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Re: NJC Concludes Probe Of Onnoghen, Ibrahim Muhammad Silent On Findings by bishopkay: 11:52pm On Apr 03, 2019
garfield1:

Obviously based on that writeup.they dont want to embarrass the corrupt cjn in the media.the want to give him the last respect before he is retired.theres no way he won't be indicted for one charge or count.even if he is found innocent,they will recommend his retirement.....

Senatordave1 on what grounds at the bolded? When he's found innocent, go and retire him yourself!

You no just dey make sense again. BTW why you run leave your senator moniker? Did Wike injure you? Or perhaps Adamawa people humbled you abi?

We still dey wait you to go cancel the Adamawa election oo clown. Your dullness no dey hide even when you change moniker
Re: NJC Concludes Probe Of Onnoghen, Ibrahim Muhammad Silent On Findings by pchukwudi: 12:12am On Apr 04, 2019
Stop saying nonsense. NJC has absolute power over its officials. If there's anything here, they're merely trying to avoid heating up the polity any further. The presidency cannot ridicule the NJC or arbitrarily reverse their decisions without flouting the rule of law.

adanny01:


You guys had no idea of the law. NJC has zero power. What they do is recommend.

What ever they have in their recommendation, they do not want the president to override them which may cause a public outcry from people like you when they know that the president is not bound to their recommendation. It could also affect their council negatively or their personal capacities since Buhari's action can ridicule the council.

They took the best action such that whatever the president does, the true position of the NJC will not be known and the reputation of the council will be intact whether Buhari goes for or against their recommendation.
Re: NJC Concludes Probe Of Onnoghen, Ibrahim Muhammad Silent On Findings by Optionalx: 12:17am On Apr 04, 2019
adanny01:


You guys had no idea of the law. NJC has zero power. What they do is recommend.

What ever they have in their recommendation, they do not want the president to override them which may cause a public outcry from people like you when they know that the president is not bound to their recommendation. It could also affect their council negatively or their personal capacities since Buhari's action can ridicule the council.

They took the best action such that whatever the president does, the true position of the NJC will not be known and the reputation of the council will be intact whether Buhari goes for or against their recommendation.
This dumb analysis. sorry
FYI CJN has official immunity but Nigeria is a banana republic anything goes...
Re: NJC Concludes Probe Of Onnoghen, Ibrahim Muhammad Silent On Findings by sacx: 12:25am On Apr 04, 2019
Akainzo:


The National Judicial Commission ia actually a Federal EXECUTIVE body! It is not a body that reports to the Judiciary, rather it reports to the President.

Grab a copy of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria (CFRN) and go through it.

Stop displaying your ignorance here, it's nauseating. Because you read the NJC is an executive body under the federal government of Nigeria, you concluded it was under the executive arm of government. Did you also read where it was stated that it's role was to protect the judiciary against excesses from the Executive arm? How then is it under it?

I know say English nor be our language. Na lack of comprehension dey worry you grin

By the NJC being an executive body, 'executive' there means a person or group of persons having administrative or supervisory authority in an organization. So for the NJC to be an executive body, it plays an administrative and supervisory role over the judiciary. It is totally independent of the Executive arm of government

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Re: NJC Concludes Probe Of Onnoghen, Ibrahim Muhammad Silent On Findings by sacx: 12:30am On Apr 04, 2019
adanny01:


You guys had no idea of the law. NJC has zero power. What they do is recommend.

What ever they have in their recommendation, they do not want the president to override them which may cause a public outcry from people like you when they know that the president is not bound to their recommendation. It could also affect their council negatively or their personal capacities since Buhari's action can ridicule the council.

They took the best action such that whatever the president does, the true position of the NJC will not be known and the reputation of the council will be intact whether Buhari goes for or against their recommendation.

And to imagine that three humans liked this post angry
Re: NJC Concludes Probe Of Onnoghen, Ibrahim Muhammad Silent On Findings by garfield1: 12:48am On Apr 04, 2019
bishopkay:


Senatordave1 on what grounds at the bolded? When he's found innocent, go and retire him yourself!

You no just dey make sense again. BTW why you run leave your senator moniker? Did Wike injure you? Or perhaps Adamawa people humbled you abi?

We still dey wait you to go cancel the Adamawa election oo clown. Your dullness no dey hide even when you change moniker
Trash from juvenile delinquents
Re: NJC Concludes Probe Of Onnoghen, Ibrahim Muhammad Silent On Findings by adanny01(m): 6:50am On Apr 04, 2019
sacx:


And to imagine that three humans liked this post angry

Looks like you are one of the people who thought that the NJC would reverse what Buhari did, unfortunately, they know they don't have such powers. Rather, they chose to protect the integrity of the judiciary over their
issues.

As far as am concerned, the NJC saved the judiciary major embarrassment thereby protecting the integrity of the judiciary from Buhari's further action.

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Re: NJC Concludes Probe Of Onnoghen, Ibrahim Muhammad Silent On Findings by Marxist77: 7:21am On Apr 04, 2019
Stupidity of d highest order. So Mr President is now a feudal lord who is seen as d center of everything in nigeria. How have d judicial institution gotten so week to this point where those in power manipuale it to their advantage

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Re: NJC Concludes Probe Of Onnoghen, Ibrahim Muhammad Silent On Findings by adanny01(m): 7:22am On Apr 04, 2019
Optionalx:

This dumb analysis. sorry
FYI CJN has official immunity but Nigeria is a banana republic anything goes...


From where did the CJN get immunity from, constitution of Banana republic?

Can you quote the Constitution exactly where that immunity for CJN was mention?

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Re: NJC Concludes Probe Of Onnoghen, Ibrahim Muhammad Silent On Findings by adanny01(m): 7:26am On Apr 04, 2019
pchukwudi:
Stop saying nonsense. NJC has absolute power over its officials. If there's anything here, they're merely trying to avoid heating up the polity any further. The presidency cannot ridicule the NJC or arbitrarily reverse their decisions without flouting the rule of law.


Can they sack any single judge? Can they appoint a judge? Can they swear in a judge? Can they suspend a judge?

They have no such powers. The power they have is to recommend all these actions but not by themselves.

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Re: NJC Concludes Probe Of Onnoghen, Ibrahim Muhammad Silent On Findings by pchukwudi: 7:50am On Apr 04, 2019
Can the president or governor perform any of those actions outside their recommendations? Nope.

That's called separation of powers and counter balancing.

adanny01:


Can they sack any single judge? Can they appoint a judge? Can they swear in a judge? Can they suspend a judge?

They have no such powers. The power they have is to recommend all these actions but not by themselves.

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Re: NJC Concludes Probe Of Onnoghen, Ibrahim Muhammad Silent On Findings by komekn(m): 8:21am On Apr 04, 2019
adanny01:


You guys had no idea of the law. NJC has zero power. What they do is recommend.

What ever they have in their recommendation, they do not want the president to override them which may cause a public outcry from people like you when they know that the president is not bound to their recommendation. It could also affect their council negatively or their personal capacities since Buhari's action can ridicule the council.

They took the best action such that whatever the president does, the true position of the NJC will not be known and the reputation of the council will be intact whether Buhari goes for or against their recommendation.

Dictatorship rely entirely on usurping the power of others and concentrating power in themselves.

Our legislative arm is impotent.

Our Judiciary is impotent.

And now they are reporting to the President where is the check and balance from the separation of powers.

I don't ascribe to your inference, the NJC has constitutional recognition and is independent of the executive. But it seems the EFCC and CCT both within the Executive alm are being used unconstitutionally to to perpetrat unlawful governance by coercion through blackmail of prosecution.

DANGEROUS TIMES FOR OUR NATION.
Re: NJC Concludes Probe Of Onnoghen, Ibrahim Muhammad Silent On Findings by bishopkay: 8:25am On Apr 04, 2019
grin pained asshOle

garfield1:

Trash from juvenile delinquents
Re: NJC Concludes Probe Of Onnoghen, Ibrahim Muhammad Silent On Findings by adanny01(m): 8:36am On Apr 04, 2019
pchukwudi:
Can the president or governor perform any of those actions outside their recommendations? Nope.

That's called separation of powers and counter balancing.


No they can't, but they have the right to reject the recommendation. They are not bound to it.
Re: NJC Concludes Probe Of Onnoghen, Ibrahim Muhammad Silent On Findings by garfield1: 8:41am On Apr 04, 2019
bishopkay:
grin pained asshOle

Trashy boy
Re: NJC Concludes Probe Of Onnoghen, Ibrahim Muhammad Silent On Findings by adanny01(m): 8:47am On Apr 04, 2019
komekn:


Dictatorship rely entirely on usurping the power of others and concentrating power in themselves.

Our legislative arm is impotent.

Our Judiciary is impotent.

And now they are reporting to the President where is the check and balance from the separation of powers.

I don't ascribe to your inference, the NJC has constitutional recognition and is independent of the executive. But it seems the EFCC and CCT both within the Executive alm are being used unconstitutionally to to perpetrat unlawful governance by coercion through blackmail of prosecution.

DANGEROUS TIMES FOR OUR NATION.

Have you even seen the powers of the NJC for yourself? They derive their power from the president for Gods sake.

NJC has no power of control over the Judiciary, the president is the power, their is not to order but to recommend or advise.


The National Judicial Council shall have the power to:

1. Recommend to the President from among the list of persons submitted to it by -
o the Federal Judicial Service Commission, persons for appointment to the Offices of the Chief Justice of Nigeria, the Justices of the Supreme Court, the President and Justices of the Court of Appeal, the Chief Judge and Judges of the Federal High Court, and
o the Judicial Service Committee of the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja, persons for appointment to the Offices of the Chief Judge and Judges of the High Court of the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja, the Grand Kadi and Kadis of the Sharia Court of Appeal of the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja and the President and Judges of the Customary Court of Appeal of the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja;

2. recommend to the President the removal from office of the Judicial Officers specified in sub-paragraph (a) of this paragraph, and to exercise disciplinary control over such Officers;

3. recommend to the Governors from among the list of persons submitted to it by the State Judicial Service Commissions persons for appointments to the Offices of the Chief Judges of the States and Judges of the High Courts of the States, the Grand Kadis and Kadis of the Sharia Courts of Appeal of the States; and President and Judges of the Customary Courts of Appeal of the States;

4. recommend to the Governors the removal from office of the Judicial Officers specified in sub-paragraph (c) of this paragraph, and to exercise disciplinary control over such officers;

5. collect, control and disburse all moneys, capital and recurrent, for the judiciary;

6. advise the President and Governors in any matter pertaining to the judiciary as may be referred to the Council by the President or the Governors;

7. appoint, dismiss and exercise disciplinary control over Members and staff of the Council;

8. control and disburse all monies, capital and recurrent, for the services of the Council; and

9.deal with all other matters relating to broad issues of policy and administration.

10. The Secretary of the Council shall be appointed by the National Judicial Council on the recommendation of the Federal Judicial Service Commission and shall be a Legal Practitioner.”

WRT 7, they have control over the staff and membership of the NJC but not outside the council.

Our constitution is flawed, i agree. All the heads of the 3 arms of government should be elective in my opinion such that no one controls the other. But as far as the head of the executive is the one who has the power to appoint, swear in, and removed the head of the judiciary, the judiciary is not completely independent.

They only have the power on the money appropriated for the Judiciary.

They have power to appoint the secretary of the council.
Re: NJC Concludes Probe Of Onnoghen, Ibrahim Muhammad Silent On Findings by sacx: 9:04am On Apr 04, 2019
adanny01:


Looks like you are one of the people who thought that the NJC would reverse what Buhari did, unfortunately, they know they don't have such powers. Rather, they chose to protect the integrity of the judiciary over their
issues.

As far as am concerned, the NJC saved the judiciary major embarrassment thereby protecting the integrity of the judiciary from Buhari's further action.

And to think you even quoted me further to prove a point angry. I'm allergic to opinions that try to blindly prove a point when they don't have the most basic of facts about the matter. Did you study government at secondary school? You simply have no understanding of the separation of powers.
Re: NJC Concludes Probe Of Onnoghen, Ibrahim Muhammad Silent On Findings by adanny01(m): 11:36am On Apr 04, 2019
sacx:


And to think you even quoted me further to prove a point angry. I'm allergic to opinions that try to blindly prove a point when they don't have the most basic of facts about the matter. Did you study government at secondary school? You simply have no understanding of the separation of powers.

If it were for real you are allergic to contrary opinions then I wish it were true too such that i will make sure allergic reactions the size of gangrene appears all over your body.

You that studied government to Professor level should be wise enough to offer your own opinion instead being allergic to other people's opinion. In fact, proof your own opinion instead of criticisms and abuse. Trying to act smart with zero smart opinion is dumb.
Re: NJC Concludes Probe Of Onnoghen, Ibrahim Muhammad Silent On Findings by sacx: 12:51pm On Apr 04, 2019
adanny01:


If it were for real you are allergic to contrary opinions then I wish it were true too such that i will make sure allergic reactions the size of gangrene appears all over your body.

You that studied government to Professor level should be wise enough to offer your own opinion instead being allergic to other people's opinion. In fact, proof your own opinion instead of criticisms and abuse. Trying to act smart with zero smart opinion is dumb.

I'm not allergic to contrary opinion, No. I'm allergic to stoopid opinions. Now you made me use that word angry. Go read on the separation of powers and come back to make a mockery of you earlier comment. Peace out.
Re: NJC Concludes Probe Of Onnoghen, Ibrahim Muhammad Silent On Findings by adanny01(m): 2:54pm On Apr 04, 2019
sacx:


I'm not allergic to contrary opinion, No. I'm allergic to stoopid opinions. Now you made me use that word angry. Go read on the separation of powers and come back to make a mockery of you earlier comment. Peace out.

What law is separation of powers? Can you quote it?

Seperation of powers is not law, its a principle. It is not law in itself in the Constitution. It is a principle on which laws are made. Therefore it is the law that enforces seperation of powers. In this case, Buhari as a president has his lawful duties derived by the Constitution so has the CJN. However, the law places the appointment of the CJN in the hands of the president, Senate and NJC. This does not breach any constitutional responsibility given to the CJN and so cannot be said that seperation of powers has been violated. Even if he did, it is the Constitution that allowed such action of the president to violate the Constitution so the blame is on the Constitution not the president.

To think that seperation of powers is what you have been holding on to as an opinion is laughable. Talk about facts not principles which are broken every single day in Nigeria. Am sure you even had to break the principle of common sense in calling my opinions stupid. Yours is a classic case of the blind window shopper.

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Re: NJC Concludes Probe Of Onnoghen, Ibrahim Muhammad Silent On Findings by Optionalx: 5:36pm On Apr 04, 2019
adanny01:


From where did the CJN get immunity from, constitution of Banana republic?

Can you quote the Constitution exactly where that immunity for CJN was mention?
Go check what’s called official immunity.
There are clear procedures to remove a CJN before you talk of trail. Education yourself...
Re: NJC Concludes Probe Of Onnoghen, Ibrahim Muhammad Silent On Findings by adanny01(m): 6:15pm On Apr 04, 2019
Optionalx:

Go check what’s called official immunity.
There are clear procedures to remove a CJN before you talk of trail. Education yourself...

Why cant you state it here for the benefit of all where you found it cause i checked I didnt see.
Re: NJC Concludes Probe Of Onnoghen, Ibrahim Muhammad Silent On Findings by Akainzo(m): 12:07pm On Apr 05, 2019
sacx:


Stop displaying your ignorance here, it's nauseating. Because you read the NJC is an executive body under the federal government of Nigeria, you concluded it was under the executive arm of government. Did you also read where it was stated that it's role was to protect the judiciary against excesses from the Executive arm? How then is it under it?

I know say English nor be our language. Na lack of comprehension dey worry you grin

By the NJC being an executive body, 'executive' there means a person or group of persons having administrative or supervisory authority in an organization. So for the NJC to be an executive body, it plays an administrative and supervisory role over the judiciary. It is totally independent of the Executive arm of government

All that you've written above is just a display of ignorance, The Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria is clear, the NJC is a Federal Executive body. It's role might be to protect the judiciary or play administrative roles but it is still an executive body.
Re: NJC Concludes Probe Of Onnoghen, Ibrahim Muhammad Silent On Findings by sacx: 2:43pm On Apr 05, 2019
Akainzo:


All that you've written above is just a display of ignorance, The Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria is clear, the NJC is a Federal Executive body. It's role might be to protect the judiciary or play administrative roles but it is still an executive body.

You know nothing Jon Snow grin
Re: NJC Concludes Probe Of Onnoghen, Ibrahim Muhammad Silent On Findings by Akainzo(m): 6:06pm On Apr 07, 2019
sacx:


You know nothing Jon Snow grin

Thanks! I do however know the constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. You should go and read it.

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