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| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by ifyboy60(m): 10:20pm On May 18, 2019 |
Dottore:it's deeper than that bro. china depends on us technology like Intel, Qualcomm to produce high end gadgets. they seriously depend on US for food imports especially wheats and several grain and animal food. The US can raise taxes of 500billion dollars on Chinese imports but china can't raise more than 100billion on US imports. China will ultimately loose the trade war if it persists, countries like India, Indonesia and the Asian tigers are waiting to replace china as the USA's main manufacturers but no country has the capacity to supply china the qty of wheat and grain the US does. the US has excess landmass and can feed nations, china has a huge population which takes up the landmass leaving little for agriculture. |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by ifyboy60(m): 10:24pm On May 18, 2019 |
lilianofentse:wisdom wee not kee u |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by litaninja(m): 10:52pm On May 18, 2019 |
Of all things....this is your problem? kolafolabi: |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by Dottore: 10:56pm On May 18, 2019 |
ifyboy60:Oga I have been following the trade war updates as well as reading the many articles from popular news media and economic analysts. Firstly how many of the US tech giants manufacture their products in US? All of the US tech giants have their production plants in China and they have to ship the finished products back to the US and their products are amongst the highly taxed, this means Americans will get the products at a higher cost. Secondly the trade war is just a license for China to heighten counterfeiting of US high tech products and believe me bro they will do it well. China is America biggest supplier of finished products, setting up another country to replace China will take donkey years because China is highly industrialized with adequate labour supply as well as commensurate HDI to match the globalization trends. China can source the supply of grains from other countries and they are already doing that. They kept American chain of raw food supply as a mutual trade effort in peace times not because they can't get alternatives. You'd see them survive better with a more steady and cheaper supply from many willing developing countries. |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by ifyboy60(m): 11:16pm On May 18, 2019 |
Dottore:Not all, there is something called trade secrets. delicate US Tech companies like Qualcomm won't manufacture their priceless chips outside the US. Arms manufacturers have no plants in China. Artificial intelligence coys aren't in China. China is even sending it's brilliant citizens to ivy colleges to learn artificial intelligence and expert systems, why do u think china steals US Technology. The world economy have shifted from manufacturing to information and that's the key. it's not just about manufacturing, it's also about agriculture, Innovation and PATENTS. How many parents do the Chinese have. China still has a loooong way to go and they know it. |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by ifyboy60(m): 11:26pm On May 18, 2019 |
Dottore:How many countries on earth have the capacity to supply grains to the Chinese population. u don't get it, china is an agric power house, but their population is too massive, adding animals too. Only the US has the capacity and I mean it. just mention any country that can supply 1 millions tonns of grain just to a single country. Even russia can't. North Korea of all people still get food from the US. if u have ever drank wine, it's very likely the grapes were planted in California. Even Nigeria imports grains from the US. during ww2, Japan declared war on America coz they cut dem off from food, oil and minerals. u don't seem to get the picture, Alaska alone is almost bigger than Nigeria in landmass, California is half of Nigeria with less than the population of Lagos and Kano, state of Wyoming is bigger than southern Nigerian with a population of less than 6 million. No country can replace them in food export. Agric has always been a mainstay in US economy. and they can punish u with it. Moreover they can pressure their allies to reduce food export to China. |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by Nobody: 11:48pm On May 18, 2019 |
abdelrahman:Its not called "owning" its called debt and it was China that freely bought the debt. |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by Nobody: 12:12am On May 19, 2019 |
ifyboy60:Actually in terms of agriculture output you are right. When the US placed tariff on Sorghum the next available source was Nigeria but we could not supply 1/3 of what the US was supplying . China is combining the soybeans output from various countries to meet its needs and cover the loss in tariffs from the US. Who are the allies, Europeans that are getting bit by the tariff from steal. Even France wants to retaliate by introducing a new law which will enable the country to start taxing US conglomerate and big firm such as Google for there services they render to the French. Or is it Germany, the scary cat that is confused and is trying to battle recession. China still has the ultimate weapons but won't use it... Meanwhile I will build an android app for your business, website, organization at an affordable price |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by DeejaywonDJ1(m): 12:14am On May 19, 2019*. Modified: 12:36am On May 19, 2019 |
ifyboy60: |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by crunchyg: 12:43am On May 19, 2019 |
lilianofentse:What did you see ,miss seer?? |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by Sprumbaba: 12:47am On May 19, 2019 |
Dottore:Lol. Village economic. Keeping your currency down is an unfair advantage. By the way, the trade war affects China that the US. The impact on Chinese GDP is 8% while the US is 2.5%. The US does not need China. China needs the US manufacturer to stay in China. They will all move to Viet Nam. Foxcon is already leaving China. |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by Sprumbaba: 12:55am On May 19, 2019 |
anonymous1759:When you have slow internet, you have no room to find information from right places. China is the one bleeding. China cannot match the US in terms of tariffs because they import less from the US while the US imports more from them. The US can impose $300B tariff on Chinese import but China cannot. Foxconn has 1.3 million employees in China. Foxconn is by far the country's largest private employee. They are leaving soon. They are already building in Wisconsin |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by ifyboy60(m): 12:55am On May 19, 2019 |
wamiikechukwu:u get my point, in terms of food it is still difficult to shore up the huge deficit, coz most countries are loosing arable land to population explosion but the US has huge uninhabited landmass. for the allies, if push comes to shove they will follow the US. As an example, Britain, South Korea, Australia didnt really want to invade Afghanistan but since big bro America that saved their assess in ww2 insisted, they had no choice. Britain believed Saddam Hussein didn't have a WMD but since the US was invading they grudgingly joined. Their ties is cemented in blood and racism. |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by ifyboy60(m): 12:58am On May 19, 2019 |
Sprumbaba:I really don't know what they think china has to gain. In full trade war, US beats china silly. they fail to understand that the US can replace china with India or even Japan. Japan used to occupy that position anyways before china came with cheaper labour and Japanese tech is even superior to Chinese sef. I think they are been emotional. |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by ifyboy60(m): 1:17am On May 19, 2019 |
wamiikechukwu:China exports to US is 500billion dollars plus US export to China is less than 150 billion dollars. US has more leverage. they can get manufacturers from India, Japan, Vietnam, Indonesia. China would lose 500billion dollars as against US's 150. Many of those companies are US companies and can be recalled. China is still trying to develop is own financial system. they have no weapon that can drown the US. if they make the US bleed, then they themselves(china) will bleed to death. |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by Nobody: 1:24am On May 19, 2019 |
ifyboy60:Its not always about trade but finance. I guess you don't follow the financial market like I do. Debt... The US debt, a large portion of it (trillions of dollars) are held by the Chinese as Treasury Bills and Bonds. Selling them will cause uncertainty to the US dollar but... |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by anonymous1759(m): 1:53am On May 19, 2019 |
Sprumbaba:China has built itself to be self sufficient, America will still succumb if China couldn't stand them they wouldn't have retaliated . Banning Fb, Wikipedia and the rest of them will go a long way and China is taking over the world Economy. They've the whole of Africa in their pocket. The United is the jealous one here not China. America is indebted to China, even the poor Americans are finding it difficult because their cheap stores are made up of Chinese product not American. |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by DeejaywonDJ1(m): 2:16am On May 19, 2019 |
anonymous1759:China have already planned to empty themselves to Africa, other Asia and oceania countries, they're the largest or second largest immigrant in most of those countries... |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by Nobody: 5:51am On May 19, 2019 |
kolafolabi:You can ban it totally, There are millions of porn sites around the world. Even in Saudi Arabia you can still watch porn if you want but it's banned |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by Hienna(m): 6:44am On May 19, 2019 |
Ive just mentioned these not so long... China learnt frm America. Google, Wikipedia, all spies on u bt u wont knw.. Thnk God China realize this Earlier.. Its collaboration with korea n russia has an impact. |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by capitalzero: 7:51am On May 19, 2019 |
ifyboy60:You are absolutely correct. |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by cue64: 7:54am On May 19, 2019 |
Even the facebook and google they banned their people are still Using it VIA VPN |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by capitalzero: 8:02am On May 19, 2019 |
ifyboy60:China is already loosing the war. I think trump policy is paying off. China is facing imminent danger. Chinese are emigrating in large numbers to Africans and neighbouring countries to survive. China lies about their financial system and nobody can talk. Threre is no freedom of information which is key to national development. in this era any nation that suppress information is doomed. Africa leaders should be wary of Chinese government. |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by Nobody: 8:14am On May 19, 2019 |
wamiikechukwu:Won't they pay back to China? How will the US pay back such amount that runs in trillion dollars? Just asking Same with Japan |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by Sprumbaba: 1:24pm On May 19, 2019 |
anonymous1759:Like I said. Facebook, Wikipedia, how does that affects the US economy, these are social media. Africa in the pocket of China is Slavery 2.0. Your eyes will clear in 20 years time. Pls travel around the world to shape your thinking. |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by anonymous1759(m): 4:48pm On May 19, 2019 |
Sprumbaba:Lol, the loan China gives Africa what do you think it's for? Do you think China is a charity organization? They give you loan to have access to your Economy. Even America will not pay the debt they owe to China in 10yrs time talk less of African countries who are finding it hard to survive. Banning Hawuaei product is equivalent to banning Fb and Wikipedia if it won't have any effect on the Economy the both countries won't opt for it. America is a very jealous country dey want to dominate everywhere. Any Country who can raise shoulder with them is considered an Enemy. The way China is going I see them dominating the world. If you look closely they're venturing into everything in sport eg EPL, laliga and seria A. They're owning Stakes. In Africa they're responsible for most of the factories even in America they own most of the stores with cheap goods, That's why America wants to react. The only thing that makes America better at the moment is just the language barrier China has but they're coping. One of the best self sufficient County in the world. America still get some of their food from Mexico, no has it all. If you've the opportunity go and learn Chinese language it'll pave way for you easily anywhere you migrate to because their companies is almost everywhere. |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by dermmy(m): 4:56pm On May 19, 2019 |
Saintp:If China builds a democratic society don't you think the west could exploit that and try to forment uprising in the country? Even if the west is not planning that, that is the belief among the communist party members. The chinese government does not want external interference that is why the government has been sinicizing religion and censoring other things that serve as threats to the communist government. The Tiananmen square protest of 1989 known as Tian anmen square massacre in the west is still a hot subject in the country and the government is trying to erase the topic, the government does not want it to form the consciousness of the younger generation hence the blocking. |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by Saintp(m): 6:40pm On May 19, 2019 |
dermmy:I don't think so. On the contrary not building a free democratic society will be the catalyst for uprising in the future. As China continues to make economic progress with millions of citizens being lifted out of poverty, the next wish for the average Chinese is to enjoy a free and democratic society to compliment their economic prosperity especially as they see their western counterparts enjoy it. A time will come when the communist government will lose control to the will of the people. For example, China used to be a low wage economy but that is changing as their eye don dey open small small. In the next 10 years, there is every possibility that wage growth in China will catch the wages in the west. Why? They want to get to the standard of their western counterparts. If you can pay an American $10 to do a job, why should a Chinese take $3 to do the same job? So it is a gradual process. So democracy will surely come to China and the earlier the communist government usher it in, the more likely the will overtake the US and the more likely they avoid a revolution some day. I'm saying this as someone who has Chinese friends |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by Sprumbaba: 12:19am On May 20, 2019 |
anonymous1759:I cannot fix stupid. What you wrote is nonsense. I am out. |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by falopey: 1:59am On May 20, 2019*. Modified: 2:29am On May 20, 2019 |
Dottore:Don’t worry. All those US tech giants and manufacturing jobs in China are moving to other parts of south east Asia very soon. Places like Vietnam, Nepal, Indonesia, Malaysia are warming up to take up China’s place in cheap labor supply. China does not have monopoly of cheap labor. This is an exposition by an American company executive on a radio show that it’s a way to go to avoid US tariff by American companies in China. I pray some of those American companies should come and open their plants in Nigeria too. They can get as many cheap labors they want. If this happens, unemployment will soar in China. Of course as it stands now, the trade war is affecting China more. Trump announced it publicly on tweeter that China economy growth has slowed down due to the war. We are yet to see a rebuttal from China to debunk it. According to a recent research. 40% of food produced in America is thrown away/wasted. Despite that, too many Americans are obese due to excessive food consumption. China gets its milk, beef, pork and grains from the US. Literally the US feeds China’s one billion people. Only a country that has enough food to throw away after feeding her citizens can supply China’s over one billion people with the same amount of produce. The fact is, both countries cannot do well without each other. Take for instance, a pair of sneakers that cost $5 to make in China is sold for $300 in the US. Despite the price, people will still queue to buy their own pairs. Where in the world can China get such a materialistic market? Maybe Nigerians can buy ordinary sneakers for $300. Do you think that’s the kind of a market China can afford to lose? |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by DeejaywonDJ1(m): 9:17am On May 20, 2019 |
Bro no country can take away china cheap labour workforce. country with over 500 millions skill labour and over 800 millions workforce,do you know the population of chinese in all those countries you mention above and moreover they're like brothers, and most of their highly skill personnel are chinese. USA is not in top 30 of countries China import from, research very well before you post/comment. |
| Re: Wikipedia Now Banned In China, As It Affect All Languages by anonymous1759(m): 11:03am On May 20, 2019 |
[quote author=Sprumbaba post=78541635]I cannot fix stupid. What you wrote is nonsense. I am out.[/quote Incompetent fool like you Gerrout |
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