₦airaland Forum

GidiWoodsMan:
What is an UNTRUTH there. I said 'probably'.

The Oba of Lagos claims Benin which is still Oduduwa in a roundabout sort of way. The other kings in Lagos are Aworis who claim Ile-Ife origins. Which other king do you know in the entire Yoruba land who claims a pre-Oduduwa ancestry?

The proposition whether "probably" or not is untrue

Oba of Lagos is not Oduduwa in any roundabout or traffic light way that is rubbish.

Not all kings in Lagos are Aworis many are Ijebus who have no claim about their kings coming from Ife

Successmind:
IS Benin A YORUBA NATION
THE LIST OF 54 OBAS WHO ARE ENTITLED TO WEAR CROWNS IN YORUBA LAND COMPILED IN 1931.
The 1931 list of the 54 Obas is reproduced exactly as published in the Nigerian Tribune of 6 April, 1987 as follows:
1.Oni of Ife.
2. Olowu - Abeokuta.
3. Alaafin – Oyo.
4. Oba Ado – Ado-Benin.
5. Ore Otun – Ottun.
6. Orangun – Ila.
7. Awujale – Ode.
8. Ajero – Ijero.
9. Olojudo – Ido Ogundaru.
10. Ilara – Ara.
11. Elekole – Ikole.
12. Owa –Ijesa.
13. Oloye - Oye
14. Alake – Abeokuta.
15. Ewi – Ado.
16. Alaye – Efon.
17. Ologotun.
18. Akarigbo – Shagamu.
19. Oloyi Ife – Oyi Ife (Jebba).
20. Agura – Abeokuta.
21. Ogoga – Ikere.
22. Oshemowe – Ondo.
23. Oshile – Abeokuta.
24. Elemure –Emure.
25. Onigbajo – Igbajo.
26. Olowo Oko – Owo.
27. Olowo Ile – Owo.
28. Ewusi – Shagamu (Onimakun)
29. Onise – Ise.
30. Olojudo – Ido Efon.
31. Owa Idanre.
32. Alajogun – Ajase.
33. Oba Dada – Dahomey.
34. Onibara – Abeokuta.
35. Onire – Ire ti Oye.
36. Oloton – oton Koro.
37. Owa Igbara – Igbara
38. Olojudo – Ido Oshun.
39. Oniseri – Iseri.
40. Oloja Oke – Imesi I.
41. Oloja Oke – Imesi II.
42. Ologere – Ogere.
43. Olo... – Obagun. ......................
44. Elepe – Shagamu (Alupon).
45. Owalubo – Ubo.
46. Onilawe – Ilawe.
47. Onipokia – Ipokia.
48. Onitede – Tede.
49. Olohan – Ohan (Ara).
50. Alapa – Agbonda.
51. Oloba – Akure.
52. Oniro – Iro.
53. Olota – Otta.
54. Onitori – Itori.
In 1937, the first conference of all Obas of Yorubaland held at Oyo, The Ooni of Ife presided. In 1938, the second conference was held at Ife, the Ooni of Ife presided. In 1939, the conference was held in Ibadan, the Ooni of Ife presided.
In 1940, the conference of Yoruba Obas was held at Abeokuta, the Ooni of Ife presided. In 1941, the conference was held at Ijebu-Ode the Ooni of Ife presided.
In 1942, the conference was held at Benin City the Ooni of Ife presided. It was the custom at the conference for the Ooni of Ife to sit in the east and the other Obas on his right and left. The governor sat in the west with members of his staff, the governor would depart with his entourage and the Ooni would take control. The Royal dynasty of Yorubaland extends to Benin Republic, Warri and other parts of the world such as the Akoos, of Sierra Leone and the Bahians of Brazil. In the United States of America, a strong “resorgimento” in African culture and tradition has identified itself with Ife...

Nice information boss,
fourah bay in Sierra Leone.
Akoos in Gambia.

TAO11:
What then do you make of the image below?

The picture didn't tell the whole story.

perryy:
Izoduwa (oduduwa) was from Benin. Anyone who believe he fell from the sky must be drunk as there is no life in the sky. The people then believed he came from the sky because he told them he was the son of Ogiso(king of the sky) . Those men that believed he was from Saudi are dimwitted as it would have been impossible for him to treck down to Ile Ife all the way from Saudi. He told them he was from the side where the sun rises from , that is East, and Benin is east of Ife .

In that case , Olugbo is right ,if you are talking of Paramount rulers of those that speak the Yoruba language. Now if u are talking of Oyo empire, then the Alafin of Oyo is number one and not even Ile ife as Ife did not great any empire . Outside Oyo empire , there was no other unified Yoruba kingdom in history which Ife was the head of. Now , how cone Ooni of Ife is now the number one ruler of Yoruba land ? Was there anything like Yoruba land in history? What history has is Oyo empire which was headed by the Alafin of Oyo and not Ooni of Ife.

If we are to jettison the Oyo empire and talk about a unified Yoruba kingdom, I think the Olugbo is very right as his kingdom predate that of Izoduwa no obhi Arunmunda ( Oduwuwa the son of Arunmunda) It is either we jettison Oyo influence and recognize Ugbo or stand by Oyo and make Alafin the number one ruler of
the modern Oyo empire . Thank you.

Ile-ife is the spiritual head of Yoruba land; in the olden days, it was where sacrifices and atonements were offer to appease/celebrate the gods of the land.

TAO11:
You mean that the Alaafin of Oyo bows to the Ooni only because the Ooni his 40 and he is 90? Okay I have heard you.

In a manner similar to his bowing to the superior authority of the Ooni of Ife, he also bows to the President and his wife because they control more power and authority than he does.

What is too difficult for you to understand in that?



Just Some Quick Questions For You:

1.) Who is the founder of Oyo kingdom according to whatever version of history you read?

2.) Where did this founder of Oyo kingdom hail from?

3.) And who is his father?

Oba oju oba lo.

melzabull:
Very soon we will come and occupy our land, ife which was founded by an igbo prince Odudunwa who was banished from igbo land when he committed an abominable crime. He went yo ile-ife, settled there first as the earliest inhabitant married and had children before dirty beyerebe yolowbas came and joined him at ife

Igbos are the for-runners of ife and will kick you lazy and ungrateful beyerebes out soon back to sudan where you originally migrated from

Stay away from drugs! Amaka stay away from drugs! You no go gree, see what is happening to you now. Soon you go still enter market.

TAO11:
Thanks for your attempt at correcting me. But it's just amusing to me that you couldn't imagine that I know all of these already. Smiles!

Firstly, nowhere in my comment did I assert that Oduduwa was alien to Ile-Ife, even though you didn't substantiate any of your claims. Please read my comment again and point out where I made such assertion.

Secondly, regarding your claim that Shango ruled ONLY in Oyo-Ile; I could swear that you did not read that anywhere in any history book that Shango DID NOT rule as king over Kush kingdom. I bet that the most you've read in any history book is that he ruled in Oyo-Ile after usurping power from his brother, Ajaka.

Please cite me the history book where you read that Shango did not rule as king over Kush Kingdom

At the moment, it's late night time where I live I will return later in the morning with evidence, proof, and reason for this foregoing second point by citing hard and concrete evidence from the leading historian and anthropologist in Africa on Africa.

We are waiting.

seguun:
When the Ooni was replacing the Ugbo people's history with Igbos of South east he doesn't know...now the Olugbo is responding in kind.

I agree, Ooni caused all this commotion. I don't know why its so difficult for all this monarchs to just sit on their throne and STFU.

perryy:
Izoduwa (oduduwa) was from Benin. Anyone who believe he fell from the sky must be drunk as there is no life in the sky. The people then believed he came from the sky because he told them he was the son of Ogiso(king of the sky) . Those men that believed he was from Saudi are dimwitted as it would have been impossible for him to treck down to Ile Ife all the way from Saudi. He told them he was from the side where the sun rises from , that is East, and Benin is east of Ife .

In that case , Olugbo is right ,if you are talking of Paramount rulers of those that speak the Yoruba language. Now if u are talking of Oyo empire, then the Alafin of Oyo is number one and not even Ile ife as Ife did not great any empire . Outside Oyo empire , there was no other unified Yoruba kingdom in history which Ife was the head of. Now , how cone Ooni of Ife is now the number one ruler of Yoruba land ? Was there anything like Yoruba land in history? What history has is Oyo empire which was headed by the Alafin of Oyo and not Ooni of Ife.

If we are to jettison the Oyo empire and talk about a unified Yoruba kingdom, I think the Olugbo is very right as his kingdom predate that of Izoduwa no obhi Arunmunda ( Oduwuwa the son of Arunmunda) It is either we jettison Oyo influence and recognize Ugbo or stand by Oyo and make Alafin the number one ruler of
the modern Oyo empire . Thank you.

Ile-ife is the spiritual head of Yoruba land; in the olden days, Ife was where sacrifices and atonements were offered to appease/celebrate the gods of the land. Alafin was one of the seven children of Okanbi, and okanbi was the only son of oduduwa.

kunmiiii:
CapitalNo Bro!!

There were about 13 kingdoms then, Ugbo was actually one of them, Oduduwa united the whole kingdoms as a centralized Ife by conquering them all, Ugbo was one of the kingdoms conquered.

ugbo later rebelled against ife kingdom while remain kingdoms became ife kingdom. so 13 kingdoms now become 2 kingdoms -ife and ugbo. ugbo throne can be said to be one of oldest one in yoruba land.

aribisala0:
..He met some people on ground in Ife and at the same time there were already people on ground in Ijesha Ekiti Egba etc doing their thing.They are not in anyway related .
Ifa traditional religion had been on ground for centuries before Oduduwa arrived
Yes their are Ifa myths of creation and a person falling from the sky but that person was not Oduduwa thought the story has been corrupted to include him

Here i agree with the spirit of your post. Thank you for you great educative response as always.

100% agree with your view point above.

However, Oduduwa is a unifying figure no doubt, said to have hailed from the East of Ife. That piece of information has always been misconscrued out of proportion to a greater extent.

Yet its safer and more productive to accept the Emperor 's overall mission, UNITY. Soon as unity reigns supreme and unfettered, then the intellectual nuance will actually take its course.

capitalzero:
ugbo later rebelled against ife kingdom while remain kingdoms became ife kingdom. so 13 kingdoms now become 2 kingdoms -ife and ugbo. ugbo throne can be said to be one of oldest one in yoruba land.

I'm not arguing that with you na, I only sought to dispel your erroneous assertions that Ugbo were ruling the people of Ife before the emergence of Oduduwa.

the mad king

aribisala0:
Both of you are totally off point .

What is Yorubaland?

An empire is relevant as long as it has the means to enforce its authority otherwise it is relegated like a VHS recorder.
A defeated emperor cannot claim authority over anyone.

Yes Oyo once ruled much(not all) of "Yorubaland"(whatever this means) same way the Romans and later the British ruled much of the world.
Can the British continue to appoint Governors-General in Nigeria ,India or even the USA which they once owned.

The truth is even in so called Oyo empire territory before the British came the Olubadan had taken over and was the one that save the Oyos's from Ilorin invasion
ALL the nations were independent of each other so the question of Ooni having any authority over the others is quite silly. They only came under the authority of Oyo BY FORCE and rebelled whenever they could for centuries.

Certainly the Ijebu and Egba and those is Lagos are not blood relatives of Oyo and are more aboriginal with greater blood ties to riverine people s while the Oyos have greater blood ties to Nupe and Hausa whilst speaking related language and using Ifa religions. The Ekiti and Ondo have strong links with Edo and Ijaw peoples
The case of Ijebus is very glaring. They are totally unique in that they do not circumcise their women
The other thing to bear in mind is the tribal marks of Oyo which are more "Northern". Tribal marks should tell you that they are not one people

This idea of one Yoruba nation is funny
Ajase and others in Benin republic do not even call themselves Yoruba

Where did you get this from?

forgiveness:
We are waiting.

Same here, TAO11...when you have a minute, kindly do please, I'm really interested in that piece.

forgiveness:
Where did you get this from?

Exactly, he's obviously profoundly mistaken. Precisely the type of viewpoint tha needs refuting. Unity is about concession, leading to progress, love, happiness and success.

aribisala0:
The proposition whether "probably" or not is untrue

Oba of Lagos is not Oduduwa in any roundabout or traffic light way that is rubbish.

Not all kings in Lagos are Aworis many are Ijebus who have no claim about their kings coming from Ife

Ijebu people like other Yorubas traced their history to Ife which is the cradle of the Yoruba race.

msmon:
Oba Were!

Olugbo ti mugbo yo!

Pls help!

The total number of houses in Ugbo is not up to 40. He even built his Palace in Igbokoda. I think Ologbo is crazy. He should go and relax.

Amujale:
Here i agree with the spirit of your post. However, Oduduwa is a unifying figure no doubt, said to have hailed from the East of Ife. That piece of information has always been misconscrued out of proportion to a greater extent.

Yet its safer and more productive to accept the Emperor 's overall mission, UNITY.

Productive for WHOM

If it was not productive then why is it productive now?
There is a reason , a very good one why we have different tribal marks

There is a reason why many Yoruba circumcise their women and Ijebu do not.
When we "UNITE" would we speak Ekiti or Igbomina

The Yoruba say
Ki a ko ko le akata lo ki a to fi abo fun adiye


The only reason why there is "Yoruba" is Nigeria

Even at that some jokers always try to impose their will on other

Let me give you ONE example

Lagos State

Jakande
Fashola
Ambode and now
Sanwo Olu


None of them are Lagos indigene

Now Lagos cannot even produce Senators from within .

So which yeye unity are we talking about?
An Araoke Unity?

Before we accept any such mission let it be defined.
Let Lagos state revert to its indigenes then we can talk of unity.

Let them declare Yorubaland as an enclave for Yoruba traditional religion then we can talk of unity

There are dozens of Arab speaking countries and there is a very good reason why they are SEPARATE.

All of a sudden we are talking of Yorubaland which is a euphemism for resurrecting a dead Oyo empire.
There is nothing like Aare Ona Kakanfo of Lagos

It is in Oyo and does not even reach Ibadan who are superior to Oyo militarily

Guy you need a lot of education about history

The Oyo have greater affinity for the Nupe Tapa and Hausa and are very different from Ekiti and Ondo or Owo even though they share much in common

aribisala0:
Productive for WHOM

If it was not productive then why is it productive now?
There is a reason , a very good one why we have different tribal marks

There is a reason why many Yoruba circumcise their women and Ijebu do not.
When we "UNITE" would we speak Ekiti or Igbomina

The Yoruba say
Ki a ko ko le akata lo ki a to fi abo fun adiye


The only reason why there is "Yoruba" is Nigeria

Even at that some jokers always try to impose their will on other

Let me give you ONE example

Lagos State

Jakande
Fashola
Ambode and now
Sanwo Olu


None of them are Lagos indigene

Now Lagos cannot even produce Senators from within .

So which yeye unity are we talking about?
An Araoke Unity?

Before we accept any such mission let it be defined.
Let Lagos state revert to its indigenes then we can talk of unity.

Let them declare Yorubaland as an enclave for Yoruba traditional religion then we can talk of unity

There are dozens of Arab speaking countries and there is a very good reason why they are SEPARATE.

All of a sudden we are talking of Yorubaland which is a euphemism for resurrecting a dead Oyo empire.
There is nothing like Aare Ona Kakanfo of Lagos

It is in Oyo and does not even reach Ibadan who are superior to Oyo militarily

Guy you need a lot of education about history

The Oyo have greater affinity for the Nupe Tapa and Hausa and are very different from Ekiti and Ondo or Owo even though they share much in common

Productive for Yoruba, Nigeria, Africa and the entire world.

I get your analyses, but that doesnt result in unity.

Unity is key.

Oduduwa's main theme is UNITY.

In antiquity, Yorubaland is a mainly as a result of Ife & Oyo's influence and the great democratic works of awon Omoluabi.

For those who say the great Yoruba migration came from within Nigeria (Benin or igbo Land) as opposed to North Africa, please note travelling far distances within Nigeria (Abeokuta-benin) on foot was not unusual even in recent era that is the early 1900.There were no cars or few cars then.

Ask your grandparents and great grand parents and some will tell you how far they walked carrying stones
To build those granite houses and churches you see.

My point is no Nigerian of that era will count a journey from Benin to ife or Igbo land to ife as a great migration. The Yoruba migrated from the Middle East. Oral traditions corroborated by independent 3rd parties corroborate those oral traditions. These recent rewriting of history on the origins of the yoruba have no corroboration from early sources in any place in the country. Not in the Obama of Benin palace or any Ibo monarchs palace until recently. These are the figment of fictitious minds.

It is said that a bastardized describes his father's house with the left hand. To destroy a nation you attack their identity by attacking their history and their culture.I implore all to address these matters cautiously as we are custodians of a great heritage.Let us not destroy it.

aribisala0:
Both of you are totally off point .

What is Yorubaland?

An empire is relevant as long as it has the means to enforce its authority otherwise it is relegated like a VHS recorder.
A defeated emperor cannot claim authority over anyone.

Yes Oyo once ruled much(not all) of "Yorubaland"(whatever this means) same way the Romans and later the British ruled much of the world.
Can the British continue to appoint Governors-General in Nigeria ,India or even the USA which they once owned.

The truth is even in so called Oyo empire territory before the British came the Olubadan had taken over and was the one that save the Oyos's from Ilorin invasion
ALL the nations were independent of each other so the question of Ooni having any authority over the others is quite silly. They only came under the authority of Oyo BY FORCE and rebelled whenever they could for centuries.

Certainly the Ijebu and Egba and those is Lagos are not blood relatives of Oyo and are more aboriginal with greater blood ties to riverine people s while the Oyos have greater blood ties to Nupe and Hausa whilst speaking related language and using Ifa religions. The Ekiti and Ondo have strong links with Edo and Ijaw peoples
The case of Ijebus is very glaring. They are totally unique in that they do not circumcise their women
The other thing to bear in mind is the tribal marks of Oyo which are more "Northern". Tribal marks should tell you that they are not one people

This idea of one Yoruba nation is funny
Ajase and others in Benin republic do not even call themselves Yoruba

Erin Ijesha and Erin -Oke are both Ijesha lands and they don't eat oka baba(millet) and Ipeere(a spies of snail) because it is an abomination to eat it. Other Yoruba lands eat these things, and not eating these things by those two Ijesha towns don't make them any less Yoruba. An occurrence could have made the Ijebus to stop female circumcision.

ademijuwonlo:
Ijebu people like other Yorubas traced their history to Ife which is the cradle of the Yoruba race.

I think there are a number of things you need to understand
The issue of Ife is a spiritual one and has nothing to do with Ooni today.

The Yoruba belief LIFE started at Ife not just Yoruba life but all creation. It is difficult to grasp this if you do not delve into Ifa Odus.
IT is very symbolic just like "Garden of Eden" whether this Ife where all of mankind originated is the same as today is debatable.

So to that extent Ife is a place of origin but it is wrong to depict it as cradle of Yoruba race. There is nothing like Yoruba race and that is where you need a shift in your thinking. Rewind 400 years ago .

People saw the world and themselves very differently.

Ekiti were Ekiti Oyo were Yoruba Ijesha were Ijesha and so on

They did not see themselves as part of Yoruba race . Such a concept would have been bizarre.

They saw themselves as different peoples who had some commonalities just like the biblical Jews and their neighbours in the Levant 3000 years ago.

The arrival of external threats has caused them so see their similarities which is good but it is good to see the whole picture and not buy into a fiction of one big happy Yoruba family.

The Oyo are significantly influence with Northern origin whilst there are more indigenous aboriginal people further South in the riverine areas some of whom have been pushed out toward the Niger Delta or across the Niger
So there are Yoruba groups with Edo,Igala , Ijaw, Egun , Hausa affiliations and tendencies.

phineas:
For those who say the great Yoruba migration came from within Nigeria (Benin or igbo Land) as opposed to North Africa, please note travelling far distances within Nigeria (Abeokuta-benin) on foot was not unusual even in recent era that is the early 1900.There were no cars or few cars then.

Ask your grandparents and great grand parents and some will tell you how far they walked carrying stones
To build those granite houses and churches you see.

My point is no Nigerian of that era will count a journey from Benin to ife or Igbo land to ife as a great migration. The Yoruba migrated from the Middle East. Oral traditions corroborated by independent 3rd parties corroborate those oral traditions. These recent rewriting of history on the origins of the yoruba have no corroboration from early sources in any place in the country. Not in the Obama of Benin palace or any Ibo monarchs palace until recently. These are the figment of fictitious minds.

It is said that a bastardized describes his father's house with the left hand. To destroy a nation you attack their identity by attacking their history and their culture.I implore all to address these matters cautiously as we are custodians of a great heritage.Let us not destroy it.

Yoruba predate the middle East in years that amount in thousands upon thousands.

When either Ife or Oyo empire is at the heights of their success, there was NO people resident in Asia.

Everyone living on the planet those times are all resident of the African continent.


Africans are the first people to populate Asia, and that was hundreds of thousands of years after experiencing numerous empires and civilisations e.g Ife, Oyo, Zimbabwe, Ethiopia e.t.c

aribisala0:
Both of you are totally off point .

What is Yorubaland?

An empire is relevant as long as it has the means to enforce its authority otherwise it is relegated like a VHS recorder.
A defeated emperor cannot claim authority over anyone.

Yes Oyo once ruled much(not all) of "Yorubaland"(whatever this means) same way the Romans and later the British ruled much of the world.
Can the British continue to appoint Governors-General in Nigeria ,India or even the USA which they once owned.

The truth is even in so called Oyo empire territory before the British came the Olubadan had taken over and was the one that save the Oyos's from Ilorin invasion
ALL the nations were independent of each other so the question of Ooni having any authority over the others is quite silly. They only came under the authority of Oyo BY FORCE and rebelled whenever they could for centuries.

Certainly the Ijebu and Egba and those is Lagos are not blood relatives of Oyo and are more aboriginal with greater blood ties to riverine people s while the Oyos have greater blood ties to Nupe and Hausa whilst speaking related language and using Ifa religions. The Ekiti and Ondo have strong links with Edo and Ijaw peoples
The case of Ijebus is very glaring. They are totally unique in that they do not circumcise their women
The other thing to bear in mind is the tribal marks of Oyo which are more "Northern". Tribal marks should tell you that they are not one people

This idea of one Yoruba nation is funny
Ajase and others in Benin republic do not even call themselves Yoruba

Erin Ijesha and Erin -Oke are both Ijesha lands and they don't eat oka baba(millet) and Ipeere(a spies of snail) because it is an abomination to eat it. Other Yoruba lands eat these things, and not eating these things by those two Ijesha towns don't make them any less Yoruba. An occurrence could have made the Ijebus to stop female circumcision.
Different towns in yoruba lands have things they do differently from the others.

ademijuwonlo:
Erin Ijesha and Erin -Oke are both Ijesha lands and they don't eat oka baba(millet) and Ipeere(a spies of snail) because it is an abomination to eat it. Other Yoruba lands eat these things, and not eating these things by those two Ijesha towns don't make them any less Yoruba. An occurrence could have made the Ijebus to stop female circumcision.
Different towns in yoruba lands have things they do differently from the others.

Sir with respect this is not logic .


Before you talk about being less or more Yoruba you must define the attributes that constitute Yoruba-ness

Is a seat anything that we sit on?

The fact is that what it means to be "Yoruba" Today is not what it meant 100 years ago. It is a Nigerian construct.
The same or similar people in Benin are not called Yoruba . WHY?

How can you compare eating with circumcision.
It is quite a stupid thing to say.
If you do not know what to say keep quiet

The fact is you only intermarried with your own kind.

Circumcision meant the Ijebus did not intermarry with many so called Yoruba groups for centuries and that has left an enduring narrative of other-ness and different-ness between the Ijebu and other groups

kunmiiii:
Same here, TAO11...when you have a minute, kindly do please, I'm really interested in that piece.

But I doubt it until she proves otherwise.

aribisala0:
I think there are a number of things you need to understand
The issue of Ife is a spiritual one and has nothing to do with Ooni today.

The Yoruba belief LIFE started at Ife not just Yoruba life but all creation. It is difficult to grasp this if you do not delve into Ifa Odus.
IT is very symbolic just like "Garden of Eden" whether this Ife where all of mankind originated is the same as today is debatable.

So to that extent Ife is a place of origin but it is wrong to depict it as cradle of Yoruba race. There is nothing like Yoruba race and that is where you need a shift in your thinking. Rewind 400 years ago .

People saw the world and themselves very differently.

Ekiti were Ekiti Oyo were Yoruba Ijesha were Ijesha and so on

They did not see themselves as part of Yoruba race . Such a concept would have been bizarre.

They saw themselves as different peoples who had some commonalities just like the biblical Jews and their neighbours in the Levant 3000 years ago.

The arrival of external threats has caused them so see their similarities which is good but it is good to see the whole picture and not buy into a fiction of one big happy Yoruba family.

The Oyo are significantly influence with Northern origin whilst there are more indigenous aboriginal people further South in the riverine areas some of whom have been pushed out toward the Niger Delta or across the Niger
So there are Yoruba groups with Edo,Igala , Ijaw, Egun , Hausa affiliations and tendencies.

They all traced their root to Ile-ife and Each towns have developed differently due to contact with people of different ethnicity due to trade and other factors that can't be explained!

[quote author=Amujale post=78176376]Yoruba predate the middle East in years that amount in thousands upon thousands.

When either Ife or Oyo empire is at the heights of their success, there was NO people resident in Asia.






Middle East as used in the post refers to a place and not a people. Egypt, lush and other lands extended from North Africa to the Middle East. Migrants from that era settled all along the way up to North Africa.

Yoruba share lots and lots of similarities with ancient Egypt including words and cultures.The one I find most amusing is naming the mother after her first child's name Mama x. Ancient eygyptian

While I agree that there were others on ground on their arrival. (The ilesha ,ondo, ekiti and some akoko people not all as some like the image akoko still trace their history to oduduwa) the great migration explains the first and second settlement of the oyo empire somewhere in present kogi.

In summary that migration happened

Amujale:
Exactly, he's obviously profoundly mistaken. Precisely the type of viewpoint tha needs refuting. Unity is about concession, leading to progress, love, happiness and success.

I have never heard that before but I will wait for her to provide evidence.

Amujale:
Productive for Yoruba, Nigeria, Africa and the entire word.

I get your analyses, but that doesnt result in unity.

Unity is key.

Oduduwa's main theme is UNITY.

In antiquity, Yorubaland is a mainly as a result of Ife & Oyo's influence and the great democratic works of awon Omoluabi.

Unity is a good idea

Just like Islam promises heaven with conviction
so does Christianity

The fact that an idea promises good things does not mean it will deliver them. It is naive to say PDP promised this or APC promised that so it will happen.

What is there beneath the cheap talk.
UNITY.

Whose unity
Friendship which friendship, the one that involves me submitting my paycheck to you monthly?

Unity is just empty talk for simple minds.

Any unity in "Yorubaland" cannot be under any monarch the supremacy of one king over another cannot be accepted because it means supremacy of one people over another

Citing historical supremacy is like saying the British once ruled America or Romans once ruled Britain or the scores were 2-0 at half time.
Already at colonization Oyo had been replaced by Ibadan as the superpower so what are we saying.
So why is Oba of Lagos not crowned the highest now?

MyVILLAGEpeople:
I think it's high time the Ooni of Ife, Alaafin of Oyo and Awujale of Ijebu land give this Oba Akinruntan a response or carry out a spiritual warfare on him for desecrating the Yoruba history.

Do you think they have a response? They can only try to suppress him.
Have you ever asked yourself if Yoruba race started at the time of Oduduwa? If not, who were the people he met in Ile Ife? Don't be deceived the coming of Oduduwa to Ife was by peaceful means, it was a war that vanquished the old dynasty, transforming Ife Oyelagbo to Ife Oodua. Most people are talking out of sheer ignorance.