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Emusan:
One funny thing about discussing with JWs is their outrightly lie and lack of scriptural understanding they always want to rub on your face.

"The pronouncement came as a result of Mary wondering" according to your lie yet Vs 32 clearly stated that "He shall be great, and shall be CALLED THE SON OF THE HIGHEST"

Even your NWT says "...And for that reason..." for what reason? Mary's wondering or because what God will do?

You didn't make any point different from what he said nah, The Angel only show that God is his Father .

Has God always been his Father or just on earth ?

Jozzy4:
That's exactly what am asking

So he was a son by identity before coming to earth ?

Read my reply to your brother above, I have addressed that!

Jozzy4:
You didn't make any point different from what he said nah, The Angel only show that God is his Father .

Has God always been his Father or just on earth ?

Read my reply to your brother above!

It means you didn't read previous posts but just jump in and started asking questions

Emusan:
Read my reply to your brother above, I have addressed that!

Nope , answer me.

Trinitarians maintain Jesus exist as God the son before his birth

Why is he a Son by identity ?

Jozzy4:
Nope , answer me.

Trinitarians maintain Jesus exist as God the son before his birth

Why is he a Son by identity ?

I have also told you that what they mean is that the identity of what the Son is before being part of creation.

Are you saying you haven't hard Trinitarians saying Jesus is the Word of God?

Emusan:
I have also told you that what they mean is that the identity of what the Son is before being part of creation.

Are you saying you haven't hard Trinitarians saying Jesus is the Word of God?

They also say God the son exist before creation , didn't they ?

Why God the Son ?

Jozzy4:
They also say God the son exist before creation , didn't they ?

Why God the Son ?

Shadeyinka who thought he had something tangible to offer have retired to go and join his born again fellas for doctrinal arguments. This Emusan of a person just like been heady over nothing!
I told him JWs can prove what we believe with practical applications, he was crying like a baby that we shouldn't say only JWs are true worshipers.
Ok i showed him the post of a deeperlife who said 'all none deeperlife members are going to hell' Emusan who is not a deeperlife member is still arguing to cover it!
So it's obvious he just feels bitter seeing JWs and great agony hearing the TRUTH!

Jozzy4:
Thank you bro _ another thing is :

How can Jesus say no one knows the Father except the son , if his sonship only exist on earth ? He is clearly speaking of a close Father - Son relationship that exist before the world of human

Good point Joe

Emusan is feeding on the heresy of Adam Clarke , watch Adam Clarke as he.struggle to explain Proverb 30:4 in his commentary, he even said maybe Jesus is the son talked about truly and quickly deny it again. All because he doesn't want to admit Jesus has always been a son of God.

I like your questions to him, it's either he denies the Trinity exist before Christ birth or admit Christ is a son

Jozzy4:
They also say God the son exist before creation , didn't they ?

Why God the Son ?

@Jozzy4 and @emusan

What's your take on these verses? Does it in anyway resolve what you've been talking about?

Psalms 110 v 1-4;

1 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

2 The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

4 The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

OkCornel:
@Jozzy4 and @emusan

What's your take on these verses? Does it in anyway resolve what you've been talking about?

Psalms 110 v 1-4;

1 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

2 The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

4 The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

No this doesn't address it as both issues are different.

We are talking about the Son of God in His preexistence as Human

Jozzy4:
They also say God the son exist before creation , didn't they ?

Why God the Son ?

They also said Jesus exists before creation...

Why Jesus

Emusan:
Your lack of simple comprehension always makes you comment quickly and it only exposes your stupidity.

Make una come and see painment !
Edionwan wey dey do like sey he dey read Bible yet he no know say angels dey perfect and get freedom to chose to obey God or follow Satan..., na wetin him be?
Lying Pharisee !

OkCornel:
@Jozzy4 and @emusan

What's your take on these verses? Does it in anyway resolve what you've been talking about?

Psalms 110 v 1-4;

1 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

2 The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

4 The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

"(Psalm of David) Jehovah said unto my Lord," Sit at my right hand, until I put thine enemies as footstool of thy feet" Psalms 110:1, Darby Bible.

https://biblehub.com/nasb/psalms/110-1.htm
* Commentary

"Barnes Notes on the Bible" quoted there in was simply excellent !
Apostle Paul's 1Cor15:24-27 reference to Psalms 110:1 dealt a devastating blow to the Trinity scam.

Janosky:
"(Psalm of David) Jehovah said unto my Lord," Sit at my right hand, until I put thine enemies as footstool of thy feet" Psalms 110:1, Darby Bible.

https://biblehub.com/nasb/psalms/110-1.htm
* Commentary

"Barnes Notes on the Bible" quoted there in was simply excellent !
Apostle Paul's 1Cor15:24-27 reference to Psalms 110:1 dealt a devastating blow to the Trinity scam.

By the Trinity scam, are you referring to the son and the Father as of equal rank?

I'm not really clear on the trinity scam. Kindly explain. Thanks

Oh, but the last i read here. These guys said they were going, they don't argue, bla bla bla? Only for me to return and see pages. Na wa oh.

Image123:
Oh, but the last i read here. These guys said they were going, they don't argue, bla bla bla? Only for me to return and see pages. Na wa oh.

Just like you cant change birds flying over your head, so you can't change people going about arguing, but you can stop them, building nests in or on your head, with their blah, blah, blah de blah, de blah blah arguments though

MuttleyLaff:
Just like you cant change birds flying over your head, so you can't change people going about arguing, but you can stop them, building nests in or on your head, with their blah, blah, blah de blah, de blah blah arguments though

MuttleyLaff, you fine me come here? No let them tie person down like thief for hia oh. Lol

Image123:
MuttleyLaff, you fine me come here? No let them tie person down like thief for hia oh. Lol

Turn off your rear lights and head lamps so I dont see you then ¯\_㋡_/¯

MuttleyLaff:
Turn off your rear and head lights so I dont see you then ¯\_㋡_/¯

Lol

Image123:
Oh, but the last i read here. These guys said they were going, they don't argue, bla bla bla? Only for me to return and see pages. Na wa oh.

Of course Maximus refused to argue!
And that's our ministry for you. We're to make simple presentations before STRANGERS and if our presentation didn't sound appealing to the listener we must take our leave.
That is what Maximus{a new convert} is saying, but when you're not seeing the face of the one questioning you and such an inquisitor is insisting you should make a response then some of our brothers will feel like showing the one asking that WE KNOW HOW TO ANSWER EACH PERSON whether visible or faceless social media inquisitors like you!

TATIME:
Of course Maximus refused to argue!
And that's our ministry for you. We're to make simple presentations before STRANGERS and if our presentation didn't sound appealing to the listener we must take our leave.
That is what Maximus{a new convert} is saying, but when you're not seeing the face of the one questioning you and such an inquisitor is insisting you should make a response then some of our brothers will feel like showing the one asking that WE KNOW HOW TO ANSWER EACH PERSON whether visible or faceless social media inquisitors like you!

You're not arguing yet this thread has entered 32pages what if you people want to argue?

Besides, the useless excuse of not arguing will come when you people are in tight Conner and your devilish doctrines are exposed but immediately one of you come, raises another issue which is different from subject matter, the rest of you found your barking voice again.

Your brother will spam my mention when I even try to ignore him....and you can still say you don't argue. Well I know hypocrisy and JWs are like 5&6

Emusan:
You're not arguing yet this thread has entered 32pages what if you people want to argue?

Besides, the useless excuse of not arguing will come when you people are in tight Conner and your devilish doctrines are exposed but immediately one of you come, raises another issue which is different from subject matter, the rest of you found your barking voice again.

Your brother will spam my mention when I even try to ignore him....and you can still say you don't argue. Well I know hypocrisy and JWs are like 5&6

You're blessed Sir!

TATIME:
You're blessed Sir!

garbage man false jw tatime
of course you don't truly believe emusan is blessed
but just like your your hyprocisy is at 5&6
you cannot stop lying for any reason

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

johnw47:
garbage man false jw tatime
of course you don't truly believe emusan is blessed
but just like your your hyprocisy is at 5&6
you cannot stop lying for any reason

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

You're blessed Sir!

Barristter07:
Is English now hard for you solite3 ,

God is Spirit means God is Spirit Being

Just as Solite is human meansSolite is an human being
Check the meaning of being and get sense

Fact remains those born of spirit is Spirit.

But since they are presently human being, that points to a future ressurectipn as Spirit

Scripture explains " it is down a physical body, it is raised a spiritual body

what is physical [been human] comes first before a person becomes a spirit being - 1 Corinthians 15:46

my question is did Jesus say that he that is born of the spirit will be a spirit being?
in 1 corinthian 15 was it referring to the human body or to the whole human?
was Jesus speaking of the human body in John 3

Do you Now see Jesus is speaking of future ?

How is Jesus speaking of the future?

Exactly, its called NEW BIRTH . read your bible
What God Create , he gives birth to. Scripture says God gives Birth to the earth, solve it. - Psalm 90:2

So when God create mountain according to your logic since God is spirit then mountain must be a spirit being too right?

TATIME:
You're blessed Sir!

garbage man false jw tatime
 
Psa 62:3  How long will ye imagine mischief against a man? ye shall be slain all of you: as a bowing wall shall ye be, and as a tottering fence. 
Psa 62:4  They only consult to cast him down from his excellency: they delight in lies: they bless with their mouth, but they curse inwardly. Selah. 

^ more speaking about false jw's

solite3:
my question is did Jesus say that he that is born of the spirit will be a spirit being?

Check the meaning of Being , and receive enlightenment Solite3

in 1 corinthian 15 was it referring to the human body or to the whole human?
was Jesus speaking of the human body in John 3

What the flesh born is flesh, is that not human body ?

How is Jesus speaking of the future?

Are you a spirit being now ?

So when God create mountain according to your logic since God is spirit then mountain must be a spirit being too right?

Emphasis on " New birth " .

Emusan:
Read my reply to your brother above!

It means you didn't read previous posts but just jump in and started asking questions

The question is simple: Has God always been his Father or only became his Father when he was conceived ?

Emusan:
The @color says alot about the spirit in you!

Face the issue.


God sent his son

After which came the statement " born of a woman "

Isn't that clear enough ? Galatian 4;4

Am asking: Was God his Father before human birth or only when he was born?

Barristter07:
Face the issue.


God sent his son

After which came the statement " born of a woman "

Isn't that clear enough ? Galatian 4;4

Am asking: Was God his Father before human birth or only when he was born?

If Jesus has been the son from beginning, why did the Angel say the child SHALL BE CALLED the Son of God? again?

And I also asked you, show me where it is written that the Son became flesh...but you can see where it's boldly written in John 1:14 that "THE WORD BECAME FLESH"

EOD

Barristter07:
The question is simple: Has God always been his Father or only became his Father when he was conceived ?

The incarnation of the Word begins to have a Father immediately He became part of creation.