:58am On Mar 26, 2019 |
Maximus69:Jesus Christ is Almghty God and he remain so forever Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Revelation 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. |
| Re: Jesus Created The Universe: The Deity Of Christ by Nobody: 2:08pm On Mar 26, 2019 |
solite3:Please to fully understand the book of Revelation you need to first know how many characters are commenting or speaking! Jehovah,Jesus,John,Angel,Anointed ones and so on. So if you're reading this book of prophecy try to visualise those characters or personalities,then you'll be able to differentiate who is who. In most Bibles the divine name of God Almighty has been replace with the title 'The Lord',so even when Jehovah[Almighty God] speaks a reader would be confused that it is Jesus! But meditate thoroughly on verses 6,that place says he[Jesus] made us[anointed ones] kings and priests unto his God and Father! John 20:17 This is the person that Jesus himself refers to as 'my father and my God' of course the Almighty God has NO superior over him that he should revere as 'my God' Isaiah 46:9 So Jesus was given the privilege to serve as God jus as Moses also had[Exodus 7:1] but presently Jesus is NO MORE serving in that capacity that's why John could wrote that "in the beginning WAS the word and the word WAS with God and the word WAS God" John 1:1 This same verse was rendered in various forms depending on the religious background of the interpreter. Some says "the word was God" others "the word was divine" or "the word was a god" or "the word was godlike" but NONE of them mistakenly wrote that the word 'IS' as in present tense because it is clear from the text that the word is NO MORE serving in that capacity! Jehovah's Witnesses taught me and i agreed with their explanations, God bless you Sir! |
| Re: Jesus Created The Universe: The Deity Of Christ by Nobody: 11:33pm On Mar 26, 2019 |
Maximus69:Please Maximus,stop this your statement "Jehovah's Witnesses taught me or Jehovah's Witnesses, thank you" If you humble yourself before God's true servants you will be privileged to serve our God and HE might even award you DOUBLE portion of the spirit of the one who taught you so that you preach and teach better than your teachers! 2Kings 2:9,10 Maximus,i am seeing a great pioneer in you so stop hailing Jehovah's Witnesses because you're fast becoming one already and Jehovah is already using you. You've made a lot of points that makes tears role down my cheek as you're giving strong indomitable responses to critics! Maximus,when exactly is your baptism? Because i'll invite friends to come and see another Paul in the making! ![]() |
| Re: Jesus Created The Universe: The Deity Of Christ by Emusan(m): 3:03pm On Mar 27, 2019 |
Maximus69:Imagine, for you to support your lie you have to agree that Lord and God are the same thing! Why did the organization you're fighting for busy corrupting the scripture especially the NT to insert the word Jehovah in many places where Lord appeared? But i hope you can read in any version of the Bible that Jesus was MADE Lord and Christ? So who MADE him?Can you differentiate between when Bible is talking about Jesus before He entered creation and after He became part of creation? If you can then you'll know why.... Besides, the question is WHERE IN THE SCRIPTURE was written that Jesus was made GOD? Jehovah said 'there is no other God beside me' but does that makes Jesus who sat at God's right hand a God?If Jesus not a God to you, who is He? Is Jesus not a God according to you ![]() Remember all versions of the Bible reads @ John 1:1 that the word WAS God! Meaning he served as God under the authority of someone greater,Yet you asked "Jehovah said 'there is no other God beside me' but does that makes Jesus who sat at God's right hand a God? can you see how confused you are? just as Moses also SERVED as God! But now both Moses and Jesus are no more serving as God!Now placing Moses and Jesus Christ on the same level...see how demonic doctrines is playing with your salvation... So Jesus didn't serve as God now but He is still Alpha and omega, beginning and the end the ONE who was, who is and TO COME Likewise Bible says "Jesus the same yesterday, today and FOREVER MORE" Jesus would serve in many capacities according to Isaiah's propheciesAfter you can quote Isaiah and you read it boldly written "ETERNAL FATHER" do you know the meaning of ETERNAL ![]() So Jesus WAS God just as Moses WAS God but presently only Jehovah is God forever unlike both Moses and Jesus who WERE Gods at some times in the past!I can't believe a student of the scripture will ever place Moses and Jesus on the same level... Well since Satan has followers then this statement must have come through one of his followers. |
| Re: Jesus Created The Universe: The Deity Of Christ by Nobody: 3:48pm On Mar 27, 2019 |
Emusan:[quote][/quote]Your PERSONAL assertion so suit yourself! ![]() |
| Re: Jesus Created The Universe: The Deity Of Christ by Janosky: 1:02pm On Mar 28, 2019 |
solite3:Jesus Almighty God na the messenger (John 7:16) of Almighty God. "Jesus Almighty God" na servant of the Almighty God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob ( Acts 3:13) "Almighty God" get him Father & get him God (John20:17.Rom 15:6. Eph1:3 ,17) "Almighty God" get him Father (Eph3:14)& get him Head for heaven (1cor11:3. Rev 3:12,14 ,21). "Almighty God" wey him Father & him God granted life and authority John 5:26,27 & him God give am name(phil2:9) ** kikikikikikikiki *Rev1:11 (KJV) is spurious and embellished with falsehood in all TR Bibles Lying Pharisees twisting Rev1:8.& 22:13. Shameless liars with out sense |
| Re: Jesus Created The Universe: The Deity Of Christ by OLAADEGBU(op): 8:37pm On Mar 28, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU:Summary Jesus claimed to be the God of the Old Testament (John 8:58) which means He believed to share divine nature with the Father. He didn't claim to be the Father, but claimed to share unity with the Father (which is best understood under trinitarianism.) The God of the Old Testament brought man into existence by referring to plurality/unity of persons in the Godhead (Genesis 1:26) which gives us Old Testament precedence for believing Jesus was involved in creation at some level. But we have many New Testament verses demonstrating that Jesus was a primary agent of creation itself. He didn't just agree with the Father's act of creation, he was intimately involved in the act of creation itself as a causal agent. Here is a list of the verses we have looked at so far which demonstrate Jesus is the creator of the universe: 1. John 8:58 2. John 1:1-3 3. John 1:10 4. Colossians 1:15-17 5. 1 Corinthians 8:6 6. Ephesians 3:9 7. Acts 3:15 8. Hebrews 1:2 9. Hebrews 1:10 10. Hebrews 2:10 11. Hebrews 3:3, Hebrews 11:3, Psalm 33:6 12. Genesis 1:26 Jesus' role in creation as it is revealed in scripture creates a fascinating and compelling case for the deity of Christ. This view was held by the apostles, by other New Testament writers, by Jesus Himself, and it is evidenced in the creation account of Genesis 1. Jesus is not only Christ, He is also Creator and God. "The Word, who in the beginning bestowed on us life as Creator when He formed us, taught us to live well when He appeared as our Teacher that as God He might afterwards conduct us to the life which never ends." – Clement of Alexandria (AD 150–215), Exhortations to the Heathen, 1.
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| Re: Jesus Created The Universe: The Deity Of Christ by OLAADEGBU(op): 9:00pm On Apr 06, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU:Jesus is God in human form. |
| Re: Jesus Created The Universe: The Deity Of Christ by OLAADEGBU(op): 12:10pm On Jun 17, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU:What does I Am mean? |
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