jcross19:
you claimed you know it then show it to me you refused.

you keep on repeating the same thing. point the hoax out basic. my own issue is that why did Jude quote from the book of hoax is either something is wrong with the book of Jude and if not tell me what you see.

jcross19:
you have an understanding problem,is talking to you.

You are behaving like a Bible illiterate, answer questions, you won't. I don't know what you are afraid of answering questions or what is scaring you.

Big heavyweight like you, rather prefers to be spoon-fed and for someone else do the heavy lifting for you. I am sorry, it doesn't work like that Mr Bigshot. I didn't learn that way.

Answer the questions as put to you and stop looking for fast track straight to the answer handed on a platter of gold information.

TVSA:


sorry bro, sometimes, you just let some things slide

when you have had some unnecessary tortuous argument with people before on nairaland

jcross19:
you have an understanding problem,is talking to you.

this guy is good

I'm following this argument o, let's see the conclusion

Funaki:
when you have had some unnecessary tortuous argument with people before on nairaland

this guy is good

I'm following this argument o, let's see the conclusion

The guy is good at prevarication.

Not a single question addressed by him nor has he given an answer to any question at him, instead he wants things given to him on a platter of gold without lifting a finger himself. Maybe I should come tuck him into bed tonight.

MuttleyLaff:


You are behaving like a Bible illiterate, answer questions, you won't. I don't know what you are afraid of answering questions or what is scaring you.

Big heavyweight like you, rather prefers to be spoon-fed and for someone else do the heavy lifting for you. I am sorry, it doesn't work like that Mr Bigshot. I didn't learn that way.

Answer the questions as put to you and stop looking for fast track straight to the answer handed on a platter of gold information.

ahahahahahah ahahah am laughing in Swahili funny !!! you started this argument yourself asked you a question you did not answer me rather than asking me a question now I don't know the answer to your question okay tell me the answer to clear my doubt. any answer you give will effect on the book of Jude .

jcross19:
ahahahahahah ahahah am laughing in Swahili funny !!! you started this argument yourself asked you a question you did not answer me rather than asking me a question now I don't know the answer to your question okay tell me the answer to clear my doubt. any answer you give will effect on the book of Jude .

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jcross19:
can you just show me in the bible where peter and James condemned it . please I need to know.

jcross19:
then book of Jude1 vs 15- 19 quoted from such book meaning Jude is a counterfeit right?

MuttleyLaff:
You need to calm yourself down because I typed: "Peter and Jude, where they were denouncing it and funnily enough the heresy(ies) in the book" and never talked about any Peter and James condemned it please

You can find Peter, in 2 Peter 2:1-3 talking to warn about made up stories to secretly introduce destructive heresies and find Peter further, in 2 Peter 2:15-16, taking the example of Balaam (i.e. from Numbers 22-24) to talk about those saying things that God hadnt sanctioned or authored. I can go on more, but I am curious of the reason why you asked and questioning the motive behind you asking to be shown. Is it because you believe in the Book of Enoch ni?

The only counterfeit is the Book of Enoch and not Jude. I can detect that you dont see what Jude did there in Jude 1:14-19, and that is in particular to Jude 1:14-15. The red flag should have raised to warn you, if you had being in the spirit and so spotted the inconsistence there in Jude 1:14-15

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jcross19:
Jude quoted from the same in jude1vs 14 relating the Enoch to adam even calling him a prophet and you are here saying another thing ? in verse 15 Jude talks what the Holy one is coming down to do in reference to that verse 14 ooh . now why did Jude quoted from fake source even consolidated with reference to Adam. well bible is just like a view you can see anything you wish to see.

MuttleyLaff:
Until you calm down or go have a cold water shower, the more you look, the less you'll see.

As I earlier said, don't you see the inconsistency in Jude 1:14-15 showing up in there, like a red throbbing sore thumb?

Please tell me, in your understanding, what is the purpose of that Jude letter, what is Jude's concern and bone of contention in it jcross19

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jcross19:
can you explain it to me let me see! Jude don't need to quote such book before he can condemn the book
if Jude referred to him as a prophet and 7th to Adam, we all know that first world was destroyed so how did this book survive ? that's should be the main concern why did Jude quoted from it.

MuttleyLaff:
You really need the chill pill jcross19.

How many times have you read the Book of Enoch and when was the last time you read it?

Now, please type in here, what 1 Enoch 1:9 says jcross19

I earlier told you, to please, tell me, in your understanding, what is the purpose of that Jude letter, what is Jude's concern and bone of contention in it jcross19? But you ignored it, only to then come to say "Jude don't need to quote such book before he can condemn the book" Then my question that you didn't answer, you coyly now slide it back at me.

Stop behaving like a Bible illiterate and going about this blindly please.

jcross19:
me I don't know, you tell me.

MuttleyLaff:
What don't you know because I've asked you so many questions that you've decided to refuse to give answers to.

Also, where is the please type in here, what 1 Enoch 1:9 says, the jcross19 request, I earlier asked you, huh?

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Thank you for helping jcross19 out, lifting up 1 Enoch 1:9 that was too heavy for him to lift up here.

I know you have some interest in all this, as you wouldn't have assisted jcross19 if you didn't have an interest, so what's your interest and/or stance in the whole matter OpenYourEyes1?

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jcross19:
and please tell me what you see that I don't to clear my doubt.

jcross19:
you have not made any valid point here. why did Jude refer him as a prophet at the same time as an historical Enoch that's my question if the book is not authentic.

MuttleyLaff:
Maybe it's because you are behaving like a Bible illiterate and you are afraid of doing heavy lifting yourself

OK, let's do it this way.

jcross19 please state here who the Bible said will judge and whom they will be judging, thanks?

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jcross19:
you are just funny!! Enoch is talking heresy why would Jude did the same that's my concern here so that I can be able to know the genuine of the source of Enoch.

MuttleyLaff:
Can you see who really is being funny here?

Another the latest that you again have decided to ignore, is the, jcross19 please state here who the Bible said will judge and whom they will be judging, thanks?

At least, we now know, courtesy of OpenYourEyes1 what 1 Enoch 1:9 says, that Jude and Peter referenced from in their letters. If not for OpenYourEyes1 that came to the rescue, you aren't prepared to lift a finger, everything has to be done for your lazy bones self.

Try for size, answer my last question request now, if not you'll see whether or not this book written after over 4000 years of Enoch passing is a hoax or not

Do you remember me first telling you:
Please tell me, in your understanding, what is the purpose of that Jude letter, what is Jude's concern and bone of contention in it jcross19

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jcross19:
you claimed you know it then show it to me you refused.

you keep on repeating the same thing. point the hoax out basic. my own issue is that why did Jude quote from the book of hoax is either something is wrong with the book of Jude and if not tell me what you see.

jcross19:
you have an understanding problem,is talking to you.

MuttleyLaff:
You are behaving like a Bible illiterate, answer questions, you won't. I don't know what you are afraid of answering questions or what is scaring you.

Big heavyweight like you, rather prefers to be spoon-fed and for someone else do the heavy lifting for you. I am sorry, it doesn't work like that Mr Bigshot. I didn't learn that way.

Answer the questions as put to you and stop looking for fast track straight to the answer handed on a platter of gold information.

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ahahahahahah ahahah am laughing in Swahili funny !!! you started this argument yourself asked you a question you did not answer me rather than asking me a question now I don't know the answer to your question okay tell me the answer to clear my doubt. any answer you give will effect on the book of Jude .

You are very good and adept at prevarication.

Not a single question addressed by you nor have you given an answer to any question at you, instead you want things given to you on a platter of gold without lifting a finger himself. Maybe I should have come tuck you into bed tonight, after I had spoon fed you, right?

My friend listen, if you cant answer easy simple and straightforward questions, then guess what, you are on a long thing and will stew for a very long time too without getting anything out and/or from me.

I know what I bring to the table, and guess what too, I am not afraid to eat alone and I didn't learn from being spoon fed

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You are very good and adept at prevarication.

Not a single question addressed by you nor have you given an answer to any question at you, instead you want things given to you on a platter of gold without lifting a finger himself. Maybe I should have come tuck you into bed tonight, after I had spoon fed you, right?

My friend listen, if you cant answer easy simple and straightforward questions, then guess what, you are on a long thing and will stew for a very long time too without getting anything out and/or from me.

I know what I bring to the table, and guess what too, I am not afraid to eat alone and I didn't learn from being spoon fed





[/qff nothing to say.

I wasted my time reading your yeye posts

kullozone:
nothing to say.
I wasted my time reading your yeye posts smiley

You could have in one sentence, at the least, say all what you found to be "yeye" in the posts now.

[quote author=kullozone post=77642882][/quote] I am still waiting for the big exposition

MuttleyLaff:






The First Book of Enoch, otherwise known as the Ethiopian Book of Enoch, is probably the one you most likely admitted to have read and not find heretical. It is the one referenced in the New Testament by Peter and Jude, where they were denouncing it and funnily enough the heresy(ies) in the book

Just like you, I too the other day, long time ago, sat down to begin read the Book of Enoch. I couldnt believe what tall tale narrative I was reading that I had to chuck it aside because what I was reading just wasnt adding up together. No wonder Peter and Jude re-echoing Peter were among other things, condemning the Book of Enoch in their letter

2 Peter 2:1-3 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Master who bought them - bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth to disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with the fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

Jude 14-15 Enoch,the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: 'See, YHVH is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Where did Peter and Jude denounce Enoch or the book of Enoch?

elated177:



2 Peter 2:1-3 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Master who bought them - bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth to disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with the fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

Jude 14-15 Enoch,the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: 'See, YHVH is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Where did Peter and Jude denounce Enoch or the book of Enoch?

that's what I have been asking him but he refused to give me an answer . am still waiting .

jcross19:
that's what I have been asking him but he refused to give me an answer . am still waiting .

Do you see how elated177 is behaving as if someone duplicitous by incorrectly quoting me, erh jcross19? Please confirm the elated177 comment, is that what I typed or how I typed it.

elated177, customer mi, daada ni, I am going to ask you the same question that, I at the very onset asked jcross19, please tell me, in your understanding, what is the purpose of that Jude letter wrote, what was Jude's concern and warning about in the letter?

I detect that you and jcross19, dont see what Jude did there in Jude 1:14-19, and that is in particular me talking about and referring to Jude 1:14-15. The red flag should have raised to warn you, if you had being in the spirit and so spotted the inconsistence, there in Jude 1:14-15

Also to your understanding and belief, who is the author of the book of Enoch?

Please don't take after jcross19 bad habit of not wanting give answers to questions.

MuttleyLaff:
Do you see how elated177 is behaving as if someone duplicitous by incorrectly quoting me, erh jcross19? Please confirm the elated177 comment, is that what I typed or how I typed it.

elated177, customer mi, daada ni, I am going to ask you the same question that, I at the very onset asked jcross19, please tell me, in your understanding, what is the purpose of that Jude letter wrote, what was Jude's concern and warning about in the letter?

I detect that you and jcross19, dont see what Jude did there in Jude 1:14-19, and that is in particular me talking about and referring to Jude 1:14-15. The red flag should have raised to warn you, if you had being in the spirit and so spotted the inconsistence, there in Jude 1:14-15

Also to your understanding and belief, who is the author of the book of Enoch?

Please don't take after jcross19 bad habit of not wanting give answers to questions.

Duplicitous? I am just going to ignore that.
How and where did I quote you incorrectly?

Customer kwa! O nani customer, custom officer kwanu?

Jude 1-2 Jude, a servant of Yahushua the Messiah and brother of James, To those who have been called, who are loved in YHVH the Father and kept for Yahushua the Messiah: Mercy, peace and love be yours in abundance.

From the above, we can see that Jude addressed this letter to me, yes me. Not only me though, but to all the saints - all the called-out ones, the body of the Messiah - of yesteryears, today and the future.

His intention? Let us see:

Jude 3 Dear friends, although I was eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to YHVH's set-apart/holy people.

It is obvious that our brother Jude wrote this letter to warn me - and the other saints - about certain group people and their activities. What group of people and what is their modus operandi? Let us see:

Jude 4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. THEY ARE UNGODLY(UNRIGHTEOUS) PEOPLE, WHO PERVERT THE GRACE OF OUR GOD/ELOHIM INTO LICENCE FOR IMMORALITY AND DENY YAHUSHUA THE MESSIAH OUR ONLY SOVEREIGN AND LORD/MASTER.

We can see that 5-19 further enumerated the wicked activities and judgment of such wicked/lawless/unrighteous people.

Eheeh, before you yoke me together with jcross19, remember that you do not have the power to do that. I am elated177 and he is jcross19.

I have only read a few chapters of the book of Enoch - the book of Enoch 1. I will keep my views about the author for now. However, the fact that Jude made reference to it might give some credence to its authenticity.

You already know, though you will not admit it, that I always give answers to valid Scriptural issues as surely as the Set-apart Spirit of YHVH Almighty, my Father in heaven, directs me to.

Stop dilly dallying and point out the inconsistencies in Jude's letter or admit that you are the one full of inconsistencies.

new player in the game. Still waiting for the 'big' exposition though.

elated177:
Duplicitous? I am just going to ignore that.
How and where did I quote you incorrectly?

"It is the one referenced in the New Testament by Peter and Jude, where they were denouncing it and funnily enough the heresy(ies) in the book

I couldnt believe what tall tale narrative I was reading that I had to chuck it aside because what I was reading just wasnt adding up together. No wonder Peter and Jude re-echoing Peter were among other things, condemning the Book of Enoch in their letter"
- by MuttleyLaff: 7:38pm On Apr 16 2019


"Where did Peter and Jude denounce Enoch or the book of Enoch?"
- by elated177: 1:33pm On Apr 18 2019

Look at the two above inverted commas quotations above and compare what you wrote and how you quoted me.
1/ Do you see and read me saying Peter and Jude denounced the patriarch Enoch?
2/ Can you see now how you misrepresented what I typed?
I am very careful with my construct, wording and choice of words because of the concern not to be misrepresented or miscontrued but if it was just a coincidence and you werent being duplicitous, then I take it back, as no offense was intended by it and ask your pardon.

elated177:
Customer kwa! O nani customer, custom officer kwanu?

You have a very good sense of humour, just like me

elated177:
Jude 1-2 Jude, a servant of Yahushua the Messiah and brother of James, To those who have been called, who are loved in YHVH the Father and kept for Yahushua the Messiah: Mercy, peace and love be yours in abundance.

From the above, we can see that Jude addressed this letter to me, yes me. Not only me though, but to all the saints - all the called-out ones, the body of the Messiah - of yesteryears, today and the future.

His intention? Let us see:

Jude 3 Dear friends, although I was eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to YHVH's set-apart/holy people.

It is obvious that our brother Jude wrote this letter to warn me - and the other saints - about certain group people and their activities. What group of people and what is their modus operandi? Let us see:

Jude 4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. THEY ARE UNGODLY(UNRIGHTEOUS) PEOPLE, WHO PERVERT THE GRACE OF OUR GOD/ELOHIM INTO LICENCE FOR IMMORALITY AND DENY YAHUSHUA THE MESSIAH OUR ONLY SOVEREIGN AND LORD/MASTER.

We can see that 5-19 further enumerated the wicked activities and judgment of such wicked/lawless/unrighteous.

Thank you very much Sire.

So, elated177, if I would to summarise this in three to four words, would you agree and accept with me, that, it is about "warning" of "appearance" of "false teachers", "heresy(ies)", huh?

elated177:
Eheeh, before you yoke me together with jcross19, remember that you do not have the power to do that. I am elated177 and he is jcross19

Yeah, my bad, I know and sorry. jcross19 is a complete different kettle of fish altogether. All he wants to do, is sit on his hands, let others go about doing the heavy lifting for him, whilst he looks on and later on, waiting for same others to come with answers or information on a gold platter and spoon feed him like a baby with it.

elated177:
I have only read a few chapters of the book of Enoch - the book of Enoch 1. I will keep my views about the author for now. However, the fact that Jude made reference to it might give some credence to its authenticity

Please give some insight of what you read in it

"^7:10Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.
^7:11And the women conceiving brought forth giants
^7:12Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all [which] the labor of men [produced]; until it became impossible to feed them;"
- The Ethiopic version of the book of Enoch 7:10-12

"¹And they took wives for themselves and everyone chose for himself one each. And they began to go into them and were promiscuous with them. And they taught them charms and spells, and they showed them the cutting of roots and trees.
²And they became pregnant and bore large giants. And their height was three thousand cubits."
- The Book of Enoch. Chapter 7:1-2

I'll tell you what, among in it, I read before I chucked the book aside as complete nasty bad bullshit and a waste of time, it is in the Ethiopic version of the book of Enoch 7:10-12, where it said the height of the born baby giants were three hundred cubits, that is the length of one and of a half football field pitch, whilst other versions like the The Book of Enoch, even said it's actually three thousand cubits hence making the born baby giants to be as high as a 45-story building. Haba! Wetin now?

elated177:
You already know, though you will not admit it, that I always give answers to valid Scriptural issues as surely as the Set-apart Spirit of YHVH Almighty, my Father in heaven, directs me to

Yes, I must admit, I respect you for at least making some effort at giving answers to the questions put here unlike someone like jcross19 we know, who doesnt bother at all. These things are give and take, you do your bit and I'll reciprocate by doing my bit too. A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle

elated177:
Stop dilly dallying and point out the inconsistencies in Jude's letter or admit that you are the one full of inconsistencies.

elated177, please tell, who the bible tells us will be doing the judging and whom the bible said, they will judge? You will see one glaring inconsistency from answering this question comparing your answer with what's in Jude 1:14-19, and that is in particular Jude 1:14-15 elated177

Funaki:
new player in the game. Still waiting for the 'big' exposition though.

jcross19 has only a hunger for knowledge, and that's all, unlike elated177, who has a hunger for knowledge and thirst for truth.

Sorry, but I couldn't read that crap you wrote there. I'm only commenting cause I saw 450 feet which you believe is ridiculous. But you believe that a donkey once talked right?

You believe that the sun once stood still? You believe that Noah was able to get over million species of animal in that his little boat?

What religion does is take your brain and lock you out of reasoning. You are too blinded for my liking.

Wake up!

HenryDion:
Sorry, but I couldn't read that crap you wrote there. I'm only commenting cause I saw 450 feet which you believe is ridiculous. But you believe that a donkey once talked right?

You believe that the sun once stood still? You believe that Noah was able to get over million species of animal in that his little boat?

What religion does is take your brain and lock you out of reasoning. You are too blinded for my liking.

Wake up!

I was expecting someone to behave like this, shoot from the hip, take and say things out of context.

C'mon baby giant that 450 feet high. Kilo de? And you are beefing me over that?

That donkey that once talked was a single exception to the rule supernatural thing that never again repeated itself.

About the sun once stood still and how Noah was able to get over million species of animal in that his little boat, you need to properly read the bible to understand the former and go learn about genus (i.e. genera in plural) to find out how Noah managed to pul off this extraordinary feat

Your understanding of what true, pure religion, that has no fault is and one that God approves, is at variance to what I know it to be nwanne HenryDion.

MuttleyLaff:
I was expecting someone to behave like this, shoot from the hip, take and say things out of context.

C'mon baby giant that 450 feet high. Kilo de? And you are beefing me over that?

That donkey that once talked was a single exception to the rule supernatural thing that never again repeated itself.

About the sun once stood still and how Noah was able to get over million species of animal in that his little boat, you need to properly read the bible to understand the former and go learn about genus (i.e. genera in plural) to find out how Noah managed to pul off this extraordinary feat

Your understanding of what true, pure religion, that has no fault is and one that God approves, is at variance to what I know it to be nwanne HenryDion.

It baffles me how grown ass folks still believe such fairytale, such ridiculousness, living their whole life trying to support something they had no proof off.

Anyone who believes that a 450ft giant once existed, or that a donkey once spoke need psychiatric evaluation.

Unfortunately, we are more concerned in building churches than psychiatric hospitals.

It is a shame!

HenryDion:
It baffles me how grown ass folks still believe such fairytale, such ridiculousness, living their whole life trying to support something they had no proof off.

Anyone who believes that a 450ft giant once existed, or that a donkey once spoke need psychiatric evaluation.

Unfortunately, we are more concerned in building churches than psychiatric hospitals.

It is a shame!

It wasn't even a 450ft giant that once existed but the book actually said there were 450 ft born baby giants. Now if baby giants are 450ft high, I shudder to wonder how tall, fully grown and adult giants were then.

Talking about a one-off supernatural donkey speaking not again repeated event is quite different to tales by moonlight angels fairking human beings and producing babies that are 450ft tall. Ah-ha. Wetin now

MuttleyLaff:
"It is the one referenced in the New Testament by Peter and Jude, where they were denouncing it and funnily enough the heresy(ies) in the book

I couldnt believe what tall tale narrative I was reading that I had to chuck it aside because what I was reading just wasnt adding up together. No wonder Peter and Jude re-echoing Peter were among other things, condemning the Book of Enoch in their letter"
- by MuttleyLaff: 7:38pm On Apr 16 2019


"Where did Peter and Jude denounce Enoch or the book of Enoch?"
- by elated177: 1:33pm On Apr 18 2019

Look at the two above inverted commas quotations above and compare what you wrote and how you quoted me.
1/ Do you see and read me saying Peter and Jude denounced the patriarch Enoch?
2/ Can you see now how you misrepresented what I typed?
I am very careful with my construct, wording and choice of words because of the concern not to be misrepresented or miscontrued but if it was just a coincidence and you werent being duplicitous, then I take it back, as no offense was intended by it and ask your pardon.

Dude, no offence, I think you are full of inconsistencies. Yeah, you are all over the place. Well, I am not surprised. I wonder the kind of truth that resides in a person who believes homosexuality is not a sin in the sight of the Creator of heaven and earth, who himself is the Truth.

You see, muttleylaff, the fact that you hold the view that homosexuality, albeit a particular kind, is not an abomination in the sight of the owner if the Scriptures, which you believe you are knowledgeable in, whatever you say or how you see the Scriptures will always be skewed.

Actually, muttleylaff, discussing Scriptures with you or anyone who holds your view on homosexuality - after seeing where the Scriptures have unambiguously stated the detestable nature of homosexuality - can as well be a waste of time and energy. However, for the benefit of the sincere seekers of truth, who may be reading this thread and threads such as this - it is imperative that I, strengthened by the Set-apart Spirit of YHVH Almighty, continue to shine the light so that they will not be misled.

Muttleylaff, did you or did you not unequivocally state here that Peter and Jude denounced - even if you have suddenly changed to condemn, no difference - the book of Enoch. It does not really matter whether I stated Enoch or the book of Enoch. If it turns out that the prophet Enoch actually wrote the book, wouldn't you then have stated that Peter and Jude denounced him?

Now, dude, I have responded to your question earlier - even though you did not direct it to me - by typing here on this thread the particular chapter and verses from 2 Peter along side Jude, so tell everyone here where Peter and Jude denounced the book of Enoch.

MuttleyLaff:


You have a very good sense of humour, just like me

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I am not like you. You are you, muttleylaff, I am me, elated177.

MuttleyLaff:


Thank you very much Sire.

So, elated177, if I would to summarise this in three to four words, would you agree and accept with me, that, it is about "warning" of "appearance" of "false teachers", "heresy(ies)", huh?

h.

You have not said anything. Did they say the book of Enoch will be guilty of these?

MuttleyLaff:
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Please give some insight of what you read in it

"^7:10Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.
^7:11And the women conceiving brought forth giants
^7:12Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all [which] the labor of men [produced]; until it became impossible to feed them;"
- The Ethiopic version of the book of Enoch 7:10-12

"¹And they took wives for themselves and everyone chose for himself one each. And they began to go into them and were promiscuous with them. And they taught them charms and spells, and they showed them the cutting of roots and trees.
²And they became pregnant and bore large giants. And their height was three thousand cubits."
- The Book of Enoch. Chapter 7:1-2

I'll tell you what, among in it, I read before I chucked the book aside as complete nasty bad bullshit and a waste of time, it is in the Ethiopic version of the book of Enoch 7:10-12, where it said the height of the born baby giants were three hundred cubits, that is the length of one and of a half football field pitch, whilst other versions like the The Book of Enoch, even said it's actually three thousand cubits hence making the born baby giants to be as high as a 45-story building. Haba! Wetin now?

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Like I stated earlier, you are all over the place. Your inconsistency reeks.

Shift the authenticity or veracity of the book of Enoch to one side first, where did Peter and Jude, directly or indirectly, refer to it as heretical?

MuttleyLaff:


elated177, please tell, who the bible tells us will be doing the judging and whom the bible said, they will judge? You will see one glaring inconsistency from answering this question comparing your answer with what's in Jude 1:14-19, and that is in particular Jude 1:14-15 elated177

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Since your whole argument is dependent upon this, the onus of highlighting the Scriptures where such people are stated is on you. I will not do it for you.

MuttleyLaff:
"It is the one referenced in the New Testament by Peter and Jude, where they were denouncing it and funnily enough the heresy(ies) in the book

I couldnt believe what tall tale narrative I was reading that I had to chuck it aside because what I was reading just wasnt adding up together. No wonder Peter and Jude re-echoing Peter were among other things, condemning the Book of Enoch in their letter"
- by MuttleyLaff: 7:38pm On Apr 16 2019


"Where did Peter and Jude denounce Enoch or the book of Enoch?"
- by elated177: 1:33pm On Apr 18 2019

Look at the two above inverted commas quotations above and compare what you wrote and how you quoted me.
1/ Do you see and read me saying Peter and Jude denounced the patriarch Enoch?
2/ Can you see now how you misrepresented what I typed?
I am very careful with my construct, wording and choice of words because of the concern not to be misrepresented or miscontrued but if it was just a coincidence and you werent being duplicitous, then I take it back, as no offense was intended by it and ask your pardon.

You have a very good sense of humour, just like me

Thank you very much Sire.

So, elated177, if I would to summarise this in three to four words, would you agree and accept with me, that, it is about "warning" of "appearance" of "false teachers", "heresy(ies)", huh?

Yeah, my bad, I know and sorry. jcross19 is a complete different kettle of fish altogether. All he wants to do, is sit on his hands, let others go about doing the heavy lifting for him, whilst he looks on and later on, waiting for same others to come with answers or information on a gold platter and spoon feed him like a baby with it.

Please give some insight of what you read in it

"^7:10Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.
^7:11And the women conceiving brought forth giants
^7:12Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all [which] the labor of men [produced]; until it became impossible to feed them;"
- The Ethiopic version of the book of Enoch 7:10-12

"¹And they took wives for themselves and everyone chose for himself one each. And they began to go into them and were promiscuous with them. And they taught them charms and spells, and they showed them the cutting of roots and trees.
²And they became pregnant and bore large giants. And their height was three thousand cubits."
- The Book of Enoch. Chapter 7:1-2

I'll tell you what, among in it, I read before I chucked the book aside as complete nasty bad bullshit and a waste of time, it is in the Ethiopic version of the book of Enoch 7:10-12, where it said the height of the born baby giants were three hundred cubits, that is the length of one and of a half football field pitch, whilst other versions like the The Book of Enoch, even said it's actually three thousand cubits hence making the born baby giants to be as high as a 45-story building. Haba! Wetin now?

Yes, I must admit, I respect you for at least making some effort at giving answers to the questions put here unlike someone like jcross19 we know, who doesnt bother at all. These things are give and take, you do your bit and I'll reciprocate by doing my bit too. A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle
elated177, please tell, who the bible tells us will be doing the judging and whom the bible said, they will judge? You will see one glaring inconsistency from answering this question comparing your answer with what's in Jude 1:14-19, and that is in particular Jude 1:14-15 elated177

elated177:
Since your whole argument is dependent upon this, the onus of highlighting the Scriptures where such people are stated is on you. I will not do it for you.

I once said that jcross19 has only a hunger for knowledge, unlike elated177 you, who has a hunger for knowledge and thirst for truth, I am right about the jcross19 but I am wrong about you because you're not concerned about either of them.

I also earlier typed:
"elated177 is behaving as if someone duplicitous by incorrectly quoting me, erh jcross19? Please confirm the elated177 comment, is that what I typed or how I typed it"
but you then you responded to it with:
"Duplicitous? I am just going to ignore that. How and where did I quote you incorrectly?"

1/ Is it not deceitful, changing the the original subject to some unrelated, unconnected and totally different subject
2/ Is it not deceitful giving quite an inaccurate representation and/or an untrue summation of me concerning my stance on homosexuality, huh?
3/ Is it not deceitful resorting to personal digs and spinning half truths about me?.
4/ Is it not deceitful, prevaricating, dodging and parrying questions, huh?
5/ Is it not deceitful, you're trying hard to maintain a lie in the face of truth, huh?

I havent even scratched the tip of the iceberg yet, so how come you're saying the whole "argument" is dependent upon that, huh? I havent even started yet, to throw in any detail but the thing is, you know, your cover will be blown wide open and you will be exposed, if you should confirm, who the bible tells us will be doing the judging and whom the bible said, they will judge? The glaring inconsistency from answering this question, comparing your answer with what's in Jude 1:14-19, and that is in particular Jude 1:14-15, is why you're unwilling and turned back from answering the question.

I doubt you're familiar with the saying: "Knowledge is having the right answer. Intelligence is asking the right question."

You are intimidated by my question(s), the question(s) unnerved you, you lost courage and so took to run away from answering the question. I know your sorts, you are a ten a penny on Nairaland Religion forum, be all mouth and no trousers, when the chips were down, are AWOL and nowhere to be found playing well and no answers to give

You see elated177, you cant go toe to toe with me, because unlike you, who doesnt know what he is talking about, I know a whole lot and more on this homosexuality subject, you sneakingly on this thread sucked and drew me into. You can go write this down somewhere elated177, you do not have the mettle to survive, you have no stamina, you only, have the arrogance of a far-to-see and/or pharisaical spirit, delighting in his own ignorance. I will mop the floor with hundred times elated177, any day, any night, any time. You are ill-informed, and so unprepared that I'll beat you hands down and do it, without much effort, make light work of you and at the end of it, you will end up with what is called getting a trouncing and education
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MuttleyLaff:


I once said that jcross19 has only a hunger for knowledge, unlike elated177 you, who has a hunger for knowledge and thirst for truth, I am right about the jcross19 but I am wrong about you because you're not concerned about either of them.

I also earlier typed:
"elated177 is behaving as if someone duplicitous by incorrectly quoting me, erh jcross19? Please confirm the elated177 comment, is that what I typed or how I typed it"
but you then you responded to it with:
"Duplicitous? I am just going to ignore that. How and where did I quote you incorrectly?"

1/ Is it not deceitful, changing the the original subject to some unrelated, unconnected and totally different subject
2/ Is it not deceitful giving quite an inaccurate representation and/or an untrue summation of me concerning my stance on homosexuality, huh?
3/ Is it not deceitful resorting to personal digs and spinning half truths about me?.
4/ Is it not deceitful, prevaricating, dodging and parrying questions, huh?
5/ Is it not deceitful, you're trying hard to maintain a lie in the face of truth, huh?

I havent even scratched the tip of the iceberg yet, so how come you're saying the whole "argument" is dependent upon that, huh? I havent even started yet, to throw in any detail but the thing is, you know, your cover will be blown wide open and you will be exposed, if you should confirm, who the bible tells us will be doing the judging and whom the bible said, they will judge? The glaring inconsistency from answering this question, comparing your answer with what's in Jude 1:14-19, and that is in particular Jude 1:14-15, is why you're unwilling and turned back from answering the question.

I doubt you're familiar with the saying: "Knowledge is having the right answer. Intelligence is asking the right question."

You are intimidated by my question(s), the question(s) unnerved you, you lost courage and so took to run away from answering the question. I know your sorts, you are a ten a penny on Nairaland Religion forum, be all mouth and no trousers, when the chips were down, are AWOL and nowhere to be found playing well and no answers to give

You see elated177, you cant go toe to toe with me, because unlike you, who doesnt know what he is talking about, I know a whole lot and more on this homosexuality subject, you sneakingly on this thread sucked and drew me into. You can go write this down somewhere elated177, you do not have the mettle to survive, you have no stamina, you only, have the arrogance of a far-to-see and/or pharisaical spirit, delighting in his own ignorance. I will mop the floor with hundred times elated177, any day, any night, any time. You are ill-informed, and so unprepared that I'll beat you hands down and do it, without much effort, make light work of you and at the end of it, you will end up with what is called getting a trouncing and education
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Between the two of us, who was intimidated by the other's questions?

Well like I said in the other thread:

"I won't be engaging in any kind of discussion bordering on the Scriptures of YHVH of Hosts with you anymore on this forum, muttleylaff. It is crystal clear that you are a homosexuality activist. It is almost as if you are being paid to say the things you say in futile attempt to find some good in homosexuality. Your interpretation of the Scriptures will always be skewed, that fact has been well established. If I venture into the politics section and happen to stumble upon any thread which has you in it, we may discuss politics."

elated177:
Between the two of us, who was intimidated by the other's questions?

You are intimidated by my barrage of questioning. When you began feeling the heat of my questions, you changed the thread's original subject and theme about "The Book Of Enoch Exposed!!!!" to some unrelated, unconnected and totally different homosexuality subject

elated177:
Well like I said in the other thread:

"I won't be engaging in any kind of discussion bordering on the Scriptures of YHVH of Hosts with you anymore on this forum, muttleylaff. It is crystal clear that you are a homosexuality activist. It is almost as if you are being paid to say the things you say in futile attempt to find some good in homosexuality. Your interpretation of the Scriptures will always be skewed, that fact has been well established. If I venture into the politics section and happen to stumble upon any thread which has you in it, we may discuss politics."

Wetin concern fish with raincoat, whats my own with discussing "politics" with you, huh?

You are abysmal. You have proven to be a confirmed and bonafide bible illiterate, you are way behind and dont measure up to 2 Timothy 2:15 in any shape or form, above all, you lack good table manners and so cant eat at the same dinning table with me anyway

MuttleyLaff:
You are intimidated by my barrage of questioning. When you began feeling the heat of my questions, you changed the thread's original subject and theme about "The Book Of Enoch Exposed!!!!" to some unrelated, unconnected and totally different homosexuality subject

Wetin concern fish with raincoat, whats my own with discussing "politics" with you, huh?

You are abysmal. You have proven to be a confirmed and bonafide bible illiterate, you are way behind and dont measure up to 2 Timothy 2:15 in any shape or form, above all, you lack good table manners and so cant eat at the same dinning table with me anyway

Abysmal, confirmed and bonafide bible illiterate...a load of cow dung.

What I am in Yahushua the Messiah, my Master, is not in doubt.

I believe what transpired on this thread is open and clear for every reader to see and understand.

elated177:
Abysmal, confirmed and bonafide bible illiterate...a load of cow dung.

What I am in Yahushua the Messiah, my Master, is not in doubt.

I believe what transpired on this thread is open and clear for every reader to see and understand.

Just as the title of the thread, you are exposed and hung out to dry

Until you know the truth and rationale for Leviticus 18:22 and/or Leviticus 20:13, and understand why and how the term abomination that appear in Leviticus 18:22, is so, to God, you will not be free from your bigotry, predijuce, homophobia, discrimination or sanctimonious self and you'll for ever will be stammering, chomping teeth and either as usual, run and/or take flight when stood up to.

Like I earlier said, I am quite sure, you dont know that abomination in the Bible, is relative. Who created shrimps elated177? "Ko le ye ẹ" loosely interpreted means "even if you try, you cant fathom nor work out that question"

MuttleyLaff:
Just as the title of the thread, you are exposed and hung out to dry

Until you know the truth and rationale for Leviticus 18:22 and/or Leviticus 20:13, and understand why and how the term abomination that appear in Leviticus 18:22, is so, to God, you will not be free from your bigotry, predijuce, homophobia, discrimination or sanctimonious self and you'll for ever will be stammering, chomping teeth and either as usual, run and/or take flight when stood up to.

Like I earlier said, I am quite sure, you dont know that abomination in the Bible, is relative. Who created shrimps elated177? "Ko le ye ẹ" loosely interpreted means "even if you try, you cant fathom nor work out that question"

For the umpteenth time.

Actually, muttleylaff, discussing Scriptures with you or anyone who holds your view on homosexuality - after seeing where the Scriptures have unambiguously stated the detestable nature of homosexuality - can as well be a waste of time and energy.

I won't be engaging in any kind of discussion bordering on the Scriptures of YHVH of Hosts with you anymore on this forum, muttleylaff. It is crystal clear that you are a homosexuality activist. It is almost as if you are being paid to say the things you say in futile attempt to find some good in homosexuality. Your interpretation of the Scriptures will always be skewed, that fact has been well established.

I wash my hands and dust my feet.

Revel in your homosexuality.

elated177:
For the umpteenth time.

Actually, muttleylaff, discussing Scriptures with you or anyone who holds your view on homosexuality - after seeing where the Scriptures have unambiguously stated the detestable nature of homosexuality - can as well be a waste of time and energy.

I won't be engaging in any kind of discussion bordering on the Scriptures of YHVH of Hosts with you anymore on this forum, muttleylaff. It is crystal clear that you are a homosexuality activist. It is almost as if you are being paid to say the things you say in futile attempt to find some good in homosexuality. Your interpretation of the Scriptures will always be skewed, that fact has been well established.

I wash my hands and dust my feet.

Revel in your homosexuality.

So what if I am a homosexuality activist, huh?

Some one at least has to make the conscientious decision, to stand up, be a voice for and speak out about the injustice and lack of fairness, to two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour.

elated177, reiterating, if you want to talk about the "good in homosexuality", well there is a lot of good in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour

elated177, like I earlier put to you, have you ever considered the thought of, love, a good thing, that defines the relationship between the two consenting adults, in such a way that they love each other, that they enjoy each other’s company, they are mutually respectful to each other, mutually supportive to each other, and sometimes without sex necessarily being the leading or most important thing for them, huh?. It’s those kind of things, like mutual love, mutual respect, mutual honesty, mutual truthfulness, mutually supportive of each other etcetera, that really matter, the most in the relationship, and as like in any other relationship, whether heterosexual and homosexual, this is a good thing elated177, or dont you agree or think so, huh?

MuttleyLaff:
So what if I am a homosexuality activist, huh?

Some one at least has to make the conscientious decision, to stand up, be a voice for and speak out about the injustice and lack of fairness, to two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour.

elated177, reiterating, if you want to talk about the "good in homosexuality", well there is a lot of good in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour

elated177, like I earlier put to you, have you ever considered the thought of, love, a good thing, that defines the relationship between the two consenting adults, in such a way that they love each other, that they enjoy each other’s company, they are mutually respectful to each other, mutually supportive to each other, and sometimes without sex necessarily being the leading or most important thing for them, huh?. It’s those kind of things, like mutual love, mutual respect, mutual honesty, mutual truthfulness, mutually supportive of each other etcetera, that really matter, the most in the relationship, and as like in any other relationship, whether heterosexual and homosexual, this is a good thing elated177, or dont you agree or think so, huh?

Why do you find difficult to understand and respect other people's views and opinions? You like and enjoy same relationship, have at it. Just desist from twisting and hammering the Scriptures to support it or furnish some justification for it. There is none. The Creator of heaven and earth calls it an abomination, and that is it...finito...okwu agwu la...end of the matter...no room for appeal. Why do you find this hard to understand?


I have already made my views on homosexuality known to you numerous times on this forum. I have used the Scriptures of our Father in heaven to show you how abominable it is in his sight. There is nothing new to add. There is nothing to remove from what I have said concerning the detestable act called homosexuality.

The summary of question which you have asked so many times is this:

What is wrong with two people of the same sex who are engaged in a consensual and committed sexual relationship with each other?

I will give you the same reply I gave you the other time.

So many things are wrong with it:

---it brings about defilement.
---it corrupts the soul and body of the individual.
---it contaminates families.
---it pollutes the society.
---it opens doors to more evil spirits into the world.
---it empowers the manifestation of demons. This in turn leads to all forms of wickedness. Just take a good, long, hard look at our society and tell yourself that it is not filled with wickedness.

You see, MuttleyLaff, some ten, fifteen, twenty years ago, the society was not wicked as it now. Also, homosexuality was not as common as it is now. As the second coming of the Yahushua the Messiah draws nearer, homosexuality will become more common, more countries will either legalize or decriminalize it and those who refuse will be persecuted severely. As acceptance of homosexuality increases, other forms of wickedness will increase with it. Remember that the demons are responsible for the wickedness.

Can you not see what the Scriptures below are saying? They are plain, simple and direct for you to understand. No special interpretation required.

Isaiah 24:5 The earth is defiled by its people; they have disobeyed the laws, violated the statutes and broken the everlasting covenant.


The earth will become so defiled that the only solution will be its destruction.


Isaiah 24:1-3 See, YHVH is going to lay waste the earth and devastate it; he will ruin its face and scatter its inhabitants - it will be the same for priest as for people, for the master as for his servant, for seller as for buyer, for borrower as for lender, for debtor as for creditor. The earth will be completely laid waste and totally plundered. YHVH has spoken this word.

So, dude, forget sentiments. Homosexuality, no matter the form, or shame or pattern, is evil and wrong in so many ways.

Muttleylaff, enjoy your homosexuality. We no dey fight o. Scripturally, it is disgusting, abominable and detestable. That is my stance.

elated177:
Why do you find difficult to understand and respect other people's views and opinions?

I find it difficult to understand views and opinions, because a lion doesnt concern itself with the opinion of a sheeple, I dont lose sleep over them and also ecause you confuse the truth with the opinion of the majority. Dont you know, people have no right to express an opinion until they know all of the answers. You should try being informed instead of just opinionated. Opinion oftten breeds ignorance. Even if I respect views and opinions, how do you possibly expect me to take them seriously, especially when your opinion isnt reality

elated177:
You like and enjoy same relationship, have at it. Just desist from twisting and hammering the Scriptures to support it or furnish some justification for it. There is none. The Creator of heaven and earth calls it an abomination

Odiegwu! SMH. This a big fat lie now.
1/ When did He call it abomination?
2/ Where did He call it abomination?
3/ What did He call abomination?
4/ Why did He call what He called abomination abomination?

elated177:
and that is it...finito...okwu agwu la...end of the matter...no room for appeal. Why do you find this hard to understand?

Content is king, but context is king-maker elated177. I am quite sure you dont understand that comment.

elated177:
I have already made my views on homosexuality known to you numerous times on this forum. I have used the Scriptures of our Father in heaven to show you how abominable it is in his sight. There is nothing new to add. There is nothing to remove from what I have said concerning the detestable act called homosexuality.

This is all because you havent got the facts right. Nothing is more damaging to a new truth than an old error.

elated177:
The summary of question which you have asked do many times is this:

What is wrong with two people of the same sex who are engaged in a consensual and committed sexual relationship with each other?

I will give you the same reply I gave you the other time.

So many things are wrong with it:

---it brings about defilement.
---it corrupts the soul and body of the individual.
---it contaminates families.
---it pollutes the society.
---it opens doors to more evil spirits into the world.
---it empowers the manifestation of demons. This in turn leads to all forms of wickedness. Just take a good, long, hard look at our society and tell yourself that it is not filled with wickedness.

I love reading and watch you lie, like a cheap Persia rug when I know the truth. So all these will happen if was your mom, dad, brother(s), sister(s), uncle(s), aunt(s), nephew(s), niece(s), cousin(s) kid(s) or grandkid(s) that are part of a two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour, who love each other, enjoy each other’s company, are mutually respectful to each other, mutually supportive to each other, and all that and more, sometimes without sex necessarily being the leading or most important thing for them huh?

elated177:
You see, MuttleyLaff, some ten, fifteen, twenty years ago, the society was not wicked as it now. Also, homosexuality was not as common as it is now. As the second coming of the Yahushua the Messiah draws nearer, homosexuality will become more common, more countries will either legalize or decriminalize it and those who refuse will be persecuted severely. As acceptance of homosexuality increases, other forms of wickedness will increase with it. Remember that the demons are responsible for the wickedness.

For you to say homosexuality was not as common as it is now, means you have no idea about gay sex as the fertility rites, know not about the male cult prostitutes that were part of Canaanite Ashtoreth pagan worship and/or the temple prostitutes Cybele pagan worship with orgiastic rites, generally done in both Old Testament and New Testatment Biblical times respectively. SMH.

Nothing is as dangerous as an ignorant believer, especially one like you that keeps displaying colossal ignorance(s). No one is entitled to being and remaining ignorant. You are not entitled to your opinion of lies. You are entitled to being informed

elated177:
Can you not see what the Scriptures below are saying? They are plain, simple and direct for you to understand. No special interpretation required.

Isaiah 24:5 The earth is defiled by its people; they have disobeyed the laws, violated the statutes and broken the everlasting covenant.

The earth will become so defiled that the only solution will be its destruction.

Isaiah 24:1-3 See, YHVH is going to lay waste the earth and devastate it; he will ruin its face and scatter its inhabitants - it will be the same for priest as for people, for the master as for his servant, for seller as for buyer, for borrower as for lender, for debtor as for creditor. The earth will be completely laid waste and totally plundered. YHVH has spoken this word.

So to you, it's two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour, who love each other, enjoy each other’s company, are mutually respectful to each other, mutually supportive to each other, and all that and more, sometimes without sex necessarily being the leading or most important thing for them, are defiling the earth, huh?

elated177:
So, dude, forget sentiments. Homosexuality, no matter the form, or shame or pattern, is evil and wrong in so many ways.

What exactly is the evil and wrong in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour, who love each other, enjoy each other’s company, are mutually respectful to each other, mutually supportive to each other, and all that and more, sometimes without sex necessarily being the leading or most important thing for them, are defiling the earth, huh elated177?

elated177:
Muttleylaff, enjoy your homosexuality. We no dey fight o. Scripturally, it is disgusting, abominable and detestable. That is my stand.

Do you understand who an animal activist is? Do you understand what an animal activist does, huh? Do you know why animal activists, do all what they do, huh. OK, now replace animal activist with homosexuality activist, that you so much enjoy calling me as.
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