Atheism is defined by atheists as the lack of belief in God/gods. This definition is wrong, but let's assume that its correct for the sake of the message I want to pass in this writeup. So, atheists explain that lack of belief in deities is attributed to a supposed lack of evidence for the existence of deities. And they are rational human beings for not believing in deities yadi yadi yada.

Do you realize that atheists have beliefs in things that have no evidence or subscribe to positions that have no evidence that proves they are true. Positions like materialism (nothing exists except matter), naturalism (everything that exists arises from natural properties and causes *this position is self refuting*), positivism (another self-refuting position lol), skepticism (yet another position that is self refuting... Oh dear... This is getting embarrassing ) the list is endless.


Some believe that aliens exist (without any evidence), other minds apart from theirs exist (without a sound philosophical argument to support this notion). Some subscribe to nihilism (without evidence to prove that life is meaningless, that there is no transcendent reality and death is the ultimate end) etc


This is juicy part, pay close attention. If they can subscribe to belief systems or take philosophical positions that are self refuting, not proven to be true, and are comfortable doing so, why don't they extend this to God Why do they lose their minds when it comes to believing in God? Why are they so uncomfortable with the belief in God but not with naturalism which logically refutes itself or with materialism which is ancient and ridiculous? Stephen Hawkins, an atheist and like some other atheists believe aliens exist, and would even subjugate mankind and destroy our civilisation if they ever find us. But there isnt evidence that such intelligent extraterrestrial living beings exist. And he claimed he had good reasons to believe they exist. Oh wait, don't theists have and have presented good reasons why God exists? What are we missing here? You are smart and super smart for lacking belief in God but obdurately take positions that are self-refuting, irrational and unproven. Take your time, if you have to, to cachinnate at the glaring contradiction.

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheism is defined by atheists as the lack of belief in God/gods. This definition is wrong, but let's assume that its correct for the sake of the message I want to pass in this writeup. So, atheists explain that lack of belief in deities is attributed to a supposed lack of evidence for the existence of deities. And they are rational human beings for not believing in deities yadi yadi yada.

Do you realize that atheists have beliefs in things that have no evidence or subscribe to positions that have no evidence that proves they are true. Positions like materialism (nothing exists except matter), naturalism (everything that exists arises from natural properties and causes *this position is self refuting*), positivism (another self-refuting position lol), skepticism (yet another position that is self refuting... Oh dear... This is getting embarrassing ) the list is endless.


Some believe that aliens exist (without any evidence), other minds apart from theirs exist (without a sound philosophical argument to support this notion). Some subscribe to nihilism (without evidence to prove that life is meaningless, that there is no transcendent reality and death is the ultimate end) etc


This is juicy part, pay close attention. If they can subscribe to belief systems or take philosophical positions that are self refuting, not proven to be true, and are comfortable doing so, why don't they extend this to God Why do they lose their minds when it comes to believing in God? Why are they so uncomfortable with the belief in God but not with naturalism which logically refutes itself or with materialism which is ancient and ridiculous? Stephen Hawkins, an atheist and like every other atheist believe aliens exist, and would even subjugate mankind and destroy our civilisation if they ever find us. But there isnt evidence that such intelligent extraterrestrial living beings exist. And he claimed he had good reasons to believe they exist. Oh wait, don't theists have and have presented good reasons why God exists? What, are we missing here? You are smart and super smart for lacking belief in God but obdurately take positions that are self refuting, irrational and unproven. Take your time, if you have to, to cachinnate at the glaring contradiction.

Resurrection! Resurrection!! Resurrection!!! KingEbukasblog is back. Wow.

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheism is defined by atheists as the lack of belief in God/gods. This definition is wrong, but let's assume that its correct for the sake of the message I want to pass in this writeup. So, atheists explain that lack of belief in deities is attributed to a supposed lack of evidence for the existence of deities. And they are rational human beings for not believing in deities yadi yadi yada.

Do you realize that atheists have beliefs in things that have no evidence or subscribe to positions that have no evidence that proves they are true. Positions like materialism (nothing exists except matter), naturalism (everything that exists arises from natural properties and causes *this position is self refuting*), positivism (another self-refuting position lol), skepticism (yet another position that is self refuting... Oh dear... This is getting embarrassing ) the list is endless.


Some believe that aliens exist (without any evidence), other minds apart from theirs exist (without a sound philosophical argument to support this notion). Some subscribe to nihilism (without evidence to prove that life is meaningless, that there is no transcendent reality and death is the ultimate end) etc


This is juicy part, pay close attention. If they can subscribe to belief systems or take philosophical positions that are self refuting, not proven to be true, and are comfortable doing so, why don't they extend this to God Why do they lose their minds when it comes to believing in God? Why are they so uncomfortable with the belief in God but not with naturalism which logically refutes itself or with materialism which is ancient and ridiculous? Stephen Hawkins, an atheist and like every other atheist believe aliens exist, and would even subjugate mankind and destroy ou it's r civilisation if they ever find us. But there isnt evidence that such intelligent extraterrestrial living beings exist. And he claimed he had good reasons to believe they exist. Oh wait, don't theists have and have presented good reasons why God exists? What, are we missing here? You are smart and super smart for lacking belief in God but obdurately take positions that are self refuting, irrational and unproven. Take your time, if you have to, to cachinnate at the glaring contradiction.

It will say it's because they wish to get away with their sin and not stand Judgement before God. But, alas, dats nat gonna happen

Shepherd00:

Resurrection! Resurrection!! Resurrection!!! KingEbukasblog is back. Wow.

Lol. I just dropped by to say hi

Shepherd00:

It will say it's because they wish to get away with their sin and not stand Judgement before God. But, alas, dats nat gonna happen

True. They understand the implications of denying God's existence and they are afraid of that reality. To deal with the fear and soothe themselves and express their intellectual superiority , they take positions to fill the gap left by their lack of belief that are self-refuting and irrational. Brilliant move!

KingEbukasBlog:

Lol. I just dropped by to say hi

Hi King.

KingEbukasBlog:


True. They understand the implications of denying God's existence and they are afraid of that reality. To deal with the fear and soothe themselves and express their intellectual superiority , they take positions to fill the gap left by their lack of belief that are self-refuting and irrational. Brilliant move!

Yes sir. That is correct.

Shepherd00:

Hi King.

Good work you doing. Well done

KingEbukasBlog:


True. They understand the implications of denying God's existence and they are afraid of that reality. To deal with the fear and soothe themselves and express their intellectual superiority , they take positions to fill the gap left by their lack of belief that are self-refuting and irrational. Brilliant move!

no the truth is that you guys don’t want to accept the fact that there is nothing after this life. You just want to stick to your god as a coping mechanism.

hakeem4:
no the truth is that you guys don’t want to accept the fact that there is nothing after this life. You just want to stick to your god as a coping mechanism.

Immortality of the soul is arguable. The argument, if the soul continues its existence after death or no, has its foundation in theism. A deist could believe the soul is not immortal and perishes with the body after death. Epicureans who were ancient materialists believed the soul which is made up of fine bundles of atoms ends its existence with the body at physical death.

Neoplatonists who are theists believe the soul reincarnates but loses the memories of its previous life. St Aquinas believed that we have a spiritual desire to pursue supreme goodness but this isn't available to us since imperfect Nature cant provide this, supreme goodness can be found in God when we unite with him - this makes the afterlife a necessity.

If you have any good argument or evidence to support your ***belief*** that nothing exists after this life (no afterlife exists) then you can provide it let's scrutinise it

What a boat load of strawman arguments but the central one is that all the things you choose to hang around the atheist neck determine how true the atheist position is. That is if all those positions prove to be incorrect then somehow atheism is as well. Well, I have good news for you, those positions do nothing to affect the validity of the atheist position so you can now retire that strawman safely.

The one thing that will sort us out is for you lot to provide unassailable evidence for your god, I think it is quite a simple proposition. No dogmas, no tenets, no emotional blackmails or threats, just provide us with verifiable evidence for your god and shut us up forever.

LordReed:
What a boat load of strawman arguments but the central one is that all the things you choose to hang around the atheist neck determine how true the atheist position is. That is if all those positions prove to be incorrect then somehow atheism is as well. Well, I have good news for you, those positions do nothing to affect the validity of the atheist position so you can now retire that strawman safely.

The one thing that will sort us out is for you lot to provide unassailable evidence for your god, I think it is quite a simple proposition. No dogmas, no tenets, no emotional blackmails or threats, just provide us with verifiable evidence for your god and shut us up forever.

I don't think you understood the message.

KingEbukasBlog:


I don't think you understood the message.

Enlighten me.

KingEbukasBlog:

Good work you doing. Well done

Thanks your Highness.

LordReed:


Enlighten me.

First, do you have knowledge and understanding of those positions I mentioned and why atheists subscribe to them?

First of all soul is a religious construct. There is no scientific evidence for it. The answer is we do not know what happens when we die. If you notice the afterlife myth was created so that those who lost their loved ones can reunite
My question is why should there be life after death if there was no life before birth ?

KingEbukasBlog:


Immortality of the soul is arguable. The argument, if the soul continues its existence after death or no, has its foundation in theism. A deist could believe the soul is not immortal and perishes with the body after death. Epicureans who were ancient materialists believed the soul which is made up of fine bundles of atoms ends its existence with the body at physical death.

Neoplatonists who are theists believe the soul reincarnates but loses the memories of its previous life. St Aquinas believed that we have a spiritual desire to pursue supreme goodness but this isn't available to us since imperfect Nature cant provide this, supreme goodness can be found in God when we unite with him - this makes the afterlife a necessity.

If you have any good argument or evidence to support your ***belief*** that nothing exists after this life (no afterlife exists) then you can provide it let's scrutinise it

KingEbukasBlog:


First, do you have knowledge and understanding of those positions I mentioned and why atheists subscribe to them?

Yes

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheism is defined by atheists as the lack of belief in God/gods. This definition is wrong

Its the widely accepted definition and for good reason but OK.

What is your definition, pray tell?

Do you realize that atheists have beliefs in things that have no evidence or subscribe to positions that have no evidence that proves they are true. Positions like materialism (nothing exists except matter), naturalism (everything that exists arises from natural properties and causes *this position is self refuting*), positivism (another self-refuting position lol), skepticism (yet another position that is self refuting... Oh dear... This is getting embarrassing ) the list is endless.

LOL. This is just a massive strawman.

Atheism itself has nothing more or less to do than with the lack of belief in gods. Of course it is compatible with materialism and all the philisophies you listed. Being an atheist is its own thing.

This is juicy part, pay close attention. If they can subscribe to belief systems or take philosophical positions that are self refuting, not proven to be true, and are comfortable doing so, why don't they extend this to God

OK. Pause.

First of all you are committing the fallacies of strawmanning & generalization for thinking ALL atheists share these beliefs

Secondly, its glaringly obvious you know little about atheism.

You'll probably need
this before you can take your argument any further

hakeem4:
First of all soul is a religious construct. There is no scientific evidence for it. The answer is we do not know what happens when we die. If you notice the afterlife myth was created so that those who lost their loved ones can reunite
My question is why should there be life after death if there was no life before birth ?

You are contradicting yourself. There is no afterlife like you previously claimed or that you don't know for sure

IAmSabrina:

Its the widely accepted definition and for good reason but OK.

What is your definition, pray tell?


LOL. This is just a massive strawman.

Atheism itself has nothing more or less to do than with the lack of belief in gods. Of course it is compatible with materialism and all the philisophies you listed. Being an atheist is its own thing.I


OK. Pause.

First of all you are committing the fallacies of strawmanning & generalization for thinking ALL atheists share these beliefs

Secondly, its glaringly obvious you know little about atheism.

You'll probably need
this before you can take your argument any further

I think you should read the topic and my post again to properly grasp the message being passed here.

LordReed:
What a boat load of strawman arguments but the central one is that all the things you choose to hang around the atheist neck determine how true the atheist position is. That is if all those positions prove to be incorrect then somehow atheism is as well. Well, I have good news for you, those positions do nothing to affect the validity of the atheist position so you can now retire that strawman safely.

The one thing that will sort us out is for you lot to provide unassailable evidence for your god, I think it is quite a simple proposition. No dogmas, no tenets, no emotional blackmails or threats, just provide us with verifiable evidence for your god and shut us up forever.

KingEbukasBlog:


I don't think you understood the message.

IAmSabrina:

Its the widely accepted definition and for good reason but OK.

What is your definition, pray tell?


LOL. This is just a massive strawman.

Atheism itself has nothing more or less to do than with the lack of belief in gods. Of course it is compatible with materialism and all the philisophies you listed. Being an atheist is its own thing.


OK. Pause.

First of all you are committing the fallacies of strawmanning & generalization for thinking ALL atheists share these beliefs

Secondly, its glaringly obvious you know little about atheism.

You'll probably need
this before you can take your argument any further

KingEbukasBlog:


I think you should read the topic and my post again to properly grasp the message being passed here.

SMH, KingEbukasBlog. No one's going back to read your OP. It's your duty to lay a good foundation in your OP so that we can all follow properly from there.

Till then, i still stand by my earlier response

LordReed:


Yes

Do you know positions such as, naturalism, skepticism, logical positivism which many atheists subscribe to are not only not supported by evidence but are self-refuting?

KingEbukasBlog:


Do you know positions such as, naturalism, skepticism, logical positivism which many atheists subscribe to are not only not supported by evidence but are self-refuting?

No they are not but even if they are so what?

IAmSabrina:







SMH, KingEbukasBlog. No one's going back to read your OP. It's your duty to lay a good foundation in your OP so that we can all follow properly from there.

Till then, i still stand by my earlier response

The point is clear : atheists subscribing to the positions which are self refuting, irrational and not supported by evidence contradicts their take on theism and God's existence.

Here's a simple dialogue to illustrate my point

Atheist : I'm a rational person, I lack the belief in God because there is no evidence

Me : really? But you subscribe to positions like naturalism, skepticism, logical positivism that are self-refuting and not supported by evidence.

Atheist : Errrmm

Me : I understand you also think aliens exist

Atheist : yeah, I do

Me : so where is the evidence that such exist?

Atheist : there is none actually

Me : so you lack belief in God because, supposedly, there isn't evidence to support that belief... But you think aliens exist without any evidence and you subscribe to positions that are self refuting and not supported by evidence??

Atheist : lol yeeaaahhh

Me : so I shouldn't take you seriously then because of the contradictory propositional attitude

Atheist : I'm really sorry for disturbing your peace. I'm clearly irrational

LordReed:


No they are not but even if they are so what?

Lol. They are indeed

So what? That's why I wrote the post. You clearly didn't understand the message. Read it again... And again... Till you finally understand it!

hakeem4:
First of all soul is a religious construct. There is no scientific evidence for it.

It's philosophical to some extent.

There is no scientific evidence for numbers and mathematical laws but you still accept them as true and evident.

Science studies nature. End of story. And that's why it's so limited.

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheism is defined by atheists as the lack of belief in God/gods. This definition is wrong, but let's assume that its correct for the sake of the message I want to pass in this writeup. So, atheists explain that lack of belief in deities is attributed to a supposed lack of evidence for the existence of deities. And they are rational human beings for not believing in deities yadi yadi yada.

Do you realize that atheists have beliefs in things that have no evidence or subscribe to positions that have no evidence that proves they are true. Positions like materialism (nothing exists except matter), naturalism (everything that exists arises from natural properties and causes *this position is self refuting*), positivism (another self-refuting position lol), skepticism (yet another position that is self refuting... Oh dear... This is getting embarrassing ) the list is endless.


Some believe that aliens exist (without any evidence), other minds apart from theirs exist (without a sound philosophical argument to support this notion). Some subscribe to nihilism (without evidence to prove that life is meaningless, that there is no transcendent reality and death is the ultimate end) etc


This is juicy part, pay close attention. If they can subscribe to belief systems or take philosophical positions that are self refuting, not proven to be true, and are comfortable doing so, why don't they extend this to God Why do they lose their minds when it comes to believing in God? Why are they so uncomfortable with the belief in God but not with naturalism which logically refutes itself or with materialism which is ancient and ridiculous? Stephen Hawkins, an atheist and like every other atheist believe aliens exist, and would even subjugate mankind and destroy our civilisation if they ever find us. But there isnt evidence that such intelligent extraterrestrial living beings exist. And he claimed he had good reasons to believe they exist. Oh wait, don't theists have and have presented good reasons why God exists? What are we missing here? You are smart and super smart for lacking belief in God but obdurately take positions that are self-refuting, irrational and unproven. Take your time, if you have to, to cachinnate at the glaring contradiction.

I think that you're exactly right. I have spent some time answering atheists and listening to atheism, and my verdict is that there is no real objection that atheists have to theism, and certainly none at all to Christ.

However, free will is the most powerful thing in the Universe. God made it so. This is precisely what makes God say to creatures that He made ex nihilo that they are gods. That is pretty serious. It is also why a human being can look at all existence around him and pretend that they see absolutely nothing. That is what free will makes possible.

For this reason, I don't think it is worth the energy and time to try to reason with atheists. I am happy to answer their questions where it is worth it to answer them, and to correct their misconceptions about the Bible where it is useful for other readers. Otherwise, I am not interested in or concerned with their objections, since they are nothing more than insane excuses.

KingEbukasBlog:


Lol. They are indeed

So what? That's why I wrote the post. You clearly didn't understand the message. Read it again... And again... Till you finally understand it!

The topic of this thread puts a lie to this. One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously because their arguments are based on self refuting positions is your implication. And when it is pointed out to you again and again your error, you hide under the pretext that that is not what you mean. You ain't fooling us you know.

KingEbukasBlog:


Lol. I just dropped by to say hi

lol. indeed you are welcome bro. good to know you are alright.

LordReed:


The topic of this thread puts a lie to this. One Good Reason Why You Shouldn't Take Atheists Seriously because their arguments are based on self refuting positions is your implication. And when it is pointed out to you again and again your error, you hide under the pretext that that is not what you mean. You ain't fooling us you know.

Again, you don't understand the point as the emboldened text shows. Read my latest response to IamSabrina. If you can't comprehend that too, then there is nothing else I can do man tbh

malvisguy212:
lol. indeed you are welcome bro. good to know you are alright.

Thanks bro. Thank God for everything. What about you, I hope everything is fine?

Ihedinobi3:

I think that you're exactly right. I have spent some time answering atheists and listening to atheism, and my verdict is that there is no real objection that atheists have to theism, and certainly none at all to Christ.

However, free will is the most powerful thing in the Universe. God made it so. This is precisely what makes God say to creatures that He made ex nihilo that they are gods. That is pretty serious. It is also why a human being can look at all existence around him and pretend that they see absolutely nothing. That is what free will makes possible.

For this reason, I don't think it is worth the energy and time to try to reason with atheists. I am happy to answer their questions where it is worth it to answer them, and to correct their misconceptions about the Bible where it is useful for other readers. Otherwise, I am not interested in or concerned with their objections, since they are nothing more than insane excuses.

Exactly!