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shadeyinka:
1. The Rich Man's Physical body was in the grave
Luk 16:22:
"And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;"
BUT

You omit the fact that Lazarus wasn't buried ?

Your point is baseless. He was carried bodily by angels.

So the point still stands that if hell exist, physical body should go there

The Rich mans Spiritual Body was in Hell
Luk 16:23:

No one has a spiritual body NOW!!! Until ressurection

This is what I called lies, but you will say its insult.

Read 1 Corinthian 15:44

" it is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body "

Has the ressurection occur ?

" What is spiritual is not first, what is physical is first, AFTERWARD what is spiritual " 1 Cor 15:46

Has the ressurection occur.

the spiritual body idea is dead on arrival

"And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and sees Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."

2. What is tongue and water doing in hell?
The physical is just a copy of what exists in the spiritual

Rev 20:1: "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand."

Rev 20:11: "And I saw a great white throne , and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them."

Rev 21:10-13
: "And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, Having the glory of God: and her light was like to a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates."


Rev 22:1-2:
"And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the middle of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life , which bore twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations."

Here are some highlights of things that are supposed to be found exclusively on earth.

This doesn't relate
The man doesn't have a spiritual body yet, nothing like spiritual.

He Has a tongue. A tongue is flesh . and a spirit doesn't have flesh !!

Deal with it.

CAPTIVATOR:
Shhhhh , sea release the dead means what ? You said physically dead bodies. That means dead in this case is opposite of life.

So with regard to Rev 20:13, what are the " dead " in hell ?

From this point on, I refuse to answer your questions unless you first answer mine AND then ask your questions if you have any!

CAPTIVATOR:
You are the first to quote Matthew 10:28 and rich man story . Justify yourself



It mentions BODY parts , do you agree body goes to hell ?

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solite3:
God is Spirit and God is a Spirit can be correct but saying the word was a god is totally wrong.

He that is born of the spirit is spirit not is a spirit.

@ 7:44am you wrote.

Solite3

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


God is a Spirit not God is Spirit.

You clearly have no idea what you are saying .

CAPTIVATOR:
Who insults you ?

Liar is not an insult ... Unless you didn't lie

Okay sorry. Questions still stands

Matt 10:28 is a statement with biblical justification . needs to be solved

Hehehehe he was the first to quote Matthew 10:28 but couldn't stand the scrutiny

shadeyinka:
Since your understanding is beclouded, let me ask you a practical question


On February 1, 2003, the Space Shuttle Columbia disintegrated upon reentering Earth's atmosphere, killing all seven crew members. The disaster was the second fatal accident in the Space Shuttle program, after Challenger, which broke apart and killed the seven-member crew 73 seconds after liftoff in 1986.

The Question:
If during a space exploration to Mars, an astronaut who doesn't know God dies deep in space,

1. Would he be part of the resurrection of the dead?
2. Since he doesn't know God, would he experience the second death?

Above for your kind consideration!

Hades at Revelation 20:13 refer to mankind grave. So that's not a problem to answer, the person is in Hades/Hell/Grave

Have in my earlier post before this explain why Hell is Grave. But concerning the below, A different Greek word appears but since Your translation still choose " Hell " . U need to respond to whatever question it raised.

shadeyinka:
Mat 5:22:
"But I say to you, That whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire . "

Mat 18:9:
"And if your eye offend you, pluck it out, and cast it from you: it is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire ."

This verses never teach an immaterial spirit

Reference to Human two eyes . Good

Do you accept human eyes go to this hell fire ?

Mar 9:45:
"And if your foot offend you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:"


Please from the Scriptures above, justify that hell is just a mere grave!??

Another reference to human two feet , do you agree the human feet go to this hell fire ?

CAPTIVATOR:
cc: Barristter07




He simply said Jesus mention hell NOT lake of fire. So don't twist lake of fire into Matthew 10:28, what he said was Hell

And when you quote rich man and Lazarus, the story mention Hell buy we found that the man has his physical body intact.

He even has a Tongue to taste water. Physical body
Which thrash your submission that ordinary soul go to hell

Think man

Thank you, he is saying there are two hell. Shadeyinka philosophy

shadeyinka:
Instead of responding logical and intelligently, you are busy ranting up and down like atheists on Nairaland!

Your argument was that since eyes, tongue and body was mentioned with respect to the rich man, then Jesus couldn't have been talking about hell but the lake of fire! Unfortunately, if I have assented to the fact that it is the lake of fire,you would have come against me by justifying that Jesus was simply stating a parable!

Now that you where cornered, you feign "old post syndrome"!

I never said the above. My point was hell appeared in those texts NOT lake of fire, don't do any 419 . And since Jesus himself said the physical body goes to hell ( Not lake of fire ) , do you agree ?

Matthew 5:29 whole body in hell .

Please respond to the argument at hand!
Were you justified to say that the rich man had a body and hence couldn't have been in Hell?

The rich man has a body . is it physical or spiritual ?

CAPTIVATOR:
You omit the fact that Lazarus wasn't buried ?

Your point is baseless. He was carried bodily by angels.

So the point still stands that if hell exist, physical body should go there



No one has a spiritual body NOW!!! Until ressurection

This is what I called lies, but you will say its insult.

Read 1 Corinthian 15:44

" it is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body "

Has the ressurection occur ?

" What is spiritual is not first, what is physical is first, AFTERWARD what is spiritual " 1 Cor 15:46

Has the ressurection occur.

the spiritual body idea is dead on arrival


This doesn't relate
The man doesn't have a spiritual body yet, nothing like spiritual.

He Has a tongue. A tongue is flesh . and a spirit doesn't have flesh !!

Deal with it.

Hahahaha did Shadeyinka said the man has spiritual body ?

CAPTIVATOR:
Read the above verses from NWT or other translation that didn't use the word hell . Then you will wake up from your delusion.

Hell is Grave . compare the below and be enlightened

NLT


" The sea gave up its dead, and death and the grave gave up their dead. "

"
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: " KJB

" The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and Death and the Grave gave up the dead that were in them " CEB



Hell=Grave.

I actually asked you since you think Hell at Rev 20:13 is fire, How can Hell release Dead Souls ? Are those in hell not said to possess physical bodes too ?

Please note the Word Pyrus=Fire in the Greek and tell me how it disappeared from your own translation

Mt5:23
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/5.htm

Mt18:9
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/18.htm

Mk9:45
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/mark/9.htm

Thank you. I didn't forget I said I wouldn't reply you until you answer my own questions. If you want the truth, the Greek Scripture is available online.

shadeyinka:
Please note the Word Pyrus=Fire in the Greek and tell me how it disappeared from your own translation

Mt5:23
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/5.htm

Mt18:9
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/18.htm

Mk9:45
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/mark/9.htm

Thank you. I didn't forget I said I wouldn't reply you until you answer my own questions. If you want the truth, the Greek Scripture is available online.

Check the interlinear of Revelation 20:13 , a different Greek word appears but you have been thoroughly deceived since all were translated hell

OkCornel:
These are the words of Jesus in Matthew 18 v 19-20;

19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.




Jesus says where 2 or 3 are gathered IN HIS NAME, He is in their midst.

Does this verse only apply to JW members or everyone who gathers in the name of Jesus?

You need to know the meaning and significance of SPECIAL NAMES given in the Bible as a means of attaining divine approval!
The name JESUS significantly stands for four motives
¤Counselling that's outstandingly effective! Counselor
¤Ability to do the impossible! Mighty God
¤Fatherly responsibility on children! Eternal Father
¤Peace permeating all worshipers! Prince of Peace
Isaiah 9:6
1~There must be effective counseling in their meetings to drop those who aren't willing to accept it behind for progress!
2~They must be able to do the impossibles like making all comply with Jesus' command for their salvation!
3~Their teachings must be evident in all the members so that all observers will know they have ONE principled FATHER!
4~There must be PEACE amongst worshiper to eradicate causes of hatred and wars like POLITICS and RACISM!
So if you find TWO,THREE or more people gathered in the name of Jesus, but they are not WORKING in line with this motives, please avoid their gathering[Psalms 1:1-2] Because their gathering is the handiwork of SATAN to mock Jesus' NAME! Matthew 7:21-23, 15:7-9, 2Timothy 3:5, Revelations 16:13-14

shadeyinka:
I wonder if you know your bible beyond what the JW organisation showed you?

I wonder how you can even dream it fit to link up those who died in the sea with those who died in Noah's flood !!!? And you find it interesting!!!!!

Rev 20:13-15:
"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

1. This is resurection of the dead!
2. The sea giving up the dead in it means "even the physical bodies(dead) drowned or buried at sea were released.
3. Death and Hell giving delivered up their dead means the imprisoned Soul/Spirit were released.


The Scripture is saying however the way a person dies, he would be resurrected! Do you have an objection to this?


For the scripture did not speak about those who died in an inferno that burnt them into vapour?

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@ highlighted , are the souls living or dead ... ? U clearly saw that what was released is dead . don't you ?

Once this is solved, you will realize your interpretation is a forgery. Those in the flood of Noah's day cannot be in hell. They are in the sea

shadeyinka:
Did I not tell you that Jesus did not distinguish between Hell and Lake of Fire!. If He did, let us know?

So, the question is, anytime Jesus spoke about hell, was He speaking about
Hell= Abode of the Disobedient Souls
OR
Hell= Lake of Fire

Secondly, your understanding of the Spiritual is pathetic!
Your conclusion is the fact that since the Rich Man and Lazarus and Father Abraham were spirits beings they couldn't have had eyes, hands, and feeling . Ask yourself if you are making sense to even yourself?

The 144,000 of your people who will go to heaven as spirit beings: would they have hands, eyes etc?

Rev 14:3:
"And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth."
With what do people sing?

God is a spirit isn't it?
YET!
1Pet 3:12:
"For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open to their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil."

What an argument?



I have answered this question of yours:
In Hell ¹ (place of the evil souls) = Soul/Spirit of Man
In Hell (Lake of Fire) ² = Body/Soul/ Spirit of Man

I numbered the last line. Going by the above

There are how many hell ?

Someone will soon produce a two hell theory

@Barristter07 @CAPTIVTOR

My Conclusion:
It had been a waste of time conversing with you both because you neither read nor reason with the Scriptures.

One day, you both shall step out of your body and you'll wish you had looked closely at what the Scriptures really teach about Resurection of the dead and Salvation.

And by the grace of God, I am free of your blood as I have shown you Scriptures upon Scriptures with reasonings to back them up.

Except a man is Born Again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

If God isn't the God of the dead but of the living, when you die, you are simply not His as you have desired. You are banking on good works to save you when you die and discover that Hell is real. Continue! Your believe will set you free if it can!

Till another thread if you can only converse reasonably!

Wow, the Jehovah wickedness are here, I'm awed. They said you guys are not interested in being born again or going to heaven. That's awesome. Is it true?

Oops i came late. i just read the OP state that you are a waste of time, that's disappointing. Okay, bye.

shadeyinka:
You had corrected him and that's where I'll want it to lie.

I thought the thread was closed until he came up until CAPTIVATOR and Barristter07 came up with insulting words like LIE, LIAR and insisting on statements without any biblical justifications. I didn't find them different from when you engage atheists on NL threads.

You know me: if they behave, it can be a discussion!
Thanks again (because I saw you had called one of them to order)

NOOOOOOOO!
They're all my bosses in the truth!
Baptised Witnesses they are, meaning bonafide members of the organization unlike me who is yet to be baptised as one of Jehovah's Witnesses! So they all knew whatever i am typing, because it is what we've all learnt from our source of divine guidance.
We're all just acting on PERSONAL feelings to refute false allegations levelled against the one and only TRUE congregation of Christ. Don't be surprised that by next month i may decide NOT to engage anyone again on religious issues on social media AFTER MY BAPTISM as i'm seeing the practical applications as in the reason for the order of the GB myself!
If we are to go by the instruction given to us by our GB, none of us will type a word in response to whatever people say against us on social media. We're NOT to engage unbelievers{none Witnesses} in religious arguments, the admonition from our GB is just to make simple and short presentations in order to draw the attention of LOST SHEEP to the fold! If we sense any sign of argumentative spirit, we're to leave peacefully and switch to the next person!
Believe me, what we are all doing here is NOT in line with the instructions from our leaders{GB}, that is why i've been trying to boycott the argument by saying GET TO WORK! That phrase is not just to you and your folks but to Witnesses as well, because the instruction from Jesus, the Apostles and our GB is 'if your audience don't find your presentation appealing, LEAVE IN PEACE!

Barristter07:
@ 7:44am you wrote.



You clearly have no idea what you are saying .

I read from the kjv and it says God is a Spirit not God is Spirit which from is more clear.

There is something called contextual meaning, such that if removing or adding a word to a statement or sentence changes its overall meaning automatically.

Please book mark this because you are going to need latter

So my statement remain intact
John 3 said he that is born of the spirit is spirit not a spirit or will be spirit.

shadeyinka:
@Barristter07 @CAPTIVTOR

My Conclusion:
It had been a waste of time conversing with you both because you neither read nor reason with the Scriptures.
One day, you both shall step out of your body and you'll wish you had looked closely at what the Scriptures really teach about Resurection of the dead and Salvation.
And by the grace of God, I am free of your blood as I have shown you Scriptures upon Scriptures with reasonings to back them up.
Except a man is Born Again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
If God isn't the God of the dead but of the living, when you die, you are simply not His as you have desired. You are banking on good works to save you when you die and discover that Hell is real. Continue! Your believe will set you free if it can!
Till another thread if you can only converse reasonably!

Hmmm,
If i tell you that THIS WILL NEVER WORK AS YOU THINK, you may insult, abuse or label me as an Antichrist. That is why i kept my distance so that you can see for yourself that THIS WORK OF EVANGELIZING BELONGS TO JESUS, and unless you strictly follow his rules you'll always be disappointed!
The only people you can convince on social media discussion are those in need of material things, just post a thread titled 'MONEY MAKING MADE EASY' and tag your mobile number, at least you won't be able to sleep this night unless you switch of that number!
But to think normal humans will be interested in your faceless social media presentations 'when they're not in any troubles or hardship' i swear it won't work!
People need to SEE what they WANT in you before taking you serious in whatever you're going to say!
Majority of Jesus' contemporaries were dealing with lots and lots of problems and that is what motivated many of them to follow Jesus, but those that remained with him till the end were ONLY interested in spiritual nourishment NOT problematic individuals! John 6:60-69
Jehovah's Witnesses are individuals who are seeking righteousness NOT temporary solution to their problems by any spiritual means! So if what you're presenting is righteous and you're humble{Zephaniah 2:2-3} my people will RECOGNISE the VOICE of their master in your presentation as well as your manner of approach and join you! John 10:27
We're NOT like faithless people who can't explain what they believe, trust me there are still many Witnesses of Jehovah outside there but haven't discovered the truth, they're the reason behind our WORK and WHY our God is delaying of the destruction of all none Witnesses! Habakkuk 2:3, Romans 2:4, 2Peter 3:9
Thank you!

Barristter07:
Let me get you clearly
He wasn't a son before coming to earth ?

He is the word of God before entered creation as the Son of God.

TATIME:
You need to know the meaning and significance of SPECIAL NAMES given in the Bible as a means of attaining divine approval!
The name JESUS significantly stands for four motives
¤Counselling that's outstandingly effective! Counselor
¤Ability to do the impossible! Mighty God
¤Fatherly responsibility on children! Eternal Father
¤Peace permeating all worshipers! Prince of Peace
Isaiah 9:6
1~There must be effective counseling in their meetings to drop those who aren't willing to accept it behind for progress!
2~They must be able to do the impossibles like making all comply with Jesus' command for their salvation!
3~Their teachings must be evident in all the members so that all observers will know they have ONE principled FATHER!
4~There must be PEACE amongst worshiper to eradicate causes of hatred and wars like POLITICS and RACISM!
So if you find TWO,THREE or more people gathered in the name of Jesus, but they are not WORKING in line with this motives, please avoid their gathering[Psalms 1:1-2] Because their gathering is the handiwork of SATAN to mock Jesus' NAME! Matthew 7:21-23, 15:7-9, 2Timothy 3:5, Revelations 16:13-14

Now, is it only JWs that has these 4 qualities among different denominations all over the world?

Also, are you saying it's only POLITICS AND RACISM that generate hatred?

Maximus69:
We're all just acting on PERSONAL feelings to refute false allegations levelled against the one and only TRUE congregation of Christ.

When you people pressed and hook at the wall's edge, you change tune like well only God knows who is truly rendering true service.

At the other hand, you called people carrying Bible openly and claiming to be Born again Christian as people doing eyes service that no truer of God servant will be claiming such up and down!

But here you are today, turning yourself to God to have known that JWs are the "ONE AND ONLY TRUE CONGREGATION OF CHRIST" and even boasting about it always on social media.

When I said, JWs and hypocrisy are 5&6 some people will think otherwise.

Emusan:
Now, is it only JWs that has these 4 qualities among different denominations all over the world?

Also, are you saying it's only POLITICS AND RACISM that generate hatred?

Thanks for these thought provoking questions!
(1) I was a Muslim before studying the Bible with JWs, they presented their organization as the one and only religious group possessing those four qualities. But that's no big deal, you too can do well to present your own group so that everyone can observe those qualities in your group.
But i can never agree that Jesus as highly intelligent, powerful, orderly and efficacious as he is, can not ORGANISE his followers to form just one single group identifiable worldwide for everyone to SEE the required qualities in their assembly!
(2) NO! There are many factors that can cause hatred amongst people, but the only two that Satan is using to create enmity between inhabitants of one place and the other are RACISM and POLITICS, apart from this two you can like or hate someone due to his lifestyle but NOT an entire tribe where you don't even know many of them personally!
But with these two Satanic weapons, you can hate someone even though you've never seen him/her before! Just say he belongs to so and so political party and the hatred begins, or say he is from so and so tribe!
In the midst of TRUE worshipers, Jesus have destroyed such indomitable missiles! Isaiah 2:2-4, Micah 4:1-3

Emusan:
When you people pressed and hook at the wall's edge, you change tune like well only God knows who is truly rendering true service.

At the other hand, you called people carrying Bible openly and claiming to be Born again Christian as people doing eyes service that no truer of God servant will be claiming such up and down!

But here you are today, turning yourself to God to have known that JWs are the "ONE AND ONLY TRUE CONGREGATION OF CHRIST" and even boasting about it always on social media.

When I said, JWs and hypocrisy are 5&6 some people will think otherwise.

That is not a problem Sir!
I think it's just between shadeyinka and i, but you too can make the same claim and back it up with a critical, logical and constructive debate.
Jesus said he is the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the father except through him!
I can't expect anything short of that from his TRUE followers, i strongly believe that tone must always be in their statements after all Jesus said NOT all those calling me lord lord will be approved adding that many will be disapproved, he even said there will be blind guides leading many into destruction.
So if a group is saying 'we are the only group practicing what he taught' i will like to do my own investigation instead of agitating in support of my own group or other groups that i can't even vouch for!

Maximus69:
That is not a problem Sir!

It's not actually a problem but that's what is called hypocrisy!

I think it's just between shadeyinka and i, but you too can make the same claim and back it up with a critical, logical and constructive debate.

Now it's to back it up with critical, logical and constructive debate!

Jesus said he is the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the father except through him!

Then are you God to know those whose have access to the Father through Christ

I can't expect anything short of that from his TRUE followers, i strongly believe that tone must always be in their statements

Kindly list some groups this tone wasn't in their statement too

after all Jesus said NOT all those calling me lord lord will be approved adding that many will be disapproved, he even said there will be blind guides leading many into destruction.

He said many will said on "THAT DAY" are you now Jesus to have known this?

What if you group is the same blind guides leading many of you into this destruction

So if a group is saying 'we are the only group practicing what he taught' i will like to do my own investigation instead of agitating because of my own group or other groups that i can't vouch for!

No! You didn't didn't do shi.t investigation rather you quickly tag them eyes service people because they carry Bible OPENLY and say they are Born again Christian. Which they don't even shout up and down as you hypocrites do but will only ask you.

Emusan:
It's not actually a problem but that's what is called hypocrisy!
Now it's to back it up with critical, logical and constructive debate!
Then are you God to know those whose have access to the Father through Christ
Kindly list some groups this tone wasn't in their statement too
He said many will said on "THAT DAY" are you now Jesus to have known this?
What if you group is the same blind guides leading many of you into this destruction
No! You didn't didn't do shi.t investigation rather you quickly tag them eyes service people because they carry Bible OPENLY and say they are Born again Christian. Which they don't even shout up and down as you hypocrites do but will only ask you.

Sir, it's up to you to decide what you will do about the whole issue.
When Jesus said what was quoted at John 3:16, Nicodemus never started agitating in behalf of his group{Pharisees} instead he kept quiet and watch the outcome of Jesus' claim. For your information, Jesus' statement indicates that whoever wants to see God's favour{salvation} from any part of the earth must accept his teachings!
While Nicodemus, Joseph Arimatea and others from different nations were observing Jesus' words and agreed, majority of Bible carriers of his time were agitating in behalf of their various groups!
Please if you're truthful that this same tone is heard in other groups, then what is your headache as JWs are saying the same thing?
Well thanks anyway, i'm not ready to start arguing or trading words with you Sir, just say the same and allow observers to do their research. But know one thing: YOU CAN'T DICTATE WHAT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T SAY WHEN ALL THE OTHERS HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, EXPRESSION AND WORSHIP! Act 5:27-29

TATIME:
Thanks for these thought provoking questions!
(1) I was a Muslim before studying the Bible with JWs,

Who asked you story?

they presented their organization as the one and only religious group possessing those four qualities.

Now another boasting statement, are you God to have known this?

Yet their organization is full of lies and hypocrisy!

But that's no big deal, you too can do well to present your own group so that everyone can observe those qualities in your group.

I'm not here to present any group just like there were no group during early church...i will only tell you what scripture demanded from us:

"Consequently, my beloved ones, just as you have always obeyed, not only during my presence but now much more readily during my absence, keep working out your own salvation with fear and trembling." Phi 2:12 NWT

"KJV 2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."

But i can never agree that Jesus as highly intelligent, powerful, orderly and efficacious as he is, can not ORGANISE his followers to form just one single group identifiable worldwide for everyone to SEE the required qualities in their assembly!

So it's no more what scripture says but what your shallow brain feels.

Where was it written in the scripture that the body of Christ will be ONE GROUP?

(2) NO! There are many factors that can cause hatred amongst people, but the only two that Satan is using to create enmity between inhabitants of one place and the other are RACISM and POLITICS, apart from this two you can like or hate someone due to his lifestyle but NOT an entire tribe where you don't even know many of them personally!
But with these two Satanic weapons, you can hate someone even though you've never seen him/her before! Just say he belongs to so and so political party and the hatred begins, or say he is from so and so tribe!

All these just because your organization kicked against politics yet from scripture the most powerful tools Satan uses are to raise false teachers, persecutors against the body of Christ e.t.c but you just puff out something that wasn't established in the scripture just to massage your doctrinal ego.

In the midst of TRUE worshipers, Jesus have destroyed such indomitable missiles! Isaiah 2:2-4, Micah 4:1-3

Liars....after claiming to be the one doing the will of Christ yet you can lie against the same Christ by saying what He didn't say.

Even scripture says judgement will begin in His own house....

If Christ has actually destroyed such, why must judgement begin in the House that Christ has built by himself?

Are you still saying, is this same ONE TRUE GROUP that judgement of Christ will start from!

You people lack scriptural understanding but only quick to defend organization while dying spiritualy.

@ Emusan
Please Sir, instead of being furious about what a religious group is claiming, why not present your own group as well so that sincere observers can watch them closely!
I think there is much sense in what Tatime said regarding the presentation of your own group as well, unless if the group you're worshiping with has no virtuous repute in the society!

Emusan:
Who asked you story?
Now another boasting statement, are you God to have known this?
Yet their organization is full of lies and hypocrisy!
I'm not here to present any group just like there were no group during early church...i will only tell you what scripture demanded from us:
"Consequently, my beloved ones, just as you have always obeyed, not only during my presence but now much more readily during my absence, keep working out your own salvation with fear and trembling." Phi 2:12 NWT
"KJV 2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."
So it's no more what scripture says but what your shallow brain feels.
Where was it written in the scripture that the body of Christ will be ONE GROUP?
All these just because your organization kicked against politics yet from scripture the most powerful tools Satan uses are to raise false teachers, persecutors against the body of Christ e.t.c but you just puff out something that wasn't established in the scripture just to massage your doctrinal ego.
Liars....after claiming to be the one doing the will of Christ yet you can lie against the same Christ by saying what He didn't say.
Even scripture says judgement will begin in His own house....
If Christ has actually destroyed such, why must judgement begin in the House that Christ has built by himself?
Are you still saying, is this same ONE TRUE GROUP that judgement of Christ will start from!
You people lack scriptural understanding but only quick to defend organization while dying spiritualy.

Na wah o!
Come and see agitation for goodness sake.

Well you've just heard what over 8,000,000 people from all races throughout the globe believes and saying!

So your furious agitation, bitterness of heart and scriptural quotation WITHOUT any practical applications can't stop them from saying it both in words and actions.
Good night Sir!