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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Nobody: 6:44pm On Apr 15, 2019
BascoVanVeli:
He was poor at penalties but his delivery was good tbh. Conceding 4 goals is never good but I can only really blame him for the second one
I would have voiced some more reservations on the goalkeeper but let's leave it, before it would like I'm looking for something.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 6:51pm On Apr 15, 2019
TheGoodJoe:
It is not discrimination if we are using the opportunity to better the lives of kids that have none.

Using Nwakali as a point is actually flimsy because his life was changed by the U17 opportunity. No one is saying they will be World beaters but getting opportunities they never had.

A chance for education, exposure and Orientation.

You still look at them as different. If you look at all as brothers, where one has and the other does not, you will definitely allow the one with nothing to have a little. If not then the person denying the one with nothing has no conscience.

As for telling the foreign borns they can not play. If explained that it is used to give opportunities to those that do not have, they will understand.

Finito.
What you are suggesting is the reason age cheating still exists. I could say the older players need the chance more and the younger ones have more time. Instead of letting children play a tournament you are thinking about the money that can be made. Don't make it seem like without football there would be no hope because that is bogus.

Nwakali has not played a minute for Arsenal. Without the world cup he would have found a team that would do more for his development that is a fact you can't run away from. Arsenal was purely about money.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by fabyom: 6:52pm On Apr 15, 2019
darkelf:
Nice list but I'm not sure of Alampasu making that squad.

Ogu is yes/no for me. Mixed feelings about the guy
Ogu/Shehu for Chukweze.
Chuks must go to the Nation's cup. If not I will start the #Rohrout campaign.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:56pm On Apr 15, 2019
BascoVanVeli:
What you are suggesting is the reason age cheating still exists. I could say the older players need the chance more and the younger ones have more time. Instead of letting children play a tournament you are thinking about the money that can be made. Don't make it seem like without football there would be no hope because that is bogus.

Nwakali has not played a minute for Arsenal. Without the world cup he would have found a team that would do more for his development that is a fact you can't run away from. Arsenal was purely about money.
I did not say football there would be no hope. I have made it crystal clear. The term is opportunity. The tournament gave Kelechi Nwakali the opportunity to better his life. Jumping to do more with his development is far fetched. I am talking of footie development for the grassroot players. Did Kelechi Nwakali get that? Yes. So why are you bringing him up.

With respect to grassroot footie development, it is a rot in Nigeria. For the foreign borns, it is heaven.

With respect to grassroot development, the U17 stands as a big opportunity for a very limited amount of kids. How can we justify taking it away for those who have it in luxury.

Talking age cheating is off topic because I am talking of developing kids, not men.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:58pm On Apr 15, 2019
How can we justify taking opportunities away from those who do not have for those who have opportunities in luxury.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 7:01pm On Apr 15, 2019
CAF U17 results:
Guinea 0:2 Cameroon
Morocco 1:1 Senegal

An interesting tournament we have in our hands
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:02pm On Apr 15, 2019
Look at Lateef for instance who penned a Boot deal with Adidas at 13 years old. Do you have an idea the magnitude of exposure he had at 13 before such a deal.

The exposure over there is too much. We do not need to bring them to take more slots.

They should focus on the U20 that has a more professional spin when they get close to the age bracket while we keep using the U17 for serious grassroot development until we make strides to fix our grassroot football structure.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon79(m):
Again, you guys are misrepresenting my position. I did not call for a ban on foreign based/born players. My argument is that if the essence of these cadet tournaments is to help develop the game in your country then we are missing the mark by relying on foreign born players at that stage. If we keep running to the countries with a good system and structure to discover talents, then we'll never take the time to discover the talents that are abounds in our own backyard.

I am 100% sure that if we get down to work and start scouting the thousands of high schools and dozens of football academies we have in Nigeria, there would probably be no need to go and pluck a 15 year old teenager from his base in the United States - unless he's a special talent, that is. We'll never develop the game at home if we keep relying on already made and already discovered stars abroad. That's just the bottom line.

And this is the same argument I have been making about giving our homebased/indigenous coaches a chance to coach the national teams. Anytime we go abroad to hire a foreign coach, what you're telling the indigenous coaches is that they are not good enough. We have even reached the levels of hiring a foreign coach for the women national team as well shocked


O pari

tbaba1234:
Not every tom, dick and harry was invited. There were just like 5 of them and 2 made the team. 5 out of hundreds of local players that were screened.

Talents who are interested can be invited for screening. You can not abandon them when they want to play for you and then start looking for them when they explode.

Mbappe wanted to play for Cameroon but someone was asking for money. Look at Mbappe today.

As long as the coaches are given the free hand to make the choices. There is nothing wrong in camping them.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon79(m): 7:05pm On Apr 15, 2019
Bros, come back when you want to argue in a mature manner without the unnecessary name callings.


O pari

komekn:
This is the prejudice that baffles me.

You, sir make the negative demarcation which is exactly the same sentiments which TRIBALISM is anchored upon. In my opinion you have lost your way.

Your place of birth is not what defines you.

What you are saying effectively is that Nigerians born outside of Nigeria are simply LESS NIGERIAN. That's TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

This is the same bigoted and prejudiced sentiment that made people in Lagos to come against other Nigerian who some are third generation born in Lagos to being excluded from political office in Lagos state claiming that they are not indigenous to Lagos state.

This is so RETROGRESSIVE and the very kind iof negative counter productive mentality that has stifled development and enthroned mediocrity and birthed our FANTASTIC CORRUPTION in our beloved country Nigeria.

Your sentiment would have excluded Obama an African by parentage from becoming President of the USA.

Because l was born.in the UK I am according to you less Nigerian.


I disagree with you completely without restraint and apology.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 7:07pm On Apr 15, 2019
TheGoodJoe:
When you are doing developmental projects, you identify the gaps, those that do not have and address them first. You do not go taking the scarce resources and giving to those who already have.

The U17 is a very limited opportunity and giving it to those who have does not help us in developing our football.
They have nothing on the players we are developing. Who is the best young player in Spain? Is it even close? The problem is selection of clubs and that has nothing to do with the U17s.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:08pm On Apr 15, 2019
Icon79:
Again, you guys are misrepresenting my position. I do not call for a ban on foreign based/born players. My argument is that if the essence of these cadet tournaments is to help develop the game in your country then we are missing the mark by relying on foreign born players at that stage. If we keep running to the countries with a system and structure to discover talents, we'll never take the time to discover the talents that abounds in our own backyard.

I am 100% sure that if we get down to work and start scouting the thousands of high schools and dozens of football academies we have in Nigeria, there would probably be no need to go and pluck a 15 year teenager from his base in the United States - unless he's a special talent, that is. We'll never develop the game at home if we keep relying on already made and already discovered stars abroad. That's just the bottom line.

And this is the same argument I have been making about giving our homebased indigenous coaches a chance to coach the national teams. Anytime we go abroad to hire a foreign coach, what you're telling the indigenous coaches is that they are not good enough. We have even reached the levels of hiring a foreign coach for the women national team as well shocked


O pari
News flash. Thijs Libregts, a foreign coach (who was actually the Super Eagles coach at that time) took over from Tunde Disu to coach the U20 side in Nigeria 99.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon79(m): 7:10pm On Apr 15, 2019
Imagine that! Very soon we'll start hiring foreign coaches for the U-20s and the U17s.


O pari

TheGoodJoe:
News flash. Thijs Libregts, a foreign coach (who was actually the Super Eagles coach at that time) took over from Tunde Disu to coach the U20 side in Nigeria 99.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:12pm On Apr 15, 2019
BascoVanVeli:
They have nothing on the players we are developing. Who is the best young player in Spain? Is it even close? The problem is selection of clubs and that has nothing to do with the U17s.
I do not get your point. And what do you mean by who is the best young player.

I do not get you but with respect of football development, we have not scratched the shell of the egg when it comes to Spain.

For instance, the academy coaches in Spain are UEFA licensed coaches. They have regional tournaments in Spain and have regional teams of young players.

Every club to the third tier have quality academies with high grade professionals.

So with such luxury, is it worth taking an opportunity of a boy who has never had a professional coach to give it to a kid from a Spanish academy? Hell no.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by mostob(m): 7:12pm On Apr 15, 2019
darkelf:
Nice list but I'm not sure of Alampasu making that squad.

Ogu is yes/no for me. Mixed feelings about the guy
I mention Alampasu because what us the use of taking Akpeyi to the tourney. And about Ogu, if u notice ...there are three different MFs in my list...three are starters while the rest are backups.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 7:22pm On Apr 15, 2019
TheGoodJoe:
I do not get your point. And what do you mean by who is the best young player.

I do not get you but with respect of football development, we have not scratched the shell of the egg when it comes to Spain.

For instance, the academy coaches in Spain are UEFA licensed coaches. They have regional tournaments in Spain and have regional teams of young players.

Every club to the third tier have quality academies with high grade professionals.

So with such luxury, is it worth taking an opportunity of a boy who has never had a professional coach to give it to a kid from a Spanish academy? Hell no.
No disrespect but have you been living under a rock? Samu Chukwueze of course. Now who has all that UEFA licensing helped? Samu is hands down better than any Spanish footballer his age.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by andrew444(m): 7:23pm On Apr 15, 2019
mostob:
I mention Alampasu because what us the use of taking Akpeyi to the tourney. And about Ogu, if u notice ...there are three different MFs in my list...three are starters while the rest are backups.
Even in your mind you know alampasu will not make the squad

You need to be realistic and tell yourself the truth
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:25pm On Apr 15, 2019
darkelf:
In as much as Vic Moses was excellent for us, it was a team effort at the end. Where do you put Sunday mba whose crucial goals in the quarter-final and final helped us win.

I don't want to believe any player is indispensable or bigger than the team. We can't go cap in hand begging every player that quits the team. Its bot good for our image and pride as a footballing nation. That's why I am also not keen on Tammy
In every teams, there must be a top player. We can't deny that simple fact.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:26pm On Apr 15, 2019
BascoVanVeli:
No disrespect but have you been living under a rock? Samu Chukwueze of course. Now who has all that UEFA licensing helped? Samu is hands down better than any Spanish footballer his age.
How does that equate to over 50 players Samuel Chukwueze's age playing professional football in Spain?

You are missing the point thinking Samuel Chukwueze is a reward for our development.

Heck, there was a time almost every player in the Barcelona starting line up came from the academy of Barcelona.

That is what you call high quality grassroot development.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:28pm On Apr 15, 2019
charlesemeka85:
Juventus Debutant Defender Gozzi Iweru Interested In Nigerian Football, Could Switch Allegiance From Italy
Nice one. We should move for him now.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness:
tbaba1234:
On Omidiji:

” You can ask from those who watched our friendly games, he was so much off the pace, no where near the players who made the list. At a time other players were beginning to question why coach Manu Garba ‎didn’t drop him weeks after he resumed training.

” He should be grateful that he was allowed to train with the team until the final squad was named. From the U15 team where he failed to get games, Divine Nwachukwu who was top scorer for the team made the list. Will it be fair to drop Divine for him? You need to see how well Divine acquitted himself “, 

This is from a backroom staff according to OGN. It matches with what i heard. Everyone can't be wrong.
Lol at the bolded. What else do you expect a backroom staff to say?

He claimed he failed to get games but he didn't tell us the same Divine failed to get games for selfish reasons grin

Why didn't he tell us what happened after they both eventually played? grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by mostob(m): 7:46pm On Apr 15, 2019
andrew444:
Even in your mind you know alampasu will not make the squad

You need to be realistic and tell yourself the truth
That is my list bro ..not yours.
But we all know taking Alampasu to AFCON will do us more good.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:58pm On Apr 15, 2019
TheGoodJoe:
It is not discrimination if we are using the opportunity to better the lives of kids that have none.

Using Nwakali as a point is actually flimsy because his life was changed by the U17 opportunity. No one is saying they will be World beaters but getting opportunities they never had.

A chance for education, exposure and Orientation.

You still look at them as different. If you look at all as brothers, where one has and the other does not, you will definitely allow the one with nothing to have a little. If not then the person denying the one with nothing has no conscience.

As for telling the foreign borns they can not play. If explained that it is used to give opportunities to those that do not have, they will understand.

Finito.
What made those foreign born parents to run away from Nigeria?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:59pm On Apr 15, 2019
Omeruo starts.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Nobody: 8:05pm On Apr 15, 2019
Iwobi starts for Arsenal.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by andrew444(m): 8:24pm On Apr 15, 2019
mostob:
That is my list bro ..not yours.
But we all know taking Alampasu to AFCON will do us more good.
How will it do us more good when we all know he will not even play 1 minute ?

Is it the same alampasu that has played 1 match all season over akpeyi?

Lol

Finally finally we no get keeper ,maybe after afcon alampasu can be considered
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by andrew444(m): 8:37pm On Apr 15, 2019
Iwobi not doing bad so far
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by gamaliel9: 8:47pm On Apr 15, 2019
Cameroon u17 is a good side...though some are very muscled up...due to excessive eating of unripe plantain grin grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Nobody: 8:48pm On Apr 15, 2019
Omeruo and Leganes leading Real Madrid 1:0 at half time
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Earthquake3: 8:58pm On Apr 15, 2019
Iwobi's dribbling is improving but his end product is still poor
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by andrew444(m): 9:08pm On Apr 15, 2019
Nobody should come here and insult Iwobi o ,playing 30 games for a big team like Arsenal a season no be garri
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Earthquake3: 9:15pm On Apr 15, 2019
Success gets 40 minutes for Watford
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:07pm On Apr 15, 2019
Aubameyang...... Aubameyang.... Aubameyang Aubameyang Aubameyang...... kiss
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