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OkCornel:
Relax first. We are not fighting or quarreling. Just a healthy discussion. Question and Answer sessions are also part of the studying the scriptures isn't it?

Angel Michael is an arch-angel, I agree. Lucifer (before he fell) and Gabriel, do they also rank as arch-angels? Yes or No

NO!

Maximus69:
Jesus could rebuked Satan because Satan DIRECTLY asked his brother to render sacred service to him instead of their heavenly father who has the sole right to receive our worship! Revelations 4:11

But as for Moses body, Satan thought since God has punished Moses not to enter the promised land, he has gained Moses as part of those to be destroyed! So he has the right to know why Michael have come to take away the body of a seemingly condemned prophet, until Michael said 'may Jehovah rebuke you' that is when Satan realised that the order to remove Moses body for burial is from the Most high himself! Psalms 83:18

If Arch-angel Michael was Jesus, He would have the authority to rebuke Satan irrespective of the circumstances...

Another thing, if Arch-angel Michael is Jesus... why didn't the Apostles cast out demons and perform signs and wonders in the name of Arch-angel Michael? After all, they should be one and the same person right? Even Demons should know they are the one and the same person if it is true...isn't it?

Maximus69:
NO!

Lucifer was not an arch-angel before he fell? Seriously? So Lucifer could be the most beautiful thing God created and so close to God, but yet was never an arch-angel?

Gabriel also is not an arch-angel?

Maximus69:
You need to STUDY the Bible with us before you can fully grasp all of these!
If you read of any angel introducing himself, it was granted by Jehovah otherwise they have NO right to speak with humans! But the rebellious ones who NO MORE knows nothing about God's arrangements are causing all they could before their destruction!
Please there is no other names of angels mentioned unless if you go outside the Bible ,those arrogant angels wants to deal with people anyway and they've infected people with the spirit of ARROGANCE,that is why all those carrying such books can never be united as a global family like true Christians[JWs]!

I don't agree with the bolded. Besides, do you believe the Bible (a collection of 66 books decided by the council of Nicea) is the COMPLETE WORD OF GOD?

Maximus69:
You need to STUDY the Bible with us before you can fully grasp all of these!

Grabbing lie bah

If you read of any angel introducing himself, it was granted by Jehovah otherwise they have NO right to speak with humans!

JWs and their double standard!
So the angels you believe have sex with human in Noah's day were given permission by Jehovah

But the rebellious ones who NO MORE knows nothing about God's arrangements are causing all they could before their destruction!

So there was a time when angels don't need permission from Jehovah but can act on their own will

Please there is no other names of angels mentioned unless if you go outside the Bible ,those arrogant angels wants to deal with people anyway and they've infected people with the spirit of ARROGANCE,that is why all those carrying such books can never be united as a global family like true Christians[JWs]!

And this is coming from someone who see another person carrying Bible OPENLY and claiming to be Born again Christian as eye service but going about NL shouting we do the work of Jehovah, we are the only one practicing what we preach e.t.c isn't eye service.

Hypocrite!

OkCornel:
If Arch-angel Michael was Jesus, He would have the authority to rebuke Satan irrespective of the circumstances...

Another thing, if Arch-angel Michael is Jesus... why didn't the Apostles cast out demons and perform signs and wonders in the name of Arch-angel Michael? After all, they should be one and the same person right? Even Demons should know they are the one and the same person if it is true...isn't it?

The bodies differs Sir!
Don't forget that the Demons were excommunicated so they can't IDENTIFY the one who came as Jesus. Moreover the name given changed from what everyone was expecting [Emmanuel]
So there is no way the demons could recognise Jesus as Michael since he is not in the spiritual body recognisable to them! The only thing the knew is that whoever is baptised by John the baptist and anointed with the holy spirit is the PERSON!
Hence Satan couldn't even know that the changed personality is the same Michael their eldest brother!
They only knew that Jesus' name is having some kind of force they can't contend with, hence an intelligent demon refused to obey the name when used by those having no strong faith,he realised that they're just pronouncing it as ordered! Matthew17:14-20
Another intelligent demon also killed those using the name for the fun of it without faith in Jesus!

OkCornel:
Lucifer was not an arch-angel before he fell? Seriously? So Lucifer could be the most beautiful thing God created and so close to God, but yet was never an arch-angel?

Gabriel also is not an arch-angel?

That name and description is not part of the inspired Scriptures!
So if you want to learn from us, just keep what you think you know aside FIRST.
But if you feel what you know is OK, then go and worship with those having the same mindset!
We are Jehovah's Witnesses,we're 100% sure that whoever is not with us can NEVER know our God and his ways!

Maximus69:
The bodies differs Sir!
Don't forget that the Demons were excommunicated so they can't IDENTIFY the one who came as Jesus. Moreover the name given changed from what everyone was expecting [Emmanuel]
So there is no way the demons could recognise Jesus as Michael since he is not in the spiritual body recognisable to them! The only thing the knew is that whoever is baptised by John the baptist and anointed with the holy spirit is the PERSON!
Hence Satan couldn't even know that the changed personality is the same Michael their eldest brother!
They only knew that Jesus' name is having some kind of force they can't contend with, hence an intelligent demon refused to obey the name when used by those having no strong faith,he realised that they're just pronouncing it as ordered! Matthew17:14-20
Another intelligent demon also killed those using the name for the fun of it without faith in Jesus!

Perhaps you didn't get my question.

The Apostles performed signs and wonders with the name of Jesus. They casted out demons with the name of Jesus... why didn't they also use the name of Arch-angel Michael if indeed Michael and Jesus are one and the same person?

Have you seen instances where the sick were healed or demons were casted out in the name of Michael in the scriptures?

Have you seen miracles that happened after prayers were offered in Arch-angel Michael's name?

Maximus69:
That name and description is not part of the inspired Scriptures!
So if you want to learn from us, just keep what you think you know aside FIRST.
But if you feel what you know is OK, then go and worship with those having the same mindset!
We are Jehovah's Witnesses,we're 100% sure that whoever is not with us can NEVER know our God and his ways!

I think you are taking it personal... relax...

Per the bolded...I'm not forcing my views down your throat. I am asking questions based on the scriptures... besides, Paul never admonished the Berean Christians in such a manner...

By the way... saying "we're 100% sure that whoever is not with us can NEVER know our God and his ways" makes it sound as though God only reveals Himself to JW...which is untrue!

Which name and description is not part of the inspired scriptures? is it Lucifer?

OkCornel:
I don't agree with the bolded. Besides, do you believe the Bible (a collection of 66 books decided by the council of Nicea) is the COMPLETE WORD OF GOD?

The council surely caused so much confusion with what they did, that is why all these people are criticizing us for making researches to CORRECT all the misinformation that came in due to the work of that council!
Instead of them to notice the progress in what Jesus is doing in our midst to improve his group, they're saying 'JWs are adding and subtracting from God's word'. But Jesus' word is what we stand upon! Luke 7:35
So if they feel we're not doing things right, let them get to WORK and prove us wrong by making their theories work out what is fine amongst them!
Believe me they will continue to scatter and divide yet claiming they're all worshiping Jesus like a commander whose commands can't unite his soldiers! Matthew 12:30

OkCornel:
I think you are taking it personal... relax...

Per the bolded...I'm not forcing my views down your throat. I am asking questions based on the scriptures... besides, Paul never admonished the Berean Christians in such a manner...

By the way... saying "we're 100% sure that whoever is not with us can NEVER know our God and his ways" makes it sound as though God only reveals Himself to JW...which is untrue!

Which name and description is not part of the inspired scriptures? is it Lucifer?

Well God ONLY reveal himself to JWs!
But since you are sure that is not true, then go and fetch for those PRACTICING what his son laid down apart from us!
We are Jehovah's Witnesses Sir. This is not how we teach people and don't forget that the Bereans can SEE the activities of the new group claiming 'nobody can worship their God ACCEPTABLY without joining them to learn his ways which their Master have taught them!' Act 4:12
If you want to know more about us, then welcome my brothers in your neighbourhood. They will come around, just table all your questions before them and SEE both theory and practical!

Maximus69:
The council surely caused so much confusion with what they did, that is why all these people are criticizing us for making researches to CORRECT all the misinformation that came in due to the work of that council!
Instead of them to notice the progress in what Jesus is doing in our midst to improve his group, they're saying 'JWs are adding and subtracting from God's word'. But Jesus' word is what we stand upon! Luke 7:35
So if they feel we're not doing things right, let them get to WORK and prove us wrong by making their theories work out what is fine amongst them!
Believe me they will continue to scatter and divide yet claiming they're all worshiping Jesus like a commander whose commands can't unite his soldiers! Matthew 12:30

Well... I admire the work JW do in terms of evangelism and spreading the word of God. From time to time I read the awake and watchtower magazine. I have also had cause interact with you guys from time to time BUT...I do not agree with all the doctrines. That is why I question them.

Anyways, the TRUTH would always speak for itself and lies and errors would surely be revealed with the passage of time...

Maximus69:
The bodies differs Sir!
Don't forget that the Demons were excommunicated so they can't IDENTIFY the one who came as Jesus. Moreover the name given changed from what everyone was expecting [Emmanuel]
So there is no way the demons could recognise Jesus as Michael since he is not in the spiritual body recognisable to them! The only thing the knew is that whoever is baptised by John the baptist and anointed with the holy spirit is the PERSON!
Hence Satan couldn't even know that the changed personality is the same Michael their eldest brother!
They only knew that Jesus' name is having some kind of force they can't contend with, hence an intelligent demon refused to obey the name when used by those having no strong faith,he realised that they're just pronouncing it as ordered! Matthew17:14-20
Another intelligent demon also killed those using the name for the fun of it without faith in Jesus!

garbage and nonsense as usual. First shot: Angels CANT RECEIVE worship,only God. Yet Jesus did receive worship and will receive worship ,the same worship Directed to God will be given to him.
How can a mere angel qualify for this?

Second:
In Hebrews,it specifically says says ... to which of His angels does He(God the Father) say ... (meaning Jesus is excluded in the class mentioned) ...
But to the Son,He says (watch this) thy throne Oh God (God the Father calling Jesus God!) ...
heb1v5,heb1v8

Maximus69:
Well God ONLY reveal himself to JWs!
But since you are sure that is not true, then go and fetch for those PRACTICING what his son laid down apart from us!
We are Jehovah's Witnesses Sir. This is not how we teach people and don't forget that the Bereans can SEE the activities of the new group claiming 'nobody can worship their God ACCEPTABLY without joining them to learn his ways which their Master have taught them!' Act 4:12
If you want to know more about us, then welcome my brothers in your neighbourhood. They will come around, just table all your questions before them and SEE both theory and practical!

I do not agree. Before JW was formed... God has been in the business of revealing Himself to those who seek the TRUTH and not just a select group of people...

God is not biased...

OkCornel:
Perhaps you didn't get my question.

The Apostles performed signs and wonders with the name of Jesus. They casted out demons with the name of Jesus... why didn't they also use the name of Arch-angel Michael if indeed Michael and Jesus are one and the same person?

Have you seen instances where the sick were healed or demons were casted out in the name of Michael in the scriptures?

Have you seen miracles that happened after prayers were offered in Arch-angel Michael's name?

That name JESUS is the keyword so Michael is his name as an angel NOT as the ANOINTED Messiah.
That is why there was no record of miracles performed before he was anointed with his NEW NAME!
Our God has orders and his orders must be adhere to STRICTLY, that is why he Got baptised and was anointed as Jesus NOT as Michael!
So whoever is asking for what he bears before coming to be anointed as the Messiah is simply NOT submissive!

asalimpo:
garbage and nonsense as usual. First shot: Angels CANT RECEIVE worship,only God. Yet Jesus did receive worship and will receive worship ,the same worship Directed to God will be given to him.
How can a mere angel qualify for this?

Second:
In Hebrews,it specifically says says ... to which of His angels does He(God the Father) say ... (meaning Jesus is excluded in the class mentioned) ...
But to the Son,He says (watch this) thy throne Oh God (God the Father calling Jesus God!) ...
heb1v5,heb1v8

Thank you.

OkCornel:
I do not agree. Before JW was formed... God has been in the business of revealing Himself to those who seek the TRUTH and not just a select group of people...
God is not biased...

Fine!
So go and worship with them and forget about us, we are searching for those who have been bruised and malnourished due to the ongoing spiritual famine! Amos 8:11 compared to Isaiah 65:13-14
Our Master, Lord and King referred to them as the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matthew 15:24
When they SEE us, they humble themselves to learn NOT argue with us! Titus 3:9 John 10:27
Whoever feels like arguing, the order from him is 'leave him and go to the next fellow' Matthew 10:13-14 The time left now is shorter than ever!

OkCornel:
Thank you.

Did you just notice that?
So that is why we don't discuss deeper things with those who aren't convinced that they've met the REAL Christians! Matthew 7:6 We only make simple presentations that's powerful enough to make them feel our authenticity.
And if our presentation doesn't sound appealing to them, we MOVE AWAY!

OkCornel:
Well... I admire the work JW do in terms of evangelism and spreading the word of God. From time to time I read the awake and watchtower magazine. I have also had cause interact with you guys from time to time BUT...I do not agree with all the doctrines. That is why I question them.

Anyways, the TRUTH would always speak for itself and lies and errors would surely be revealed with the passage of time...

You need not QUESTION THEM!
God won't use more than one single organization at a time, so if JWs aren't the ONE and ONLY group, that group must be somewhere. Therefore DO NOT DELAY, locate them and learn from them what you must do to be saved!
That's the money i can borrow you O!

Maximus69:
That name JESUS is the keyword so Michael is his name as an angel NOT as the ANOINTED Messiah.
That is why there was no record of miracles performed before he was anointed with his NEW NAME!
Our God has orders and his orders must be adhere to STRICTLY, that is why he Got baptised and was anointed as Jesus NOT as Michael!
So whoever is asking for what he bears before coming to be anointed as the Messiah is simply NOT submissive!

What I find funny is this... if truly arch-angel Michael is Jesus;

1) Which of the Apostles had this revelation to document such in the scriptures?
2) Which of the Apostles or early church members heal the sick, raise the dead and cast out demons in the name of Michael? If they are truly one and the same person?

Maximus69:
You need not QUESTION THEM!
God won't use more than one single organization at a time, so if JWs aren't the ONE and ONLY group, that group must be somewhere. Therefore DO NOT DELAY, locate them and learn from them what you must do to be saved!
That's the money i can borrow you O!

I need not question them?

Did the Berean Christians act out of order for studying the scriptures rather than accepting Paul's teachings blindly?

OkCornel:
I need not question them?

Did the Berean Christians act out of order for studying the scriptures rather than accepting Paul's teachings blindly?

You have been studying with us for long Sir, the bereans never took Paul's time more than necessary. So if you're not convinced about us, you supposed to have decided what to do by now! James 4:8

Maximus69:
Did you just notice that?
So that is why we don't discuss deeper things with those who aren't convinced that they've met the REAL Christians! Matthew 7:6 We only make simple presentations that's powerful enough to make them feel our authenticity.
And if our presentation doesn't sound appealing to them, we MOVE AWAY!

I haven't seen where the REAL Christians in the scriptures that had any revelation whatsoever that Jesus and Arch-angel Michael are one and the same person...

Like I mentioned earlier, I really admire the work and efforts of JW. I won't allow my reservations on some of your doctrines blind my eyes to such. But then, let's call a spade a spade and stand for the TRUTH rather than believing all doctrines hook line and sinker just because one wants to feel among and have a sense of worth.

Maximus69:
You have been studying with us for long Sir, the bereans never took Paul's time more than necessary. So if you're not convinced about us, you supposed to have decided what to do by now! James 4:8

It's not about whether I am convinced about you guys or not. Like I mentioned earlier, I really admire the work of JW especially in evangelism and the simple lifestyle of your members...I only have reservations on some of your doctrines.

The deadliest kind of lie is where you have truth and errors/lies mixed together. It takes the Spirit of Truth to identify the lies so as not to be deceived.

The human mind is configured to believe a lie if it is carefully packaged with the truth.

Do you really believe Arch-Angel Michael is the only Arch-angel?
Do you really believe Arch-angel Michael is Jesus because it is the truth or because it is what you were taught? (This is a rhetorical question)

@Maximus69 , please note that I am not attacking you, neither am I disparaging JW.

I believe it is your intention and that of JW to spread the good tidings of the Kingdom of Heaven and work towards its establishment on earth...

I only have my focus on those doctrines that does not align with the scriptures.

God help us all...

OkCornel:
@Maximus69 , please note that I am not attacking you, neither am I disparaging JW.

I believe it is your intention and that of JW to spread the good tidings of the Kingdom of Heaven and work towards its establishment on earth...

I only have my focus on those doctrines that does not align with the scriptures.

God help us all...

It was a discussion on doctrine between two believers and it has been closed right from the moment it was opened for others to participate in the thread.
It is a known fact that the TRUTH always stand alone!
For your information, i served as a military intelligence officer in several countries before finally returning home to start a new life, so i have been to places and seen lots and lots of religious activities the world over!
There is just one organization that has nothing relating to all the others and it's none other than Jehovah's Witnesses. I know many things that seems they got wrongly but the truth is that our minds are still attracted to the traditions and customs of religions that have failed to provide us what we really need. I have heard many complained about their failed prophecies and others are saying 'they're not giving them any signs[Miracles] to support all that they're saying'
But one thing i noticed about Jesus is whenever he talks honesthearted individuals are moved by his comments[John 7:45-46] yet majority finds it had to take all what he is saying simply because of what they thought they've knew before as truth! John 6:60-69
So the same goes with his true followers ever since then, you will hear, see and notice heartwarming facts but instead of sticking to what you're sure you can never find elsewhere you will now start forming allies with those whose minds are totally blind to all that you can SEE with your inner mind!
Well i am a soldier and i perfectly know the danger in delaying when one is supposed to make a quick decision on matters most especially during warfare, so i will not take any chances with this. But if any of you could find any other religious organization having notable commendations like the JWs, Please! Please!! Please !!! Do not hesitate to alert Maximus. God bless you!

Janosky:
I'm a Bible student, all JWs are.

Lying Pharisee and hypocrites

lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ
a bible student studies the bible with the help of the Holy Spirit

you false jw's have sectarian church men teaching you a twisted form of the scriptures
that aligns with their secterian church's satanic doctrines

Emusan:
So the angels you believe have sex with human in Noah's day were given permission by Jehovah


So there was a time when angels don't need permission from Jehovah but can act on their own will

Are you so daft ?

With whose permission did an angel visit Gideon?Judges 6:11-22.
With whose permission did Jesus come to the earth ? John 7:16. 3:16.

When Jehovah sent an angel on any mission, that angel is carrying out Jehovah's will, an expressed order from God Almighty.

** Other wise, it's not Jehovah's will.

Jude 1:6***
"the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but ABANDONED their own homes..."

Angels are free moral agents too. They never sought Jehovah's permission to marry daughters of men. Jehovah FORBIDS it.
Those rebellious angels knows that.

They simply "ABANDONED" their duty post to commit iniquity.

OkCornel:
What I find funny is this... if truly arch-angel Michael is Jesus;

1) Which of the Apostles had this revelation to document such in the scriptures?
2) Which of the Apostles or early church members heal the sick, raise the dead and cast out demons in the name of Michael? If they are truly one and the same person?

Archangel meaning chief of angels or leader of angels

1.. Jesus is leading other angels ,even in battle. It is one and the same battle. Matt 24:30,31. Mark8:38 . 2Thes 1:6-8. 1thes4:16
Acts1:11, Rev1:6,7.
Heb 1:1-6,9,13 His Father exalted Jesus above other angels, his peers (in verse 9).

Q2: True Christians trust and obey with faith like Abraham. But do not go beyond what is written. Gal1:8

"There's no scriptural backing for his apostles to perform miracles or pray in the name of Michael.
2John1:9.

Janosky:
Archangel meaning chief of angels or leader of angels

1.. Jesus is leading other angels ,even in battle. It is one and the same battle. Matt 24:30,31. Mark8:38 . 2Thes 1:6-8. 1thes4:16
Acts1:11, Rev1:6,7.
Heb 1:1-6,9,13 His Father exalted Jesus above other angels, his peers (in verse 9).

Q2: True Christians trust and obey with faith like Abraham. But do not go beyond what is written. Gal1:8

"There's no scriptural backing for his apostles to perform miracles or pray in the name of Michael.
2John1:9.

cannot tell the truth lying pharisee Janosky/OneJ
hebrews 1 is clearly about Jesus not being a angel

concerning verse 9, verse 9 doesn't say "Father exalted Jesus above other angels", oh liar liar

Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.





Jesus fellows that he fellowshipped with is His apostles not angels, oh duh




Heb 2:16  For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

^^^ angels are not His fellows, but the seed of abraham-believing humans are


Jesus is God:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 

Jesus fellows can only be God(Father) who He is one with and christians who are one in Him

since Jesus is both man and God He cannot be a fellow angel, oh duh duh lying twister of God's word

Maximus69:
It was a discussion on doctrine between two believers and it has been closed right from the moment it was opened for others to participate in the thread.
It is a known fact that the TRUTH always stand alone!
For your information, i served as a military intelligence officer in several countries before finally returning home to start a new life, so i have been to places and seen lots and lots of religious activities the world over!
There is just one organization that has nothing relating to all the others and it's none other than Jehovah's Witnesses. I know many things that seems they got wrongly but the truth is that our minds are still attracted to the traditions and customs of religions that have failed to provide us what we really need. I have heard many complained about their failed prophecies and others are saying 'they're not giving them any signs[Miracles] to support all that they're saying'
But one thing i noticed about Jesus is whenever he talks honesthearted individuals are moved by his comments[John 7:45-46] yet majority finds it had to take all what he is saying simply because of what they thought they've knew before as truth! John 6:60-69
So the same goes with his true followers ever since then, you will hear, see and notice heartwarming facts but instead of sticking to what you're sure you can never find elsewhere you will now start forming allies with those whose minds are totally blind to all that you can SEE with your inner mind!
Well i am a soldier and i perfectly know the danger in delaying when one is supposed to make a quick decision on matters most especially during warfare, so i will not take any chances with this. But if any of you could find any other religious organization having notable commendations like the JWs, Please! Please!! Please !!! Do not hesitate to alert Maximus. God bless you!

God bless you too!


On a side note, depression and hopelessness has been on the increase in Nigeria, a lot of people are becoming faint hearted. Suicide is on the increase...


What is JW doing to counsel people out of depression and suicidal thoughts?

This is an area of need I think true believers should be concerned about...

I'll appreciate you reply with testimonies as well.

OkCornel:
God bless you too!
On a side note, depression and hopelessness has been on the increase in Nigeria, a lot of people are becoming faint hearted. Suicide is on the increase...
What is JW doing to counsel people out of depression and suicidal thoughts?
This is an area of need I think true believers should be concerned about...
I'll appreciate you reply with testimonies as well.

There is NOTHING you should be expecting from true Christians now other than 'the good news of God's Kingdom'
I'm baffled when someone who can read the Bible on his own and could say 'Jehovah's Witnesses are doing great in the evangelism' now asking this type of question! Read what Jesus himself said about our time @ Matthew 24:3-14 note that ONLY those who endured to the end WILL BE SAVED! verse 13
So what was Jesus saying his true followers should exert themselves to ENDURE?
It's like you need to know the situation back in Israel before Jesus arrived. Many Nations have enslaved, maltreated, bruised and even tortured them before the Roman domination, during the time Jesus arrived they were EXPECTING quick action from him perhaps to strike down the Roman government and started ruling the whole earth just as the scriptures foretold about the Messiah! Psalm 110:1, Daniel 2:44
Even his faithful and loyal followers aren't left out in this misconception! Act 1:6-9
Today what are TRUE Christians doing?
Well don't forget that their message is 'God's Kingdom' not focusing on the problem of those living in any part of the earth but the permanent solution throughout the globe! Whoever is so concerned about his own people as if they're more important than those living in any other part of the earth is NOT a Christian! It is the same message of HOPE for all!
That is the emphasis of the term 'Good News', it tells about how the world's problem began and how it will be solved PERMANENTLY!
So Jehovah's Witnesses aren't going about deceiving people with magic as if there is any temporary solution to the problem on ground Sir, our work is to give hope to those who cares to know if there is going to be a solution. There is NO pain any Nigerian could be experiencing presently that surpasses that of Jesus and the two thieves beside him on the torture stake!
Note what one was demanding
¤do something with your power and save yourself and we too!
Note what the second one said
¤Jesus remember me when you begin ruling the earth!
Both of them BELIEVE in Jesus o, but one is ready to wait for God's kingdom and willing to start taking orders from the promised king! Just because of his outstanding faith, Jesus promised him immediately 'i am telling you today, you will be with me in Paradise' Luke 23:42-43
They both died that very day and don't think any of them even Jesus went anywhere as misinformed religions are saying, and that thief will NEVER see Jesus again! But he will be resurrected here on earth as an UNRIGHTEOUS person and have the opportunity to know all what Jesus commanded us to keep observing from Christians! Whoever have seen Jesus need not ask 'where is Jehovah?' the same is applicable whoever have seen true Christians need not ask 'where is Jesus?' because whatever you wish to know about Jehovah could be clearly seen in Jesus' activities [ John 14:8-10] and whatever you wish to know about Jesus could be clearly seen in the activities of his TRUE followers! Act 1:8