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Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by Nobody: 10:37am On Mar 31, 2019

k4kenny:
An illiterate wrote a book which 1400 years ago with words science proved centuries later! Simply because it doesn't agree with your illogical trinity doesn't make it a fallacy.

How has science proved the Qur'an...God isn't provable by physical address...weda christain or Muslim faith or anyother faith......u can't point t to him and say he's here..its by multiple testimonies and evidences
.science works on facts and multiple validation .....the Qur'an goes completely against that principle of science yet u say science proved the Qur'an..

Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by Nobody: 10:41am On Mar 31, 2019

1StopRudeness:
I'm not a hypocrite and an objective person....theirs no ideology in the world that operates or should operate without validation....not even life science not philosophy....God doesn't operate without multiple evidences....look around you....even without a book....the evidence of creation is too much to ignore

Are u serious right now, u are Christian talking about validation and evidence, bro just shut up, Christians work with faith and not evidence. Don't even start an argument with me.

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Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by ElsonMorali: 10:45am On Mar 31, 2019

I wish the Islamic section could also be opened up for a robust debate like this, 'cept that there might be massive renunciation of the religion after all said and done.

Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by Nobody: 10:46am On Mar 31, 2019

Iykesmooth:
Only an idiot would doubt the existence of God

Explain the existence of sun moon or creation in itself

Explain the existence of god

Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by Nobody: 10:50am On Mar 31, 2019

charliboy654:
Are u serious right now, u are Christian talking about validation and evidence, bro just shut up, Christians work with faith and not evidence. Don't even start an argument with me.

U ddnt read my post well...both beleif ideology and every other relegion are faith based beleif......without evidence the worldy people ask for...God cannot be seen or proved by an address.....what I'm saying is....on the context of the accounts or book both presents ...there's no validation for one...the Qur'an claims authenticity because one man wrote it al with claim he was given divinely..but the laws in both book says no account is valid without multiple testimony....
Isn't that what the law of the land adopts today in the human court of law...

Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by Elvis778(m): 10:51am On Mar 31, 2019

driand:
even if you haven't seen, deep down in you you know they are not mere stories... They are real,... I have personally seen God at work, yes I am a first hand witness, if you wanna know how just ask...

I have seen mysterious things that science can never explain, so bro you need to start questioning your beliefs..

there is God up there, yes, but Religion is purely Man made, quote me and i give you my reasons.
There is PARADISE AND HELL, but both are in this world, that's why we have the Rich, the poor and the extremely poor, we see them as unfortunate, but that's a lie, we say life is unfair, that's a lie too, LIFE IS NEVER UNFAIR, LIFE simply gives us what we once gave to people in our past existence, LIFE is plain JUSTICE

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Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by Topmaike007(m): 10:52am On Mar 31, 2019

OndoRaph:
Then you are a pagan and not an etheist. An etheist is someone who doesn't believe God exists. A pagan is someone who believe God exists but don't practice. An agnostist is someone who believes nothing is known or can be known about the existence of God. A christian is someone who believes God exists and Christ died for the redemption of his/her sins and he/she practices the faith.

so you want to tell me that I am not a Christian? I keep is commandments but the only one I avoided is going to church.

Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by Sheunma: 10:54am On Mar 31, 2019

“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam it will never be accepted of him and in the hereafter he will be one of the losers.” ( Quran 3:85)

Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by omo1478(m): 10:58am On Mar 31, 2019

Interesting15:
One of the strategies the devil has been using to prevent people from coming to the Light of Christ is to make them doubt the existence of God, the supernatural world, and the Salvation package; and to prevent them from being 'rational indeed'

For some people, after hearing preachings of spiritual truths from Christians, they keep their hearts hardened, and concluded that there is no iota of truth in the claims.

"How can you say there is a God up there?", "Who created that God?" "It is a lie", "There is nothing like Heaven or hell", "It makes no sense", "It's all a lie"

But wait: What if all these are actually true. What if, after you die some day, you then discover that God actually exists, and that He has actually prepared everlasting bliss in Heaven for those who accepted His Son Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior?

Look at it from that perspective: What if the preachers are actually right in regards to their preachings about Hell Fire?

If you claimed to be a reasonable person, and you failed to think in this direction at some point, then something is wrong somewhere.

Having such thoughts like this should prompt you into taking steps to be on the safe side. So, when you die, and you discover that God really exists, and that He will judge you according to your works while on earth, you can be sure of justification.

How can you be on the safe side? Simply by accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of your life. It's so simple. Pray to Him wherever you are now and ask Him to come into your life...

What if all these things are really true?

Remember, there are many Christians today who used to be staunch atheists. But the Lord Jesus revealed Himself to them, and they are now part of His fold.

What if all these things are true?

"And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to everyone according to his work. I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last" Revelation 22: 12,13

God bless you

I know of a atheist ,who is now a big follower of Christ Jesus.

Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by Nobody: 10:59am On Mar 31, 2019

k4kenny:
Neither Muhammed (saw) nor any other Muslim have ever alluded that Jesus (AS) is in hell. We believe in the true words of ALL the past Prophets if God (Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob, Lot, Job, David, Solomon, Jesus etc), upon them all be peace. They all called to the worship of 1 GOD.

definitely, all religious books are contradictory. Some portions of the Koran spoke well of jesus although they turned the whole bible story upside down. Suggesting Mary as holy spirit and god coming down to sex Mary to give birth to jesus thereby calling it delusional for anyone to imagine. There are also portions where the Koran condemned jesus to hell. I can't remember the passage exactly. I've read the Koran and many Islamic books.

Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by Elvis778(m): 11:15am On Mar 31, 2019

1StopRudeness:
I'm not a hypocrite and an objective person....theres no ideology or entity in the world that operates or should operate without validation....not even life science not philosophy....God doesn't operate without multiple evidences....look around you....even without a book....the evidence of creation is too much to ignore

The plain truth, their is no true religion, we Christians encounter the supernatural, we see miracles, our prayers answered enn the Muslims see same, the alfas and imam perform miracles and their prayers are also answered, so i don't see any difference. Whether Christian, Muslim, Bhudist or anything, they all lead us to a supreme God.

Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by Elvis778(m): 11:20am On Mar 31, 2019

nineone:
definitely, all religious books are contradictory. Some portions of the Koran spoke well of jesus although they turned the whole bible story upside down. Suggesting Mary as holy spirit and god coming down to sex Mary to give birth to jesus thereby calling it delusional for anyone to imagine. There are also portions where the Koran condemned jesus to hell. I can't remember the passage exactly. I've read the Koran and many Islamic books.

thanks for that, If you read your Bible well, you should know it also noted that Jesus went to hell after death..............................But conquered hell after 3 days of which he then rose from the dead cheesy

Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by donbenie(m): 11:41am On Mar 31, 2019

omo1478:
I know of a atheist ,who is now a big follower of Christ Jesus.

So?

What exactly is your point.. huh

There are many who were Christians and now big time Atheists..

What does that have to do with ANYTHING.. shocked

Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by KAYSANTOS: 11:45am On Mar 31, 2019

b0rn2fuck:
not true

Deep things of God are revealed to those who love him, bro

Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by driand(m): 11:47am On Mar 31, 2019

donbenie:
Science NEVER said it has answers to EVERYTHING..

At least..

That which it does not know,

It seeks to understand and proffer answers..

What you experience..

And term,'God in action',

Another will experience,

And call mere coincidence..

That you had a dream and termed it God speaking to you..

If I have a similar dream,

To me it's just a mere dream..

Whatever is the aftermath of the said dream,

Is subject to our beliefs..

I wouldn't come to a thread like this with dreams as evidence, would I?

But since you've mentioned it, what exactly is a dream? How does science explain a dream you dreamt and it later manifested in reality?

Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by driand(m): 11:49am On Mar 31, 2019

CallMeGod:
ok.. please kindly tell me how you saw God at work

I would tell you but what's the point when you've concluded that what I say now would be another fiction...

Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by Nobody: 11:55am On Mar 31, 2019

burnaboss:
OP. These things can never be true.

Have you ever wondered the type of mansion that God is supposed to build for you. Is it Sky Scrapper, Bungalow etc. Which one. Building designs were developed by man on this Earth

Have you ever wondered if you can use your phone, Television etc. Phones and Electronics were invented by men on this Earth

Have you ever wondered what you will wear in heaven. Is it polo, shirt, suit, gown etc. Clothes and other fashion accessories were made by men on this Earth.

Have you ever wondered if you would know yourself, like your name and that you were from Nigeria while on Earth.

If you would, then you would remember Buhari, WizKid, Davido and all others. The secularity is still there so you are prone to sinning again.

If you would not remember, you will not know yourself, you won't even know what took you to where you are. You won't know your family anymore.

The question is, What will you be doing in heaven?

Talk of hell

The flaw is eternity, do you know what that means, Forever and ever without end. It is funny to imagine that such a thing can happen. Human beings live to die one day and then you think you would come back in spirit form and then live forever. Do you believe a spirit can scream and cry because of flames burning it and that same flame won't kill it.

Heaven and hell cannot be a place, they do not exist. It is the type of things you read in fairytale and watch in myth movies like Hercules, Clash of the Titans and the rest.

there shouldn't be need for a house in a perfect place. Houses evolved from caves where men hid for protection from wild animals and natural disasters.
Houses today protect us hot sun, rain and thieves of What use is a mansion in heaven that's supposed to be perfect

Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by tete7000(m): 12:10pm On Mar 31, 2019

hopefulLandlord:
OP is preaching the already proven to be nonsensical Pascal's Wager

The main problem with Pascal's wager is the fallacy of False Dilemma. It only offers two options when there are at least five alternatives:
The Christian God and afterlife, some other god and afterlife, some god and no afterlife, atheism with afterlife, and atheism without afterlife. In addition, because of the multitude of possible gods, if any god is as likely as another, the probability of the Christian being right is P=1/n where n is the number of possible gods. If we assume that there is an infinite number of possible gods, the probability being right is infinitely small. Since there is an infinitely large probability of picking the wrong god, one could go to some other god's version of hell. This is referred to as the "avoiding the wrong hell problem"
The question of Pascal's Wager is easily defeated by the observation that the wager is predicated on the existence of only one god that being a Christian god. If the wager were efficient then why prefer any one god. All of humanities gods should be eligible for the possibility of existence and therefore you should worship all gods to fully satisfy Pascal's Wager. That of course would fly into the face of declarations of many those gods where that being should be worshiped above all others presumably because of that gods' penchant for envy/jealousy.

Also Mr OP. What if God actually exists but only atheists would be allowed into heaven? I find it bizarre how theists never thought about that possibility. like we die and God goes "HopefulLandlord, I exist but the test is to weed out those that would believe something on no evidence, you passed. you may pass"

I like your hypothesis, it looks good. However have you ever thought of the fact that subjectivity doesn't mean that truth doesn't exist but only points out to the fact that we need to look for something which is concrete and true. Of all different views, one may likely be true or truth may actually exists outside of known views. In that case, as rational beings our aim in life should be to open up and be willingly to if necessary temporary dispose our thoughts to weigh other thoughts and see if they contain the truth we search for.

That aside, looking critically at one of the things you wrote up there, how can atheist enter the heaven that belongs to God they never acknowledge? One of ways of searching for truth is to critically analyse our hypothesis. On what basis will atheists enter heaven of a theistic God.

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Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by BonPatrick(m): 12:20pm On Mar 31, 2019

My brother I dey tell you

vizkiz:
Only a fool says there is no God

Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by BonPatrick(m): 12:22pm On Mar 31, 2019

CAPSLOCKED:
THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF GODS WORSHIPED BY LIVING HUMANS IN 2019. HUNDREDS OF RELIGIONS.
WITHOUT BIAS AND WITH RATIONAL THINKING, THE CHANCE THAT YOUR PREFERRED RELIGION AND FAVORITE GOD IS THE TRUTH IS VERY SLIM.

WHAT IF YOU'RE WRONG AND ISLAM IS THE TRUE RELIGION, AND ALLAH IS UP THERE WHEN YOU DIE?

WHAT IF YOU FIND SANGO? WHAT IF YOU FIND VISHNU?
YOU'VE WASTED YOUR LIFE WORSHIPPING THE WRONG THING AND YOU'LL BE HEADING TO HELL.
NO ASSURANCE FOR YOU. STOP DREAMING.

THERE ARE ALSO MANY CHRISTIANS THAT ARE NOW BUDDHISTS AND MUSLIMS. SOME ARE MORMONS AS WELL.

PEOPLE'S CONVERSION BETWEEN RELIGIONS IS NOT ANY EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF A SUPREME BEING WHO DOESN'T ONLY EXISTS, BUT ALSO DEMANDS ONE TENTH OF OUR MONTHLY INCOME, AND DICTATES WHAT WE SHOULD DO WITH OUR SEXUAL ORGANS!

Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by BonPatrick(m): 12:23pm On Mar 31, 2019

hopefulLandlord:
OP is preaching the already proven to be nonsensical Pascal's Wager

The main problem with Pascal's wager is the fallacy of False Dilemma. It only offers two options when there are at least five alternatives:
The Christian God and afterlife, some other god and afterlife, some god and no afterlife, atheism with afterlife, and atheism without afterlife. In addition, because of the multitude of possible gods, if any god is as likely as another, the probability of the Christian being right is P=1/n where n is the number of possible gods. If we assume that there is an infinite number of possible gods, the probability being right is infinitely small. Since there is an infinitely large probability of picking the wrong god, one could go to some other god's version of hell. This is referred to as the "avoiding the wrong hell problem"
The question of Pascal's Wager is easily defeated by the observation that the wager is predicated on the existence of only one god that being a Christian god. If the wager were efficient then why prefer any one god. All of humanities gods should be eligible for the possibility of existence and therefore you should worship all gods to fully satisfy Pascal's Wager. That of course would fly into the face of declarations of many those gods where that being should be worshiped above all others presumably because of that gods' penchant for envy/jealousy.

Also Mr OP. What if God actually exists but only atheists would be allowed into heaven? I find it bizarre how theists never thought about that possibility. like we die and God goes "HopefulLandlord, I exist but the test is to weed out those that would believe something on no evidence, you passed. you may pass"

Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by charleybam(m): 12:27pm On Mar 31, 2019

[quote author=Elvis778 post=77140151]there is God up there, yes, but Religion is purely Man made, quote me and i give you my reasons.
There is PARADISE AND HELL, but both are in this world, that's why we have the Rich, the poor and the extremely poor, we see them as unfortunate, but that's a lie, we say life is unfair, that's a lie too, LIFE IS NEVER UNFAIR, LIFE simply gives us what we once gave to people in our past existence, LIFE is plain JUSTICE

you are so on point bro

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Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by Nobody: 12:36pm On Mar 31, 2019

Elvis778:
thanks for that, If you read your Bible well, you should know it also noted that Jesus went to hell after death..............................But conquered hell after 3 days of which he then rose from the dead

I don't believe in the Bible. The Bible is a fictional book as well as the Koran. The Koran talked about jesus being punished in hell for blasphemy of calling himself god against allahs commandment of he alone being god

Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by fxapk: 12:45pm On Mar 31, 2019

Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by Nobody: 12:46pm On Mar 31, 2019

donbenie:
The IRONY..

Of using the Bible..

To prove that God and the Bible are REAL..

If there is a God out there..

What makes you think that your Christian God is the right one..

Because your Bible says so?

Lol... We have only one God. Chritanity is a religion same with others too. On thing I believe that any religion that helps your spiritual life is good for you. Any religion who preaches love, peace are the true religion. Religion is a road map. Spirituality is you

Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by donbenie(m): 12:55pm On Mar 31, 2019*

driand:
I wouldn't come to a thread like this with dreams as evidence, would I?

But since you've mentioned it, what exactly is a dream? How does science explain a dream you dreamt and it later manifested in reality?

The problem with believing in a dream or other religious dogma for that matter..

Is that you already have your answer before the questions are asked..

All you have to do is to fit the questions to the answers you already have..

Something happens in your dream,

All you need for your dream to be accurate..

IS,

ANYTHING that fits to the answer of what you dream of..

And you latch on to it as evidence your dreams are true..

FALLACY.. shocked

Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by k4kenny(f): 12:56pm On Mar 31, 2019

nineone:
definitely, all religious books are contradictory. Some portions of the Koran spoke well of jesus although they turned the whole bible story upside down. Suggesting Mary as holy spirit and god coming down to sex Mary to give birth to jesus thereby calling it delusional for anyone to imagine. There are also portions where the Koran condemned jesus to hell. I can't remember the passage exactly. I've read the Koran and many Islamic books.

That's absolutely absurd. Kindly provide the verses of the Qur'an where you got these sickening facts.

Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by donbenie(m): 12:58pm On Mar 31, 2019

Brighte:
Lol... We have only one God. Chritanity is a religion same with others too. On thing I believe that any religion that helps your spiritual life is good for you. Any religion who preaches love, peace are the true religion. Religion is a road map. Spirituality is you

Is that what Christianity believes or your own personal CONVICTION?.

ALL religions believe that they are the one TRUE WAY,

And all others are FAKE and INFIDELS.

Re: What If All These Things Are Really True? by OndoRaph(m): 1:11pm On Mar 31, 2019

Topmaike007:
so you want to tell me that I am not a Christian? I keep is commandments but the only one I avoided is going to church.

You are half Christian and half pagan

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