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@ OkCornel
Testimonies!
Well, do not expect the deceptive falsehood Satan is parading up and down to keep people in spiritual darkness amongst TRUE Christians!
We sure do have fine testimonies. It is about how many who have become so hopeless to the point of giving up everything including their lives now have hope! Such people now keep the world's problems in a corner and start going to preach and teach others to have hope.
This may surprise you, but come to think of it. How can you reach the heart of honesthearted and sincere individuals if there is no one in your midst that's experiencing the same problem he is facing?
For instance, amongst us there are Billionears, average men and wretched paupers as well, for what purpose?
Well it is to show that no matter how rich a person is, he can still become submissive to our Master, Lord and King. Matthew 19:16-24
And no matter how poor a person is he can also practice pure worship acceptably! Mark 14:7
The early Christians committed a great blunder AFTER RECEIVING THE HOLY SPIRIT!
They wanted to eradicate poverty in their midst since there are enough wealthy Christians to balance up, they thought they can make all Christians live averagely since that is what the Good news pictured in the coming Paradise [Isaiah 65:21-23] so why can't they start practicing such now? Act 2:45
But they later learnt a bitter lesson when a Christian couple was killed by God's holy spirit for hypocrisy! Act 5:1-11
Note that God's holy spirit never corrected them not to engage in it but allowed them to learn from their own mistakes since the Apostles are the ones taking the lead but these Apostles have forgotten what Jesus said 'you will ALWAYS have poor ones in your midst' Mark 14:7
Today most of you kept contemplating on the mistakes of those leading the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses globally so you're doubting if God is truly using them. So remember what you're reading today, if the first century Christians also made mistakes in organizational directions why are you expecting that those taking the lead in God's arrangement to be perfect today?
Jesus said NO SIGN will be given you except the sign of Jonah! Matthew 12:39:16:4
Well all i know about Jonah is that as a prophet he made mistakes, performed no signs and his prophecies of doom regarding Nineveh never came until much later AFTER JONAH AND MOST OF HIS CONTEMPORARIES HAVE DIED!
So stop doubting the JWs now, move into action and if you're surely convinced that they can't be God's organization, search for the group doing God's will today and join them fast, the time left is shorter as in SHORTER than ever now!
God bless you!

Maximus69:
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I'm baffled when someone who can read the Bible on his own and could say 'Jehovah's Witnesses are doing great in the evangelism' now asking this type of question! Read what Jesus himself said about our time @ Matthew 24:3-14 note that ONLY those who endured to the end WILL BE SAVED! verse 13
So what was Jesus saying his true followers should exert themselves to ENDURE?

I don't think the sly dig you made here is necessary.


Now let's face the reality on ground. Depression is real (and I believe JW members are not exempted as well). There are cases of believers (perhaps self professed believers) committing suicide...


My humble question is this, what is JW doing to counsel affected people out of depression? What are testimonies?

That's what I asked? Or do you only advise they endure?


I believe my questions are straight forward.

Rev 1:11  Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last

Jesus is the Alpha-the first, and the Omega-the last

we know that Jesus has no end, so the Omega-the last means without end
and that being the case the Alpha-the first means without beginning

OkCornel:
I don't think the sly dig you made here is necessary.
Now let's face the reality on ground. Depression is real (and I believe JW members are not exempted as well). There are cases of believers (perhaps self professed believers) committing suicide...
My humble question is this, what is JW doing to counsel affected people out of depression? What are testimonies?
That's what I asked? Or do you only advise they endure?
I believe my questions are straight forward.

That is the point i've been trying to emphasise ever since you start asking!
So here is the answer:
You can't see anything until you JOIN the organization with FAITH, that is when you'll be helped by God's holy spirit to SEE the signs you're seeking!
Most of those who ACCIDENTALLY were born, brought~up or married into the group WITHOUT pure hearts will also be affected by Satan's WEAPONS!
What are Satan's weapons?
¤Hardship!
¤Loss of loved ones in death!
¤Temptations of materialism!
¤Lust!
¤Racism
So if you're not following the organization with faith, any of these weapons will gradually kill the love you had for the truth and render you inactive or completely leave the organization!
Jesus had twelve Apostles who are the most tested and trusted out of numerous disciples,
*Judas Iscariot faced Materialism!
*Peter faced Racism!
*Paul face Hardship!
But what helped Paul and Peter? THEY ENDURED after falling for the weapons, they NEVER gave up like Judas!
Can you tell me any of these three mentioned haven't performed MIRACLES?
So it is nothing but attending meetings regularly and concentration during meetings of TRUE Christians that can help you to endure whatever weapon Satan is designing to make you fall away from the faith! Hebrew 10:24-25

Janosky:
Are you so daft ?

With whose permission did an angel visit Gideon?Judges 6:11-22.
With whose permission did Jesus come to the earth ? John 7:16. 3:16.

When Jehovah sent an angel on any mission, that angel is carrying out Jehovah's will, an expressed order from God Almighty.

** Other wise, it's not Jehovah's will.

Jude 1:6***
"the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but ABANDONED their own homes..."

Angels are free moral agents too. They never sought Jehovah's permission to marry daughters of men. Jehovah FORBIDS it.
Those rebellious angels knows that.

They simply "ABANDONED" their duty post to commit iniquity.

If not because you're so dull, you wouldn't have responded so silly.

Your lack of simple comprehension always makes you comment quickly and it only exposes your stupidity.

Barristter07:
Good morning , Just coming online, quite busy


Flesh means human, and we quite understand what an human born is human being.


Explain the bolded ?

Are you a Spirit being presently ?

The spirit beings like God and his Angels live where ?

To be born of the spirit mean to means to carry the life of God.
I m a spirit presently but only in human flesh

This present earth is not the everlasting home of all those born of the Spirit that is why Jesus all those born of God will be where Jesus is.

johnw47:
Rev 1:11  Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last

Jesus is the Alpha-the first, and the Omega-the last

we know that Jesus has no end, so the Omega-the last means without end
and that being the case the Alpha-the first means without beginning

Thank you very much!

JW members, what's your view on this? This invalidates the claims Jesus was created...and that he and Arch-angel Michael are one and same.


Anyways...I'm outta here...

Cheers to all of you...

OkCornel:
Thank you very much!

JW members, what's your view on this? This invalidates the claims Jesus was created...and that he and Arch-angel Michael are one and same.


Anyways...I'm outta here...

Cheers to all of you...

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There is no need for any further VIEWING Sir!
Whoever have gotten the RIGHT interpretation through God's holy spirit need not continue arguing on THEORIES! Philippians 2:14, Colossians 2:4, 1Timothy 6:4, Titus 3:9
Just GET TO WORK so that sincere and honesthearted observers can SEE the FRUIT of God's holy spirit in the LIFE and MINISTRY of those who agreed to swallow and digested your interpretation! Matthew 7:15-20, James 2:18-26, Galatians 5:22-23
The only surprising and baffling part of this issue is that ONLY Jehovah's Witnesses Organization is standing tall above all their religious groups. Isaiah 2:1, Matthew 5:14-16
None of all these critics can vouch for his/her religious group to present it for thorough observation unlike JWs whose light shines throughout the earth as the ONE and ONLY Organization everyone can SEE to either set high standards or criticise. Instead they are all NONE~DENOMINATIONISTS meaning 'none of us can stand in behalf his group'
We are Jehovah's Witnesses!
If you're not ready to worship the way we do, you can NEVER worship our own God ACCEPTABLY! So you can conclude on whatever you feel about us.

Maximus69:
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There is no need for any further VIEWING Sir!
Whoever have gotten the RIGHT interpretation through God's holy spirit need not continue arguing on THEORIES! Philippians 2:14, Colossians 2:4, 1Timothy 6:4, Titus 3:9
Just GET TO WORK so that sincere and honesthearted observers can SEE the FRUIT of God's holy spirit in the LIFE and MINISTRY of those who agreed to swallow and digested your interpretation! Matthew 7:15-20, James 2:18-26, Galatians 5:22-23
The only surprising and baffling part of this issue is that ONLY Jehovah's Witnesses Organization is standing tall above all their religious groups. Isaiah 2:1, Matthew 5:14-16
None of all these critics can vouch for his/her religious group to present it for thorough observation unlike JWs whose light shines throughout the earth as the ONE and ONLY Organization everyone can SEE to either set high standards or criticise. Instead they are all NONE~DENOMINATIONISTS meaning 'none of us can stand in behalf his group'
We are Jehovah's Witnesses!
If you're not ready to worship the way we do, you can NEVER worship our own God ACCEPTABLY! So you can conclude on whatever you feel about us.

God is no one's property... cheers.

The Spirit of God is not limited to particular sect;

Proverbs 20 v 27 (Geneva 1599 version);
The light of the Lord is the breath of man, and searcheth all the bowels of the belly.

Proverbs 20 v 27 (King James Version);
The spirit of man is the candle of the Lord, searching all the inward parts of the belly

Job 32 v 8 (King James Version);
But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

Job 32 v 8 (Geneva 1599 version)
Surely there is a spirit in man, but the inspiration of the Almighty giveth understanding.


A man led by the spirit will surely find God and would be well instructed on how to communicate with the Creator. A man led by the spirit can never be wrong.


Don't turn this into an "us versus them" matter. The Eternal One knows those that worship Him in spirit and truth...

Maximus69:
Brother, i gave you a clue that day, but you weren't attentive enough Sir!
If i wasn't a Muslim i couldn't have served in Qatar. It was there that i learnt Islam is not uniting people as we were taught from teens! So when i realised that Politics and Racism is stronger the all what we're learning in Islam, i started on the lookout for the religion where there is TRUE Love amongst the worshipers, then we were taken to India where some prominent politicians were using religion to divide the people. There i met Jehovah's Witnesses and noticed for the first time a religion that's strong enough to bury politics and racism, rendering both useless in their midst.
So when i came back home and saw them, i didn't recognise them at first because i wasn't in a good mood that day, but they later came back and i saw the Awake with them, that is when i remembered their strong bond back in India. So i asked the man [now my Christian brother] if they're the same with those i saw in India and he said 'throughout the earth!'
At first i said secretly in my mind 'that is impossible' but today i know that it is undoubtedly possible with God's holy spirit!
Your baron will be chilled with lobster as you preferred!

Nar nar nar nar!
I'll prefer "Kilishi" as in that dry meat, i really enjoyed it much more than the lobster that day!

OkCornel:
God is no one's property... cheers.

The Spirit of God is not limited to particular sect;

Proverbs 20 v 27 (Geneva 1599 version);
The light of the Lord is the breath of man, and searcheth all the bowels of the belly.

Proverbs 20 v 27 (King James Version);
The spirit of man is the candle of the Lord, searching all the inward parts of the belly

Job 32 v 8 (King James Version);
But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

Job 32 v 8 (Geneva 1599 version)
Surely there is a spirit in man, but the inspiration of the Almighty giveth understanding.


A man led by the spirit will surely find God and would be well instructed on how to communicate with the Creator. A man led by the spirit can never be wrong.


Don't turn this into an "us versus them" matter. The Eternal One knows those that worship Him in spirit and truth...

We are not saying 'you people aren't worshiping God' Of course you are all worshipers of God!
But as for our God as in our own God, nobody can worship him acceptably if not with us! 1 Corinthians 8:5
That is the ONLY reason why we are Jehovah's Witnesses and it's what distinguished us from all other religions!

TATIME:
Nar nar nar nar!
I'll prefer "Kilishi" as in that dry meat, i really enjoyed it much more than the lobster that day!

Hmmm,
Noted!

Maximus69:
We are not saying 'you people aren't worshiping God' Of course you are all worshipers of God!
But as for our God as in our own God, nobody can worship him acceptably if not with us! 1 Corinthians 8:5
That is the ONLY reason why we are Jehovah's Witnesses and it's what distinguished us from all other religions!

Meaning only JW worships God acceptably?

shadeyinka:
You accuse me of quoting verses of God's word: That is where I take my authority not from some organisation who claim to know God for me!

Even though this post didn't refer to you, one of you just told me now that the FIRE in "Hell Fire" was an insertion. I have just blown him away with a proved response. Are the posted images lies?

See how you are arguing like only atheists do!?

Just wait

1Pet 3:18-20:
"For Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison ; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

1Pet 4:5-6:
"Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.


Hell is a place and abode for ungodly souls!

To show why your inference is wrong
Since you assert the prison mentioned is HELL , Nroda , Do you know that those who died in the sea in Noah's day are not in hell ?
Read revelation 20:13 are those in the sea said to be in hell ?

Emusan:
Hypocrite!

Read my post again, were you be able to differentiate between when scripture spoke about Jesus preincarnation and postincarnation?

Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON

How was He begotten?

Emusan Lolzz , oh this go make sense die!
I ask again:
Before coming to earth , is Jesus a son ?

shadeyinka:
I have told you: because he was BORN
Isa 9:6-7:
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given : and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, on the throne of David, and on his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from now on even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."

Before coming to earth , is he a son ?

OkCornel:
God bless you too!


On a side note, depression and hopelessness has been on the increase in Nigeria, a lot of people are becoming faint hearted. Suicide is on the increase...


What is JW doing to counsel people out of depression and suicidal thoughts?

This is an area of need I think true believers should be concerned about...

I'll appreciate you reply with testimonies as well.

Good question Sir , have you seen the way many of our publications address depression ?

Am glad to tell you that the present publication offered to our householders address this same issue

CAPTIVATOR:
Good question Sir , have you seen the way many of our publications address depression ?

Am glad to tell you that the present publication offered to our householders address this same issue

Great! I'll check it out at your site then...and also get a hard copy.

I think the topic is something like "Is life worth living?"... saw it yesterday around Ikeja or so...

solite3:
To be born of the spirit mean to means to carry the life of God.
I m a spirit presently but only in human flesh

This present earth is not the everlasting home of all those born of the Spirit that is why Jesus all those born of God will be where Jesus is.

Jesus said what is born of spirit is Spirit ! Stop twisting it .

If what is born of flesh is flesh is gotten by you as meaning f human born human, why don't you admit been born of spirit make one become a Spirit like God.

Okay, let me ask if what is born if spirit is spirit and you are a spirit presently, does that not mean Every human being on earth is a born again ?

OkCornel:
Great! I'll check it out at your site then...and also get a hard copy.

I think the topic is something like "Is life worth living?"... saw it yesterday around Ikeja or so...

Exactly . wow

In fact the website offer more publication on the subject . how to cope with depression , suicide thoughts etc .. Especially the awakes

OkCornel:
Thank you very much!

JW members, what's your view on this? This invalidates the claims Jesus was created...and that he and Arch-angel Michael are one and same.


Anyways...I'm outta here...

Cheers to all of you...

You think that way because Father and son were both addressed as alpha and omega , but two people using same title doesn't mean they have equal authority . just like Jesus and his disciples called " Apostle " . yeah Jesus was called an apostle too . but we know the authority isn't the same.

Jesus was created, that's why he is called " Son of God "

CAPTIVATOR:
You think that way because Father and son were both addressed as alpha and omega , but two people using same title doesn't mean they have equal authority . just like Jesus and his disciples called " Apostle " . yeah Jesus was called an apostle too . but we know the authority isn't the same.

Jesus was created, that's why he is called " Son of God "

I don't want to drag words on this matter any longer.

Perhaps, another sect might come out to also claim the Holy Spirit was created...and is nothing more than energy, essence and force...

shadeyinka:
The reference to this text is about insertion of words in the original Hebrew or Greek text. Would Jehovah's witness Hebrew or Greek Bible contain insertions (to the original text)?

Very poor analysis
Every English translator supply words not in the original text to make it readable and understandable. The NWT other is justified because Jesus was created . Revelation 3:14

Jozzy4:
Before coming to earth , is he a son ?

What could this mean?

Psalms 110 v 1-4;
1 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

2 The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

4 The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

CAPTIVATOR:
Very poor analysis
Every English translator supply words not in the original text to make it readable and understandable. The NWT other is justified because Jesus was created . Revelation 3:14

We were talking about the Hebrew and the Greek Jehovah's witness bible translations and the question was: Does JW Organisation also insert Hebrew or Greek words to make the bible complete?

Jozzy4:
Before coming to earth , is he a son ?

Is this not Prophetic?

OkCornel:
Meaning only JW worships God acceptably?

Well he said 'you will know the TRUTH and the TRUTH will set you free' John 8:32
You will NEVER give a bleep if Buddhists or Hindus or Muslims says what JWs are saying, would you?
Despite all the accusations levelled against us, we even printed our own Bible separately and many of you are saying we're worshiping our Governing Body, yet you're still trying to clinch to us as worshipers of the same God!
My friend, STOP DECEIVING YOURSELF!
Jesus said exactly the same thing[John 3:16-18] that is why all those former rival religious groups decided to conspire against him and his followers who keeps repeating what he said! Act 23:6-8
You and your folks AREN'T WORSHIPING OUR OWN GOD!

Maximus69:
Well he said 'you will know the TRUTH and the TRUTH will set you free' John 8:32
You will NEVER give a bleep if Buddhists or Hindus or Muslims says what JWs are saying, would you?
Despite all the accusations levelled against us, we even printed our own Bible separately and many of you are saying we're worshiping our Governing Body, yet you're still trying to clinch to us as worshipers of the same God!
My friend, STOP DECEIVING YOURSELF!
Jesus said exactly the same thing[John 3:16-18] that is why all those former rival religious groups decided to conspire against him and his followers who keeps repeating what he said! Act 23:6-8
You and your folks AREN'T WORSHIPING OUR OWN GOD!

Stop deceiving myself?

Me and my folks are not worshipping God?


Wait a minute, only JW members are spirit filled and worships the Eternal One?


Someone is playing the "us versus them" card again...

OkCornel:
Stop deceiving myself?
Me and my folks are not worshipping God?
Wait a minute, only JW members are spirit filled and worships the Eternal One?
Someone is playing the "us versus them" card again...

You are the one prolonging this Sir!
If we are not getting things right.
If we have manipulated issues.
If we are preaching heresy.
If we are misinterpreting the Bible.
Definitely we couldn't have been worshiping the same God with your folks who knew all of these!
Certainly then we're on the wrong. So why aren't your mind cleared regarding our case like that of Jesus who simply said of the Pharisees 'you are of your father the devil!' ? John 8:44
Must you worship the same God with everyone,despite all these disputes regarding doctrines?
Please you and your folks are surely worshiping God, but obviously there is this unimaginable gap between our God and your God!

CAPTIVATOR:
Jesus said what is born of spirit is Spirit ! Stop twisting it .

If what is born of flesh is flesh is gotten by you as meaning f human born human, why don't you admit been born of spirit make one become a Spirit like God.

Okay, let me ask if what is born if spirit is spirit and you are a spirit presently, does that not mean Every human being on earth is a born again ?

Jesus was speaking about natural birth and spiritual birth.
humans are flesh but when one is born of the spirit he becomes spirit in the sense that he is not subject to the prediction and laws of the natural man.

being a spirit does not mean to be God but when one is born of spirit he becomes spiritual ( having a new image).

OkCornel:
Stop deceiving myself?
Me and my folks are not worshipping God?
Wait a minute, only JW members are spirit filled and worships the Eternal One?
Someone is playing the "us versus them" card again...

Walahi Talahi you're the most pitiable nuisance ever on this planet!
How can you be worried simply because someone { labelled as CULTIST by all your folks} say "your God and our God differs'?
Are you also a cultist according to the accusation of your friends who are labelling JWs as 'CULT'?
All your friend are saying JWs are worshiping their GB, so are you also a worshiper of the GB?
It is as simple as ABC, you can't be here and at the same time be there. You must either agree with your folks and stand clear from JWs or confront your folks that JWs are saying the truth.
Hellooooooooo there is no third option as in SITTING ON THE FENCE!
So STOP DECEIVING YOUR OWN SOUL!