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CANTICLES:
Not valid, remember there are others refered to as gods , to make it valid, u must add them too

Infantile argument. Was it translated from the hebrew word "Elohim"?

In Igbo we have Chi and Chukwu. They are not the same but both means God in English.

ChristianNorth:
Of course, you are a god but you are not divine . Colossian says "in Jesus dwells all the fullness of divine attributes bodily"

Simple question, who created the heaven and earth in Genesis? Of course, God.

But both of us know that anything that was made was made by Jesus. John said it, Peter said it and Paul also said it.

So Jesus is GOD.

You are not making any sense, @bold , will humans not become partakers of that DIVINE NATURE ? They must be Gods, add them to the list , then I will take you serious

ChristianNorth:
Infantile argument. Was it translated from the hebrew word "Elohim"?

In Igbo we have Chi and Chukwu. They are not the same but both means God in English.

Stop saying rubbish

Psalm 82:6 humans are called Elohim. Do u agree to add them to the list of Gods, now ?

CANTICLES:
You are not making any sense, @bold , will humans not become partakers of that DIVINE NATURE ? They must be Gods, add them to the list , then I will take you serious

Anything that suits you. Even if Jesus come down today to tell you "hey! you got to kidding me" you would still argue with him.

We know the organisation you are coming from. We know they don't reason beyond what their Awake says

ChristianNorth:
Because of the following portions in the Bible.

1. Jesus is the first born of all creations and through him everything that was made was made. This shows that Jesus was created.

2. And He gave him (Jesus) all the powers and authority in Heaven. This shows Jesus derives his powers from a superior power.

3. Father if you will, let this cup pass over me. This shows that there is a will that supercedes that of Jesus.

4. My father judges no one, but has committed all judgments to the son. Of course, a father is a greater than the son.

5. I do the will of Him that sent me. Jesus takes order and he is responsible to that supreme one.

There are over a 100 verse that shows the supremacy of Jehovah.

ChristianNorth:
There is no single christian organisation that recognises Jesus as the supreme god.

You guys understanding of trinity is wacked and the way you people depicts it graphically is so stupid.

Trinity is the union of the father, son and Holy spirit as one. This means there is one God who exists in 3 dimensions. They are the same and yet separate.


Keep interpreting the Bible to suit your warped ideologies, the truth remains that Jesus is a God.

You guys believe that everything that was made was made by Jesus, that Jehovah created only Jesus, the first born of all creations.

Yeah, you are right because the Bible said so.

The same Bible said, in the beginning God created Heaven and Earth.

If you believe that God created everything and that everything that was made was made through Jesus, then simple logic says he is a God.

Jesus is A God not God.

ChristianNot agrees that JWs "are right because the Bible said so.... Jehovah created only Jesus, the first born of all creations.... Jesus is a God, not God"


Your speaking from both sides of your mouth already exposes the fallacy of your Trinity scam.
"Jehovah is Supreme God,Jesus is not. But Jesus is a God,not God.. they are the same.

"Mystery of the Trinity
1+1+1=Nonsense"
Source: BBC online.


Christian Not ,sense not not...

Emusan:
Now using Hebrew to spew nonsense...

Show me where it was translated as MIGHTY GOD for human and angels in your translation...

Then why was it translated as MIGHTY GOD for Jehovah and Jesus Christ?

Caught . the root word Is the same. If they translate as mighty Gods for those humans, silly people like you will still ask how many Gods we Christians have. Its clear the original thought when applied to humans has nothing to do with trinity .

A son will be born [as Human ] and called.

ChristianNorth:
Anything that suits you. Even if Jesus come down today to tell you "hey! you got to kidding me" you would still argue with him.

We know the organisation you are coming from. We know they don't reason beyond what their Awake says

Simple question u cannot answer, don't be silly , is it Awake that said humans will be partakers of DIVINE nature ?

ChristianNorth:
It is a mystery. It doesn't mean the doctrine doesn't have basic tenets.

Three different persons yet they are one and co-internal. This means the Father is the same as the Son, he is the same as the Spirit while Jesus is the same as the Holy Spirit.

For instance, Isaiah called Jesus the eternal father, Jesus said, I and my father are one. 1 Cor 3:17 says "Now the Lord (Jehova) is that Spirit and where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

In fact there are over 15 verses that prove Jehovah is the same as the Holy Spirit.

Jesus said in John 14 "I will not leave you comfortless, I will come to you again" He is Holy Spirit.

In the Gospel of John 13:20, Jesus tells his disciples that “whoever receives the Holy Spirit receives Jesus and whoever receives Jesus receives God who sent him in their hearts”.

Despite this co-internality, they are different persons and they are not equals. This is the mystery.

Jesus said "Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father"

Jesus must have forgotten that Holy Spirit was also a God

CANTICLES:
Caught.

Self consolation!

the root word Is the same.

Nice one!

If they translate as mighty Gods for those humans, silly people like you will still ask how many Gods we Christians have.

They didn't translate it as MIGHTY GOD for human so that silly people like JWs will know only Jehovah is a MIGHTY GOD but was translated as MIGHTY GOD for Jesus who is also a human!

Its clear the original thought when applied to humans has nothing to do with trinity

idiot don't divert our attention here...

If not because you're silly, shouldn't this tell you that for the root word to be translated as MIGHTY GOD for both Jehovah and Jesus means much more than what you people are claiming?

A son will be born [as Human ] and called.

Yet your silly hand could type "If they translate as mighty Gods for those humans,..." so isn't Jesus human again?

ChristianNorth:
It is a mystery. It doesn't mean the doctrine doesn't have basic tenets.

Three different persons yet they are one and co-internal. This means the Father is the same as the Son, he is the same as the Spirit while Jesus is the same as the Holy Spirit.

For instance, Isaiah called Jesus the eternal father, Jesus said, I and my father are one. 1 Cor 3:17 says "Now the Lord (Jehova) is that Spirit and where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

In fact there are over 15 verses that prove Jehovah is the same as the Holy Spirit.

Jesus said in John 14 "I will not leave you comfortless, I will come to you again" He is Holy Spirit.

In the Gospel of John 13:20, Jesus tells his disciples that “whoever receives the Holy Spirit receives Jesus and whoever receives Jesus receives God who sent him in their hearts”.

Despite this co-internality, they are different persons and they are not equals. This is the mystery.

Even children sef dey for the co-internality (Luke9:48)

Plus Jesus disciples kpakpa,all of them dey the co-internality. Luke 10:16
Lol.

but wait ooo!
John 13:20" I tell you the truth, whoever accepts anyone I send accepts me ; and whoever accepts me accepts the one who sent me"
John 13:20

Since, according to you ,father and Jesus is one.
Then, a man & harlot is one just as a believer and Jesus is one
1cor6:16,17.
Man and wife is one (Mal2:15. Matt19:5 ,6).

Your twisted "Father and Jesus is one" misinterpretation is faulty.

The oneness of Jesus and believer is the same oneness of man and wife ;Father and Jesus ,harlot and a man.

Emusan:
Self consolation!



Nice one!



They didn't translate it as MIGHTY GOD for human so that silly people like JWs will know only Jehovah is a MIGHTY GOD but was translated as MIGHTY GOD for Jesus who is also a human!



idiot don't divert our attention here...

If not because you're silly, shouldn't this tell you that for the root word to be translated as MIGHTY GOD for both Jehovah and Jesus means much more than what you people are claiming?




Yet your silly hand could type "If they translate as mighty Gods for those humans,..." so isn't Jesus human again?

Since u refuse to be wise.
Those humans are Mighty Gods too . cephi ni

haywizzy007:
Jesus said "Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father"

Jesus must have forgotten that Holy Spirit was also a God

Even Jesus didn't know even as a God. Trinity is too simple to understand but you guys are just being mischievous.

ChristianNorth:
Even Jesus didn't know even as a God. Trinity is too simple to understand but you guys are just being mischievous.

You admitted in one of your posts the trinity doctrine is a mystery and now you are saying it is simple...Are you that confused?

Paul wrote "there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him" (1 Cor. 8:6)

Paul too must have forgotten about the Holy Spirit being a God when he wrote those words.

ChristianNorth will you now admit you are serving a mysterious God?

OLAADEGBU:
Jehovah's Witness' Beliefs

1. There is one God in one person, Make Sure of All Things, p. 188. (See False God)

2. There is no Trinity, Let God be True, 2nd Ed., pp. 100-101; Should You Believe in the Trinity? p. 7; Watchtower, 2/1/1960, p. 94, Why Do You Believe in the Trinity? (See False Trinity)

3. The Holy Spirit is a force, not alive, Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, pp. 406-407. (See False Holy Spirit)

4. The Holy Spirit is God's impersonal active force, The Watchtower, June 1, 1952,
p. 24.

5. Jehovah's first creation was his 'only-begotten Son' . . . was used by Jehovah in creating all other things," Aid to Bible Understanding, pp. 390-391.

6. Jesus was Michael the archangel who became a man, The Watchtower, May 15,
1963, p. 307; The New World, 284.

7. Jesus was only a perfect man, not God in flesh, Reasoning from the Scriptures,
1985, p. 306.

8. Jesus did not rise from the dead in his physical body, Awake! July 22, 1973, p. 4.

9. Jesus was raised "not a human creature, but a spirit." Let God be True, p. 276.

10. Jesus was born again, The Watchtower, Nov. 15, 1954, p. 682.

OLAADEGBU:
Here is a list of what Jehovah's witnesses believe about God, Jesus and the doctrines of the Bible:

https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses-beliefs

Jehovah's Witness' Beliefs

OLAADEGBU:
6. Jesus was Michael the archangel who became a man, The Watchtower, May 15,
1963, p. 307; The New World, 284.

7. Jesus was only a perfect man, not God in flesh, Reasoning from the Scriptures,
1985, p. 306.

8. Jesus did not rise from the dead in his physical body, Awake! July 22, 1973, p. 4.

9. Jesus was raised "not a human creature, but a spirit." Let God be True, p. 276.

10. Jesus was born again, The Watchtower, Nov. 15, 1954, p. 682.

11. Jesus did not die on a cross but on a stake, Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985,
pp. 89-90.

12. Jesus began his invisible rule over the earth in 1914, The Truth Shall Make You Free,
p. 300.

13. Jesus' ransom sacrifice did not include Adam.
1. "The man Adam is not included in those ransomed. Why not? Because he was a willful sinner, was justly sentenced to death, and died deservedly and God would not reverse his judgment and give Adam life." Let God be True, p. 119, copyright 1946.
2. "There was no hope for Adam or Eve because they willfully chose to disobey God. But what about their offspring, including us?" http://www.watchtower.org/e/bh/article_05.htm

14. Their church is the self-proclaimed prophet of God, The Watchtower, April 1,
1972, p. 197.

15. They claim to be the only channel of God's truth, The Watchtower, Feb. 15,
1981, p. 19.

Jehovah's Witness' Beliefs

OLAADEGBU:
11. Jesus did not die on a cross but on a stake, Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985,
pp. 89-90.

12. Jesus began his invisible rule over the earth in 1914, The Truth Shall Make You Free,
p. 300.

13. Jesus' ransom sacrifice did not include Adam.
1. "The man Adam is not included in those ransomed. Why not? Because he was a willful sinner, was justly sentenced to death, and died deservedly and God would not reverse his judgment and give Adam life." Let God be True, p. 119, copyright 1946.
2. "There was no hope for Adam or Eve because they willfully chose to disobey God. But what about their offspring, including us?" http://www.watchtower.org/e/bh/article_05.htm

14. Their church is the self-proclaimed prophet of God, The Watchtower, April 1,
1972, p. 197.

15. They claim to be the only channel of God's truth, The Watchtower, Feb. 15,
1981, p. 19.

16. Only their church members will be saved, The Watchtower, Feb. 15, 1979, p. 30.
17. Good works are necessary for salvation, Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 1,
pp. 150, 152.
18. The soul ceases to exist after death, Let God be True, pp. 59, 60, 67.
19. There is no hell of fire where the wicked are punished, Let God be True, pp. 79, 80.
20. Only 144,000 Jehovah's Witness go to heaven, Reasoning from the Scriptures,
1985, pp. 166-167, 361; Let God be True, p. 121.

OLAADEGBU:
Jehovah's Witness' Beliefs



16. Only their church members will be saved, The Watchtower, Feb. 15, 1979, p. 30.
17. Good works are necessary for salvation, Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 1,
pp. 150, 152.
18. The soul ceases to exist after death, Let God be True, pp. 59, 60, 67.
19. There is no hell of fire where the wicked are punished, Let God be True, pp. 79, 80.
20. Only 144,000 Jehovah's Witness go to heaven, Reasoning from the Scriptures,
1985, pp. 166-167, 361; Let God be True, p. 121.

Jesus has cleared the air on your matter!
You only worship God with your lips but your heart is far far far away removed from him! Mark 7:6
When it comes to mentioning the names of ancient servants of God, you people sing their praises. But whenever you sight any of your own contemporaries following their footsteps you raise alarm as if they're criminals worthy of execution! John 8:40

You yourself have always spoken against the Catholic Church that initiated all what Jehovah's Witnesses are debunking as FAKE Church, now what made this religious group FAKE if not the teachings all of you inherited from them?

Jehovah's Witnesses who have stood out totally as having nothing to do with all those teachings you're now speaking against, all because they claim to be the only organization worshiping their own God!

Haba! Why not help those you have been telling all sorts of stories about FAKE religion how they can identify the TRUE Church of Christ?

Logically, it makes no sense parading or exhibiting fake currencies in a bid to helping people not to become victims of FAKE currency, the most sensible approach is presenting the one and only legal tender so that whenever they come across any currency which features aren't matching with the original they will easily know that such is FAKE!

However you've done a lot of promotion for God's organization because those who have been wondering why all these churches are bunch of failures can try JWs approach to having the wisdom from above! 1Peter 2:12

God bless you Sir!

false jw quote:

"The dead are merely “asleep” (unconscious), until they are resurrected"




dig up a old grave, take the lid of the coffin and you will find remnants of
dry skin, and bones. yet that person is merely asleep, laugh

however the spirit of the deceased, that was given by God and has returned to God can be described as asleep until the resurrection

Mat_7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

2Pe_2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Mat_15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

Jesus is God in the flesh

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Maximus69:
Jesus has cleared the air on your matter!
You only worship God with your lips but your heart is far far far away removed from him! Mark 7:6
When it comes to mentioning the names of ancient servants of God, you people sing their praises. But whenever you sight any of your own contemporaries following their footsteps you raise alarm as if they're criminals worthy of execution! John 8:40

You yourself have always spoken against the Catholic Church that initiated all what Jehovah's Witnesses are debunking as FAKE Church, now what made this religious group FAKE if not the teachings all of you inherited from them?

Jehovah's Witnesses who have stood out totally as having nothing to do with all those teachings you're now speaking against, all because they claim to be the only organization worshiping their own God!

Haba! Why not help those you have been telling all sorts of stories about FAKE religion how they can identify the TRUE Church of Christ?

Logically, it makes no sense parading or exhibiting fake currencies in a bid to helping people not to become victims of FAKE currency, the most sensible approach is presenting the one and only legal tender so that whenever they come across any currency which features aren't matching with the original they will easily know that such is FAKE!

However you've done a lot of promotion for God's organization because those who have been wondering why all these churches are bunch of failures can try JWs approach to having the wisdom from above! 1Peter 2:12

God bless you Sir!

All I do is to shine the gospel light into the darkness for folks to see the creepy crawlies hiding in the attic.

If you guys are not hypocrites why in the world does your Watchtower society use Jesuit sources when translating the NWT bible? Do you know where the Jesuits come from? As if that is not bad enough your society used the corrupted Roman Catholic manuscripts. Maybe the Watchtower is closely linked to the Vatican than what you've been indoctrinated.

OLAADEGBU:
All I do is to shine the gospel light into the darkness for folks to see the creepy crawlies hiding in the attic.

If you guys are not hypocrites why in the world does your Watchtower society use Jesuit sources when translating the NWT bible? Do you know where the Jesuits come from? As if that is not bad enough your society used the corrupted Roman Catholic manuscripts. Maybe the Watchtower is closely linked to the Vatican than what you've been indoctrinated.

BY THEIR FRUIT! Jesus said. Matthew 7:15-20
Kumuyi has been gathering you guys together now for over 30 years ago, and what is the result?
¤You're always like sadists everywhere you go, so that most people notice that there is no LOVE or JOY in your members! Galatians 5:22
¤You people were taught to believe that unbelievers will be roasted alive forever inside fire, yet you're ever angry with these so called victims of Hell as if they're eating your food, rather than speaking with them to help them!
So what is the proof of the holy spirit in your midst, if there is no LOVE, JOY or PEACE in your Church?

Maximus69:
BY THEIR FRUIT! Jesus said. Matthew 7:15-20
Kumuyi has been gathering you guys together now for over 30 years ago, and what is the result?
¤You're always like sadists everywhere you go, so that most people notice that there is no LOVE or JOY in your members! Galatians 5:22
¤You people were taught to believe that unbelievers will be roasted alive forever inside fire, yet you're ever angry with these so called victims of Hell as if they're eating your food, rather than speaking with them to help them!
So what is the proof of the holy spirit in your midst, if there is no LOVE, JOY or PEACE in your Church?

Is it because I exposed your lies by shining the light on your secrets that you have now resorted to ad hominems? What kind of love do you expect me to show to dirty rats hiding in my attic? I can give you the reference to the claim I made above. (Jose Maria Bover S.J. and A Mark S.J. and this can be found in the Foreword of the 1950 edition of the New World Translation).

You can see how your Watchtower Society is tied closer to the Roman Catholic Church than you've been led to believe.

OLAADEGBU:
Is it because I exposed your lies by shining the light on your secrets that you have now resorted to ad hominems? What kind of love do you expect me to show to dirty rats hiding in my attic? I can give you the reference to the claim I made above. (Jose Maria Bover S.J. and A Mark S.J. and this can be found in the Foreword of the 1950 edition of the New World Translation).

You can see how your Watchtower Society is tied closer to the Roman Catholic Church than you've been led to believe.

So if you can't speak FRIENDLY with your neighbours about your faith, how are you like Jesus? Luke 7:34-35
About the exposing issue, it is everywhere on social media but thousands are still flocking in to serve our God due to the good works they're SEEING in God's organization! Matthew 5:14-16 compared to James 2:18

Maximus69:
So if you can't speak FRIENDLY with your neighbours about your faith, how are you like Jesus? Luke 7:34-35
About the exposing issue, it is everywhere on social media but thousands are still flocking in to serve our God due to the good works they're SEEING in God's organization! Matthew 5:14-16 compared to James 2:18

Who's your friend, my friend? I don't speak 'friendly' with rodents who are not willing to enter the gate of eternal life but will rather hinder those who will go in. Tell me how 'friendly' Jesus' comment to the Pharisees were in the verse below.

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for you neither go in yourselves, neither suffer them that are entering to go in" (Matthew 23:13).

"You serpents, you generation of vipers, how can you escape the damnation of hell?" (Matthew 23:33).

OLAADEGBU:
Who's your friend, my friend? I don't speak 'friendly' with rodents who are not willing to enter the gate of eternal life but will rather hinder those who will go in. Tell me how 'friendly' Jesus' comment to the Pharisees were in the verse below.

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for you neither go in yourselves, neither suffer them that are entering to go in" (Matthew 23:13).

"You serpents, you generation of vipers, how can you escape the damnation of hell?" (Matthew 23:33).

No problem about those who oppose your preaching, what about others who are just living in your neighbourhood because i've never seen your church people preaching friendly to neighbours unless Kumuyi gave them invitations with his picture to share!
So if you can't be friends with Pharisees, is it everyone in your neighbourhood that is also a Pharisee?

Maximus69:
No problem about those who oppose your preaching, what about others who are just living in your neighbourhood because i've never seen your church people preaching friendly to neighbours unless Kumuyi gave them invitations with his picture to share!
So if you can't be friends with Pharisees, is it everyone in your neighbourhood that is also a Pharisee?

What would Jesus do?

"And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in his house, many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and His disciples: for there were many, and they followed Him. And when the scribes and Pharisees saw Him eat with publicans and sinners, they said to His disciples, How is it that He eats and drinks with publicans and sinners? When Jesus heard it, He said to them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." (Mark 2:15-17).

Jesus associated with the publicans and sinners, He dined with them and His mission was to call sinners to repentance and since the scribes and the Pharisees thought they were righteous they felt that they had no need of the Saviour just as you have made the choice of the Watchtower magazine over the inspired Word of God. I reach out to the sinners in my neighbourhood just as Jesus did, it would be a waste of my time trying to teach a pig how to sing because it will get annoyed.

OLAADEGBU:
What would Jesus do?

"And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in his house, many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and His disciples: for there were many, and they followed Him. And when the scribes and Pharisees saw Him eat with publicans and sinners, they said to His disciples, How is it that He eats and drinks with publicans and sinners? When Jesus heard it, He said to them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." (Mark 2:15-17).

Jesus associated with the publicans and sinners, He dined with them and His mission was to call sinners to repentance and since the scribes and the Pharisees thought they were righteous they felt that they had no need of the Saviour just as you have made the choice of the Watchtower magazine over the inspired Word of God. I reach out to the sinners in my neighbourhood just as Jesus did, it would be a waste of my time trying to teach a pig how to sing because it will get annoyed.

Great!
So keep it up!

Maximus69:
Great!
So keep it up!

You are getting beaten here. Go to the thread below and debunk it.


https://www.nairaland.com/5253714/debunking-lies-jehovahs-witnesses-jesus#79486176

alBHAGDADI:
You are getting beaten here. Go to the thread below and debunk it.


https://www.nairaland.com/5253714/debunking-lies-jehovahs-witnesses-jesus#79486176

You guys won't stop amusing me!

Beaten on FACELESS social media?

Ok you guys thought this is a battle field?

Where nobody can see how you're fearing?

Sorry Sir, this is just a rice and dodo canteen!

Go and convince people in their homes to worship your God, that is how Jesus commissioned the program! Matthew,10:11-15

Maximus69:
You guys won't stop amusing me!

Beaten on FACELESS social media?

Ok you guys thought this is a battle field?

Where nobody can see how you're fearing?

Sorry Sir, this is just a rice and dodo canteen!

Go and convince people in their homes to worship your God, that is how Jesus commissioned the program! Matthew,10:11-15

If people aren't doing what you say they should do, how come churches are filled up everyday?

Perhaps you expect them to be walking around with bags and heretic books.

I can see that that thread of mine is too hot for you guys to counter. That's why you have been avoiding it.