Empiree:
Bro, we are talking about homosexual but these websites you provide as references didnt say anything about gay/homosexual. See why i told you to be careful?.


Again, where is evidence that shia fiqh supports homosexual?

Brother anal sex with male or female is what?

najib632:
Brother anal sex with male or female is what?

brother, don't twist. Homosexual by definition is intercourse with same sex. Why are you trying to twist it?.

Anal sex is simply Haram even with your wife. That's not definition of homosexual. But you accused their fuqaha of supporting homosexual. You are yet to provide evidence for that.

Empiree:
Anal sex is simply Haram even with your wife. That's not definition of homosexual. But you accused their fuqaha of supporting homosexual. You are yet to provide evidence for that.

Anal sex is not Haram but makrooh (undesirable act). And you are absolutely right, homosexuality is haram and no school of thought welcomes it. In fact punishment for it is severe.

AlBaqir:


Anal sex is not Haram but makrooh (undesirable act). And you are absolutely right, homosexuality is haram and no school of thought welcomes it. In fact punishment for it is severe.

Toor, I can understand that Islamic jurisprudence comes from a multitude of sources, including Quran, Hadith, Sunnah, etc. and not only Quran. So this is figh issue.

Soundest opinion is, it is not permissible. Even the practice being makhruh is very close to forbidden. But definitely anal is not tantamount to homosexual. The brother needs to make tawbah for his wrong accusation.

najib632:
Brother anal sex with male or female is what?

While you have lied against Shia ulama and their rulings, your lies even took a step forward when you posted 2 links to support your lies. Unfortunately, those links ended exposing your lies the more. And mind you, none of those links are official website of those Shia maraji. Those are secondary links to their fiqh explanation.

Alas, from lying, you switch to stupidity and desperation. All because of your hatred to Shia? O ga o.

Empiree:
Toor, I can understand that Islamic jurisprudence comes from a multitude of sources, including Quran, Hadith, Sunnah, etc. and not only Quran. So this is figh issue.

Soundest opinion is, it is not permissible. Even the practice being makhruh is very close to forbidden. But definitely anal is not tantamount to homosexual. The brother needs to make tawbah for his wrong accusation.

HADITH OF NAFI’: APPROACH HER “IN...” WHAT?

Imam Bukhari

Narrated Nafi`:

Whenever Ibn `Umar recited the Qur’an, he would not speak to anyone till he had finished his recitation. Once I held the Qur’an and he recited Surat-al-Baqara from his memory and then stopped at a certain Verse and said, "Do you know in what connection this Verse was revealed? " I replied, "No." He said, "It was revealed in such-and-such connection." Ibn `Umar then resumed his recitation. Nafi` added regarding the Verse:--"So go to your tilth when or how you will" Ibn `Umar said, "It means one should approach his wife in .."

Source: Sahih Bukhari USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 6, Book 60, Hadith 50; Arabic reference : Book 65, Hadith 4526
https://sunnah.com/urn/42050




This hadith has been distortedly documented with a vital information missing. Why did Imam al-Bukhari (or whoever documents the Sahih Bukhari) erased “anus” to complete the sentence “Ibn Umar said: one should approach her (his wife) in anus”?

Al-Hafiz ibn Hajar al-Asqalani writes in his Fath al-Barr fi sharh sahih al-bukhari:


Abi Bakr bin Al-Arabi in his Siraj Al-Mureedeen; has said: "Al-Bukhari has narrated this Hadeeth in his Tafsir; and said: {He approaches her in the ...} and he left it blank." And the issue is well-known. Muhammad bin Sahnoon wrote a part about it, and Muhammad bin Shibaan wrote a book and explained that the Hadeeth of ibn Umar is about having sexual intercourse IN the posterior of a woman.”

Source: Ali ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, Fath al-Bari sharh sahih al-bukhari (Dar al-Rayan li tarasa; 1407 A.H); bab Tafsir al-Quran; vol. 9, pg. 682
http://islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?idfrom=8145&idto=8148&bk_no=52&ID=2319



# Also, with  respect to the verse (223 of sura al-baqara) quoted in the hadith, another hadith revealed from Imam Tirmidhi documents:

Narrated Ibn Abbas:

"Umar came to the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) and said: O Messenger of Allah! I am ruined! He said: Why are you ruined? He said: I turned my mount during the night (meaning that he went into his wife from behind)." He said: "So the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) did not say anything in reply to him. Then Allah revealed this Ayah to the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him): Your wives are a tilth for you, so go to your tilth when or how you will (2:223). From the front, the back, avoiding the anus, and menstruation."


Grade: Hasan (Darussalam)

Source: Sunan Tirmidhi
English reference : Vol. 5, Book 44, Hadith 2980
Arabic reference : Book 47, Hadith 3247
https://sunnah.com/urn/639730


It seems there is a need to “bring” another hadith to stand against the hadith of Imam Tirmidhi (above) which Imam al-Bukhari might have seen and decided not to record.



Imam Bukhari documents:

Narrated Jabir:

Jews used to say: "If one has sexual intercourse with his wife from the back, then she will deliver a squint-eyed child." So this Verse was revealed:-- "Your wives are a tilth unto you; so go to your tilth when or how you will." (2.223)”

 Source: Sahih al-Bukhari
 USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 6, Book 60, Hadith 51
Arabic reference : Book 65, Hadith 4528
https://sunnah.com/urn/42060



Obviously there is a contradiction in the “sabab al-nuzul (reason of revelation)” of the ayah 223 of sura al-baqarah following the two ahadith (above). And it is not known anywhere that the ayah was revealed twice to address two different scenarios of the same context at different time. Besides, going by the matn (content) of Bukhari ‘s version, an impression is being created that the phrase “from the back”  means having sexual intercourse via the vaginal (and not via anus) but coming from the back side. This is because from the matn, the so-called Jews alleged that it can result to pregnancy of a squint eye child. Of course sex via anus cannot result to pregnancy. This Bukhari’s hadith compare to Tirmidhi’s version where the same verse with its interpretation (from the Prophet or Ibn Abbas) condemned the act of having sexual intercourse “from the back – anus” are in serious conflict.  Why we suspect Bukhari’s version greatly is the fact that in connection with the same ayah, he distorted the last piece of information in Nafi’s hadith about Ibn Umar’s interpretation (by ending a sentence with harf “fi – IN’) which most Salaf of the Ahlu Sunnah in ahadith confirmed to be “in anus”.

Empiree:
Toor, I can understand that Islamic jurisprudence comes from a multitude of sources, including Quran, Hadith, Sunnah, etc. and not only Quran. So this is figh issue.

Soundest opinion is, it is not permissible. Even the practice being makhruh is very close to forbidden. But definitely anal is not tantamount to homosexual. The brother needs to make tawbah for his wrong accusation.

That's just the conclusion. You've nailed it.

Empiree:
brother, don't twist. Homosexual by definition is intercourse with same sex. Why are you trying to twist it?.

Anal sex is simply Haram even with your wife. That's not definition of homosexual. But you accused their fuqaha of supporting homosexual. You are yet to provide evidence for that.

If you don't see it that's not my cup of tea, is the back passage of a female different from that of a males? By Allah it is homosexuality in disguise.

najib632:
If you don't see it that's not my cup of tea, is the back passage of a female different from that of a males? By Allah it is homosexuality in disguise.

Just accept your guilty or remain silent bro. You are mixing stuff up

Empiree:
Just accept your guilty or remain silent bro. You are mixing stuff up

That's what fanatical hatred does to the heart. Leave the guy abeg.

AlBaqir:



HADITH OF NAFI’: APPROACH HER “IN...” WHAT?

Imam Bukhari

Narrated Nafi`:

Whenever Ibn `Umar recited the Qur’an, he would not speak to anyone till he had finished his recitation. Once I held the Qur’an and he recited Surat-al-Baqara from his memory and then stopped at a certain Verse and said, "Do you know in what connection this Verse was revealed? " I replied, "No." He said, "It was revealed in such-and-such connection." Ibn `Umar then resumed his recitation. Nafi` added regarding the Verse:--"So go to your tilth when or how you will" Ibn `Umar said, "It means one should approach [b]his wife in .."

Source: Sahih Bukhari USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 6, Book 60, Hadith 50; Arabic reference : Book 65, Hadith 4526
https://sunnah.com/urn/42050

Abi Bakr bin Al-Arabi in his Siraj Al-Mureedeen; has said: "Al-Bukhari has narrated this Hadeeth in his Tafsir; and said: {He approaches her in the ...} and he left it blank." And the issue is well-known. Muhammad bin Sahnoon wrote a part about it, and Muhammad bin Shibaan wrote a book and explained that the Hadeeth of ibn Umar is about having sexual intercourse IN the posterior of a woman.”

Source: Ali ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, Fath al-Bari sharh sahih al-bukhari (Dar al-Rayan li tarasa; 1407 A.H); bab Tafsir al-Quran; vol. 9, pg. 682
http://islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?idfrom=8145&idto=8148&bk_no=52&ID=2319

Why do you bring out the hadith that are not certain? Why not state those that are obvious? so that you can spread fitnah by manipulating eh?
Who asked Imam Nafi to add to the words of ibn Umar? This is clearly a fabricated hadith that had a sound chain of narration... You're the one who taught me that only the book of Allah is infallible, and scrutinise others and even Sahih Bukhari has its flaws. And there are only three scenarios we can derive from here:

1. Imam Nafi R.A. and Imam Al-Bukhari R.A. were ignorant of these hadith, which is very unlikely:

The messenger of Allah S.A.W said:
Having intercourse with a woman in her back passage is a major sin and is one of the most heinous acts of disobedience, because it was narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Cursed is the one who has intercourse with his wife in her back passage.”
Narrated by Abu Dawood, 2162; classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.

It was reported from Khuzaymah ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah is not too shy to tell you the truth: do not have intercourse with your wives in the anus.”
Narrated by Imaam Ahmad, 5/213; a hasan hadeeth.


Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah will not look at a man who has intercourse with his wife in her anus.”

Narrated by Ibn Abi Shaybah, 3/529; narrated and classed as saheeh by al-Tirmidhi, 1165

The Prophet SAWS (Peace & Blessings of Allah be upon Him) also said: "The one who has intercourse with a menstruating woman, or with a woman in her rectum, or who goes to a fortune-teller, has disbelieved in what was revealed to Muhammad."
(Reported by al-Tirmidhi, no. 1/243; see also Saheeh al-Jaami', 5918).

And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah will not look at a man who had intercourse with a man or a woman in the back passage.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 1166; classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi. (How am I wrong if the messenger of Allah S.A.W classed the back passage of a man and a woman together?)

2. Imam Nafi was trying to spread fitnah and he was a hypocrite(May Allah protect him and have mercy upon his soul) and Imam Al-Bukhari R.A. was a jaheel Muhadith who lacked logic. This is highly unlikely.

3. Some one fabricated it and attributed it to them in order to spread fitnah. Which is the best case.

AlBaqir:



Al-Hafiz ibn Hajar al-Asqalani writes in his Fath al-Barr fi sharh sahih al-bukhari:

# Also, with  respect to the verse (223 of sura al-baqara) quoted in the hadith, another hadith revealed from Imam Tirmidhi documents:

Narrated Ibn Abbas:

"Umar came to the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) and said: O Messenger of Allah! I am ruined! He said: Why are you ruined? He said: I turned my mount during the night (meaning that he went into his wife from behind)." He said: "So the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) did not say anything in reply to him. Then Allah revealed this Ayah to the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him): Your wives are a tilth for you, so go to your tilth when or how you will (2:223). From the front, the back, avoiding the anus, and menstruation."


Grade: Hasan (Darussalam)

Source: Sunan Tirmidhi
English reference : Vol. 5, Book 44, Hadith 2980
Arabic reference : Book 47, Hadith 3247
https://sunnah.com/urn/639730


It seems there is a need to[b] “bring” [/b]another hadith to stand against the hadith of Imam Tirmidhi (above) which Imam al-Bukhari might have seen and decided not to record.

You're trying to make Imam Al-Bukhari R.A look like a hypocrite by Allah you will face only disgrace... Even Imam Az-Zuhuri's honour reduced because he spread rumours about Imam Al-Bukhari.

All the Salafi scholars know that it wasn't because of Umar R.A. that verse was revealed it was because of this situation (and you must be very silly to think that Umar R.A. would do such with his wife when he knows what the messenger of Allah S.A.W said about it):

Imam Ahmad recorded that Ibn `Abbas said, "The Ayah,
(نِسَآؤُكُمْ حَرْثٌ لَّكُمْ)
(Your wives are a tilth for you) was revealed about some people from the Ansar who came to the Prophet and asked him (about having sex with the wife from behind). He said to them:

«ائْتِهَا عَلى كُلِّ حَالٍ إِذَا كَانَ فِي الْفَرْج»

(Have sex with her as you like as long as that occurs in the vagina.)

Imam Ahmad recorded that `Abdullah bin Sabit said: I went to Hafsah bint `Abdur-Rahman bin Abu Bakr and said, "I wish to ask you about something, but I am shy.'' She said, "Do not be shy, O my nephew.'' He said, "About having sex from behind with women.'' She said, "Umm Salamah told me that the Ansar used to refrain from having sex from behind (in the vagina). The Jews claimed that those who have sex with their women from behind would have offspring with crossed-eyes. When the Muhajirun came to Al-Madinah, they married Ansar women and had sex with them from behind. One of these women would not obey her husband and said, `You will not do that until I go to Allah's Messenger (and ask him about this matter). ' She went to Umm Salamah and told her the story. Umm Salamah said, `Wait until Allah's Messenger comes.' When Allah's Messenger came, the Ansari woman was shy to ask him about this matter, so she left. Umm Salamah told Allah's Messenger the story and he said:

«ادْعِي الْأَنْصَارِيَّـة»

(Summon the Ansari woman.)''

She was summoned and he recited this Ayah to her:

﴿نِسَآؤُكُمْ حَرْثٌ لَّكُمْ فَأْتُواْ حَرْثَكُمْ أَنَّى شِئْتُمْ﴾

(Your wives are a tilth for you, so go to your tilth, when or how you will.) He added:

«صِمَامًا وَاحِدًا»

(Only in one valve (the vagina).)''

This Hadith was also collected by At-Tirmidhi who said, "Hasan.''

So where did you get your claim of Imam Al-Bukhari R.A. not wanting to narrate the hadith of Imam At-Tirmidhi?

Student of lies and fabrications.

AlBaqir:


Imam Bukhari documents:

Narrated Jabir:

Jews used to say: "If one has sexual intercourse with his wife from the back, then she will deliver a squint-eyed child." So this Verse was revealed:-- "Your wives are a tilth unto you; so go to your tilth when or how you will." (2.223)”

 Source: Sahih al-Bukhari
 USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 6, Book 60, Hadith 51
Arabic reference : Book 65, Hadith 4528
https://sunnah.com/urn/42060



Obviously there is a contradiction in the “sabab al-nuzul (reason of revelation)” of the ayah 223 of sura al-baqarah following the two ahadith (above). And it is not known anywhere that the ayah was revealed twice to address two different scenarios of the same context at different time. Besides, going by the matn (content) of Bukhari ‘s version, an impression is being created that the phrase “from the back”  means having sexual intercourse via the vaginal (and not via anus) but coming from the back side. This is because from the matn, the so-called Jews alleged that it can result to pregnancy of a squint eye child. Of course sex via anus cannot result to pregnancy. This Bukhari’s hadith compare to Tirmidhi’s version where the same verse with its interpretation (from the Prophet or Ibn Abbas) condemned the act of having sexual intercourse “from the back – anus” are in serious conflict.  Why we suspect Bukhari’s version greatly is the fact that in connection with the same ayah, he distorted the last piece of information in Nafi’s hadith about Ibn Umar’s interpretation (by ending a sentence with harf “fi – IN’) which most Salaf of the Ahlu Sunnah in ahadith confirmed to be “in anus”.

You slander the some of the most noble companions of Allah then who is Imam Al-Bukhari R.A not to be slandered by you?

This is something that is obvious Imam At-Tirmidhi R.A. and Imam Al-Bukhari R.A are totally against anal sex and why do you not narrate the hadith of Imam At-Tirmidhi R.A. that's similar to that of Imam Al-Bukhari R.A. but insist on that unclear Hadith?

You're desperately trying to save the faces of your retarded Ulama. Trying to twist things as usual to make At-Tirmidhi side you when he clearly against you.

Empiree:
Just accept your guilty or remain silent bro. You are mixing stuff up

And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah will not look at a man who had intercourse with a man or a woman in the back passage.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 1166; classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

How am I mixing stuff up if the messenger of Allah S.A.W classed the back passage of a man and a woman together?

AlBaqir:


While you have lied against Shia ulama and their rulings, your lies even took a step forward when you posted 2 links to support your lies. Unfortunately, those links ended exposing your lies the more. And mind you, none of those links are official website of those Shia maraji. Those are secondary links to their fiqh explanation.

Alas, from lying, you switch to stupidity and desperation. All because of your hatred to Shia? O ga o.

A man(Muslim or not) who dies having sex with his wife through the back passage and a man who is a homosexual will not be looked at by Allah on the day of Judgement. You talk as if you don't know humans, how many people do you think will fear Allah and not partake in this act if it is declared makrooh?

Will you say this website link is fake too:
https://www.al-islam.org/islamic-marriage-handbook-syed-athar-husayn-sh-rizvi/sexual-techniques#anal-intercourse

Even those ones you claimed are not official were gotten from Wikipedia, you're desperately trying to save the faces of your retarded ulama.

It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah will not look at a man who has intercourse with a woman in her back passage.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi (1165); classed as saheeh by Ibn Daqeeq al-‘Eid in al-Ilmaam (2/660) and by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah will not look at a man who had intercourse with a man or a woman in the back passage.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 1166; classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

The Prophet (saws) said: If anyone resorts to a diviner and believes in what he says or has intercourse with his wife when she is menstruating or has intercourse with his wife through her anus: he has nothing to do with what has been sent down to Muhammad (saws) (Abu Dawood : 3895)

If you're a shia and you don't follow the fatwa of your sheik Ayatullah al-Khu’i upon this matter intentionally and not out of ignorance you're a kafir.

najib632:
And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah will not look at a man who had intercourse with a man or a woman in the back passage.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 1166; classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

How am I mixing stuff up if the messenger of Allah S.A.W classed the back passage of a man and a woman together?

this is definition of homosexual in the Qur'an


And [We had sent] Lot when he said to his people, "Do you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds? Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people." Sura 7-80:81

Hadith simply frawn upon anal sex. It is Haram as far as I am concerned. But we talking about homosexual as we know it. Definition in the Qur'an is same sex having intercourse.

najib632:

A man(Muslim or not) who dies having sex with his wife through the back passage and a man who is a homosexual will not be looked at by Allah on the day of Judgement. You talk as if you don't know humans, how many people do you think will fear Allah and not partake in this act if it is declared makrooh?

Will you say this website link is fake too:
https://www.al-islam.org/islamic-marriage-handbook-syed-athar-husayn-sh-rizvi/sexual-techniques#anal-intercourse

# When will people like you learn?

First, you lied. You refused to humbled yourself after being corrected.

Second, you continue to meddle two different things together due to your ignorance and arrogance: two fundamental characteristics of shaitan. Are you one of his fans?

Third, anal sex is not haram as far as Shia fiqh is concerned. It is makrooh (undesirable act). Sunni ahadith is not in anyway an hujjah against Shia, and vice versa.

Sunni ulama have differences of opinion regarding anal sex: to some it is haram, to some it is makrooh and some even allowed it. Each of the three categories has its proofs. I have given you hadith of Ibn Umar.

Kindly get all these into your skull.

Lastly, Empiree continues to correct you that there is a difference between homosexuality and anal sex. Unfortunately you continue to be defiant, arrogant and fanatical. I feel sorry for your life man.

Empiree:
this is definition of homosexual in the Qur'an


And [We had sent] Lot when he said to his people, "Do you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds? Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people." Sura 7-80:81

Hadith simply frawn upon anal sex. It is Haram as far as I am concerned. But we talking about homosexual as we know it. Definition in the Qur'an is same sex having intercourse.

Salaamu alaikum brother, I appologise for how I reacted some few days ago please bear with me sometimes I allow my emotions to get the best of me. With all sincerity Allah is my witness why I categorised homosexuality and and anal sex together is because of the major difference between the male and female is the sexual organs and from this verse you quoted it shows that I was wrong for categorising homosexuality and and anal sex together, but I hope you've seen my reason for declaring them the same, which is because of that hadith, may Allah forgive us and guide us. But I will still maintain the stance that the Shi'a Ulama support anal sex the only scholar from amongst them that I know of who clearly stood against it is one of their Ulama Sheikh Ayatullah al-Khu’i.

AlBaqir:


# When will people like you learn?

First, you lied. You refused to humbled yourself after being corrected.

Second, you continue to meddle two different things together due to your ignorance and arrogance: two fundamental characteristics of shaitan. Are you one of his fans?

I did not say any lie it is you who tried to fabricate nonsense with only one hadith that is not clear that is lying, I only made a wrong statement, and ignorance is not a characteristic of shaytan if he was a Jaheel he wouldn't have succeeded in deceiving a large number people including the so called aalims and have the intelligence of renewing innovations and spreading falsehood. About me being arrogant is also false because no one has ever challenged of being so and Allah has not even given me anything worldly or in status that is enough to make me arrogant... if you had said I was being stubborn with my opinion then I have agreed with you.

AlBaqir:

Third, anal sex is not haram as far as Shia fiqh is concerned. It is makrooh (undesirable act). Sunni ahadith is not in anyway an hujjah against Shia, and vice versa.

If it is not a hujjah to you then leave us alone, why do you always attack our Ulama and quote hadith for us and twist things until Allah exposes you?

AlBaqir:

Sunni ulama have differences of opinion regarding anal sex: to some it is haram, to some it is makrooh and some even allowed it. Each of the three categories has its proofs. I have given you hadith of Ibn Umar.

Kindly get all these into your skull.

There's only one thing that's getting into my skull and that's the opinion that anal sex is haram and it is the opinion of all the schools of thought and the opinion of the Salaf may Allah have mercy on us. Any one who brings about something other than this and believes abd acts on it is a mubtad'i and he should wait for the day of judgement.

AlBaqir:

Lastly, Empiree continues to correct you that there is a difference between homosexuality and anal sex. Unfortunately you continue to be defiant, arrogant and fanatical. I feel sorry for your life man.

I agree that I refused his correction at first, but I have corrected my statement since the Qur'an side's with his definition. I will always repeat it I was only being defiant and somewhat fanatical but definitely not arrogant. Feel sorry for yourself and let me feel sorry for myself.

najib632:
I did not say any lie it is you who tried to fabricate nonsense with only one hadith that is not clear that is lying, I only made a wrong statement, and ignorance is not a characteristic of shaytan if he was a Jaheel he wouldn't have succeeded

First, you LIED against Shia ulama and attributed to them what is not theirs. You need to render your apology. Here's Quran :

Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 8:

O you who believe! Be upright for Allah, bearers of witness with justice, and let not hatred of a people incite you not to act equitably; act equitably, that is nearer to piety, and he careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is Aware of what you do."


Second, where and how did I fabricate nonsense? Most of your ulama might have unanimously agree that anal sex is haram but fact remains few of them allowed it. The chief of them was Sahabi Abdullah ibn Umar who based his evidence on his interpretation of that verse of the Quran. Imam Malik also allowed it though many people have tried to defend his point.

Third, Satan was an ignorant fellow. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have thought being created from fire is superior to being created from clay. He only uses deceit to lure people in, not knowledge.

I'm done with you anyway.qqqq?qqqqq

AlBaqir:


First, you LIED against Shia ulama and attributed to them what is not theirs. You need to render your apology. Here's Quran :

Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 8:

O you who believe! Be upright for Allah, bearers of witness with justice, and let not hatred of a people incite you not to act equitably; act equitably, that is nearer to piety, and he careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is Aware of what you do."


Second, where and how did I fabricate nonsense? Most of your ulama might have unanimously agree that anal sex is haram but fact remains few of them allowed it. The chief of them was Sahabi Abdullah ibn Umar who based his evidence on his interpretation of that verse of the Quran. Imam Malik also allowed it though many people have tried to defend his point.

Third, Satan was an ignorant fellow. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have thought being created from fire is superior to being created from clay. He only uses deceit to lure people in, not knowledge.

I'm done with you anyway.qqqq?qqqqq

I appologise to the Shi'a ulama for saying that they promote homosexuality, I did that out of ignorance may Allah forgive me, ameen. After that:
I still hold the opinion that they promote sex through the back passage because of their declaration of it being makrooh. That will give room to compromise amongst the Shi'a which could be a cause of doom and humiliation to them and their followers on the day of Judgement.

You who claims to be a hadith critic cannot see that the hadith of Nafi was fabricated and that the true reason for Umar R.A. going to meet the messenger of Allah S.A.W was not because of him approaching a woman from her back passage may Allah forgive you, are you trying to tell me that Umar will disobey the messenger of Allah S.A.W when he clearly knows of the consequences of doing so? You also lie against ibn Umar R.A. by attributing a fabricated hadith to him and Imam Malik R. by you translating approaching from behind to be from the back passage instead of the right place from behind. All of you who say this have hypocrisy in your hearts, by Allah you can approach a woman through her back passage from the front and also from the back, like wise for the right place... Stop acting like you do not know about positions of intimacy in the bedroom, it only matters from which position you approach.

Yeah whatever, to you I have attributes of shaytan but only Allah knows between the two of us who is closer to Him.

No one made mass takfir on Shias in the first place, but on their scholars who are known to curse and make takfir of Sunnis and their figures. So don't act as if you achieved something with this thread.