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tuniski:
He is same person as senatordave1. Just argumentative for nothing.

Alright bro, let's ignore him as if he's the dreaded Ebola henceforth.

So, who do you think will clinch the seat of the SP?

bigfish3k:
gang up ruling by the north - pmb,tanko,abdulahi,danladi,magu
the witnesses said that his asset form has not been verified
the other two also vindicated him- no 55 houses, no billions in account, now they want to seize his N48m

where did they get their ruling from, whats the base of the ruling

Bro, I said ignore him like an Ebola patient.

Anywhere you see his comments.

Thanks!

NgeneUkwenu:
Ipob party Still bent on scamming Atiku of his remaining stolen cash.

can we some time comments like humans not animals, ur above comments how does it relate to the information above?

garfield1:
My brother,the law is not straightforward oh.do you know that if police do not bring strong evidence to nail evans,he will be freed?
It is not the business of the court to prove that war torn areas recorded huge votes,only atiku can do that.borno and yobe didnt record a million plus.as far as there was no over voting,it is ok.borno has over 2 million viters and yobe has a million.from atiku petition,he only cited few wards in this states and even if results there are canceled,it will make no meaning.

On asset declaration,the penalty is what onnoghen received.i can post the penalties for you as prescribed by the law if you want

please post the penalties.
the law says that u should just give him a new form to enter the forgotten ones. okpari, no more case.

This only means that the transmitted results are based on the signed paper copies. The ones signed by party agents still remain the original.
Hence a copy can not supersede or invalidate an original. If there is any discrepancies, the original must be resorted to.
It would have even been better to transmit a Scanned PDF copy of the original, like that, it will be as good as the original.
As it is now, due to the electoral act and the previous judgement of the Supreme Court on electronic election, the only acceptable result is the original hardcopy as announced by INEC.

Mayor21:
But I worked as an Ad Hoc staff na as APO2
and precising officers were asked to send the final results through the card reader... that it'll go straight to the Inec server.... So I'm not understanding again.

JasonScoolari:
Alright bro, let's ignore him as if he's the dreaded Ebola henceforth.

So, who do you think will clinch the seat of the SP?

I sincerely don't see Lawan clinching it, Most likely Goje. Anyone but Lawan and Gbaja will be good for democracy else we will be In full civilian dictatorship.

tuniski:
I sincerely don't see Lawan clinching it, Most likely Goje. Anyone but Lawan and Gbaja will be good for democracy else we will be In full civilian dictatorship.

Bukky Saraki is quietly planning something totally different from what everyone is thinking. Even BAT and Adams will not recover from the shock.

garfield1:
The little boy is one who mixes insults with half sense or one who ends a good reply with senseless insults depicting himself ironically.

Let trash the issues you raised.how can you say inec and apc concocted results before the polls? Evidence actually suggests that both made rigging plans and that buhari was the likeliest winner.but post evidence of the concoctions by the way.during the election proper,several voters stayed behind till results were declared and they posted polling unit results on social media which showed that buhari won most polling units.infact,buhari performed well in units in ss and se while atiku did poorly up north.this was enough to tell you the likely winner.i wonder where you saw your own results.

Atiku has approached the tribunal but he is trying to use means unknown to law to get a short cut victory.seems he is gambling.why focus so much on server results unknown to law while neglecting pollen unit results sheets that gave birth to those server results?

All your evidence must be admissible and lawfully procured.the server result is a proceed of crime.i have seen atiku's petition so i have a good idea of what evidence he is likely to cough out.novice in election petitions like you wont understand sha.a man calling 400 witnesses for 400 polling units is a joker.do you realize that he even added trader moni in his petition

show me the evidence from Atiku that you have seen... trash talker

Trader Moni? where is it written in the constitution that trader moni should be disbursed weeks to election? ITK, you are hanging yourself gradually

BabaO2:
i dont respond to an illiterate

yes, you cannot read or comprehend anything reasonable!

garfield1:
Let me not come down to the level of your dumb brain by indulging in senseless insults.ill rather school you.
Firstly,was there any point atiku was leading and he was overtaken suspiciously?
Even if you catch a thief,is it not right by pursuing justice through legal means?
The evidence atiku is bringing are there backed by law?
Between buhari and atiku,who is more prone to steal?
Why are you taking a party that is talking about campaign crowd serious?
Try and attend tribunal sittings and stop arguing with those familiar with it

Mr. Tribunal Familiarity.... I guess you now more than the professionals and legal stallions Atiku hired.

donparosky:
its not possible sir.
I worked as an ad hoc staff too. once APO1 who handles the card reader transmits total number of accredited voters (passes +failures) to the server, the presiding officer cannot manipulate anything. Your submission must tally.
this is a tough battle for APC because all results were officially transmitted to INEC server via e-collation using the card reader.
In short you cannot submit your manual results without first communicating the official results to INEC server

It can be manipulated in the area of allocation of votes to parties/ candidates..for example; if the total number of accredited voters is 200...PDP scores 150, APC scores :50 assuming there is no rejected or void votes..now a fraudulent PO can interchange this result by allocating the PDP results to APC ...that is APC will now have 150 votes as against 50 it scored originally and PDP 50 as against 150 it scored originally...remember the voting itself is manual not electronic . why I think PDP will loose at tribunal is principally because the electoral act used in the conduct of the election does not even recognise electronic transmissi
on of result..Also if the figures PDP has been brandishing about is what it relies upon then it's failure frm d onset because the result purportedly from INEC server allocated result for only a PDP and APC , we all know that's impossible..I will keep my fingers crossed to see how it all pans out ...

garfield1:
Shut up,is it not from the hand written result sheets that results transmittes were derived from.why are you so empty

No, from card readers.

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McTobe:
Learn before you teach.

What is this one saying I wrote about the flaws of the so called transmission of result to INEC server based on my experience as a Presiding Officer in the said election, you are here saying what does not even have a clear cut meaning...If you have a better information or another angle to it, just present it without been mean!!

You are addressing me as this one, it’s not your fault we are in a faceless social media. You said in your post that a PO that wants to be mischievous can still manipulate the Smart Card Reader, please state how that can be done.

yemex04:
What is this one saying I wrote about the flaws of the so called transmission of result to INEC server based on my experience as a Presiding Officer in the said election, you are here saying what does not even have a clear cut meaning...If you have a better information or another angle to it, just present it without been mean!!

ogbonti:
Mr. Tribunal Familiarity.... I guess you now more than the professionals and legal stallions Atiku hired.

It is possible,am not full of trash like you

McTobe:
You are addressing me as this one, it’s not your fault we are in a faceless social media. You said in your post that a PO that wants to be mischievous can still manipulate the Smart Card Reader, please state how that can be done.

If total accredited voters is 300 and total valid votes is 250,what stops him from inputing apc 200 and pdp 50 whereas in the result sheet it was pdp 150 apc 100

Laid2001:
This only means that the transmitted results are based on the signed paper copies. The ones signed by party agents still remain the original.
Hence a copy can not supersede or invalidate an original. If there is any discrepancies, the original must be resorted to.
It would have even been better to transmit a Scanned PDF copy of the original, like that, it will be as good as the original.
As it is now, due to the electoral act and the previous judgement of the Supreme Court on electronic election, the only acceptable result is the original hardcopy as announced by INEC.

Tuniski,jason,amumaigwe and ogbonti i believe this gentleman has summarized the whole case.this is just it.he has helped me to close the case.let's all agree that atiku server result has no basis and if it does can only come in when there's no result sheet

yemex04:
It can be manipulated in the area of allocation of votes to parties/ candidates..for example; if the total number of accredited voters is 200...PDP scores 150, APC scores :50 assuming there is no rejected or void votes..now a fraudulent PO can interchange this result by allocating the PDP results to APC ...that is APC will now have 150 votes as against 50 it scored originally and PDP 50 as against 150 it scored originally...remember the voting itself is manual not electronic . why I think PDP will loose at tribunal is principally because the electoral act used in the conduct of the election does not even recognise electronic transmissi
on of result..Also if the figures PDP has been brandishing about is what it relies upon then it's failure frm d onset because the result purportedly from INEC server allocated result for only a PDP and APC , we all know that's impossible..I will keep my fingers crossed to see how it all pans out ...

Thank you for this.electronically trsnsmitted results is open to easy alteration and manipulation.

McTobe:
You are addressing me as this one, it’s not your fault we are in a faceless social media. You said in your post that a PO that wants to be mischievous can still manipulate the Smart Card Reader, please state how that can be done.

Apologies for the way I addressed you..that said...my point is: apart from the accreditation of voters, any other thing the card reader is used for is done using manual processes...e-collation that u talked is done by manually inputting data..The PO will alocate figures to each party/candidate based on the outcome of result that was manually counted...for example, APC had74 votes and PDP 80 votes after manual sorting..now I did the e-collation by simply writing 74 for APC and 80 for PDP in the card reader..if i had wanted to be mischievous, I could hv written 80 for APC and 74 for PDP.as long as it does not exceed the numbers of accredited voters ..the point is the e-collation result is still a function of human...it will still bring out Watever information the PO inputs into it...

nwakibie3:
ok

Let me educate you. INEC didn't say it didn't have a server. It said it didn't use server for electronic transmission of results. Of course INEC server is where all the card readers get their data for voters accreditation.

Apologies accepted. Well I am sure u are talking about E transmission of the result which is done with the SCR. Don’t also forget that there is e collation that is done by the RATECH I.e Technical support official where he/she has to confirm that what is transmitted through the SCR is correct and if not that he has the right to Unpublish the result. The result from the unit is also further authenticated by the Technical Support person scanning the all the results under his Ward using the ZPAD on which he sees whatever the PO or APO 2 may have transmitted. I know the point where the POs work stop and I also know that many of them do not know about all these other follow up and backend measures to authenticate a result. So I disagree with you where you say that the SCR can be manipulated in the sense you use it. However, I agree totally with you when you say that Atiku will loose the case because APC lawyers will always tell them that the Electoral Act only recognizes Manual accreditation. There is also another side to all these arguments which I will like an objective lawyer to look at and tell me his stand.

yemex04:
Apologies for the way I addressed you..that said...my point is: apart from the accreditation of voters, any other thing the card reader is used for is done using manual processes...e-collation that u talked is done by manually inputting data..The PO will alocate figures to each party/candidate based on the outcome of result that was manually counted...for example, APC had74 votes and PDP 80 votes after manual sorting..now I did the e-collation by simply writing 74 for APC and 80 for PDP in the card reader..if i had wanted to be mischievous, I could hv written 80 for APC and 74 for PDP.as long as it does not exceed the numbers of accredited voters ..the point is the e-collation result is still a function of human...it will still bring out Watever information the PO inputs into it...

The physical result is scanned alongside the transmitted figure. This is done at the RA or Ward level where there is discrepancies between typed figures and the main result sheet. The scanned picture of the result sheet will take preeminence .

garfield1:
If total accredited voters is 300 and total valid votes is 250,what stops him from inputing apc 200 and pdp 50 whereas in the result sheet it was pdp 150 apc 100

McTobe:
Apologies accepted. Well I am sure u are talking about E transmission of the result which is done with the SCR. Don’t also forget that there is e collation that is done by the RATECH I.e Technical support official where he/she has to confirm that what is transmitted through the SCR is correct and if not that he has the right to Unpublish the result. The result from the unit is also further authenticated by the Technical Support person scanning the all the results under his Ward using the ZPAD on which he sees whatever the PO or APO 2 may have transmitted. I know the point where the POs work stop and I also know that many of them do not know about all these other follow up and backend measures to authenticate a result. So I disagree with you where you say that the SCR can be manipulated in the sense you use it. However, I agree totally with you when you say that Atiku will loose the case because APC lawyers will always tell them that the Electoral Act only recognizes Manual accreditation. There is also another side to all these arguments which I will like an objective lawyer to look at and tell me his stand.

Thank you for your point but PO, RACTECH and others are still humans and can still work in synergy to achieve a common goal(bad or good)..this is very possible especially if the patrionage is good...I still fault the results from the server tht PDP is talking about.. as it allocated votes to only PDP and APC...we both know that other parties got votes even though inconsequential.....What do you see to that sir?

Esseite:
Even from INEC presiding officer again?

Atiku is not joining issues with APC, he is tackling INEC and that is brilliant..

PDP is a more national party than APC.. it has a Governor in every region and a party that does not discriminate even the least from the remotest village or smallest tribe...

thank you for this word of wisdom...APC is only alive majorly in the Northwest and Southwest...but PDP is basically everywhere even if it's one state per region

Well to that extent we know that it’s a possibility but the bigger the election like Presidency and Governorship the more possibility of leaving some loose ends and that is why I think they go to Tribunal looking for those loose end leads. About other parties yes there are other parties but when you are treating Tribunal cases you face only the petitioned parties. Eg if PDP petition the Tribunal against The number of votes scored by APC. During Audit you simply query the server for APC result and PDP results which are the two parties battling with one another. Except if the Tribunal request for the comprehensive results in order to understand the arguments of the petitioner and respondents. Outside that only the results scored by the two main parties contesting the outcome of the election will be looked at. On the other hand I am sure you will agree with me that all the other parties put together without PDP and APC did not even score up to 10% of the total vote cast

yemex04:
Thank you for your point but PO, RACTECH and others are still humans and can still work in synergy to achieve a common goal(bad or good)..this is very possible especially if the patrionage is good...I still fault the results from the server tht PDP is talking about.. as it allocated votes to only PDP and APC...we both know that other parties got votes even though inconsequential.....What do you see to that sir?

garfield1:
Tuniski,jason,amumaigwe and ogbonti i believe this gentleman has summarized the whole case.this is just it.he has helped me to close the case.let's all agree that atiku server result has no basis and if it does can only come in when there's no result sheet

Whatever makes u happy. U win.... God bless u

garfield1:
It is possible,am not full of trash like you

Pained, sifia.... severe, pains, spotted, lmao

ogbonti:
Pained, sifia.... severe, pains, spotted, lmao

You sound famished